Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Jazriel]

HAVE 4 FEEDERS ON YOUR TEAM?
NO PROBLEM.
GOOD THING YOU PICKED SIVIR.
AND RUSHED WARMOGS.
NOW YOUR 3.2K LIFE 160 DAMAGE 18% CRIT ATMA'S HERO IS GOING TO CARRY.
BUILD LAST WHISPER AND BLOODTHIRSTER
GIVE BARON TO ENEMIES TWICE
GET ALL DRAGONS
AND ROLL ALL 3 INHIBITORS.
GG SIVIR


/noallcapsfilter

 

[Mogwai]

new avatar and stuff...

I figure it's appropriate

 

[DanGR]

"This is a terrible idea Jason. I really don't like this." ~Virg

We kill baron. We roll face. We take three towers and an inhib. We win a game we were losing.

Future: *proceeds to do it 3 more times and get owned at baron* ;3

We got lucky, lol.

 

[Jazriel]

new avatar and stuff...

I figure it's appropriate

"Manatee"

*Whistles innocently*

 

[M3D]

If they had any wards there, any at all, we would have gotten rocked. It was pure luck.

Future: *proceeds to do it 3 more times and get owned at baron* ;3

We got lucky, lol.

Nah guys, we had that because we killed Tristana, their Katarina was incompetent and their Tryndamere was under half health and had already burned his ult. So they all ran/recalled back to base and we were right there. They could not have run/recalled back to base and then run back to us before we finished baron. The trick there is to not flinch. If you are going to do it, you commit to it hard and then get out. If you hesitate, you get owned. It wasn't lucky. I was keeping track of what was happening and I knew how long it would take to finish. I knew we had that, wards or no wards.

 

[Virgilijus]

No, they could have. Baron got my half down to about 1/3. We were around level 12; they weren't down for long. Their Kat was not incompetent (she went 8/3/6). Dan didn't have much health, nor did anyone else. They had three mid and could have easily made it in time but, because they didn't have a ward, they didn't.

Just because we won a round of Russian roulette doesn't mean it was smart to play the game, yo.

 

[ruin`]

^^ totally agree with this post.

btw Virgilius. Change my name to d4bag pretty plz?

 

[M3D]

They did end up with three in mid before we finished baron, but not even close to coming in to check the river. For the record, I was at nearly full health and had both my Smite and my ult ready. I think even with a ward, worst case scenario they come right to us and we break off to fight 5v3... and they have to get inside my ult to engage. Sure it was ballsy, but I stand by the decision. It was the right call and it turned the tide of the game. The good thing was that we all stuck together and made it happen. The communication was good all around.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

So like, I wanna learn Shaco, what is everybody's opinion on this character competitively? Do you think hes a good character in ranked games or can be good?

 

[Virgilijus]

It didn't turn the tide: we had just won a few team fights bottom river and one top river before we tried. We were all ready winning; I didn't want to get ganked at Baron with low health and give them the advantage we had.

 

[Dekar173]

So like, I wanna learn Shaco, what is everybody's opinion on this character competitively? Do you think hes a good character in ranked games or can be good?

Yes.



He definitely has a higher learning curve than others, but he can be a wrecking ball when you get him going.

He's a great jungler AND anti-jungler, and starter items for jungling have great synergy with his typical DPS builds (madreds, and it allowing him to dragon early).

His lane presence may leave something to be desired as far as last hitting goes, but he can set up for ganks easily, use his JitB to control brush (and through that, the lane) and harass/chase for the kill VERY easily through the use of his Q and E.



Yeah, Shaco's a pretty nasty character. Fun too





@Rappster- Killing the dragon on Summoner's Rift gives your entire team a decent amount of gold and EXP.

On Twisted Treeline, it does the same thing as well as a buff for your entire team that gives you an additional (your character's level)% damage.

Baron > Dragon > Red > Blue on Summoner's Rift

Red > Dragon > Wraiths > Wolves on Twisted Treeline



I originally was skeptical as to how using jungles in order to designate buffs and such would work out, as I used to play DotA a LOT and loved the rune system (bottle starter on Rexxar, yay) but after seeing that it forces you to commit, and ISN'T luck based (except the 2 random TT buffs) I love this system.

LoL is fun.

 

[DanGR]

So like, I wanna learn Shaco, what is everybody's opinion on this character competitively? Do you think hes a good character in ranked games or can be good?

At a competitive level? Don't bother with him.

Casual. YEEEEAAAAH. SOOO FUN.

He's like Sheik in Brawl in that it's going to take a lot more effort to get good with him than it will to get good with a different better character. :/

 

[Vyke]

No, even at Competitive level, Shaco is fine.

It just takes massive balls and what some like to call skill (and lots of patience) to use him now.

Read: His learning curve is huge, but if there is one character that will teach you when to back out of a fight or commit to something... well... At least that's how I learned.

 

[Scamp]

I don't know what you mean by "fine" at a competitive level. Technically every hero is "fine" so what really needs to be discussed are his weaknesses.

