HERB discussion Thread *NEW STUFF FIRST POST*

[Flamingo]

Brawl+ is not that competitve yet.

Lolz at snakes f tilt to f tilt to f tilt to f tilt combo.. 50+ damage??

I think we should have it at the tournament like last time, but make people specifically sign up for it if they want to... not just stick everyone who just paid the door fee in it. There were a lot of forfeits and confusion due to the many melee players who weren't interested in it at all. I say if we have like 3 setups dedicated to B+, we should definately not have a problem if we start at a decent hour.

I would like to see this game get competitive. It has potential in the long run, and is very fun as it is now IMO.

But if it were to hinder regular Brawl Singles or Doubles, or just not have enough entrants altogether, I would say scrap the idea.

 

[KillerSOS]

It just slows everything down =(

If we have enough setups then sure why not though.

 

[xX'Mitsurugi'Xx]

15$ for singles? Wow, I'm gonna have to try this time. o.O I'm guessing the snake hate in brawl+ is my fault. xD

 

[Flamingo]

heh, good guess.

Mits, maroon letters are a wh*re to read. Highlight ftw.

 

[Foxy]

my custom windows theme makes the highlight color into something very unfriendly to maroon.

therefore i can't read it at all.

 

[Vilt]

But if it were to hinder regular Brawl Singles or Doubles, or just not have enough entrants altogether, I would say scrap the idea.

Since we have sooooooo many people coming for brawl, it will hinder it alot. So no deal on that.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

I'm an inspiration to all NC Smashers.

I wanted to learn TL because I loved Wind Waker and I loved Ylink from melee. I never bothered to pick him.

I think I may have to. Is Toon Link to Brawl what CF is to Melee for NC?

 

[Smith]

I wanted to learn TL because I loved Wind Waker and I loved Ylink from melee. I never bothered to pick him.

I think I may have to. Is Toon Link to Brawl what CF is to Melee for NC?

Yes! If you play Brawl, You must play Toon Link :D Besides, if you don't, it doesn't feel like your playing melee.

Spoiler

Yes, Toon Link makes it feel like Melee.

 

[ph00tbag]

But Snake gets it every time... Oh well its a fun game but I still like regular brawl alot more.

Fox FTW

The real reason Snake is gay: at over 50%, if you can time it right, check this mofo out.

ftilt first hit -> jab reset -> fsmash

Yup. Basically, if you're over 50%, you MUST TECH EVERY FTILT. Otherwise you're screwed.

 

[Foxy]

isn't snake's jab far too tall to hit a lot of medium-small sized characters on the ground?

 

[OmniOstrich]

The real reason Snake is gay: at over 50%, if you can time it right, check this mofo out.

ftilt first hit -> jab reset -> fsmash

Yup. Basically, if you're over 50%, you MUST TECH EVERY FTILT. Otherwise you're screwed.

iirc SDI says no, the jab wont connect.

isn't snake's jab far too tall to hit a lot of medium-small sized characters on the ground?

yes, but the ftilt bounces you so it might hit them in this scenario

EDIT: I'm going to test this right now

 

[KillerSOS]

Lol... let me know Ben.

Snake is too pro.

 

[ph00tbag]

iirc SDI says no, the jab wont connect.

Go ahead and SDI one ftilt, which is usually oos, against moves that are poorly spaced, which less hitlag than in vBrawl, using a large character, which Snake will probably be using this on. Sure, this is escapable, but then a lot of stuff that still works a lot is.

It works against big characers, but not medium sized to small ones, but since big characters generally require more work to KO anyway, its utility goes up.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Yes! If you play Brawl, You must play Toon Link :D Besides, if you don't, it doesn't feel like your playing melee.

Spoiler

Yes, Toon Link makes it feel like Melee.

I'll give him a shot.

They should have given him the Skull Hammer, though.


I demand that in the next Smash, DK's Fsmash have the wind effect where even if he doesn't hit you, the wind he from his hands connecting pushes you back. That'd be tank.

 

[Vilt]

Votes people. Pictochat CP? Yeah, no?

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Votes people. Pictochat CP? Yeah, no?

God yes, I love that **** stage.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I'm thumbs-downing pictochat.

 

[Smith]

Hate Picto Chat.

LETS SEE SOME GREEN GREENS.

 

[Smith]

I'll give him a shot.

They should have given him the Skull Hammer, though.


I demand that in the next Smash, DK's Fsmash have the wind effect where even if he doesn't hit you, the wind he from his hands connecting pushes you back. That'd be tank.

They should have... but how would it even work out?

