I hate people. Here's why!

[|RK|]

Nobody is trolling this thread, and people are having a healthy discussion.
God, the worst thing in all humanity is to call people trolls as soon as they even suggest something slightly outside the realms of standard superficial western codes of morality.

Maybe it was just the timing of your post and you were referring to the earlier escapades, but still...

Whenever you bring humanity's infinite good into question, you get called a troll, and a deadbeat world hating nihilist, rather than a ****ing REALIST.

And I wasn't referring to you. I was reffering to the earlier people spamming up this thread, like demonictoonlink, etc.

And I don't think that calling that into question makes you a troll :/ it IS realism.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Regardless of the circumstance, in order for one to willingly give time, effort, money, or what have you to another person or organization, there HAS to be something gained from the process. A student may do community service projects for a club or activity that goes onto their college transcript; a new potential tenant could get help moving his things into his new boarding from the landlord or another fellow tenant in exchange for a future favor.



Is self-gratification not gained from doing this "noble deed"? Regardless of how pious one's intentions are, there is some sort of reward system in place.

This was the main arguement that was brought up by the people who supported the idea that selflessness is an ideal more than anything in my Ethics class (which was 3 of us out of 25 people). As you said, there's always an award system in place even if it's merely feeling "good" for doing the "right" thing or gaining the approval of others even if it's on a subconcious level. This is perfectly natural though because society conditions us to do things in such a way until, for some people, it simply becomes second nature.

@ RK Joker:

You don't care, you feel bad for him; there's an enormous difference. If you legitimately cared, you'd probably would have already PM'd him asking about his address so that you could send him a check in the mail. Really, don't say that you completely care merely because you sympathize with him. Regardless, you're not at fault if you feel bad because, again, it's human nature. Unless you know him in real life or genuinely plan to help alleviate his problem than you don't truly care. People have a hard time differeciating between caring and sympathizing but it's perfectly understandable since the two are mashed together so often.

 

[Teran]

Bu-bu-but it's different; therefore it's bad! Shun the nontraditional thinkers! Shuuuuun.

Iknorite?
Because only the standard view is correct. Just like the standard view of the 1700s that all blacks should be called ******s and made to harvest cotton all day.

And I wasn't referring to you. I was reffering to the earlier people spamming up this thread, like demonictoonlink, etc.

And I don't think that calling that into question makes you a troll :/ it IS realism.

Oh I see. Don't be so vague in future. >.<

 

[Falconv1.0]

Iknorite?
Because only the standard view is correct. Just like the standard view of the 1700s that all blacks should be called ******s and made to harvest cotton all day.

Wait are you saying that we aren't supposed to-

**** I have a lot of people to apologize to.

 

[|RK|]

@ RK Joker:

You don't care, you feel bad for him; there's an enormous difference. If you legitimately cared, you'd probably would have already PM'd him asking about his address so that you could send him a check in the mail. Really, don't say that you completely care merely because you sympathize with him. Regardless, you're not at fault if you feel bad because, again, it's human nature. Unless you know him in real life or genuinely plan to help alleviate his problem than you don't truly care. People have a hard time differeciating between caring and sympathizing but it's perfectly understandable since the two are mashed together so often.

Ah.

But one other thing... I don't have money :/

I think that life would probably be better w/out emotions. Really.

But I understand what you're saying there...

 

[Falconv1.0]

I think that life would probably be better w/out emotions. Really.

Oh hell ****ing yeah it is.

Nihilism for the wiiiiiiiiiin.

 

[Teran]

I think that life would probably be better w/out emotions. Really.

You've seen Equilibrium right?
Ok so it's not the epitome of philosophy but it makes a decent point.

Yeah, society would probably run in perfect order without emotion.
Still, emotions are an integral part of human nature, and getting rid of them would be to get rid of a large part of what makes us human.

 

[Falconv1.0]

BTW, when I say I live without emotions, they still affect me, I'm still a human, but I try really ****ing hard to live without them clouding my judgment. Even sociopaths have emotions, they just happen to be really ****ing crazy.

 

[SuSa]

You've seen Equilibrium right?
Ok so it's not the epitome of philosophy but it makes a decent point.

Yeah, society would probably run in perfect order without emotion.
Still, emotions are an integral part of human nature, and getting rid of them would be to get rid of a large part of what makes us human.

Have you read The Giver? It's not exactly emotionless but it draws pretty close to it I feel. Or I just get that feeling since there is supposed to be no visible color by the humans in the book and I link emotions with color.

 

[Insetick]

Instead of contemplating the idea of getting rid of emotions (or even just suppressing them), what if everyone could receive a better education? Emotions will never change, but intelligence can.
People may still sue each other for s***, but wouldn't the court be more fair in deciding on fines and such? I think smarter people are generally better at reasoning.

