Gurren Lagann Mafia - Game Over - Who Lost the Most?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Maybe this will get things going?

unvote
vote: JTB

Not even that, tbro, i'm starting to think he's the JTB from FMP.

 

[Gova]

T-Block wasn't in FMP.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

no, i'm just making comparison, JTB did alot of lurking in FMP and me and kuz really drilled him on his inconsistencies when he eventually flipped town, just mulling it if you will.

 

[Boatchouli]

At the pace this game is going, I would say 3.5 days is running out of time.

Guess you missed my 111 in your re-read:



Agreed on X1-12 being as scummy as JTB, but pushing X1-12 doesn't make this game move like pushing JTB does. Plus, X1 just got back from V/LA, so I'll be expecting a post from him soon, whereas JTB, as far as I know, has no such excuse. And look, I got a response from him ^ =o

What's your plan, Boat? Joey lynch seems unlikely because people insist on dismissing his scumminess as just bad play.

Bzzt! Wrong. 3.5 days is a lot of time. You're *****ing about activity when it was the ****ing weekend. I don't know where the hell you got that. It's more than enough time to reach an informed decision rather than simply jumping one inactive because "everyone seems to like a JTB lynch."

Good, you think X1 is scummy. That's great, why didn't you push more on that, hombre? While I'm on the subject, where in the world are you getting this line about a JTB wagon giving us more information than an X1 wagon? If X1 is coming back, then why in the world would you say an inactive would give us more information? Even an X1 mislynch where he comes back and participates will give us more information after his flip than a JTB lynch. If he doesn't, then we have the same amount of information. That line doesn't fly.

Now, I'm not singing JTB's praises over here, but I do not understand why you think he's the obvious choice today when there's so much more relevant information on the table
that you apparently haven't considered.

How is a Joey lynch not feasible right now? I can easily be convinced, Laundry appears to agree with it, it already has two votes. JTB and X1 will both join if push comes to shove, so where are you getting that?

Once again, I'm wary of putting you anywhere more than null.

 

[Raziek]

I'm in the middle of some work on a Smash community video, but I think I'm going to do a re-read a bit later. Only ones we haven't heard from are JTB and Zen?

More thoughts later.

 

[Boatchouli]

My avatar fits perfectly then!

No but seriously, I never questioned your X1 scum read, he's also one of mine, but I'm just curious why you suddenly flipped off Joey like that.

Because he needed pressure and no one was looking at him.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

So what do you think of his most recent post?

 

[Boatchouli]

X1, you first flurry of posts imply that your scum reads were TBlock, WL, and possibly myself. I'm not going to ***** around because you haven't specifically said X is my read because god knows I could never talk about some people's stances.

Your points on Joey are fair and valid. Easy to parrot, but fair and valid. Your inactivity is murdering your ability to be current at all.

Why do you care how much TBlock read of DKR? Yes, I want that answer more than I want TBlock's response.

So if I say, "Guys, this is a rule," when in fact it isn't a rule, then that's an inconsistency and I should be scum for it? Or even, "Joey must die," then Glyph throws a tantrum and demands to be lynched and I oblige him, does that make me scum? You're not explaining at ALL why that inconsistency is a scum tell and why I should care. You're just putting it there and trying to label it as important when it is trivial and just something to side track me from issues that do actually matter.

 

[Boatchouli]

Not sure if i like the sudden rage given off WL, but i'll take it as null.

Are you trying to die? Why would you imply that you think it's scummy (which it isn't at all) then contradict the entire tone of your sentence by saying it's null.

Pro-tip: It looks like you're covering your ***.

 

[Boatchouli]

X1, you first flurry of posts imply that your scum reads were TBlock, WL, and possibly myself. I'm not going to ***** around because you haven't specifically said X is my read because god knows I could never talk about some people's stances.

Your points on Joey are fair and valid. Easy to parrot, but fair and valid. Your inactivity is murdering your ability to be current at all.

Why do you care how much TBlock read of DKR? Yes, I want that answer more than I want TBlock's response.

So if I say, "Guys, this is a rule," when in fact it isn't a rule, then that's an inconsistency and I should be scum for it? Or even, "Joey must die," then Glyph throws a tantrum and demands to be lynched and I oblige him, does that make me scum? You're not explaining at ALL why that inconsistency is a scum tell and why I should care. You're just putting it there and trying to label it as important when it is trivial and just something to side track me from issues that do actually matter.

EBWOP: This is wrt #398 in case anyone wants to be stupid.
People seem to like being stupid in mafia.

 

[Boatchouli]

So what do you think of his most recent post?

I think I'll get to that when I get to that.