 

[PolMex23]

please no picto

nay on infinites just like melee

no on Pk Stadium 2 please god...

ban Mks...

ty

 

[Smith]

please no picto

nay on infinites just like melee

no on Pk Stadium 2 please god...

ban Mks...

ty

ban mk?

wat?

 

[PolMex23]

Joke, joke.

But everything else yes

 

[Argyris]

If we have Japes, we should have Pictochat as well.

My vote is, of course, for Pictochat to be legal.

 

[PolMex23]

wow BAN JAPES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Auto win for falco, ....please ban it.

Id rather have picto than japes....for the love of...

If Tommy G heres that japes isnt banned hes coming to this tourney an taking top 3....

 

[BEHR]

I wanna Ban Japes and Picto i'll talk to Vilt about it today.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Goooood idea.

 

[lord karn]

yeah just ban all the gay stages

 

[ph00tbag]

yeah just ban all the gay stages

But... but... Rainbow Cruise!!!

 

[Argyris]

yeah just ban all the gay stages

Lemme strike out all of the gay stages on Stingers' list...

Neutral
Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island

Counterpick
Castle Siege Walk off areas
Delfino Plaza Walk off areas and water areas
Halberd Hazards
Lylat Cruise
Pokémon Stadium 1 Walls and Windmill
Frigate Orpheon Stage flipping
Norfair Lava
Rainbow Cruise Ph00t explained this one perfectly
Jungle Japes River and River God
Brinstar Lava/Acid

Banned
Green Greens Wall infinites, apples, and bombs
Corneria Wall
Luigi's Mansion Ceiling and stalling
Pictochat Changing field and lethal hazards

Wow... Five stages...

 

[OmniOstrich]

Lemme strike out all of the gay stages on Stingers' list...

Wow... Five stages...

Just....no....

Neutral Stages
- Small or Medium sized boundaries
- One solid floor of appropriate length
- No vertical walls
- No solid ceilings
- No walk-off platforms
- No screen scrolling
- No environmental damage
- No stage elements that disrupt competitive play

Final Destination
Battlefield
Smashville
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)

Counterpick Stages
- Stage movement that is not overly disruptive
- Short-term walls
- Short-term ceilings
- Short-term walk offs
- Predictable and/or minor short-term environmental damage

Lylat
Brinstar
Delfino
Castle Siege
Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 1
Rainbow Cruise
Frigate Orpheon
Norfair

Banned Stage Classification
- Permanent walk offs
- Unpredictable and/or fatal environmental damage
- Permanent walls
- Permanent ceilings
- Size that promotes excessive camping
- Extreme blast zones
- Excessive stage movement
- Highly disruptive stage elements (Skyworld)

 

[Dr Peepee]

Gay and banned aren't the same thing to everyone, Omni. Chillllll

 

[Argyris]

Perhaps I should have elaborated more. The point I was trying to get at was that being "gay" is not a reason to ban a stage, since it could mean different things to different people. Sorry about that, I'll try to explain a little more next time.

 

[PolMex23]

Just....no....

Neutral Stages
- Small or Medium sized boundaries
- One solid floor of appropriate length
- No vertical walls
- No solid ceilings
- No walk-off platforms
- No screen scrolling
- No environmental damage
- No stage elements that disrupt competitive play

Final Destination
Battlefield
Smashville
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)

Counterpick Stages
- Stage movement that is not overly disruptive
- Short-term walls
- Short-term ceilings
- Short-term walk offs
- Predictable and/or minor short-term environmental damage

Lylat
Brinstar
Delfino
Castle Siege
Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 1
Rainbow Cruise
Frigate Orpheon
Norfair

Banned Stage Classification
- Permanent walk offs
- Unpredictable and/or fatal environmental damage
- Permanent walls
- Permanent ceilings
- Size that promotes excessive camping
- Extreme blast zones
- Excessive stage movement
- Highly disruptive stage elements (Skyworld)

agreed, an take infinites off please...

 

[KillerSOS]

Just no Japes... pleasassssse?

 

[OmniOstrich]

Just no Japes... pleasassssse?

It wasn't on my list. I actually took of pictochat, even though there are only 2/27 transformations that are actually lethal.

 

[Ragnar0k]

Something should be done about planking.

Omni left Final D out of his neutrals lol.

Pictochat for counterpick.

 

[OmniOstrich]

Something should be done about planking.

Omni left Final D out of his neutrals lol.

Pictochat for counterpick.

No i didnt...its the first one on there look at the quote polmex made >_>

 

[Ragnar0k]

haha oops.

Still, there's is a very serious problem in the smash community that could cause the end of the world. That problem is planking.

 

[Collective of Bears]

I agree wholeheartedly with Omni's list.

 

[lord karn]

Omni's list seems pretty good.