High School Mafia: A BRoom Game moved to DGames

[Matt]

So, people we know will be valuable:
Matt
CK
Eor
Mediocre
AltF4

People who are more active, and thus more of value because they provide material:
Goldshadow
Xsyven

People I don't know anything about, and are less active so far:
Marc
Omegawhitemage
KevinM
(I usually give people like this a pass the first round, since voting for them amounts to random.)

People I know who haven't posted yet:
Mic
Yeroc
Redcell

Vote: Goldshadow.

For reference, here is Scav's list, what I believe to be a very important piece of the puzzle.

I'm going to entertain the notion that Scav did not, in fact, have contact with the mafia, and that the mafia did not not know that he was the traitor, given their action in killing him. For the sake of this post, I believe he was targeted for implicating mafia members. The question is: Did he offend them by pointing to them as non-valuable players or as valuable players?

Though I realize I'm included in that valuable persons list, I'm actually most concerned with my fellow "valuables" and their loyalties. I'm supposing Scav knew as little as the rest of the townies about who may be mafia so early in the game, but it's not unreasonable to assume that his guesses of who might be playing the game too well struck a killing chord.

It's too early still to guess at the motives of CK, Eor, Mediocre, and AltF4 (although I still have my suspicious about Alt), I'd say our strongest lead to who is mafia would be the guy that Scav implicated directly: GOLDSHADOW!

And then again, this may all be an elaborate ruse to make us think Goldshadow is mafia. There's plenty of time yet to make my decision, and time for Goldie to defend himself!

Or initiate my killing in the next night phase. HMMM.

CLASS CLOWN?? I just enjoy a good joke! And now I will entertain the notion that this is funny:

What do you call a man that doesn't use contraceptives?


...




Daddy!


Eor's role must be the Conspirator. He's trying to throw us off with his crazy talk. CRAZY!

 

[Mediocre]

2) Scav was not in contact with mafia (and mafia did not know his identity/role). In this case, it would make sense to think about why he basically painted himself as a target; in other words, why he made a list and continually accused a number of members of being suspicious.

I have to disagree with Eor here.

I'd say that Matt's suggestion here is by far the most likely scenario. I am not at all surprised that the mafia would target Scav if they didn't know what his role was. He was a vocal and intelligent player. The mafia would probably find these qualities threatening.

From my understanding of the "traitor" role, the traitor cannot talk to the mafia at the beginning of the game. Sometimes the traitor will never be able to talk to the rest of the mafia. Sometimes he is able to investigate one player every night, hoping he stumbles across a mafia member. Either way, I think it is unlikely that he had had any contact with the mafia by this point in the game.

For those reasons, I think that it's most likely that the mafia killed Scav, thinking he was a townie.


Of course, there is another possibility. It's not out of the question that the mafia was roleblocked or docblocked, and a vigilante killed Scav. However, I really don't think there would be a vigilante character in a game this small, so I doubt that this scenario is what actually happened. Still, it's not out of the question.

3) Win conditions for his role. What was his goal? Does he win if mafia wins/town loses, even if he's dead? Does he win if town loses and he stays alive? In conjunction with the above 2 considerations, this could possibly explain the mafia's choice to kill him.

Generally, for these games, players win when their team wins. That means even if Scav is dead, and the mafia wins, he's still a winner. That's how it usually works, anyhow.



Also, I'm not any more suspicious of Goldshadow than I was before Scav was killed. Goldshadow is smart enough to realize that killing his most outspoken accuser would cast doubt upon himself.

I'm not saying that Goldshadow isn't mafia. I am saying that Scav's death doesn't convince me that he is.

 

[Crimson King]

Great, now I have a valid target on my back for the mafia. Awesome!

Oddly enough, I find Eor to be really trying hard to misguide us.

 

[Eor]

Oddly enough, I find Eor to be really trying hard to misguide us.

I don't think the mafia killed Scav. If anything, I think someone roleswapped, or something similar.

Yep trying so hard.

I assume the traitor was because he was mafia, not a role. I haven't played with a role like that called traitor, if so explain.

 

[Xsyven]

Mafia may not have known that Scav was Mafia, but does that mean Scav didn't know who Mafia was?

Maybe he was trying to protect them?

Matt
CK
Eor
Mediocre
AltF4

The list seems a tad big for Mafia, but that may have just been so to kill suspicions. Goldshadow and I are even on the other 'valuable players' list-- so I'm not really trying to put a target on my own back. I'm just pointing out that either way we look at it, it's pretty much useless.

 

[Eor]

The thing is, he'd have to be an idiot to make such an obvious list. One or more mafia might be on that list, but if he literally just listed the entire mafia there he'd be putting way too much at risk for too little gain.

 

[Tom]

Virgilijus replaces omegawhitemage.

