Grev Monthly XII - TBA

[stabbedbyanipple]

I definitely miconstrued your post Adam and I may not be open-minded about this...

...but does it always have to be about a cash reimbursement? What about the fact that you're helping the tournament run faster and getting the chance to play more matches youself because there are more open TVs? What about the fact that you're enriching everyone's experience at the tournament? Doesn't it give you that warm fuzzy feeling inside?

 

[Adam M!]

If it wasn't about any of that I wouldn't have brought 1-2 setups to nearly every single tournament I've ever attended for four years, would I?!

Well, maybe I would, but that'd just be crazy! Actions speak louder than words =P

And it doesn't give me any of that fuzzy feeling because I feel unappreciated! That's why when I "quit" the scene, the few tournies I showed up to I never brought any setups! Then the only comments people like Joseph (mango) would make would be, Oh P we miss your TVs! See my point? Why would ish like that give me a warm, fuzzy feeling? Being used isn't cool!

And thank you for your reasonable response Matt =). It takes a man to be honest with himself!

 

[chiZZLeSD]

LOL i pulled a jkun -__- uhh...

why do you feel the two are mutually exclusive? religion is made by man! the bible is man's interpretation of god's word! you are agreeing with me!

the reason i feel religion and man are two different things is because of how i define (or maybe i should say "describe") religion.to me religion is the set of beliefs that someone has regarding the origins or nature of like...the universe?lol ..its true religion is created by man but that doesnt necessarily mean religion is man.if you'd allow my comparison...we are creations of God, but that doesnt mean we, ourselves, are gods

you don't need to be religious to have faith! religion is man imo! why do you believe the two are separate?

hmm...this one is kind of tricky to address."you dont have to be 'religious' to have faith" is a true statement in the sense that you dont have to adhere to a certain denomination's traditions in order to consider yourself or be considered as a believer.i would argue though that religion isnt man for the reasons stated above.i g2g right now though so i'll come back and elaborate when i get off school/work or something lol

 

[Kira-]

the bible is man's interpretation of god's word!

No, people may misinterpret the words, but the Bible itself is God's word.

but honestly it's like a 10:1 ratio of people who like me to dislike me. you can feel free to dislike me but you're going to feel silly one day when you realize everyone else likes me! you may view me negatively but why do i still think positively of you? why is the negativity only on one end? you're only hurting yourself

That is a very good ratio lol. I'm not going to feel silly about what other people think; if that were true I would not have decided to become Christian. There is no positive thinking on your end.

You're trying to save 2 bucks from driving with a tv in your car when you're supposedly making bank from poker and telling people $500 is nothing to you.

 

[Brian]

the bible has been translated from it's original language a ton of times now (not to mention that parts have been edited over the years). even if the original bible was the word of god, it's now been tampered with by men.

 

[Adam M!]

the reason i feel religion and man are two different things is because of how i define (or maybe i should say "describe") religion.to me religion is the set of beliefs that someone has regarding the origins or nature of like...the universe?

Thank you for responding. Let's play around with your definition then!

To me that seems to be a valid definition in theory, but in practice how do you think it plays out?

Religion in today's society seems to be a lot more than a "set of beliefs ... regarding nature." Take myself for example. Here is one belief I have regarding human nature: we are intrinsically curious. That wouldn't really be construed as a religious belief/thought though, would it? Maybe it is or maybe it is not, but I am saying society as a whole would not consider that religion.

Perception is reality! So if the perception of religion has changed, hasn't religion itself changed? Assume your definition is the original meaning of religion. Do you think the percpetion of religion has changed, then?

lol ..its true religion is created by man but that doesnt necessarily mean religion is man.

Why not? I'm not sure your following example qualifies!

if you'd allow my comparison...we are creations of God

That's a mighty assumption! I'm willing to assume that to be true for the purposes of discussion, but you just can't throw an absolute out like that without us agreeing upon it first!

but that doesnt mean we, ourselves, are gods

Doesn't the bible say God created us in his image?

hmm...this one is kind of tricky to address."you dont have to be 'religious' to have faith" is a true statement

So why qualify it?!

in the sense that you dont have to adhere to a certain denomination's traditions in order to consider yourself or be considered as a believer.

Here's the qualification!

\i would argue though that religion isnt man for the reasons stated above.i g2g right now though so i'll come back and elaborate when i get off school/work or something lol

I'm all ears! =P

No, people may misinterpret the words, but the Bible itself is God's word.

Prove it! Here, I'll show you how:

Gravity exists in our reality! Picture me dropping a ball from mid-air. It hits the ground, right?

Now it's your turn!

I'm not going to feel silly about what other people think; if that were true I would not have decided to become Christian.

I have no idea how the latter proves the former. If anything the latter proves my point! If you didn't care what other people think why would you need to formally join a group of like-minded individuals? All you're doing is separating yourself from the rest of the world!

There is no positive thinking on your end.

How much would you like to bet? We can create a poll and poll the whole community! Name your price!

