How much of Zelghandi can YOU do?

[Dynamism?]

sw does, and when he doesn't, it's to players that have ridiculous tech skill too. You HAVE to to be good.


Anyone saying m2k keeps it basic is silly. Watch a vid of him. He's pretty much the character he plays, not just controlling them...FUSED with them lolol

mango shines OOS as much as the next decent player






Are you guys just jealous of SWs amazing tech videos that he's sharing with you? Don't watch it if you don't want to see it HAHAHA

 

[Bets]

everything except multishine turnarounds.

 

[RaynEX]

sw does, and when he doesn't, it's to players that have ridiculous tech skill too. You HAVE to to be good.

By your logic, everyone that has ever beaten SW in tourny has more techskill than him.

: /

Techskill is not the only determining factor when it comes to being 'good'. Techskill isn't everything.

 

[Stratford]

Mango ****. I love this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOFMzNUyO14&feature=player_profilepage#t=2m43s

 

[Silent Wolf]

uhhhhhhh lol

 

[RaynEX]

Anytime, any place, shine oos with Falco.

If you miss the shine d.i. backwards and laser on your way down. Stops them from jumping if you're not too close, and sets up for another pressure string.

mmm mmm good.

 

[L__]

I can do the SHFFL waveshine turnarounds,

the shine -> SHDL -> waveshine turnarounds

JC shine turnarounds [with falco]

JC shines

Pivots [not nearly as many as in the video though]

pivot usmash

shine -> wavedash turnaround -> moonwalk -> doraki instant wall jump [no lasers, and not super fluently yet]

waveshine turnaround across FD

etc


but the most important one

















taunt

:D

 

[Europhoria]

If you fight an extremely technical player, the sheer APM vs APM will make you lose.

Now I understand how all the Jiggs players are winning against technical Foxes. It's their blistering APM

 

[Dynamism?]

SW, uh lol is right

btw, good **** at tp3
gimp shane for me too plz

Raynex, read that again lol
"Players with ridiculous tech skill winning" does NOT mean "Better tech skill then players that they beat"
logic wtf? XD
You just repeated what I said so *thumbs up*


PS: lol euph

 

[Rubyiris]

The definition of scrub literally has to do with limiting yourself. Refusal to learn advanced techniques, or implement strategies because they're deemed cheap, etc.

In this case, you're refusing to learn something that should be practically bread and butter. shine oos is absolutely essential, and you cannot argue this.

 

[RaynEX]

SW, uh lol is right

btw, good **** at tp3
gimp shane for me too plz

Raynex, read that again lol
"Players with ridiculous tech skill winning" does NOT mean "Better tech skill then players that they beat"
logic wtf? XD
You just repeated what I said so *thumbs up*


PS: lol euph

Oops. I re-read it.

ma bad

(you're still wrong though. We can use Europhoria's example for the sake of lol)

 

[Dynamism?]

you're still wrong though

please correct me then/elaborate cause I don't know what you're saying haha
(is you're referring to my lol at jiggs > foxy then note: I just said lol, because it's a good example of tech skill being not as big a factor in winning as other things)

 

[HT F8]

Shine OoS is so useful... not to mention really easy to do.

I love how half the thread has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I can do the SHFFL waveshine turnarounds,

...

pivot usmash

I need to learn this because pivot usmashes are so good in Fox dittos. I do it all the time by accident, though.

The definition of scrub literally has to do with limiting yourself. Refusal to learn advanced techniques, or implement strategies because they're deemed cheap, etc.

In this case, you're refusing to learn something that should be practically bread and butter. shine oos is absolutely essential, and you cannot argue this.

Yea, dude. Shine oos ***** ledgehoppers haha.

 

[Cactuar]

I always lose because I have no tech skill at all.

 

[PB&J]

i think sw doesnt win because h e doesnt travel that much..he went to genesis and didnt even enter so it defeated the purpose, he just needs people exp. and he will **** in no time

and lol thinking im not technical with fox..cant wait to play people again..its so funny how people think on the boards

tech skill isnt everything, but y not master your character and have more control with him.. there is nothing wrong with being technical. all u need after it is people exp and u will be fine

eggz ***** and silent wolf does

eggz just got second to m2k last saturday..cant wait til the vids

and m2k suks vs falco with fox..dont make m2k fox statements unless its against fox and m2k's fox is very technical..lol

 

[Silent Wolf]

eggz ***** m2k

edit: and me

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

there are two kinds of technical

1. being able to press buttons really fast
2. being precise with your character

m2k is the ideal of #2. #1 doesn't even matter in a match.

 

[L__]

I always lose because I have no tech skill at all.

This is funny.

 

[TheKneeOfJustice]

Now I understand how all the Jiggs players are winning against technical Foxes. It's their blistering APM

Thread over.