I hope the court will be lenient to Serris' parents. They made a mistake and obviously have to be punished. However, $17,000 is ridiculous.

 

[SuSa]

If smarter people were better at reasoning, America wouldn't have had Bush as president.

Welcome to America. Where most of society are dumb****s.

 

[Teran]

Instead of contemplating the idea of getting rid of emotions (or even just suppressing them), what if everyone could receive a better education? Emotions will never change, but intelligence can.
People may still sue each other for s***, but wouldn't the court be more fair in deciding on fines and such? I think smarter people are generally better at reasoning.

Yeah, better education is needed period.
Still, you can't necessarily say that will solve any problems related with human emotions.

Intelligent people are actually more corrosive and dangerous than unintelligent people.

Having a full comprehension of what you're actually doing, meticulously planning it, and pulling it off flawlessy can be disastrous when it applies to certain situations.

Also, emotions override clear thinking more often than not with most people.

 

[SuSa]

Teran, I love you.

As the great Caesar once said: (In Julius (or whatever I'm tired) Caesar written by whatshisface (Shakespeare)

"I do not like that Cassius, he has a mean and hungry look about him. I would rather be surrounded by many bald and content men."

Meaning:
Witty person bad; old, fat, happy people good.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If smarter people were better at reasoning, America wouldn't have had Bush as president.

Welcome to America. Where most of society are dumb****s.

From my travels, I've come to realise that Americans actually are not that different from the rest of the world, it's just that, for God knows what reason, our stupid people are more often put in the spotlight. It's weird, my country takes pride in their stupid people.

 

[Teran]

I love you too Susa.
That quote is also win.

 

[Insetick]

I see what you're getting at. It's like a function argument with ethics: something is good only when used FOR good.

First, I'll say that emotions are human nature. It's a biological response and you can NOT get rid of it. This applies also to greed and selfishness. I think what I was trying to get at (maybe you as well) is that people should be good and moral.

I believe that good reasoning (the result of a good education) is a quality in ethical people. Bush made major mistakes b/c he had poor reasoning skills. Thus, I don't think he is intelligent and he must not have received a good education. A person with good reasoning would be able to see that selfishness and greed will not lead to a happy life. The people suing Serris probably have few to no friends b/c they are selfish and dirty people. A life without friends is definitely not a happy life.

Edit: My take on Caesar: Caesar had poor reasoning b/c his actions led to his own death. Cassius had poor reasoning as well because of the same reasons. A person with good reasoning makes good decisions. He would live contently and die a natural death.

 

[Noobicidal]

The people suing Serris probably have few to no friends b/c they are selfish and dirty people. A life without friends is definitely not a happy life.

That pretty much discredited everything you said/will say. The ex-tenants are suing thanks to a technicality on the father's part. The ex-tenants are understandably upset about losing seven grand. Suing the owners can give them the chance at $17,000, which is in fact, a larger number than $7,000. Here, I'll simplify it.

Previous value - 7000 + 17000 = Previous value + 10000.

 

[Insetick]

That pretty much discredited everything you said/will say. The ex-tenants are suing thanks to a technicality on the father's part. The ex-tenants are understandably upset about losing seven grand. Suing the owners can give them the chance at $17,000, which is in fact, a larger number than $7,000. Here, I'll simplify it.

Previous value - 7000 + 17000 = Previous value + 10000.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Of course they're upset over the $7000, but wasn't that over the property damage and 7 months rent? I think $7000 is justified.

I'm not stupid, btw, I can do math. I don't get what your point is in saying that the ex-tenants are basically making a $10 thousand profit...

I only read Serris' post and the few before my own, btw, so tell me if I'm missing any information.

 

[joeplicate]

itt: teenaged pseudo-intellectuals

 

[Noobicidal]

I'm not stupid, btw, I can do math. I don't get what your point is in saying that the ex-tenants are basically making a $10 thousand profit...

I only read Serris' post and the few before my own, btw, so tell me if I'm missing any information.

1. I was being condescending to you; most people CAN do basic math.
2. The whole point of Serris' blog is that his family is being counter sued for $17,000.

My dad made a massive mistake when handling their security deposit. Not only did he store it in an out-of-state account, he also neglected to mark the account as being used for the deposit. Both of these are against Massachusetts law. Did he know? No. The tenants found out, and now they're suing us for $17,000 dollars.

 

[Teran]

itt: teenaged pseudo-intellectuals

ITT: crappy troll.

 

[Insetick]

1. I was being condescending to you; most people CAN do basic math.
2. The whole point of Serris' blog is that his family is being counter sued for $17,000.

I still don't get how your post relates to mine at all. I was making an assumption that the ex-tenants were selfish people because a $17000 lawsuit sounds ridiculous.

Is the $17000 fair for the mistakes Serris' father made? If it's fair, then forget I said anything.