You're trying

How do you know what I'm trying to do without asking me? How can you be so arrogant as to assume my intentions?! You don't know, you're just assuming!

 

[ssbbFICTION]

the bible has been translated from it's original language a ton of times now (not to mention that parts have been edited over the years). even if the original bible was the word of god, it's now been tampered with by men.

This is a very uneducated statement.

 

[Adam M!]

Prove it Shephard! Why are you reacting defensively and saying something negative? You're better than that! Brian stated his point of view like a mature adult! Why don't you do the same? Are you trying to create discussion and challenge your assumptions or are you just trying to attack individuals?

I'm sure Brian could provide numerous examples to prove his point of view! If only you asked! Where are your examples?!

 

[ssbbFICTION]

All I meant is that what Brian said is a very common statement, and most people don't even both to look into whether it is true or not. People don't create new versions of the Bible from existing English translations last time I checked. They go back to the old manuscripts and retranslate iirc. And if I am wrong please show me the evidence.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

adam i could watch you critisize people all day and i'll continue to do so but for the love of GOD you should stop ending any sentence with a exclamation point [it doesn't make you sound nicer, i know that's what your doing :3]

 

[Adam M!]

"People" may not look into it ("never"? really?), but how do you know Brian hasn't? If you do not allow someone to surprise you you will never be surprised!

adam i could watch you critisize

Why do you interpret it as "criticism"? Even if it is criticism (it's open to interpretation!), is it not positive criticism?

people all day and i'll continue to

Thank you for your support =)

but for the love of GOD you should stop ending any sentence with a exclamation point

Why does it bother you so much?

[it doesn't make you sound nicer, i know that's what your doing :3]

My speech merely reflects my internal state! The same thing I asked Dave applies to you: How can you be so arrogant as to assume my intentions?

 

[DJMirror]

LOL i pulled a jkun -__- uhh...

What the heck is that suppose to mean?

 

[bbb]

ITT: who gives a ****, why don't you make a thread about how believing in god is wrong

this is supposed to be a grev thread

PS: calm down adam

 

[The Greater Leon]

i am a fan of a low venue fee because in the event i go i dont want to pay more money just to hang and eat ALL the watermelon

 

[Little England]

i am a fan of a low venue fee because in the event i go i dont want to pay more money just to hang and eat ALL the watermelon

Lol I knew you were black...

 

[bbb]

homie watermelon don't care bout the color of yo skin


its too busy bein hella juicy

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Why do you interpret it as "criticism"? Even if it is criticism (it's open to interpretation!), is it not positive criticism?

Well, I mean it is technically criticism. I guess it's positive in the sense that you're trying to inform people of their faults, but you post it in a somewhat negative way is all. personally idc, i'm cool with it regardless.

Why does it bother you so much?

it's not like something that seriously bothers me, i can just see (or atleast from my perspective of it) that you're layering your posts with 'niceness' on top!

My speech merely reflects my internal state! The same thing I asked Dave applies to you: How can you be so arrogant as to assume my intentions?

Lol, I'm assuming by 'speech' you mean the exclamation points you've been using, but an exclamation point isn't really a positive or negative type of speech, so I don't get that haha. It's not like you're excited with every time you use em'.

JUZ ADMIT IT :embarrass

also i hope everyone takes these discussions as hardcore drama battlez

 

[The Greater Leon]

we met befor lil e

im paler than ROLLING ROCK PALE ALE

 

[chiZZLeSD]

Thank you for responding. Let's play around with your definition then!

To me that seems to be a valid definition in theory, but in practice how do you think it plays out?

Religion in today's society seems to be a lot more than a "set of beliefs ... regarding nature." Take myself for example. Here is one belief I have regarding human nature: we are intrinsically curious. That wouldn't really be construed as a religious belief/thought though, would it? Maybe it is or maybe it is not, but I am saying society as a whole would not consider that religion.

Perception is reality! So if the perception of religion has changed, hasn't religion itself changed? Assume your definition is the original meaning of religion. Do you think the percpetion of religion has changed, then?



Why not? I'm not sure your following example qualifies!



That's a mighty assumption! I'm willing to assume that to be true for the purposes of discussion, but you just can't throw an absolute out like that without us agreeing upon it first!



Doesn't the bible say God created us in his image?



So why qualify it?!



Here's the qualification!



I'm all ears! =P

whoa lol.im for sure gonna respond but i gotta ponder a little bit.i think i'll mentally go through it during my shift today.i get out at 11 so i'll most likely hit you back in the middle of the night

What the heck is that suppose to mean?

something i mistyped made me look like i ****ed up on my grammar lol

 

[joeplicate]

my take on religion: if it helps you sleep at night, good for you
if faith in god genuinely enriches one's life, then what's not to love?

personally i'm not religious, i wasn't raised religious and never picked it up
at this point in my life, at least, i'm all about personal power

(i read atlus shrugged in 9th grade and that became my bible, so to speak. not that i sucked ayn rand's ****, and that book was very long and i didn't actually appreciate finishing it, but it made me believe in the power of individual initiative over anything.)