 

[Boatchouli]

I don't like how Joey stopped being a topic of interest and disappeared off the face of the Earth.

 

[asianaussie]

Can't be bothered finding boat's post to quote, but I'm revising most of what I previously stated.

You were right, joey was the one blowing stuff out of proportion with his angry posting. It was a needless overreaction to the gambit, which I honestly didn't see malicious intent behind: in fact, I first thought he was just pissed off with the annoying posting style so he put that in as a joke to have it stopped.

When I said misunderstanding I meant joey was making misunderstandings: the one that stood out were how he kept stating people were saying lying was a town-tell (it's bad play, definitely).

What really hit me was the way he sort of faded away slowly as boat came to justify the gambit and as WL made him realise nobody was saying lying was a town tell...I think that he looks like he's gone real passive now, slipping out of sight. One thing stands out though. Amidst the ._. posts, he also responded to one last post by T-block to tie up that last loose end - the person most likely to questioning him. Seems like a good way to slip under the radar after some pretty off play.

I want to look at the connections between T-block and Joey though - did T-block ever indicate Joey was scum openly? Joey has had a town read on T-block the whole time.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Votecount 1.4 [7/13]

Soupamario [0]
Glyph [0]
Zen [0]
Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth) [0]
asianaussie [0]
Lovably Adorable Kanine (RR/Ranmaru) [0]
Gova [0]
JTB [3] - LAK, Raziek, T-block
WashedLaundry [0]
T-block [0]
Raziek [0]
X1-12 [2] - Boatchouli, WL
JO_Oey [1] - X1

Not Voting [7] - JTB, Glyph, Zen, asianaussie, Gova, Soup, Joey

Deadline has been set to July 15th at 11:59 PM EST!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Are you trying to die? Why would you imply that you think it's scummy (which it isn't at all) then contradict the entire tone of your sentence by saying it's null.

Pro-tip: It looks like you're covering your ***.

I've seen washed get mad like this before, regardless of alignment, granted, it was un-needed but it's null point.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't like how Joey stopped being a topic of interest and disappeared off the face of the Earth.

just like half the players here

 

[T-block]

K Boat... I think we have a misunderstanding here lol

I'll clear it up tomorrow if I don't get to it tonight.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Sup AA? got any scumpicks?
tbro, i got a feeling of connection between you and wl, give me a read on him.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Joey has requested replacement, contacting tandora.

 

[T-block]

-_____________________________-'

 

[T-block]

I have got next to nothing from JTB, it's almost like he refuses to do something, the case is there, but the person to pressure it, is not.

I don't agree to the Joey case either, as explained multiple times.

the X1 case is a bit bothersome, but i'd have to look into it.

Reads -

Town -
Raziek
Boatchouli
LAK
WL

Null -
Zen
T-block
Joey (leaning town)
X1

Not here -
Glyph
aa

Scum -
JTB until he ****ing responds to something.

Explain the Zen null read, when he's been as absent as Glyph and AA.

 

[T-block]

Can I get back to you on it?

Any follow-up to this?

 

[T-block]

K I'm caught up on my re-read.

I'll respond to Boat's 404, AA's 413, and Soup's 418 tomorrow.

@X1: Also want to know why you care about how much I read about DKR.

 

[X1-12]

@WL: While I was still posting wrt: the marshy thing it wasn't at all clear in my mind people were joking. I made a point against it in a humorous way then had to spend a couple of posts explaining it because people didn't get it. You suspect I have an ulterior motive for my posts on the marshy wagon? What is that motive??

X1, you first flurry of posts imply that your scum reads were TBlock, WL, and possibly myself. I'm not going to ***** around because you haven't specifically said X is my read because god knows I could never talk about some people's stances.

Your points on Joey are fair and valid. Easy to parrot, but fair and valid. Your inactivity is murdering your ability to be current at all.

Why do you care how much TBlock read of DKR? Yes, I want that answer more than I want TBlock's response.

So if I say, "Guys, this is a rule," when in fact it isn't a rule, then that's an inconsistency and I should be scum for it? Or even, "Joey must die," then Glyph throws a tantrum and demands to be lynched and I oblige him, does that make me scum? You're not explaining at ALL why that inconsistency is a scum tell and why I should care. You're just putting it there and trying to label it as important when it is trivial and just something to side track me from issues that do actually matter.

"Guys this is a rule" is obviously a gambit, "Joey must die" has conviction and has been followed up. T-block deciding to stick with soup then suddenly flopping to another has no conviction or follow up and suggests he doesn't actually care about who he lynches.

