I don't think anyone is fighting...lol. What are you reading chump?
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
Hm? Everyone wants to MM, but Ill just take their $, easy!! =)
![Эикельманн [РУС]](/data/avatars/l/153/153661.jpg?1415225120){kind=avatar}
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
i've always been indifferent about what reverse uair spike was called. who cares who used it first?
RaphaelRobo
Smash Champion
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Can we just call it the Uair spike? That seems fairly impartial.
Or it could be the TipEddie spike. Or the EddieMan spike. Or the EdMan Spike. Or something.
Or it could be the TipEddie spike. Or the EddieMan spike. Or the EdMan Spike. Or something.
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its definitely the eddie spike. U can call it the uair spike if you want, but the tipman is totally off
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
why does it matter who did it?
do we call anti-semetism "the hitler"?
no, of course not.
do we call anti-semetism "the hitler"?
no, of course not.
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Eddie didn't even name it himself. West coast named it after him after he traveled over there and was wrecking with it.
HoChiMinhTrail
Smash Master
I mean I don't think anyone really cares all that much about what its called, I certainly dont sit and ponder these topics in the RL. But since we are on nerdboards talking about ganondorf, we may as well praise Eddie J. Howells for rightfully creating the Eddie Spike.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Though I've heard a lot more about Tipman than Eddie honestly back when I started competitive. I guess it's about "marketing" yourself the best.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Haha I like this comparison.
But LOL at the people who think we're taking this seriously. We're just reppin' the midwest. No hate meant
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Ok, serious question time (and disregard the double post).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCTvgh5mZ8E
At 0:53 ish in this video, kage fairs s2j's shield. But if I space it out the way he did, I ALWAYS end up shield grabbed. To avoid this, I always have to space a fair so that the very tip of the fist hits the shield and then I don't get grabbed.
The question here is: Did kage do something special, like start the fair early or something? Or did s2j fail to react to it and not bother to shield grab?
Please help with that one because that could totally change my game. Thanks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCTvgh5mZ8E
At 0:53 ish in this video, kage fairs s2j's shield. But if I space it out the way he did, I ALWAYS end up shield grabbed. To avoid this, I always have to space a fair so that the very tip of the fist hits the shield and then I don't get grabbed.
The question here is: Did kage do something special, like start the fair early or something? Or did s2j fail to react to it and not bother to shield grab?
Please help with that one because that could totally change my game. Thanks!
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Haha, fix'd. Typo. Meant 0:53
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Right, but why didn't s2j just shield grab? Because for me, if I space a fair that close to somebody's shield, I always get shield grabbed.
I guess my question rephrased should be why didn't s2j go for the grab? I would understand if the fair was spaced better that he would fear the jab, but I thought a fair on shield at that spacing was a free shield grab.
I guess my question rephrased should be why didn't s2j go for the grab? I would understand if the fair was spaced better that he would fear the jab, but I thought a fair on shield at that spacing was a free shield grab.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
^^^ watches this guy get shield grabbed all day. lol
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
This is mind blowing to me. If this is true, I should essentially never get shield grabbed on a fair. Hmm, maybe if I buffer a spot dodge to work out the timing...
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I think he was just pressured maybe, he could've done something for sure from that spacing OOS.
Not everyone reacts the exact same to every situation. I mean you might get grabbed every time that situation presents itself, but even S2J isn't perfect. Could he have grabbed? Maybe. But that doesn't mean he will every time, like the falcon you play seems to.
For instance, I saw my crew-mate(Arbustos) -who's really good vs ganon- do stuff to Kage that would never work vs me. Does this mean I'm better than kage, or I have a solution that he doesn't? No. You can't possibly expect the same outcome from different people every time, because everything can be changed in a frame. I think Ripple was right about S2J just not wanting to get jabbed, and waited to long to react and got grabbed. Kage probably planned it, an initial break from the norm to catch him off guard.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
fair is safe enough to jab, but jab isn't safe enough to do anything afterward.
i don't think fair -> grab is fast enough to beat a shieldgrab though. fair should also be safe enough to run away and bair a shieldgrab attempt.
i don't think fair -> grab is fast enough to beat a shieldgrab though. fair should also be safe enough to run away and bair a shieldgrab attempt.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
If this is really true at any spacing, then my speed must be awful haha. But what if you do that super quick jab thing? Like where you tilt the control stick down and away
But yea, g. vice, I know what kage was doing there, I do that occasionally too (thanks to advice from ripple and trail) as a mixup. The question was worded poorly. Time to work on my speed.
