Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
really gotta disagree with you there, unless yui has gotten loads better since i last saw him.
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How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)
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really gotta disagree with you there, unless yui has gotten loads better since i last saw him.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Aerials negate RCO
Kuares
Pizza
Uzi, why must you destroy the my ideal model of Fox I strive to become ;_; This's the latest video I found of him. Bar the terrible DI on that throw and that he lost the set, I'd say he still plays well. He hasn't improved much playstylewise if that's what you're saying.
As far as Dairing from the ledge, it honestly depends on if they're at a high enough percent/trip, just like any Dair combo's.
Kuro aerials don't cancel it out exactly, the landing lag from the aerials is what cancels out alot of the RCO lag(gives the aerial 1/3 more landing lag though), Autocanceling them will give you the 15/19/25 frames of vulnerability depending on the B move and fall speed.
As far as Dairing from the ledge, it honestly depends on if they're at a high enough percent/trip, just like any Dair combo's.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
alright. I'll remember that. But you def have way less if you ff nair than if you just jump onto the stage...at least it seems that way whenever i use fox or marth.
Player-1
Smash Legend
FF makes it worse unless you're Lucario
Orion*
Smash Researcher
unless you have a very hard read no, people will just shield and hit you back off lol
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Well duh. That's not what i was getting at with that lol.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
then whats your point? Theres like no point in doing it if your opponents in range to block it
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
That was just it. I wasn't aiming at anything i was simply stating it lol. Just something to remember when you have rco.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
Remembering things that dont have a use are pointless lol. Like. I do it if I'm bored or w/e but there's no real point imo unless there's a very specific reason.
Also i realized from quoting before, i didnt respond to it but. Airs dont negate the lag they just reduce it.
Also i realized from quoting before, i didnt respond to it but. Airs dont negate the lag they just reduce it.
fox67890
Smash Journeyman
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Another question from me-
Under the fox video library thread, and under the advanced techniques, there's a video labeled "quick pivots". It shows Zeton doing...well I guess quick pivots. The thing is though, the movement looks interesting, and perhaps even applicable. Does anyone know how to do this?
It's shown around 5:45 in this video
Under the fox video library thread, and under the advanced techniques, there's a video labeled "quick pivots". It shows Zeton doing...well I guess quick pivots. The thing is though, the movement looks interesting, and perhaps even applicable. Does anyone know how to do this?
It's shown around 5:45 in this video
Kuares
Pizza
Well, I found out about it after trying to incorporate pivot uptilts in my game(really strick timing, and not something you want to mess up). Eventually just figuring out how to do these Quick Pivots and getting more consistant at that.
The way I do it is by doing half a dash dance. Basically dash forward, then push the control stick the opposite direction, and then let it go back into neutral. My controller makes a pretty distinct sound when I do it, so just listen I guess.
The way I do it is by doing half a dash dance. Basically dash forward, then push the control stick the opposite direction, and then let it go back into neutral. My controller makes a pretty distinct sound when I do it, so just listen I guess.
0mart
Smash Apprentice
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Is that wilmenz?:D
Haven't heard from dat guy in forever...
Haven't heard from dat guy in forever...
izic
Smash Cadet
Not Fox related but what's the best way to mash out of grabs?
Wilmenz
Smash Journeyman
Kuro remembers me T~T
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Hahaha of course i do wilmenz. Just sucks i got too busy to stick around.
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
So I'm trying to figure out what each character can do with Diddy's Bananas, and I'm going around to each character's board asking this: does your character have any fun combos or tricks they can do specifically with Bananas? If not, you might look into it; it'd be useful both for the Diddy MU and for Doubles when your partner is a Diddy.
Player-1
Smash Legend
nope, fox is a terrible character.
clash made him top tier hehe
Fixed it for ya.
fox67890
Smash Journeyman
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Most people right off the bat say "jump toss nanna to upsmash", but fox could actually do more than that.
Uh, I've been very busy lately. I was actually thinking about making a video about nanna combos this weekend, but I'm not sure if I'll get around to it.
Player-1
Smash Legend
i mean if having -4 MUs with every character in the game is good then every other character is ****ing amazing
crifer
Smash Lord
- jc item toss to usmash/dash attack/grab/whatever of course
- fullhop dthrow, catch the nana with cstick down while drifting a little bit away to jc item toss to usmash/dash attack/grab
- using bair´s shieldknockback to push them onto a nana to usmash/dash attack/grab
and i guess more things ^^
knuckles213
Smash Ace
don't forget the drop the nana (in front of the opponent) to an empty SH to grab (in front or behind of the oppenent) or drop the nana (in front of the opponent) to SH bair shield knock back to push them onto a nana (do behind them) to usmash/dash attack/grab; and if you can throw an utilt in there.
Hey Foxes!
I'm a Peach main and I was thinking about learning Fox as a secondary. Good idea? Completely stupid?
