Hierarchies of Power: The Ganon Community Tier List! (Updated October 8th 2017)

[-VictoriaJustice-]

Care to elaborate? Granted, we didn't play that many games, so I could afford look over your playstyle again, just remember we generally don't use equipment or items.

I feel like I have improved. Mostly low-B tier. Opana is a good friend of mine and I've beaten him in Ganon matches quite a few times, he wins mostly, but I put up a good fight.

 

[Xinc]

I feel like I have improved. Mostly low-B tier. Opana is a good friend of mine and I've beaten him in Ganon matches quite a few times, he wins mostly, but I put up a good fight.

Well, then. I'd like to have the opportunity to see where you are at, myself.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

@ Xinc @ A2ZOMG @ Ray_Kalm

If anyone's up for some games tonight, I'm in need of some serious lessons.

 

[Opana]

Justice has gotten better although I don't recall dropping a match last time we played. Regardless, he has improvd, I feel like he has more confidence in his actions and can commit to them. I think you should try and improve your edge guarding as from what I recall you rarely chased me. If you don't feel comfortable offstage then at least experiment with Nair, it's pretty damn safe and can net you some gimps. I noticed you usually turned to dair, which is pretty difficult to land especially if you haven't familiarized yourself offstage. You had some pretty good chain chokes going which can be extremely helpful; I recommend chain choking more when you have a hard time getting your hands on the opponent(Like in our matches) so you doing that was a good call. We'd need to play some more as I can't recall the entirety of our matches, but you've improved from what I can remember, although by how much I'm unsure.

I'd love a chance to fight Koskinator, I know he was a great Ganon back in brawl and I've been trying to fight all the greats and learn from them. I'd still like to play Z1GMA again too as I feel we've both improved since we played so long ago.

Sorry I haven't been on, I can read the board from mobile but can't respond unless I get a chance to hop on the Wii U. I don't have a PC running atm.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

@ Opana We should play as well, I'm free most evenings.

 

[Opana]

Yeah I'd like that, maybe next weekend? I'm EST

 

[Koskinator]

David33 is my id opana add me up

 

[_Magus_]

C Tier? Not bad. Now to work my way up!!! Prepare to defend your thrones, gentlemen!

Also, would like to add my tourney result of 6th overall in a 30-man wii u tourney.

 

[Opana]

@ Z1GMA ,it is clear you are above me. For awhile you were beating me down over and over, then I realized I wasn't being aggressive enough and did much better. I can't believe I was getting hit by so many smashes and even Warlock Punches. I remember you said you throw it out when you think you'll go unpunished and for the majority of the time you weren't. Can't believe some of those Ganoncides too, you caught me when I was fast falling fair and did that wizkick to ganoncide Kalm does. Towards the end they were pretty crazy matches, I have a hard to constantly being offensive but I do think it produces the best results for me. Also, as you can see I'm not too familiar with customs still lol, I don't mind if you leave them on next time though.

Anyway, GGs! Lots of fun and was a valuable learning experience.

 

[Z1GMA]

@ Z1GMA ,it is clear you are above me. For awhile you were beating me down over and over, then I realized I wasn't being aggressive enough and did much better. I can't believe I was getting hit by so many smashes and even Warlock Punches. I remember you said you throw it out when you think you'll go unpunished and for the majority of the time you weren't. Can't believe some of those Ganoncides too, you caught me when I was fast falling fair and did that wizkick to ganoncide Kalm does. Towards the end they were pretty crazy matches, I have a hard to constantly being offensive but I do think it produces the best results for me. Also, as you can see I'm not too familiar with customs still lol, I don't mind if you leave them on next time though.

Anyway, GGs! Lots of fun and was a valuable learning experience.

Thank you, sir. Your Stomp Chains, tho - good stuff, Opana.
Definitely gotta look more into those.
You're really strong when you've got momentum, but I think you should work a bit on your neutral game.

btw, did you see what happened in one of the later games? I Aerudo'd you through the middle of the top platform on BF. Any idea how that happened?

 

[Opana]

This will sound very newbish but what exactly is neutral? I mean I read up on lots of stuff but don't know specifically what the neutral is. Anyway, yes I try to keep the pressure because I have such a hard time getting in on skilled players.

@Swoops also uses dair really effectively if you're interested in playing him.

I've had that happen to me before using aerudo, posted about it but nothing came of it, likely because I can't provide video proof atm. Anyway, I believe if they press down to go through it before aerudo connects, even if you land on the platform they go through it while you stay on it assuming I'm right. I think it could have some use but it'd be pretty situational given the seemingly strict conditions. I think it's more useful for following up from it as you don't need to worry about shield.

 

[Blobface]

Neutral is when neither player has a distinct advantage over the other. Being in the air, on the ledge, offstage, or on a platform with someone below you are usually considered disadvantaged states, with the advantage being on the giving end of those.