 

[SuSa]

I see what you're getting at. It's like a function argument with ethics: something is good only when used FOR good.

First, I'll say that emotions are human nature. It's a biological response and you can NOT get rid of it. This applies also to greed and selfishness. I think what I was trying to get at (maybe you as well) is that people should be good and moral.

I believe that good reasoning (the result of a good education) is a quality in ethical people. Bush made major mistakes b/c he had poor reasoning skills. Thus, I don't think he is intelligent and he must not have received a good education. A person with good reasoning would be able to see that selfishness and greed will not lead to a happy life. The people suing Serris probably have few to no friends b/c they are selfish and dirty people. A life without friends is definitely not a happy life.

Edit: My take on Caesar: Caesar had poor reasoning b/c his actions led to his own death. Cassius had poor reasoning as well because of the same reasons. A person with good reasoning makes good decisions. He would live contently and die a natural death.

1. Who were the idiots that put Bush in power? Hopefully not the intellectuals.
2. You can be the best person in the world, and people would still want to kill you. Caesar was smart, and seemingly ambitious and because of that "he may be ambitious" (Which may or may not have been true) he was killed. However all of the other conspirators had other reasons. Cassius thought he was better then Caesar (and went as far as to compare Caesar to a weak girl). I believe Casca simply disliked Caesar over something or another and all save Brutus killed Caesar out of selfish reasons - whereas Brutus killed Caesar for the good of Rome.

 

[Teran]

Is the $17000 fair for the mistakes Serris' father made? If it's fair, then forget I said anything.

It's been said before a million times, even once in this thread.
They're doing what any other person would do in that situation.

They may be deadbeats and lowlives, but even the best of people would counter sue like that, it's the chance to make a lot of money.

 

[Falconv1.0]

As if counter suing/even just suing is ever fair.

 

[joeplicate]

except I'm being serious

almost everything you guys say is such a stereotypical "cool" thing

talking about the monstrosity of humanity and how the only logical choice is nihilism



barf
grow up some

 

[SuSa]

It's been said before a million times, even once in this thread.
They're doing what any other person would do in that situation.

They may be deadbeats and lowlives, but even the best of people would counter sue like that, it's the chance to make a lot of money.

Actually people with good reasoning skills would figure:

-$7,000 + $17,000 = $10,000 = You don't get ****ed $7000

Right or Wrong is simply a matter of human morals. What one sees as Right another may see as Wrong.


Also people without emotions could make things potentially worse. If you didn't give a **** about the other family, you'd more likely sue them over anything you could that you could win simply to put yourself in a better position - regardless what the other family did to you (since you don't care since your emotionless)

 

[Teran]

except I'm being serious

almost everything you guys say is such a stereotypical "cool" thing

talking about the monstrosity of humanity and how the only logical choice is nihilism



barf
grow up some

But you see, I'm really not.
And it's not cool son, I'm posting on an internet forum, I gave up any hope of that a long time ago.

Get ****in' real, and stop being a buffoon.
Humanity isn't monstrous, it's just not the almighty noble force we've made up. We're animals, just like others. We're intelligent, have culture, blah blah.

But we still have instincts and "selfish" desires just like all other animals would.
The point is, we're not all good or all evil.
Well actually, good and evil don't really exist, they're just cute concepts people made up.

Also agreed with Havokk's calculations.

 

[Zero Beat]

Humanity isn't monstrous, it's just not the almighty noble force we've made up. We're animals, just like others. We're intelligent, have culture, blah blah.

But we still have instincts and "selfish" desires just like all other animals would.
The point is, we're not all good or all evil.
Well actually, good and evil don't really exist, they're just cute concepts people made up.

Teran, if the rep system was still up, I'd plus rep you for that last part.

 

[Insetick]

1. Who were the idiots that put Bush in power? Hopefully not the intellectuals.
2. You can be the best person in the world, and people would still want to kill you.

Looking back, Americans made a bad decision in electing Bush. I'll admit that I think most Americans are stupid, but Bush appeared to be the better candidate at the time to more people. If you think that the other candidate was definitely the better choice both times Bush was elected, I'll say that you can't prove it.

I don't know enough about Caesar to counter your second point I believe that Caesar brought the assassination upon himself. You may not. If he did not bring it upon himself, then his death was out of his control and shouldn't be factored into how we judge him.

Edit: by fair, I wasn't referring to suing in general In this case specifically, is $17000 a fair settlement for Serris' father's mistakes?

 

[Falconv1.0]

he only logical choice is nihilism

Nihilism is a stereotype now? And I give a **** what others think of me now? lolwho?

This thread actually now has people mentioning Bush. Wow, get that **** out of here.


Also, 150,000 times what Teran said.