 

[Little England]

we met befor lil e

im paler than ROLLING ROCK PALE ALE

*** I remember what you look like, but you still black! ;D

 

[Adam M!]

Good advice Derek!

 

[WHA?]

any 818 goin to this?
can i get a ride????
ill let u have the setup discount!!!!!!!!!
n i got gas money!!!!!!!!!

 

[ComboFest]

I think that religion is good over all.
I'm not saying that being atheist is bad either.

I am just saying that i approve and respect all of your beliefs.
(i am personally not religious either.)

 

[bbb]

im paler than ROLLING ROCK PALE ALE

dude, can.. can I..


can I drink you?!?!

 

[The Greater Leon]

*** I remember what you look like, but you still black! ;D

aww how sweet ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
im actually half black

Spoiler

from the waist down

derek

get out my drink

 

[chiZZLeSD]

ok so..heres the thing:

To me that seems to be a valid definition in theory, but in practice how do you think it plays out?

im not sure how to answer.in my experience people practice religion precisely the way i described.a set of beliefs is formed, rules are created based on the beliefs, and people are free to choose however intensely or not they want to.in reference to the subject at hand (religion having a good or bad impact on society) ..i dont see how the mere act of believing in something can have a negative impact on society.its only when fanatics develop hate for people who dont believe the same as them (such as the Catholic church when it launched the Crusades) or people with psychological problems (priests that molest kids) that "religion's" reputation starts to look bad.what most people fail to realize, however, is that this is nothing more than a failure of PEOPLE rather than a failure of religion.i have yet to find an instance where one can prove beyond reasonable doubt that religion materialized itself into an intelligent being and forced a human to do something.if someone can successfully do so, then i will happily admit that in that instance, religion was at fault.but until then, i will continue to defend my stance that ultimately people cause pain and suffering to other people, and not religion

Religion in today's society seems to be a lot more than a "set of beliefs ... regarding nature." Take myself for example. Here is one belief I have regarding human nature: we are intrinsically curious. That wouldn't really be construed as a religious belief/thought though, would it? Maybe it is or maybe it is not, but I am saying society as a whole would not consider that religion.

mmmm sounds like youre being to literal here.believing something to be true isnt necessarily a religious notion.im talking about beliefs regarding the origins and/or nature of the universe heavily influenced by the acceptance of a deity

Perception is reality! So if the perception of religion has changed, hasn't religion itself changed? Assume your definition is the original meaning of religion. Do you think the percpetion of religion has changed, then?

this is more of a philosophical point.i would argue that perception is not always reality.there are many instances where what you perceive is not what really is (such as an optical illusion).if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?some would say no for whatever reason but i would say it does.any two massive objects (im assuming this is a big *** tree..not a ficus or something lol) that collide with each other in the presence of loosely arranged molecules (like air or water) will in fact make a sound whether or not someone is around to hear it or not.if my definition is in fact the original meaning of "religion" and the perception of religion has changed over the years (it'd be pretty dumb to think it hasnt, so i'd agree with you if you said it did) then isnt that another example of people failing to hold steady their grasp of religion's overall message?

Why not? I'm not sure your following example qualifies!

That's a mighty assumption! I'm willing to assume that to be true for the purposes of discussion, but you just can't throw an absolute out like that without us agreeing upon it first!

but you allowed it! lol ..ok but consider man's creations then.man creates machines, buildings, etc.. but none of which are like man

Doesn't the bible say God created us in his image?

yeah but that means we all just kinda look like Him...we cant do the things He does lol

So why qualify it?!

Here's the qualification!

i kinda missed what you were talking about here..lol

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

i perceive that i am better than mango

sadly it isnt a reality

 

[TheBOSS]

yeeeee sonnnnnnn, ima cruise to this

 

[GSUB]

if you perceived you were better than mango, you would be better than him in your head, making it your reality. ahhaha.
you'd just make johns as to why you lost, and would seriously believe them!
which I'm sure many people in the community suffer from!

 

[ConnorTheKid]

LMFAO Gsub I'm glad you're back!

 

[spreedom]

prob will come with a setup for singles.

 

[DJMirror]

ANNNNNDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYY NGGGGGUYYYYYEEEEENNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

Your set against Masterlord *****

 

[TheBOSS]

i need a dubs partner for this since maple aint rolling...england where u at

 

[DJMirror]

i need a dubs partner for this since maple aint rolling...england where u at

Little England is at the east coast for school dude

 

[LuCKy]

anybody coming to this know how to recolor lasers for hacked melee?

 

[joeplicate]

Little England is at the east coast for school dude

chicago =/= east coast lol


also, i'm gonna ask again
can anyone pick me up from palos verdes? i'll suck yo ****
and maybe give you a free 3d movie ticket lol (= $15)
plus gas, of course

get at me PLZ

 

[TheBOSS]

haha moved to east coast...dangit. i need a dubs partner

 

[The Greater Leon]

(i got work so i cant commentatre)

 

[DJMirror]

chicago =/= east coast lol

I didn't know where he move exactly!