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
are you talking about jab canceling?
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
that doesn't work for ganon. he can't crouch after his jab fast enough where it works that way. the down and away thing can do work for a CC jab, but not like for fox where you can continuously do the first jab by holding down and away.
he simply has too many cooldown frames on his jab to avoid a grab punish. you do have to l cancel the fair properly to get a jab/ successful runaway.
he simply has too many cooldown frames on his jab to avoid a grab punish. you do have to l cancel the fair properly to get a jab/ successful runaway.
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Holy **** i'm ********.
HoChiMinhTrail
Smash Master
ya there was this dude DooDad who started spamming "Tipman Spike" all round the boards, it was kinda lame, kuz if u met Eddie, u wouldn't wany anyone to do him like that. Boi is a midwest legend and we go hard for our legends. We had this argument like 6 years ago lol...
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Actually Geen that mathy framey stuff helped quite a bit. I have no idea what this -2 and +3 stuff means lol. So thanks. I guess I'm not frame perfect on the jab then when I'm too close, maybe it's a mental thing? Either way, I'll probably just buffer a spot dodge (which I think comes out on frame 1?) to get the timing down.
Also, trail, I've always been curious, but never asked: what is the significance of your sig?
Also, trail, I've always been curious, but never asked: what is the significance of your sig?
Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
i think you mean doodah.
HoChiMinhTrail
Smash Master
Ya there u go, i actually met the kid when i was at a smashaid, dude was pretty funny.
Pseudo, idk this dude blackstar made it, it's kinda a joke.
Geenareeno
Smash Lord
Whenever someone says -3 or +1 or something they're talking about advantage on block. So if Ganon fairs someone's sheild, lands the next frame and got the L cancel, your opponent will come out of sheild .... ****!
I made a huge ******** error in my post. Uhh anyways, yeah you will be actionable 3 frames after your opponent comes out of sheild stun. Since jab comes out on frame 3 and grab takes 7 frames if you try to grab you will be jabbed.
It's mostly used in 2d fighters where certain characters will have moves that are positive on block. There's only a few in this game, Falcon's knee and Peach's FC fair come to mind.
I made a huge ******** error in my post. Uhh anyways, yeah you will be actionable 3 frames after your opponent comes out of sheild stun. Since jab comes out on frame 3 and grab takes 7 frames if you try to grab you will be jabbed.
It's mostly used in 2d fighters where certain characters will have moves that are positive on block. There's only a few in this game, Falcon's knee and Peach's FC fair come to mind.
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Falcon's knee is positive. His uair is too IIRC
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Is grab 2 frames? Don't think so especially when often you'd have to dash first because the knee will have to be spaced.
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+1 and +0, respectively.
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
i'm trying out this new technique with ganon. reverse reverse (hitting them with a reverse up-air while you are facing towards them) up-air reset (same properties as jab reset).
it's not worth it imo because it covers only 1/4 options after down-throw or whatever (tech in place ruins it), but it feels so satisfying charging a f-smash after resetting them on the floor.
it's not worth it imo because it covers only 1/4 options after down-throw or whatever (tech in place ruins it), but it feels so satisfying charging a f-smash after resetting them on the floor.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I've done that once or twice in a match but omg it's situational.. lol. I remember i have a vid somewhere where i did but cant find it atm. =/
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
i did a dair off the top platform and dropped down with an uair and it reset them from the missed tech. it looked interesting, but i haven't been able to do it consistently.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
@ Bizarro and Kage - Try down throwing and immediately snapping up the c-stick while short hopping. Make sure you hit them with Ganon's tippy toes. (They have to miss teching on the floor in order for this to work)