 

[joeplicate]

But we still have instincts and "selfish" desires just like all other animals would.
The point is, we're not all good or all evil.
Well actually, good and evil don't really exist, they're just cute concepts people made up.

like, dude
what are you talking about


I'm just saying you could lose some of the pretentiousness
I say you're childish, and you have to turn it into reflections on the whole universe

hahahaha honestly though

 

[LordoftheMorning]

You don't know me. At all.

150,000 times what Teran said. My ego is massive, and I'm very narcissistic. I just have a good group of friends, everyone else is lulzy to me.

I'm not sure I understand how you can just say things like that and then dismiss them as if just admitting it makes it okay. You shouldn't be complacent with massive character flaws. Unless you're just too lazy to better yourself.

On a more general note, there are two kinds of people in the world. Serris, you can lose your faith in specific people, but try not to hate mankind in general. Never forget that the world is made up of a majority of decent people. They all have their problems. You may bump heads with some or most of them, but people are usually good at heart. This will always be true as long as Earth is still populated by humans. If people were not "mostly good", then the world would cease to exist in some way or another, dragged down by parasitic leeches and never supported by any creative souls. But this has not happened and so there is still a significant amount of good present. There must be.

Any other mode of thinking will only engender bitterness. Fact: Optimists live longer.

I'm sorry to hear about your plight, and I understand completely why you would be very angry. Lawsuits in general tend to piss me off. Good luck, and try not to worry about things you cannot control. Just hope. I'll keep you in my prayers. My mother is also having some problems with her health.

 

[Falconv1.0]

like, dude
what are you talking about


I'm just saying you could lose some of the pretentiousness
I say you're childish, and you have to turn it into reflections on the whole universe

hahahaha honestly though

You see, Teran's a funny mother ****er, you're an elitist prick, stop pretending we all give a **** what you have to say, like you somehow actually ****ing know us.

Hey, Lord, I'm an ***, and I'm ok with it. Deal. I try harder to get smarter and be less ignorant than over probably 99% of the people I've ever met in my life. Get the **** off my case and for the love of God, and this goes out to everyone

STOP PRESUMING TO KNOW **** ABOUT ME.

 

[Fatmanonice]

1. Who were the idiots that put Bush in power? Hopefully not the intellectuals.

As Winston Churchill once said, if you want to see the biggest flaw in democracy just look at the majority of people who vote. In that sense, the United States gives stupid people more of a voice than any other country in the world based on how our society works. Despite this, I would be as bold as to say that the ratio between "smart" and "stupid" is relatively the same in all developing countries, it's just that we have things like American's Funniest Home Videos that showcase it on a regular basis.

Add in: Like Falcon said, let's not turn this conversation to Bush. Please... for the love of God... I'm conservative but I completely hated his guts too.

 

[joeplicate]

When did I pretend that you care about what I'm saying?

where did you get acting like I know you from


stop being so distrustful of the whole world, man
I'm not out to get you
I just think it's cute that you take everything (including yourselves) so seriously

 

[Teran]

like, dude
what are you talking about


I'm just saying you could lose some of the pretentiousness
I say you're childish, and you have to turn it into reflections on the whole universe

hahahaha honestly though

No, I'm not being ****ing pretentious.
I was just in a discussion with other people until you start chatting **** like this.

I don't understand what's so childish about what I'm saying, and no it wasn't a reflection on the whole universe.

You could lose some of your retardedness. In fact, you could lose your ****ing hands so you couldn't type your bull**** on this site anymore, and do us all a favour.

Plus, I'm privately educated, and am part of the country's intellectual elite. I'm allowed to look down upon you as much as I please, but unlike you, I actually respect other people's opinions. Hell, I've even argued in favour of homophobes.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I just think it's cute that you take everything (including yourselves) so seriously

This shows that you presume to know **** about me, what are you, ****ing ********. This is the internet, not when I get to pop some more vicodin, silly *** mother****er.

 

[joeplicate]

cool, now I'm getting insulted

that figures.



What I was saying is that you make everything into like a life-or-death situation.
I was poking fun at you (guys--I don't know if it was you specifically) for saying stuff about "monstruous humanity" along with everything else

Also note my hyperbole--it wasn't a "reflection on the whole universe," although it was a reflection on all of humanity and culture.

I think your attitude is kind of childish--it's cute, but childish. I don't know how old you are, but I was pretty much exactly the same way (if not a lot, lot worse) in 9th grade or so, so don't take anything I'm saying personally.


edit: falcon, dude
I can see it in your writing
what you put on the internet, what you say, how you word your sentences, is a reflection on yourself.
Or at least the persona that you're presenting. It's english, yo.

 

[Teran]

bull****

Dude, you'd be extremely surprised at how much of a dimwit you come off as for continuing.

Please stop, turn around, and walk away.
You're not intelligent, you're not right, you're nothing.