In any case, I've given the threads a read and was just wondering what I should work on first. I've tried doing the SHTL and Illusion Cancel with little luck... any advice with this? Thanks <3 <3 <3
I'm a Peach main and I was thinking about learning Fox as a secondary. Good idea? Completely stupid?
In any case, I've given the threads a read and was just wondering what I should work on first. I've tried doing the SHTL and Illusion Cancel with little luck... any advice with this? Thanks <3 <3 <3
knuckles213
Smash Ace
Said by Uzi:
PROS:
-No trouble Ko'ing
-Has Arguably the best Upsmash in the game
-one of the fastest characters
-Fastest Faller in the game(this can work against you also)
-Best reflector in the game
-Can out camp most of the cast
-Solid aerial game with multi-hit aerials
-Best recovery of all the spacies
CONS:
-7th lightest character
-Mediocre at approaching
-Fast falling makes him vulnerable to several CG's and locks
-Mediocre grab range
-Doesn't posses many long range moves
-A harder learning curve then many characters
-has a linear gameplay
Fox is a fast character. You always have to be moving and staying on your toes. You have to become fluent between switching between camping, aggression, and defense, as well when known when to implement each, to be successful with fox.
My words:
some just pick up for DK and D3, but other than that fox is only useful if your going to seriously main him, but I'd say ask TKD for the pros and cons
TKD's words
Fox is hard
Why? (you get rusty easy with him)
You have to play your risk vs reward, of course. You can't approach Falco before you have 28%, for example. There it's all baiting (for laggy stuff of his, or blocking on a platform in case he HS nair from below to shieldgrab it etc) and projectile game.
There's also situations like MK at the ledge. You can rarely attack that (the odds for that choice are astronomically out of your favor), so you don't.
You can't go against your odds. That's why also while just landing with aerial/airdodge would be the aggro/impatient choice, the odds are COMPLETELY AGAINST YOU that way and you should shine first.
Some things just make you out to lose. Those you shouldn't do, and it involves good defensive game, good recoveries and avoiding chaingrabs.
I considered going by your odds to be an obvious thing. When risk vs reward is balanced though, lately I've always found going for the counter options and surprises with constant action to do better than waiting things out. You only need 1 hit to follow up into a ton of damage.
The principles I recommend are these:
+ Always be doing something even if it's baiting. Constant action, no dead time.
+ Always go in favor of your odds (for example, your opponent in the air are extremely favorable odds: will you go follow up, or run away from him and shoot lasers?)
I understand it may be about the best of both worlds because you have to camp Ganondorf, HARD. We **** him but we can't really approach him. We have to wait at a range where we have time to react to his downb with our blocking. Well, that's what I think. One of the best Ganondorf players in the world lives in my region.
A counter example would be NAKAT vs Will though, where you've seen NAKAT camp all day, giving the opponent free positioning, and running away after landing a hit to shoot more lasers, instead of dealing major damage to a character that's very easy to combo for as long as possible. It CAN work, but it doesn't compare to optimum game play. Still, only change the fact that he should follow up every time he's in advantage, and maybe the style works.
This is like, DON'T GO AGGRO IF THE ODDS AREN'T IN YOUR FAVOR (you've just been hit, your opponent has momentum, you're on defense). You may hit your opponent in these situations, but it's unlikely.
GO AGGRO IF THE ODDS ARE IN YOUR FAVOR (you've just hit the opponent, you have the momentum, you're on offense). Your opponent may hit you in these situations, but it's unlikely and not very risky/damaging.
You also need to recognize counters. For example, Snake landing ftilt1 on you is actually neutral if he doesn't finish it. You can spam shieldgrab and grab him before he grabs you if he tries to do that, since his grab is slower. Jabs will work too, but I don't like panic jabbing as Fox because of his rapids. This is a situation where defense is bad, and offense is bad, but there's a good counter (although backroll will put you in safety often, and spotdodge MAY work).
Knowing your odds is essential.
Bing
Smash Master
wow that was a solid post Knuckles.
I love Fox and Completely agree with everything that he posted.
The only thing I dont agree with is the rust part. I dont think you get THAT rusty with him, but I can also see what he means.
I love Fox and Completely agree with everything that he posted.
The only thing I dont agree with is the rust part. I dont think you get THAT rusty with him, but I can also see what he means.
At high level if you dont play fox consistently you will get hella rusty. it is REALLY a pain, means you have to work at him for much longer.
I dont even understand
anyways just do the usual stuff. mario is really easy to deal with, just watch out for the cape when you are recovering.
NAKAT
Smash Champion
Meh camping is fun, my style has worked for so long so no need to change the way I play atm.
knuckles213
Smash Ace
ehh you and your campy fox
NAKAT
Smash Champion
Ehh oh well.
Pachinkosam
I have no friends, Im dead inside
no its' too dangerous. oh
Don Guero
Smash Journeyman
im picking up fox, how should i rack up damage early in a stock?