Also, I know a few things can do weird stuff with Aerudo. I think that if anything else is affecting Ganon's velocity, the vertical velocity gets "out prioritized". I know windboxes cause him to go straight down.

 

[Opana]

That's what I thought, thank you. So that'd mean work on putting myself into more advantageous positions while avoiding disadvantageous ones?

 

[Koskinator]

Opana wanna play?

 

[_Magus_]

Thank you, sir. Your Stomp Chains, tho - good stuff, Opana.
Definitely gotta look more into those.
You're really strong when you've got momentum, but I think you should work a bit on your neutral game.

btw, did you see what happened in one of the later games? I Aerudo'd you through the middle of the top platform on BF. Any idea how that happened?

Seen that before. Apparently if you aerudo from the mid platform to the top it pops the victim below. Not a very advantageous position though.

 

[Opana]

Opana wanna play?

I have maybe 20min, sure. Request was sent.

EDIT: I actually don't think I have enough time, sorry.

 

[Koskinator]

Rooms upppppp

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Neutral is when neither player has a distinct advantage over the other. Being in the air, on the ledge, offstage, or on a platform with someone below you are usually considered disadvantaged states, with the advantage being on the giving end of those.

@ Opana

The neutral is when both players are in an even field from one another trying to play to gain stage control, same characters excel better in neutral (Captain Falcon is an example), this is due to many factors.

Here's a video explaining it in detail;

 

[Vermanubis]

Anyway, yes I try to keep the pressure because I have such a hard time getting in on skilled players.

That's pretty much all neutral is. A good neutral game, as I see it, is tantamount to not needlessly overextending, being patient and knowing the optimal responses for particular movement options, e.g. knowing how to push people into bad positions without actually hitting them, not throwing out a whole lot of punishable moves for spacing, etc.

 

[Koskinator]

Opana not joininggg kalm wifi? Im hungryyy

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Opana not joininggg kalm wifi? Im hungryyy

On the Wii U?

 

[Koskinator]

Yeah wii u David33 is my id

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Good games Kosk. You're extremely good with tipman and usmash, and you're a very defensive Ganon so to speak!

 

[Koskinator]

Well i clearly need more practice in dittos, cant seem to figure you out :'(

 

[Xinc]

@ Xinc @ A2ZOMG @ Ray_Kalm

If anyone's up for some games tonight, I'm in need of some serious lessons.

I'm only on 3-ds for the time being until May (and prefer not to play tonight because work) tomorrow?

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I'm only on 3-ds for the time being until May (and prefer not to play tonight because work) tomorrow?

Until there's a gamecube controller adapter for the 3DS, I think it would do more harm than good for me to practice on that, haha. I haven't actually touched it since the WiiU version came out.

 

[Xinc]

Until there's a gamecube controller adapter for the 3DS, I think it would do more harm than good for me to practice on that, haha. I haven't actually touched it since the WiiU version came out.

Smart. I only play there because Wii U is on the other side of the country.

 

[jmanup85]

I can play on 3ds or wii u a bit

 

[Opana]

Good stuff guys, thanks for the explanation. Looking back at my matches with z1g I see I was too reckless and willing to go into disadvantageous positions.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i wish i played smash 4 more.

 

[the king of murder]

I feel like I improved a bit. Anyone with a 3ds want to test me?

 

[Vermanubis]

i wish i played smash 4 more.

Хватит желать! Просто играй, чувак! Нет повода не играть, не так ли?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Хватит желать! Просто играй, чувак! Нет повода не играть, не так ли?

аааа ни за что. никто не играет здесь (
there is only melee here

 

[Vermanubis]

аааа ни за что. никто не играет здесь (
there is only melee here

Ааа... сочувствую

Но, я надеюсь, что ты придёшь к нам в конце концов

 

[Xinc]

I feel like I improved a bit. Anyone with a 3ds want to test me?

Maybe 1 hour before the patch

 

[the king of murder]

Maybe 1 hour before the patch

You know, I was playing some FG and it was even more laggy than usual probably because of maintenance work so I guess playing before the patch is not a good idea.

I will be back though.

 

[Xinc]

You know, I was playing some FG and it was even more laggy than usual probably because of maintenance work so I guess playing before the patch is not a good idea.

I will be back though.

Sure thing, Terminator, Jr.

 

[sphenco]

I see Opana being in the top 10

 

[A2ZOMG]

I see Opana being in the top 10

Yeah I think with who we know, we mostly agree on that. Opana is pretty solid.

 

[A2ZOMG]

@ Opana and @ Z1GMA you should challenge Papaya. I need more impressions to confirm it, but I think he's similar in skill level to you guys overall. He's gotten noticeably better since the last time I played him, and I'm thinking he's generally talented enough that he could be argued A tier. At the very least, I think he's clearly better than me, even though I'm able to take games off him, he wins more often, and usually more convincingly.

He plays Ganon quite aggressively, in contrast to my defensive playstyle. I think Opana you might find some similarities in how he plays compared to you.