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DanGR

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that means that a person's true Elo is anywhere in a 600 point range. That's just absurd. I could be 1100 right now and honestly be as good as some 1700s. Or the reverse. I could be 1100 and honestly be as bad as some 500s.
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K, maybe it's just me, but after the soft reset I lost about 6 games due to bad luck, and got dragged down to 1300, then carried myself up.

At 1300... I won TWO 4v5s in a row, where someone on my team DCed within the first 10 minutes, twice in a row. And that's when I thought myself to be about a 1600-1700 player. You seriously cannot say a 1700 player won't carry the **** out of 1100 elo. It's hard as hell when it's 4v5, but 5v5 with a 1700? There's no way you can't carry. There's so many ways to take advantage of people that don't know how to play at a basic level.
 

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Having a good support player carry bottom laning phase is also very strong, or an AD carry player who has good positioning for late game.

Never put both in the same lane, though. You might win that one lane, but if everywhere else loses, you lose the game. Better to potentially win two lanes imo.
 

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I want to expect better of you, but I know not to
in all honesty I feel like duo queue would work best if it was a combination of people going solo top/mid and/or jungle.

we tried the 2 bot strategy that time we went vayne/janna and that didnt work out to well for us, Dastrn, because the solo lanes got bodied.
you can rarely control that tbh. I dunno, I duo a lot on my smurf and while I would always like to have both of us in solos/jungle, there's still an awful lot to be said for a well played support + carry.
 

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well I think I'm going to stay away from support until 1350 atleast. I wouldn't be so up at odds about it if I could play the tankier supports (I.E. Alistar and Leona both of which I own but do not know how to play) and Jungle Riven is the only jungler I'm comfortable enough to play ranked. I have at least 3 mid lane and top lane champs each though.

and on that note. I have't seen an Orianna in like 50 games now. lol I think I'm going to start playing her again.

@Dangr the one time I did play with you, you had really good team directive. been trying to play with you ever since to learn more about what to do in certain situation.
 

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he's saying I should just duo queue and then it's 5 baddies vs 3 baddies.

he's right. I just can't often find a duo buddy. when zolga is on, we wreck.
def.

i feel like having a duo partner whom you know is reliable and you can practice with is essential for rising in ELO. whether u guys are duo-laning bot, or one is mid and one is solo top or w/e. but it's a huge advantage. one less leaver. one less feeder. one less person you need to constantly watch. and most importantly a person you know you can depend on. i wouldn't solo-queue without one; kinda like clicking the "I'm Feeling Lucky" google button.

the opposing (and perhaps winning team) could have a 1 or 2 duo-laners on their team as well.

edit: ninja'd by like 10 million people

double edit: personally, i think a duo-lane with either two of the players being a jungler is key. ive seen so many streams and videos where the jungler and mid/solo-top just pubstomps their opponent. so the jungler's main focus should be to secure practiced ganks with their duo partner. and then attempt to do the same for the other two lanes to a lesser extent.

like if u can successfully **** mid early game with the proper synergy with a duo mid lane partner, then mid will be able to roam/gank top/bot much more effectively. secure dragon better. prevent bot from being utterly destroyed. control blue/red more efficiently. etc.
 
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Play Ali bot and **** noobs even 1900+ elo tell the lane partner **** tho

:phone:
 

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Compared to many of you guys, sure I'm bad. But I'm the best player in almost every game I play. And I always have that 0-10 ****** on bottom lane who ruins it. And if I go bottom, I'll get fed while top goes 0-5 and jungler is 0-4 and mid is 0-6.
 

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A duo queued Mid/Jungler is best because you have the largest range of cover during laning phase to make up for other weaknesses and you always get blue. Blue wins games.
 

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we should start uploading replays instead of trying to describe the whole game in one post
 

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really just ask yourself why this and this went wrong you will see patterns and then you should just change them... rarely should you blame someone else, yes even someone else's death you can prevent.

every lost fight, missed cs, missed harass, how he came out on top of an exchange, why your ward died to a pink you will see patterns and then you just change what you do. solo queue is more than yourself you have to babysit other lanes too. you don't have to physically be in their lane to baby sit them
 

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really just ask yourself why this and this went wrong you will see patterns and then you should just change them... rarely should you blame someone else, yes even someone else's death you can prevent.

every lost fight, missed cs, missed harass, how he came out on top of an exchange, why your ward died to a pink you will see patterns and then you just change what you do. solo queue is more than yourself you have to babysit other lanes too. you don't have to physically be in their lane to baby sit them
I'm aware of all this. The problem is that sometimes noobs can't be stopped from feeding. And I am stuck with them constantly.
 

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no you arent aware of this cause you see very little fault in your own play
 

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Yo I don't care about elo or w/e.

But I will go into true solo queue and stream it if people are interested and will help me stream and stuff :O
 

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I would stream solo queue (it makes it more fun than non-streamed solo queue) if it didn't cut my fps in half. Did you ever figure out what caused it, Hylian?
 

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I would stream solo queue (it makes it more fun than non-streamed solo queue) if it didn't cut my fps in half. Did you ever figure out what caused it, Hylian?
Did he find a way to keep it from cutting fps at all?

Mine drops about 10-20 from about 40 average
 

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how do you get those?
I think LeagueCraft has a link to download them all. Or at least a tutorial to extract them from your client.