@Ryker &T-block: If I told you it would defeat the point of the question. Answer me how much you read about and how much you know about DKR mafia, reasons will become clear afterwards.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Tandora replaces Joey

Welcome to the Gurren Lagann universe, Tandora.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Explain the Zen null read, when he's been as absent as Glyph and AA.

that's why he's null, however, zen tends to lurk, i'll give him time.

 

[th3kuzinator]

A one day extension will be granted due to crashboards and the 502s. New deadline is in the thread title.

 

[T-block]

Yay we're back.

@X1: Fine. I read the entire game of DKR.

The push on Soup was only a way to get the day started, since I didn't like starting it with the marshy crap. It's not my style to push a policy lynch D1, no matter how deserving the player is. Capital letters of my post 41 spell FALSE. I dropped the Soup thing once other stuff started happening.

About the marshy thing, I'm fine with X1 taking issue with the fact that people went along with the wagon - trigger roles where something happens with a word is said or something aren't unheard of, right? I dislike that when he came back into the game he decided to put such heavy focus on that though.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Lovably Adorable Kanine will be prodded.

 

[T-block]

Bzzt! Wrong. 3.5 days is a lot of time. You're *****ing about activity when it was the ****ing weekend. I don't know where the hell you got that. It's more than enough time to reach an informed decision rather than simply jumping one inactive because "everyone seems to like a JTB lynch."

Good, you think X1 is scummy. That's great, why didn't you push more on that, hombre? While I'm on the subject, where in the world are you getting this line about a JTB wagon giving us more information than an X1 wagon? If X1 is coming back, then why in the world would you say an inactive would give us more information? Even an X1 mislynch where he comes back and participates will give us more information after his flip than a JTB lynch. If he doesn't, then we have the same amount of information. That line doesn't fly.

Now, I'm not singing JTB's praises over here, but I do not understand why you think he's the obvious choice today when there's so much more relevant information on the table
that you apparently haven't considered.

How is a Joey lynch not feasible right now? I can easily be convinced, Laundry appears to agree with it, it already has two votes. JTB and X1 will both join if push comes to shove, so where are you getting that?

Once again, I'm wary of putting you anywhere more than null.

First of all, I voted JTB to get the game moving, but not necessarily to a JTB lynch or claim. As you said, we do still have time - I said we were running out because we were moving at a very slow pace (I did fail to take into account that we were coming off a weekend, plus I was bored at work). I NEVER said he was the "obvious choice".

I also never said JTB lynch would give more information than an X1 lynch.

When I voted JTB, you were the only one who seemed to follow me on the case. Soup had him as null-leaning town. AA had said he didn't see anything scummy and hadn't re-read yet. LAK said he didn't agree with the case. Gova said the case had legit points, but that it might just be Joey being sporadic. WL was sorta there, but hadn't said anything more than he wasn't liking Joey's responses. Raziek had him as town on a gut read (more on that later -_-). X1 hadn't weighed in on Joey yet. Anyone else wasn't around. The support I saw was only from you, Boat, and WL, and there was no shortage of people defending Joey either.

I never did truly drop the Joey issue, and he is probably still my preferred lynch for the day. Notice that I questioned Raziek quite a bit about his stance on Joey, and also explicitly asked the inactives what their stance on Joey was.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup had him as null-leaning town

no, i have Joey as null-leaning town.

JTB is scum.

 

[T-block]

@Soup: That whole paragraph was about Joey, so yeah, that's what I said.

Let's do this then.

unvote
vote: Tandora

I just remembered he replaced out. The replacement is null to me (did he give a reason?), and I'm still okay with the lynch because we're lynching him for being scummy, not for being inactive. Plus, I don't want to deal with a replacement (sorry Tandora ;_

 

[T-block]

Can't be bothered finding boat's post to quote, but I'm revising most of what I previously stated.

You were right, joey was the one blowing stuff out of proportion with his angry posting. It was a needless overreaction to the gambit, which I honestly didn't see malicious intent behind: in fact, I first thought he was just pissed off with the annoying posting style so he put that in as a joke to have it stopped.

When I said misunderstanding I meant joey was making misunderstandings: the one that stood out were how he kept stating people were saying lying was a town-tell (it's bad play, definitely).

What really hit me was the way he sort of faded away slowly as boat came to justify the gambit and as WL made him realise nobody was saying lying was a town tell...I think that he looks like he's gone real passive now, slipping out of sight. One thing stands out though. Amidst the ._. posts, he also responded to one last post by T-block to tie up that last loose end - the person most likely to questioning him. Seems like a good way to slip under the radar after some pretty off play.

I want to look at the connections between T-block and Joey though - did T-block ever indicate Joey was scum openly? Joey has had a town read on T-block the whole time.