 

[Virgilijus]

Hello, Gentlemen.

 

[Marc]

In Werewolf we used a role called Warlock, which I think is very similar to the Traitor. The Warlock didn't know who the Wolves were, but he was on their side. Every night he would investigate one person to find out if that person was a special of the other side. This was also my very first role ever.

Assuming this is the same, that means Scav didn't know anything on day 1. I think he just tried to play like he normally would. There isn't much to gain from trying to let the Mafia know who you are if you can't provide them with any info, you'd just risk other players picking up on it. He did pretty much provide the Mafia with a hit list, but they apparently didn't think much of it. If it was some crazy other role that killed him, we're not gonna find out shortly, so let's assume it was the Mafia.

Scav opted to go for the "no lynch" option, which is smart play IMO. He could've tried to get someone innocent killed, although he may have found the risk of killing a Mafia too high. He did "suspect" several people, I'm not sure if he tried to play normal or was pretty sure those people were innocent. Basically, his death doesn't leave us with much because it was so early.

 

[GoldShadow]

Vote Count [7/14 to lynch]
2: Goldshadow (Scav, Crimson King)
1: Mic_128 (Eor)
1: Eor (AltF4Warrior)
1: AltF4Warrior (Matt)
1: omegawhitemage (KevinM)
1: Mic_128 (Marc)

A deadline is set for Noon EST, Sunday, September 7th. (TOMORROW!)
At deadline, plurality counts as a majority lynch, so if you want to lynch no one, there must be a specific plurality for "vote: no lynch."

Scav opted to go for the "no lynch" option, which is smart play IMO. He could've tried to get someone innocent killed, although he may have found the risk of killing a Mafia too high. He did "suspect" several people, I'm not sure if he tried to play normal or was pretty sure those people were innocent. Basically, his death doesn't leave us with much because it was so early.

He voted for me

 

[Marc]

Since he was the one who really brought up the question when the deadline drew near, my memory got confused. ><

Yes, he did vote for you. I wonder if that's good for your position.

 

[GoldShadow]

As a pro-mafia role, I imagine his motive would have been to try and lynch those who he thought were townies.

 

[Mediocre]

Personally, I don't think Scav's attack on Goldshadow makes him any more or less likely to be town.

Scav didn't know who the mafia was. If he went after Goldshadow, that probably meant that he thought Goldshadow was town. No way to know for sure, but that's our best guess.

But even if Scav did think Goldshadow was town, that doesn't mean he is. Until we manage to lynch a full fledged mafioso and take a look at their voting record, we still have very little to go on.

More information than we had yesterday, of course, but still very little.

 

[Tom]

Wake up, class! :D

 

[Mic_128]

I'd make a joke vote against Tom but don't want everyone accusing me of being mafia. v.v

Spoiler

of course now everyone thinks I'm mafia because of that lst part

 

[<π]

I want to play~

 

[Marc]

My suspect list is still the same, not much has changed. I really think we should lynch someone this time, or every day will be like this. I'll probably vote GoldShadow, but I'm looking forward to seeing more posts.

 

[Virgilijus]

Hey guys! Since I haven't been able to say anything yet, I think now is a good time. I allready have a couple of opinions on things and would like to present them now.

Alt4 and Matt: obviously, Alt is a non conformist *******. And luckily, his role seems to also be along these lines so he's blended in really well. He is obviously the emo kid of the class and as such has an incredibly bleak outlook on life. Matt is trying to be the class clown: key word is "trying". Almost every post he has includes an incredibly cheesy joke in it. Looking at Tom nom nom nom's last mafia game (which I was also in), Tommy boy played the role of Jester where his win conditions are to be lynched during the day (he loses if night killed). Tom played this role to perfection and quickly convinced the majority of guys to lynch him first day and then was incredibly ecstatic about how well he did. As such, I am almost 100% positive he would include a Jester this time around too. I am also certain that our roles are based on what type of student we are (jock/nerd/bully/whatever). I feel both of these guys could be the Jester: Alt being so emo he wants to kill himself and Matt literally being the jester of the class. Personally, i don't know which one ot lean towards: Alt could be taking the "Let me be a douchebag to the point that everyone wants to kill me because life is just not worth living" approach. However, I would think he would post more to achieve this. Matt...well, Matt's just Matt and we all want to kill him so he doesn't really have to do too much except for tying to annoy us even further so we kill him.

I mention these two because if we scratch them down for Jester, we'll obviously be able to narrow down the people that are mafia (Jesters are considered independents) so the doctor and detective will have better chances when using their roles.

 

[Virgilijus]

****, I guess I didn't need to highlight it so many times

 

[Xsyven]

lol. It feels like an old

 

[Xsyven]

I pressed post instead of go advanced.