Compared to many of you guys, sure I'm bad. But I'm the best player in almost every game I play.
I want to focus on this part of your statement about your games.
You can be the best, and but that isn't the issue. And, as Mogwai and Jpak are pointing out, your feedernoob teammates aren't the problem either.

The problem is that although you're better than them, you're not THAT much better than them.

You're not the 1700 in 1100 ELO single handedly carrying the game that you have to be to really climb out quickly, you're probably more like a 1400, which explains how you can dominate the individual opponents, but not whoop their entire team or understand how to force your teammates into positions to do what you want.

Am I right MogPak?

-DD
 

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there are incredibly bad players in "high elo" like 2100 elo bad
one is on my team in fact lololol
 

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How do you figure?
If you are assuming you are good, that leaves 4 opportunities for a bad player to be on your team. The other team has 5 opportunities. In terms of having a bad player (if you are good), they are more likely.

I believe I posted about this a long, long time ago.
 

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If you are assuming you are good, that leaves 4 opportunities for a bad player to be on your team. The other team has 5 opportunities. In terms of having a bad player (if you are good), they are more likely.

I believe I posted about this a long, long time ago.
i believe it was locodoco who said originally that either you can carry a team of 4 bads vs a team of 5 bads or you belong where you are at
 

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I'm well aware of how math works. that's not the problem.

I'm asking jpak how he figures that I'm unaware of my own faults and flaws?

Also, I dont think i'm 1700 good. I think I'm roughly 1400-1500, though.

It's not as if everyone who is frustrated about something else is unaware of their own problems. Where did that idea come from? Yes, I'm irritated at how bad kids are at my Elo, and I'm frustrated at how hard it is to climb out.

I played 9 ranked games today, and i went 4-5. I spent a whole day doing nothing but playing league and i lost Elo. And I was never once the worst player, and I was almost always the best player. I made dozens of small mistakes, whether it was missing a cs or moving to the wrong place on the map. A very good player would make fewer of those mistakes. But they would most likely have lost the same games I lost, with few exceptions. Sure, they'll climb out faster than I would, because over a long enough time they would be the difference maker in a way that I couldn't be.

but none of this negates my point: bad kids ruin games for you no matter what you do sometimes. And if you get a handful of bad games right from the start when your rating is flying all over the place, you can get mired down in the muck and it can take forever to climb out. I lost like 70 elo today. Playing well.

I could watch my own games and point out each cs that I miss, or whatever, and I do think critically about every play I make all game. I'm not blind to that. You guys are just assuming I am because I am complaining.

think of it this way too: if I'm better than 1100 Elo, then some other poor dude is also trying to climb out and I'm stronger than my score says and he gets mismatched teams because riot thinks i'm as bad as the next 1100 player. So this other kid loses a game and i win one, because he had some 0-6 player rated 1100 on his team, and my team had me going 5-0 in lane. Sucks for him.

i'm not the only "good" player (relative to the score) at 1100. I felt this same way at 1300 last season. I routinely outplayed my whole team. If I was magically transplanted into 1500, I wouldn't plummet immediately to 1100. I would hover around there, and probably improve because I'm playing with better players in my average solo queue games.

edit: someone get on their smurf and duo queue with me. Be critical, tell me when I make a tactical error. Be honest and assess me.
 

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So I guess I'll just solo queue. I seem to win more. Just had a game where top and bot decided that wards were irrelevant and they were man enough to 1v2/2v3. That was fun. I died twice to 4 man ganks. Which I should expect from behind my mid tower. At least I've had a net ELO gain of 38 in the last few days. Gonna get that 1500 eventually.

@Dast - While you are significantly better than our/your teammates when I've played with you, your jungle presence is lacking. Jungleplank doesn't do much if he just farms camps. You don't have the AOE to do that quickly. Yeah you need to get your levels, but Top was gankable for 90% of the lanephase. Bottom not so much because their Soraka had a **** ton of wards, but you could always buy a quick Oracle instead of that Regrowth Pendant. Food for thought. I'm not calling you bad, but there are definitely things you could work on.
 

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I would stream solo queue (it makes it more fun than non-streamed solo queue) if it didn't cut my fps in half. Did you ever figure out what caused it, Hylian?
Sorry didn't see this been traveling to apex.

I haven't figured anything out, I'm guessing you just need a really good processor because my fps cuts in windowed mode even when im not streaming. League also just sucks programming-wise because i stream diablo 3 fine.
 

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@Dast - While you are significantly better than our/your teammates when I've played with you, your jungle presence is lacking. Jungleplank doesn't do much if he just farms camps. You don't have the AOE to do that quickly. Yeah you need to get your levels, but Top was gankable for 90% of the lanephase. Bottom not so much because their Soraka had a **** ton of wards, but you could always buy a quick Oracle instead of that Regrowth Pendant. Food for thought. I'm not calling you bad, but there are definitely things you could work on.
Good thoughts.
I'd like to point out that when we queue together, we're playing against 1200-1400 players, and i'm significantly better than them.
 

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Sorry didn't see this been traveling to apex.

I haven't figured anything out, I'm guessing you just need a really good processor because my fps cuts in windowed mode even when im not streaming. League also just sucks programming-wise because i stream diablo 3 fine.
lol it's okay, i only posted that like an hr or two ago. thanks for update. :)
 
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