Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

[Geenareeno]

When you guys say safer, I assume you mean it's harder to punish, which is definitely true. But F-smash has RIDICULOUS priority, and multiple hitboxes, which means you'll almost never trade with it. I can see up angled f-tilt trading with a falcon nair though. Just something I wanted to point out.

 

[-ACE-]

High ftilt can beat falcon nair straight up

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I was running through that in my head during school yesterday and was fairly certain FUtilt would be a good answer. I'm glad to hear you thought the same thing.

 

[Jeyfar]

You can sometimes, take the opponent by surprise by blocking the nair and reverse up-b lol. I know it's a one time trick per set of matches but it's effective

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Maybe I'm just weird. I can't stand using fsmash in Melee. Not with Ganondorf. Unless it's the ditto.

 

[Divinokage]

There's certain cases where no attacks will be able to counter a move that is thrown like let's say Peach's Fair and only Fsmash will be able to hit her because of the pullback. It's basically another specific Ganon trap, it's kinda hard to describe the spacing where this can happen though.. mm... It could be used vs Marth too sometimes.

 

[9Kplus1]

By how much does smiling increase my **** factor with Ganon?

 

[Divinokage]

That depends how you feel actually.

 

[PaperstSoapCo]

Maybe I'm just weird. I can't stand using fsmash in Melee. Not with Ganondorf. Unless it's the ditto.

Up throw fsmash on spacies at 65-75 per cent is a sweet combo.

 

[9Kplus1]

I'm in the mood to claim a stock on Yoshi's, and, as a result, start pulling off some weird Dair -> Nair combos. I end everything with an aerial Down B offstage, then Randall surprises everyone by catching my prey with his endlessly dark and evil mug. I quickly catch on to what Randall is planning, but it's too late -- I've already lost my stock. At that point, I'm feeling pretty swagged up by Randall's shenanigans, and start to smile.

Would I finally be at your level, Kage?

 

[Divinokage]

Only if you can be truly happy at every single moment. =P

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Up throw fsmash on spacies at 65-75 per cent is a sweet combo.

i'll have to try that one, actually. we'll see. maybe you can catch them off guard with bad di.

 

[G. Vice]

Up throw fsmash on spacies at 65-75 per cent is a sweet combo.

It might would work, but I think you'd be better off dthrow/uthrow to uair or fair wouldn't you? Seeing as how 65-75% can be death percentage to spacies if they are close to a ledge. Especially falco.

Fsmash knocks them up, while uair/fair knocks them horizontal.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Fsmash could be better if the ceiling was low enough.

 

[G. Vice]

Fsmash could be better if the ceiling was low enough.

At 65-75? Nah, you'd have to be like on the top platform on Yoshi's to kill off the top with it.

While on yoshis, a fair is probably going to almost kill off the side or lead to an edgeguard opportunity.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Yeah, you'd have to be in a situation like that. Otherwise the Fair would be better.

 

[Renth]

Up throw fsmash on spacies at 65-75 per cent is a sweet combo.

You can zero to death chain grab sheik and kill her ending with an f smash (don't remember percentage)

 

[DippnDots]

You can zero to death chain grab sheik and kill her ending with an f smash (don't remember percentage)

118% for falco, not sure how that would translate to sheik

 

[-ACE-]

Dthrow sheik at 85ish gets you the fsmash. KO power depends on stage ceiling. It will ko on fd if they dont di the fsmash.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

Alright, back from my second ever tournament. I got absolutely destroyed, which was to be expected, but had 2 major accomplishments:

1) I beat one person who actually beat a lot of the people who beat me.
2) I successfully chain grabbed a sheik twice in crew battles and ended up +1 stock

Unfortunately, I got dead last lol. Maybe next time.

 

[Ripple]

if only you could see this guy's improvement!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

quasi testudine has a lot of potential. he'll be the best ganon in the mw in like 2/3 years.

 

[PseudoTurtle]

quasi testudine has a lot of potential. he'll be the best ganon in the mw in like 2/3 years.

Give it one, ian
(Thanks for the support)

Tech skill: check
Speed: meh
Thinking at all whatsoever when i play and not just spamming random moves: needs improvement.

I give that last one one year. Lmao.

Oh, one more thing. This is regarding the RLD (which i clearly have a hard-on for).

RLD to fair: in my experience it always hits the first time.
When they get accustomed to this, they will put up their shield when they see you RLD DJ. After this, fast fall the DJ into a waveland and pivot a grab. All i can say is MAD SEXY.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

If I were Ganon, and I saw you RLD DJ, I'd Ftilt you. I'm pretty sure it'd work out well.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

the initial slide on the edge is still invincible. you'd have to be really close to the edge and have to catch him after he's already slid back off the edge. but if you're that close, then a ganon would probably just ledgedash-roll through to center stage.

it's best to just lock ganon down, and stand near ledgedash range.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

If he does a ledgedash-roll, he'd be in downB range, right? Or would he be slightly out of it?

Also, what do you guys think about Shield-dropping? I feel like I should be using it a lot more than I do at the moment.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

down b range from...where? i'm thinking of standing with your back to the ledge about platform distance from the edge. if he ledgedash rolls you can just...fair.

if you commit yourself closer to the edge, i guess you could down B inwards, but they might be able to shield in time; ledgedash roll is kinda fast, and punishing with a down b on reaction does not seem particularly quick.

shield drop seems okay, but sorta tough to do in a timely manner without spotdodging. it's more useful to have controlled pushoffs in shield to punish.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I was thinking facing the edge, slightly closer. Thinking about it now, though, I've probably committed too much by being in that position.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

so...down b-ing toward the edge to punish a ledgedash roll?

you know that thing is invincible...right?

 

[PseudoTurtle]

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so...down b-ing toward the edge to punish a ledgedash roll?

you know that thing is invincible...right?

There are safer and more effective ways to punish a ledge dash roll (ledge dash roll is what tipman calls advanced evade, yes?)

 

[RaphaelRobo]

No, I was going to turn around downB. It's probably too slow, though.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

if he ledgedash rolls you can just...fair..

to quote myself about 3 posts ago...

I was thinking facing the edge, slightly closer. Thinking about it now, though, I've probably committed too much by being in that position.

then you wouldn't be facing the edge. and yeah, as i said earlier, it's probably too slow to do on reaction. maybe as a hard read, and if you're really lucky, it'd reverse.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

You're right, at that point I might as well Fair or Bair. I wonder if a WD turn around jab/ftilt would be fast enough. It wouldn't be as good as a Fair or Bair, but it's something I'll have to think about.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, a wavedash grab is probably good enough. a lot of those situations, ganon will shield first, ask questions later. grabbing is good for that as a punish.

it's what i would do as sheik.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Sheik's slightly faster though, right? Still, given the advantage Sheik has in the matchup, it seems like it would be beneficial to think like a Sheik. Maybe I should work on my Sheik more.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

oh, sheiks is certainly faster, but even ganon's should do work on an obvious ledgedash roll.

thinking like a sheik is useful, just as long as you don't start assuming his crouch is good

 

[RaphaelRobo]

What are you talking about? Ganon's crouch is the best. I can duck under Fox's Shine with it.

 

[GofG]

raphbo wtf

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I've been practicing it a lot recently. It's a very useful skill to have.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yknow raphael, you had a decent streak there for a little bit. good, thoughtful, posts that didn't involve kirby.

in other news, to deal with foxes shine, just jump first. when you land you have no lag, so you can jab when they think they have a waveshine.