Yes, I did several times. I'd bring up quotes if SWF weren't being so slow. If you're having trouble finding them let me know. Here's 311 though:

Joey is scum for being inconsistent in his behaviour towards Boat, which suggests scum motivation for his attack, and for his subsequent defense, which exposes more inconsistencies and towards the end resorts to misrepresenting the case against him in an attempt to undermine the attacker.

 

[JTB]

Now that searching is reenabled, I'm working on this game.

I don't like Soups constant flip flops in stances on me. First I'm scum, then I'm playing up to my town meta from FMP, then I'm scum again. What's going on bro?

I just tried to change pages, so I can't read anymore and have to work with that I know off the top of my head.

AA, who ARE your scum picks? All you have done is comment on Joey v T-block. It's good that you think they are town, but what about scum?

I don't like the intro posts by Glyph and Zen. Both of them displayed buddying in them and have yet to actually participate in the game. It's a null read, but I'll be paying attention to them when they become active.

Back to waiting for 502 to go away.

 

[T-block]

Sup AA? got any scumpicks?
tbro, i got a feeling of connection between you and wl, give me a read on him.

WL is town. He asks good questions and makes good prods, and his thinking lines up well with mine.

that's why he's null, however, zen tends to lurk, i'll give him time.

My question was why your reads look like this:

Null - Zen
Not here - Glyph
Not here - AA

This is post 348. Zen had done nothing more than Glyph or AA had, so why does he get "Null" instead of "Not here"?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't like Soups constant flip flops in stances on me. First I'm scum, then I'm playing up to my town meta from FMP, then I'm scum again. What's going on bro?

Confliction, i'm trying to get a read on you but there's too many variables to get one, i wanna believe your meta is indeed town but there's so much i don't like about you, and to be honest, i find what i don't like about you more important than the meta.

 

[T-block]

Let's take a look at Raziek...

Justifying his lack of action:

• 193 - says he wants to do more, but is waiting on an explanation from Boat; using the inactivity of others as justification for not scumhunting?
• 235 - defends that, saying he doesn't feel it necessary to be involved with every interaction; however, this post reads as bad play rather than scummy play to me
• 340 - says he is comfortable with where most players sit now; says he is not going to push without hearing from inactives; again hiding behind the inactivity of other players?

There is very little that is pro-active and a lot that is reactive in Raziek's play. This is not the townRaziek I saw in SMRPG, although I don't think I want to give too much weight to meta in Raziek's case. For now, I'll just note that this is potentially scummy behaviour.

Defense of Joey:

• 193 - says he wants to do more, but is waiting on an explanation from Boat; I had already posted my case on Joey, and Joey had even already responded, yet he does not weigh in here
• 226 - says that Joey did not follow him; no stance offered
• 235 - claims he has already weighed in on Joey, although this is the first time we are seeing a stance from him, and it comes only after I explicitly ask for it; says Joey is leaning town here - only reason offered is that there is nothing suggesting he is scummy
• 272 - dismisses the case against him as being based mostly on meta - misrepresentation of the attack, as case on him is not based on meta at all; says it doesn't feel malicious
• 282 - acknowledges that the defense was poor, but still says he does not see malicious intent behind his posting
• 338 - again, the exchange makes him feel Joey is town; says he is getting town vibes from it; also says Joey never pushed Boat because he thought he was scummy, when he clearly did
• 347 - town vibes; seems to focus on defending the reasoning behind Joey's push on Boat, even though the case on Joey is for inconsistencies in that push, not the push itself
• 350 - Town lean as a gut read

In the beginning, Raziek defends Joey while never actually saying that he thinks he is town. Instead, he points out little inaccuracies with the smaller accusations against Joey (note that following was never a main point against Joey) and tries to pass that off as a weigh-in on Joey (235). He then insists on a town read based on gut reads telling him what he feels Joey is, and basically dismisses the logic behind it in favour of calling it bad play, based on that gut read.

Interestingly, I think this section holds no matter what Joey flips. scumJoey would mean he could be defending his partner; townJoey would mean he could be aiming for town cred on the flip. I defended townRR as scum in exactly the same way for town cred in SMRPG. To be clear, my issue with his defense of Joey is not that I think Joey is scum - it's that his case only a feel/gut read, and he is dismissing all logic brought up against Joey.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Now I'm the big dummy.

 

[Boatchouli]

Unvote Vote: T-Block

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Hmm...that's a good story, Glyph.

Not sure if I believe you though.

So that story means nothing to you in the context of this game, right?

(haven't read anything, been a workin' man these past few days)