Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

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for those of you who love guardsmen bob

 

[S l o X]

So what exactly determines what champs **** late game? Ratios / Scaling? Damage output? etc . . .

and which champs should I avoid letting get to late game?

 

[PhantomX]

Scaling and/or attack/AS steroids + range.

% of health stuff also scales naturally into later game, as do damage amplification spells.

Oh, and AD over AP as well... which is why Talon does scale into late game, just not as hard as other champs b/c of his melee range.

 

[john!]

physical casters like talon don't scale as well as auto-attackers like ashe, vayne, etc. because the latter benefits from crit (the hardest scaling stat in the game)

 

[PhantomX]

Ah, that's the one I forgot.

 

[fkacyan]

:dense :

All too easy.

 

[Shaya]

And then you realise that pantheon scales at 3.6 bonus ad ratio on a 3.5 second aoe nuke, being pretty much the only skill in the game that scales significantly faster then armor does.

*remembers this one time the enemy team was getting all confident thinking they could make a come back, then I jumped in and got a triple kill with one heart seeker strike; babies were made by the dozens that day*

 

[john!]

LOL that's awesome.

during the game where i got my only penta (a long time ago), i got a triple kill from a single flash frost

 

[Shaya]

Although I say talon doesn't "scale" that well into late game, his single target damage is a bit sickly if you think of what's he is capable of doing in under a second with an infinity edge.

Also, what wasn't previously mentioned was that the tristana and sona were close to full health at the time of said HSS, heuheuheu. They surrendered about 2.5 seconds afterwards. Channelling the Gizmo build + shaya's hybrid pantheon dream (boots, 2 dorans -> three-five bloodthirsters and a hextech revolver)

 

[DanGR]

I'd argue Talon is so ****ing versatile in where he can lane early on and amazing mid-game in early dragon fights and in skirmishes at red/blue and in ganking that whether or not he's good-late game doesn't really matter a whole lot.

Also, he's a lot more viable mid-lane than most bruisers, considering he buttrapes casters. And when you pick talon, you can actually run solo-AP top lane if you want, without forcing yourself to run double AP solos. Many lane-switch shenanigans can be had.


/rant

 

[Shaya]

I'd argue Talon is so ****ing versatile in where he can lane early on and amazing mid-game in early dragon fights and in skirmishes at red/blue and in ganking that whether or not he's good-late game doesn't really matter a whole lot.

Early game characters have always been the OP bitznitch. Remember when Ezreal was still "gamebreakingly OP" when he literally did not have any form of scaling left? (75% IAS to 50%, 1.2 AD ratio to 1.0)

 

[tarmacker]

So many people going to pick up Nasus after the tourney.

 

[DanGR]

Early game characters have always been the OP bitznitch. Remember when Ezreal was still "gamebreakingly OP" when he literally did not have any form of scaling left? (75% IAS to 50%, 1.2 AD ratio to 1.0)

I don't remember that.

I do remember 120 base damage on his Q at rank 1 tho.
That was bull****.

 

[john!]

So many people going to pick up Nasus after the tourney.

i stand by my ap nasus no matter how many people hate on it!

ad's pretty good too tho

 

[PhantomX]

Cyanide's Lee Singer is pretty good. Best one I've seen in tournament play so far.

 

[DMG]

Rambo pretty good with him too.

 

[PhantomX]

I don't think Rambo ever got to play him after the double Tempest glitch got removed, though.

 

[fkacyan]

Cyanide's Lee Singer is pretty good. Best one I've seen in tournament play so far.

****ing namesearching

 

[Plum]

So many people going to pick up Nasus after the tourney.

If you can shut down his farm you really hit him hard, and that's my only problem with Nasus. Grab some gold/10 and just free farm all day and you can just crush everything in sight.
Just got out of a Nasus game with my Q hitting over 500 bonus damage at ~30 minutes.
There are some counters to him in lane, and if you can force him to stop farming for whatever reason you hit him harder than most characters because he's not just loosing out on gold he's loosing Q damage.
That Whither change though really made him a great champ if you can get that farm.

 

[JTB]

I'd argue Talon is so ****ing versatile in where he can lane early on and amazing mid-game in early dragon fights and in skirmishes at red/blue and in ganking that whether or not he's good-late game doesn't really matter a whole lot.

Also, he's a lot more viable mid-lane than most bruisers, considering he buttrapes casters. And when you pick talon, you can actually run solo-AP top lane if you want, without forcing yourself to run double AP solos. Many lane-switch shenanigans can be had.


/rant

How does Talon do against AP with huge burst potential (Brand, Annie with stun, Zil, etc)?

 

[Hylian]

He destroys them in my experience.

 

[Shaya]

I do remember 120 base damage on his Q at rank 1 tho.
That was bull****.

Would've been 100 at level 1.


Unless you're considering the current "meta rune page" for ad carries. But barely anybody did anything bar stack armor pen back then though... so.. meh.

 

[JTB]

He destroys them in my experience.

How though? I don't think his silence lasts long enough to be able to run out of range of his target without getting hit.