 

[ZoSo]

eggz ***** m2k

edit: and me

Yeah he definitely ***** M2K in that set he lost.

This thread got all serious and off-topic and now it's dumb.

 

[ChRed2AKrisp]

Except that's not what the thread was about. Jesus. I just asked what people could do because the technical level of foxes IS increasing. Shine bair used to be like WTF, now its like nice shine bair, good stuff. I didn't make a thread to argue about whether tech skill is important or not. Jesus. Lrn 2 read OP or gtfo mah thread.

 

[ChivalRuse]

No. I like this thread. It's comfortable in here.

 

[Silent Wolf]

Yeah he definitely ***** M2K in that set he lost.

This thread got all serious and off-topic and now it's dumb.

i was just referring to a certain stock

 

[L__]

^ So...when's your new video coming out?

 

[Silent Wolf]

im not sure exactly
i havent started recording but i have some of it planned out

 

[L__]

Huh.

Good luck with that.

HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Eggz]

why does everyone get all butthurt when techskill gets brought up? (other than them not being as technical as silent wolf)

you dont gotta downplay things hes done just cuz you can't say youre in the same techskill ballpark as him.

Raynex, are you being serious with the jigglypuff fox thing? A character who thrives on being basic compared to a character with infinite potential?

I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to Fox vs Fox or Fox vs Marth or Fox vs Falco or other characters with options to their playstyles.

Knowing youre a pretty technical player I'd assume you would be arguing that options and abilities are a good thing, not the opposite.

But if you guys want to randomly bring up conflict for no reason at all go ahead lol no one cares

 

[Eggz]

seriously why are you guys all so negative about everything
its really annoying

 

[PB&J]

i agree with eggz

 

[ZoSo]

why does everyone get all butthurt when techskill gets brought up? (other than them not being as technical as silent wolf)

you dont gotta downplay things hes done just cuz you can't say youre in the same techskill ballpark as him.

Raynex, are you being serious with the jigglypuff fox thing? A character who thrives on being basic compared to a character with infinite potential?

I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to Fox vs Fox or Fox vs Marth or Fox vs Falco or other characters with options to their playstyles.

Knowing youre a pretty technical player I'd assume you would be arguing that options and abilities are a good thing, not the opposite.

But if you guys want to randomly bring up conflict for no reason at all go ahead lol no one cares

I actually agree with you completely. Learning new techniques, no matter how exotic or situational they may be, can only help you. Not only that, but you need to be able to do at least 10% more than what's expected of you when you're put on the spot i.e. in a tourney. This is a basic example, but if you can easily and consistenly waveshine Marth you'll have no problem doing it to Falcon or Sheik. However, I can also completely identify with the view that it's better to devote your practice time (some people don't get a lot of it) to completely nailing down your fundamentals, rather than spending countless hours on some obscure technique that will barely ever be of use to you. Moreover, if you're gonna go around spouting garbage like, "sheer APM vs. APM will make you lose against a more technical player," people are OBVIOUSLY going to call you on it because it's OBVIOUSLY wrong.

You're clearly a smart guy. I don't believe for a second that you seriously thought you were going to drop that without ANYBODY challenging it. Stop acting like a victim.

Also,

characters with options to their playstyles.

Lol.

 

[ChivalRuse]

are you being serious with the jigglypuff fox thing? A character who thrives on being basic

I support this statement 100%.

Ugh. Hate Jiggs with a passion.

 

[Dynamism?]

seriously why are you guys all so negative about everything
its really annoying

QFT

Everyone should know not to take things word for word. Seriously, use your heads in matches AND in reading.

I watched ALL the TP4 vids and I have to say I'm depressed (as I predicted lol)
Daltsy missed out too.

Gonna spam you with my anger of missing it even more now shane hahahah

 

[Eggz]

I've never practiced by myself and I'm as technical as I am (or am not, if you don't think I am)

I've only developed what I need to in order to counter certain situations I've encountered.

You're clearly a smart guy. I don't believe for a second that you seriously thought you were going to drop that without ANYBODY challenging it. Stop acting like a victim.

I just wanted the point to be challenged, not my badly organized/worded garbage I likely posted drunk.

 

[ZoSo]

Happens to the best of us.

 

[TresChikon]

Angry drunkenness comes from the soul.

This discussion is giving me some pretty great points to think about.

Please continue, just keep the blood to a minimum.

 

[Rubyiris]

I play stepmania, beatmania, o2jam, and djmax so I push buttons really, really fast.

<_<

 

[Strong Badam]

did someone say that shine out of shield was practically a bread and butter technique with Fox, and absolutely essential?
i'm not going to read this thread anymore.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I never said dat.

>_>

<_<

 

[Silent Wolf]

my controller broke again
its over