It feels like a Nintendo game, where pretty much the subject of every sentence is conveniently highlighted

 

[Virgilijus]

Quit mocking me Xysven

 

[Xsyven]

Spell my name right, Verjilijusss.

 

[Chill]

You know what? For the past month I've been looking at this thread title and all this time I thought it said High school musical.

 

[Eor]

Vote: Marc

Because I just realized your avatar spoils everything

 

[Marc]

Finally someone noticed. XD

I would've gone with a dead Aeris, but FF7 isn't nearly as cool as MGS.

 

[Eor]

I haven't played the game yet >: (

 

[Virgilijus]

Also, I believe CK is not mafia: if he were mafia or any other important role he would probably have had Tom switch him out with some one else rather than just voting himself out.

I also think Marc is not mafia...he legitimately seemed to want to keep Scav around for his deductive reasoning before he knew Scav was a traitor. That said, if he were mafia he probably wouldn't kill him.

Also, Alt could be a serial killer...emo punk >:^(

 

[Marc]

I haven't played the game yet >: (

In reality, it doesn't spoil much. Just play the game and let's talk about it when you're done. =] Also, your vote might become disturbing when the lynch draws near, so I hope you'll reconsider.

I also think Marc is not mafia...he legitimately seemed to want to keep Scav around for his deductive reasoning before he knew Scav was a traitor. That said, if he were mafia he probably wouldn't kill him.

Dangerous statement right there, you never know for sure with those "what if" scenarios. Good/Active players tend to keep each other around when they're Mafia because of some sense of honor or because they would stick out too much otherwise ("all good players dying except 1? hm..."), which is a more likely reason. This leads me to believe at least some of the Mafia are fairly bland players who don't stick out when players like Scav are gone. Taking Scav out would be the best choice for about anyone though, it was bad luck for the Mafia that he turned out to be the Traitor.

BTW, I liked your bit about the Jester role, it was new to me. Or were you just protecting your Mafia buddies? =p

 

[Virgilijus]

I protect no mafia!

*jots down Marc's name in notepad*

 

[Marc]

Oh noes.

Seriously though, it's the same names over and over. My suggestion would be to take out one of the inactive players. I haven't seen a convincing reason to kill anyone else and they're becoming more and more of a nuisance. This isn't that big of a game and time will become an issue shortly. I currently don't particularly care who it's gonna be, but I'll reread some stuff to make it more than a 50/50.

Inactives: Time to speak up or get yourself replaced, it ruins the game.

 

[Xsyven]

I honestly don't know what to say-- if I start to deduct some things, and post opinions, then I become a target. Tis scary.

 

[Virgilijus]

Everyone has a target on them: non posters may get gang voted by people with Marc's approach and the mafia may go after the more talkative. However, if our doc and detective get good enough advice from us then it may pay off in the end. Doesn't matter if you don't make it, just whether your team wins

 

[Marc]

Xsyven: By all means, post. Posting and lynch/night kill outcomes are all we have in this game. I'm well aware of the fact that people who post a lot become Mafia targets sooner or later, which is why I think it's really important to weed out the inactive ones earlier rather than later. It is as Virgilijus said, no one is safe.

 

[Matt]

I'm not really sure what to say given the lack of information we have still. I've already added my speculations, which were merely that.

I suppose I could take this opportunity to defend my role as not-the-jester-as-tom-was-in-his-last-mafia. Srsly guyz, if I wanted to be dead, I'd be dead by now. And what would I do as a dead player, haunt the bad guys?? Oooh spooky.

What's the urgency here? Can we get a deadline?

Hate to say it, but I'm losing interest pretty fast. =/

Obligatory joke.

 

[Virgilijus]

Matt, if you wanted to be dead...what the hell would you have done? No one has done anything and SCav got the ax because of it.

That and once you're lynched you win the game. That's quite the incentive.

And if I were revealed as the Joker and realize that no one was going to lynch me then I would get bored too.

With that assumption done, I believe Alt4 really is a serial killer. Just a hunch.

 

[Mic_128]

I don't know what to say, as there's no real information out there, and I don't want to make a comment and become a target again because I said something noob.

 

[Marc]

I don't know what to say, as there's no real information out there, and I don't want to make a comment and become a target again because I said something noob.

Too late, n00b.

Seriously though, getting called out on certain behaviour doesn't mean you should stop posting. If anything, learn from it. Especially in the early phases of the game, when there is very little to go on, people will make a big thing out of jokes etc. That's the game, you are constantly being tested, nobody trusts you.

 

[Tom]

Wake up, class!

Vote Count
Nobody has voted.
Plurality counts as a majority at end of day.
With 13 alive, it still takes a majority of 7 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Sunday, September 21st, Noon EST

 

[Mic_128]

That was a long recess. Got some studying though. Apparently nutmeg is extremely poisonous if injected intravenously.