 

[PhantomX]

A lot of high damage mages that are commonly chosen have skillshots, which can be juked using the blink silence and then into a lot of damage.

 

[Shaya]

Talon does physical damage burst, Talon will be likely able to deal true damage from level 1 up until 5-6 before he needs to invest in more armor pen.

10% multiplicative passive. A q that does a ****ing ****load of damage for reasons unknown to me.

W > E (or E > W) > Q > R can all be done within that 1 second silence, has base burst high enough to kill the enemy, and if it doesn't, lol invisi-juking / not being targetable.

 

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There are some counters to him in lane, and if you can force him to stop farming for whatever reason you hit him harder than most characters because he's not just loosing out on gold he's loosing Q damage.

So who can shut down Nasus in lane, then?

 

[JTB]

.

 

[john!]

so after yesterday's terrible matchmaking luck, i decide to play three more games today

2-0-7 win
4-1-5 loss
9-4-0 loss

what the **** am i supposed to do. somebody tell me. i ping, i ward, i gank, i time dragon, i time baron, i get the highest cs EVERY TIME.

i know none of you will believe my luck. i wouldn't believe it either if i wasn't me.

 

[Shaya]

So who can shut down Nasus in lane, then?

:akali:
:kennen:

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Special mentions to Singed and Yorick, who are both gay.
Garen can also **** the ever living **** out of nasus.
antheon: can do work too
Sion isn't fun
Aggressive udyrs are gay
Have you ever seen what ryze does to poor nasus?

 

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I'm guessing Pantheon and Akali beat him just by poking him down with projectiles?

 

[Shaya]

Akali is just

*throws q*
*if you attempt to last hit at all >
SUDDENLY ALL YOUR HEALTH IS GONE*

Pantheon is just

*walks up to him continually from level 1-5
auto attacks him,
auto attacks some more
forces nasus to wither me
oh wait I'm spearing him too, gg.
oh wait JUMP STUN
auto attack him some more
oh you want to auto attack/siphon me back? *blocks*

Then from level 8 onwards you start heart seeker striking poor doggy boy. Assuming you denied him like you should (unless he was running 0/21/9 with flat armor quints, reds and yellows and rushes a chain vest) [I'm pretty salty that the last time I played nasus against a pantheon top with 0/21/9 with armor yellows, rushed ninja tabi and chain vest, while still farming reasonably okay and it only got harder... merc treads pretty much sealed my fate - Pantheon's passive + his stun triggering it pretty much destroys nasus when done right ]

Riven is also very hard for nasus.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

Akali is OP, needs a nerf.
Anyone know when the Skarner buff update is taking place?

 

[Wave⁂]

Aren't most updates Monday or Tuesday?

 

[DanGR]

How though? I don't think his silence lasts long enough to be able to run out of range of his target without getting hit.

I could try and theorycraft something to illustrate how the matchups usually go, but I think it's a matter of guaranteed burst vs skillshot burst (most of the best APs have them)... and the skillshot burst not having as much damage, and Talon having his stealth to make trades at level 6 high in his favor... on a low CD. The silence is really good for dodging skillshots too.

The dealbreaker is rake being extremely good for farming early on before you get really strong. Like I'll walk up to last hit a creep and rake the enemy+the creep if they try to read my last hit and throw a skillshot out to hit me while i go for it.

And these spells have like no mana cost too lol

Would've been 100 at level 1.


Unless you're considering the current "meta rune page" for ad carries. But barely anybody did anything bar stack armor pen back then though... so.. meh.

I'm pretty sure there was a bug for about 2 weeks that made it do 120.

 

[Shaya]

Pics or it didn't happen.

Also, final thing on nasus.
No matter what character you use, its almost full proof that you'll beat nasus if you go an aggressive rune page/mastery set up.
Like, regular singed is pretty manageable, but a singed with lots of flat ap? gg.

 

[jpak]

it doesnt matter if you beat nasus, he can still do fine if your team is built to last long enough. there is no denying he has bad matchups lol
*insert a bunch of comments*
jpak says go watch sypher vs crs iem ny
syper's nasus goes 0/4 to crs pobelter's jax

 

[Shaya]

it doesnt matter if you beat nasus, he can still do fine if your team is built to last long enough.

For sure.

He's still one of the strongest baron/dragon downers, and wither is OP reasonably balanced; merc treads is still kinda geegeh (in 1v1s, in team fights its still fantastic assuming you have an initiator of some sort to back you up). but pooping on that zerkers ranged carry is pretty tasty.

 

[Deleted member]

doesnt wither do max length no matter what

 

[DanGR]

doesnt wither do max length no matter what

Slow duration still gets reduced by tenacity, but if it does, the slow still reaches 40%. (or w/e % it is.)

 

[Shaya]

doesnt wither do max length no matter what

why do people think that?

I almost felt like punching my team's ranged carry a few months ago when the enemy team had nasus and he wouldn't ****ing listen to me when I said get mercs... it was then followed by "mercs doesn't work on wither any more" by our ranged carry + our ap carry.

Its almost as bad as people thinking Shaco's clone can't do on hit effects or something.
Or that crit damage modifiers do not effect Shaco's deceive crit...