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This. I gotta say, that zero (or low %) to death chain grab on spacies could really change everything and make a ****ty matchup not so ****ty. I still personally hate fd especially since I suck at chain grabbing, except I do like it vs marth for some reason... Maybe cuz I haven't played pp or mew2king
You can regrab from 0 and you could get lucky and get a 2nd one (Lucky meaning bad DI from opponent). Generally its much better to keep Marth above you so thats why I recommend Nair in this matchup after downthrow. Its pretty hard to punish Marth from the ground when he hasnt committed so id keep him in the air in combos or platforms as much as possible. It sucks to try to keep guessing while he's DDing and ****.
you misread lol, I like to fight marth on fd, nothing to do with chain grabs, but now that you mention it, yea you can get a second grab at zero! Cool bit about marths who like to immediately counter out of a grab: warlock punch that ****. Although wouldn't recommend that in tournament.
Oh man this is so true, I was playing friendlies with a Ganon at the last tournament I went to, and I was bored so I was just using random high tiers. I went Falcon one match and it went to FD and I 2 stocked him. I decided to stay Falcon for a bit and got 2 or 3 stocked in each of the next 3 matches on non-FD stages.
The CG is not that hard...I've been working on it for a while now. I'd say in another year or so I'll be able to do it nearly 95% of the time. When I do get it I get it from 12% on Falco or 35% on Fox. I go for the lowest possible level for the CG. I've done it in tournament as well--but my opponents weren't the best, but their DI wasn't garbage. It's just hard catching the cues on the DI. I studied Magus' tech-chasing guide like a bible, so I visually can tell when they DI behind me by the way they pop up as he's still reseting into neutral, then I grab from there. My timing is the biggest issue with it--and with everything in this game. I can react to it but my timings off sometimes. Kage does seriously underestimate the usefulness of the chaingrab--but FD is still ******** for us. We can't win there. You bein' silly.
It's so easy to catch turnips... and Ganon has lots of options and time for spacing... it's not like peach is twice as fast as Ganon. And I know Ganon doesn't beat jiggs on any map lol, and I don't think FD is the best stage for the matchup (I just don't think FD should be written off as ****ty altogether), but techchasing Ganon on a platform with rest is too easy. Ganon's platform work doesn't help as much vs Jiggs compared to other characters.
I didn't say luigi, I think his wd on FD makes gives him more opportunities to control the stage compared to platform stages. Ganon has a decent cg on pikachu, if you aren't flubbing edgeguards it's doable. The marios basically run even with Ganon also, nullifying pills with tilts/aerials is super easy, and fireballs aren't that big of a problem imo. As far as sheik, yeah it's a really tough matchup, but if you're turning a grab into a stock, you at least have a chance if you can get in your opponents head a bit.
"The people you play with" I hear you man, but I'm willing to bet Linguini grabs PP more often than you grab BAM. There is room for improvement. It's hard to judge a matchup off your training partner. I know you guys are very familiar with each other's styles. Also, I think you are overestimating how long it would take you to get decent at chaingrabbing. You're a great player and I think you'd get the hang of it rather quickly.
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I usually play vs players in the states for SF and the lag is still minimal.. Can't smash have that too?
Ya.. I guess its a matter of time really when i try this out.
I only have PC atm.