How do I improve D:

[darkatma]

The midwest sucks, there are like, 2 decent players within an hour of me, and maybe 5 decent players within 5 hours of me lmao

How do I improve here, no one to play against D:

 

[ConnorTheKid]

wow, under those conditions, you don't.....

 

[Lovage]

who are those 2 decent players?

 

[pockyD]

mew2king did it

 

[Furbs]

moving helps

 

[darkatma]

who are those 2 decent players?

people who aren't even known in the smash community lolll

well one's my teams partner Genoblast
we've beaten some good florida and midwest teams before
he's decent but is always busy lmaoo

The other 3 are UIUC people like, 4 hours away
which includes Deku, and Marth1 and his twin

also moving is out of the question i have 4 years of college here


rapeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...d

 

[killer tofu]

focus on college and revisit melee when done?

 

[DJMirror]

or drop melee and play brawl online

 

[NeighborhoodP]

god i hate it when people say they can't improve because there's no one to play

not true at all, stop being lazy

 

[darkatma]

god i hate it when people say they can't improve because there's no one to play

not true at all, stop being lazy

what can i practice then?

i can only think of tech skill, and that's just rote learning
half the tech skill stuff I can't even practice anyways, such as doubleshining into shields

 

[Miharu]

do what jason zimmerman did

 

[Lovage]

ZIMMERMANSINSIN FROM CINAMINCINSONCIN Sonnn!!!

 

[NeighborhoodP]

since i've been practicing tech skill, it's helped my mindset and gameplay a LOT more than just tech skill

like take what cactuar says for example. in his thread he's like, just take marth and do moves and learn how to get in and out of your moves as fast as possible. that **** works. like with falco, i'll just empty short hop over and over to get my wavelands down perfect. and then in match it trains me to always come down from the air with a waveland instead of an aerial.

you can just train yourself to stop doing bad habits.

so like with falco and fox i'm training myself to always react at close quarters (<3 tofu), so i'm not caught shining when they're pushed too far from the dair and i should be following up / dairing again.

you can practice your quick wavelands on the edge so you learn how to waveland downwards to get your shield up. and then you can get up from the ledge by doing that or by doing the perfect waveland to trick your opponent.

with sheik i practice auto canceling aerials and backwards fairs and etc. so i can do it on command in match. but honestly there's not a ton of stuff to do with sheik.

but you can train yourself with other characters and it all carries over in the end as long as you consciously keep that mindset

i've become convinced that practicing tech with fox/falco is the best way to start get good. you just gotta make sure you're practicing good habits and not mindless stuff. find the reason you ever mess up on anything, learn the timing, and realize what you have to do to never mess it up again and do it.

 

[KirbyKaze]

pick fox.

/thread

 

[Kouryuu]

Like P said, get a feel for you character and practice executing all you options as perfectly as possible.

 

[DanteFox]

Just do what I do and:

1. Watch tons of videos and try to put yourself in their position. Learn vicariously.

2. Go into melee tactical and character specific boards and learn stuff there.

3. Practice useful and useless tech skill. Useful tech skill is self explanatory and useless makes you look flashy and on top of that, gives you a sense of improvement, even if you're not really improving. You can also experience "side effects" of practicing relatively useless tech skill that might improve more practical areas of your game. For example I practiced the Silent Wolf style waveshining to the point of around 90% consistency and it has helped me with shine turnarounds and backwards waveshines a bit. Hey it's still improvement lol.

4. Practice combos

Then once you get all that down you'll at least have the fundamentals down, so that when you do play with real people, even if they have more tournament experience than you, there won't be a technical difference between them and you. On top of that you'll have learned some strategies from videos, and you might be able to surprise people with some of the things you do.

Take that advice as you will.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

yeah seriously

you can rewatch videos every step of your improvement and learn more and more

want to learn how to camp? watch dsf

want to learn how to play safe? watch the japanese

want to learn how to be gay? watch m2k

want to learn how to laser? watch forward and shiz

want to learn how to camp? watch dr peepee

want to just learn how to use moves in certain situations? watch all the old classics

i learn new stuff all the time from videos that i couldn't understand before. for example now i know why KDJ dash dances like he does with fox. it's broken.

it also has the benefit of helping you learn and recognize different play styles. so then you know what style counters theirs.

 

[Cheeri-Oats]

So, P, tell me... what do you know?

 

[DanteFox]

i learn new stuff all the time from videos that i couldn't understand before. for example now i know why KDJ dash dances like he does with fox. it's broken.

why? tell me please tell me please please please please.

 

[darkatma]

lol Dante i'm past the level where I can improve by just going into melee tactical discussion. I'm also good enough to place relatively well in tournies in the midwest (read: I'm from Norcal, *****es :D) I'm just saying there aren't enough people to practice against. I find that the people I DO play against I develop bad habits FROM, because they don't punish me for something simple like, upB with falco from too close to the stage

P gives good advice sometimes IMO



Also, the timing for a doubleshine on a person is soooo different than empty doubleshine
I practiced for an hour and I still can't get it right half the time

 

[NeighborhoodP]

why? tell me please tell me please please please please.

I've picked up Fox for a while and I've realized that he's hard to approach with because everyone in the world knows how to counter sh nair and sh dair.

There are changeups, of course -- mixing up the nair approaches with sh waveland backwards/forwards/down, full hop nairing, and running and shining (called the Lucky), but there's also a simpler way: pressuring with dash dancing.

You can dash dance just outside their attack range to bait stuff out, and it's really hard to punish. So far it seems like dash attacking (or boost grabbing w/ sheik) is the most effective counter, but that's easily punishable. So voila, you don't really have to approach anymore except as a change up.

Also, the timing for a doubleshine on a person is soooo different than empty doubleshine
I practiced for an hour and I still can't get it right half the time

Yeah but if you truly practiced well, you will be used to waiting and reacting rather than just mindlessly pressing buttons because that's what your muscle memory told you to do. So you might mess up a bit to begin with, but you won't get frustrated, you'll learn why you're messing up, find the timing, and do it successfully.

Then you'll feel proud as ****.

You gotta play like you're not afraid to get ***** if you mess up, cause only then will you truly master it.

 

[darkatma]

but honestly there's not a ton of stuff to do with sheik.

exactly =[

I find myself never pulling sheik out in friendlies because she's not fun to play as when your opponents are the lols
then when it matters in tourny I lose to bad foxes.

 

[Sleepy]

only problem is DI is kinda limited to practice against unless you have improving partners, and lack of style to play against is a limiting factor too :/

Either way though if you want to keep playing the only way to keep yourself up is keep the skills you have up and make sure you don't develop bad habits. Can only really do what's in your power, since you can't control that there are no players to play against, unless you turn some people to melee players, which takes some time.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

I drink DJ juice all the time so my DI always *****

but if you think about it DI is really really easy: it's just the same two or three ways for all the moves in the game. All you have to do is recognize when to DI away and when to survival DI. For the most part you can DI down and tech and you'll be cool, which is also extremely easy to do.

re: Sheik, I find my Sheik gets better the more I learn other techniques with other characters, because it's so easy to implement that stuff into her. Also (well, for me, but I'm stealing most of this from M2K. I think for most people, unless you're really talented, trying to do too much with Sheik is so so so bad), you gotta play Sheik REALLY basically and not go outside the box. That means spam boost grab / bair / dash attack, auto cancel your aerials really well, and play not to get hit. The rest of the gay takes care of itself.

 

[Sleepy]

you're probably right, but either way tech practice is necessary so you show up and you aren't fighting yourself but your opponent, at least that's how I always saw it.

It's like a bad clutch on a fast car, if it doesn't engage correctly gear shifting and rev matching will be that much more difficult and take longer. With a good strong one, you'll be able to switch gears with ease spending less time with your left foot mashed into the firewall.

 

[darkatma]

unless you turn some people to melee players, which takes some time.

Actually i'm teaching one of my friends smash
but for some reason he is ridiculously accurate at shine spiking.
He gets me out of marth's upB without using ledge invincibility frames lmao

 

[Sleepy]

there might be yet more competition growing around you with someone possibly talented sounding like that.

 

[joeplicate]

I think that this is the most honest I've ever seen P online

good **** adam, it sounds like you're learning a lot
I would honestly be afraid to fight you if you learned how to pressure and were technical

btw I have your lotion ^_^

 

[LooksLikePit]

sleepy, please don't post in topics like these....

 

[darkatma]

yeah P sounds like a cool guy in this thread lolll

no hate

 

[Sleepy]

sleepy, please don't post in topics like these....

lol why not? because I can?

 

[DanteFox]

sleepy, please don't post in topics like these....

dude, quit being an ***.

everyone has a right to post here and, oddly enough, his post was more on-topic and substantive than yours.

 

[Sleepy]

dante don't let him bait you lol, he takes pride in doing that, so I responded in similar fashion

thanks for getting my back though bro.

 

[LooksLikePit]

lol why not? because I can?

What does that mean?

dude, quit being an ***.

everyone has a right to post here and, oddly enough, his post was more on-topic and substantive than yours.

Yes I know, but it really doesn't do anything helpful. Yes I know these posts are useless too; I am only trying to prevent more of them.

 

[Miharu]

sherigami trying to prevent useless posts?

nice joke

 

[LooksLikePit]

inorite

but this is a thread asking a serious question. IMO, you shouldn't answer the question unless you can give a useful response

 

[Tee ay eye]

Do you guys think it'd be a good idea to watch matches in slow motion?

 

[Sleepy]

if you're trying to be like m2k and count the frames

 

[Tee ay eye]

Okay, it's not like the videos are going at 1/60x speed. It's just to slow it down a little so you can look at everything that's going on and process it.

Videos aren't recorded at 60 FPS anyway.

 

[Miharu]

inorite

but this is a thread asking a serious question. IMO, you shouldn't answer the question unless you can give a useful response

so in effect you're saying that you yourself should never post on this board