1: He doesn't contribute **** to teamfights until at least one person is wounded, and often times not even then.

2: Exceptionally risky play required at pretty much all stages of the game.

3: And so on, description below.

Essentially his problem is that he needs a really coordinated team to be effective. He can be frustrating to play against but he can also be frustratingly terrible if your team isn't playing to his strengths.

I'm not the most proficient Shaco player so maybe someone more experienced can elaborate on this.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

By fine, I mean viable at very high levels of play, I don't think every hero is capable of this, character's like Mundo are trash and not viable at very high levels of play, atleast afaik.

 

[Vyke]

No.

No.

And more No.

Every character is viable. Every character can be played at any level of the game, regardless of what tier list you read or who tells you what. Very high levels of play see more underplayed champions than the 1200-1600 range regardless, because players of the caliber aren't so absorbed in what characters are good so much as actually knowing the game itself.

There are no bad champions (Besides Urgot). Pick a character, stick with him/her, and branch out. Learn who you like and learn to play them to the best of your ability, while also being able to figure out the game itself. Roku regularly wrecks games as Mundo, and he's 1800+. Or at least was last I watched him stream. There are even a few high level players that carry as Eve.

You won't be a liability by picking a character if you know the character and the game.

 

[Jazriel]

How is Mundo bad...

 

[Frolossus]

So like, I wanna learn Shaco, what is everybody's opinion on this character competitively? Do you think hes a good character in ranked games or can be good?

he can be good but hes been nerfed to a point where he is probably one of the hardest champion to play well

 

[Mogwai]

I personally think Mundo >>> Shaco even on SR at this point. There are good Shaco players and they're pretty effin' scary (ELO Puppet ), but at the end of the day, he's a slow and fragile jungler with no disables which makes building a team around him a pain in the ***.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Shaco is in a weird place right now, and he's a solid mid tier pick no matter what your composition. He's still by far the best pre-6 ganker among the junglers and has the ability to start an early snowball that eventually goes on to win the game. His entire character is about map/jungle control though, so you have to be very intelligent about where you are, when you're there, where to put Jitbs, etc. Shaco's biggest problem though is that he NEEDS early kills to become a threat in teamfights later on. But smart Shaco players won't try to fit a square peg into a round hole if they don't get stacked. Instead, they'll push down towers at every moment the other team leaves it undefended, and he'll do everything in his power to keep control over as many neutral minions (in both jungles) as possible.

In teamfights, he mostly fullfils 2 roles. He's an anti-carry who shines best when the opposing team doesn't have someone babysitting the carry, AND he generally tends to pull aggro absurdly fast. When Shaco appears, you can bet everyone is going to go for him instantly. Thats also why Shaco works really well when there is a strong support character on his team, because the other team won't be able to kill him and while he's distracting them your carries tear them to pieces.

Shaco can still be an absolutely dominant force, but most people just can't adapt to different situations and keep trying to do the hyper-carry Shaco build that worked the one time they got absurdly stacked.

 

[Frolossus]

I personally think Mundo >>> Shaco even on SR at this point. There are good Shaco players and they're pretty effin' scary (ELO Puppet ), but at the end of the day, he's a slow and fragile jungler with no disables which makes building a team around him a pain in the ***.

reginald seems to be doing pretty well with shaco still

 

[Virgilijus]

He's making a 30 minute tutorial this weekend. I actually like his tutorials now; they used to be "Watch me own these guys! Aggressive Reginald!" to him actually explaining his thought process.

 

[DanGR]

There are no bad champions

Tires don exits amirite?

 

[Mogwai]

Tekken God carried one of my solo queue games last night with Eve. He went d-blade -> zerkers -> sheen -> brutalizer -> pickaxe -> GRB -> Ghostblade. I'm not even trolling you guys, it was pretty intense, .

 

[john!]

HotshotGG wrecks people with Cho'Gath lol. And I still think Trynd is underrated. Seriously, you can find out for yourself which characters are OP at your level of play, you don't need a tier list (meant for top professionals) to tell you that.

 

[Dekar173]

Currently, the smashers are very free at LoL.

Watch hotshotGG, watch DotA games, watch HoN games, watch pros play. You'll come to understand the intricacies of this game type and then you can finally use your own intuitive logic as to who would be a good hero for your own style of play!

IT WORKS

 

[Scamp]

Yeah, no.

One-shot examples don't cut it. Who was on the opposing team and who did they play?

Viable is such an ambiguous word which is why these arguments get silly. I do not argue that every champ can have a dominating game and be played well, but there are still several champs that I do not consider "viable" for competitive play.

In a short sense, there are several champs that have inherent weaknesses that are easier to exploit or their strengths are harder to capitalize on. Picking these champs is sort of like playing a mirror without masteries. It's not something that's unwinnable, but you are basically playing at a disadvantage from the start.


Edit: Watching pros is a good way to learn new things, but I'd recommend it with an asterisk. It's more important to develop your own style by understanding how things work and how you want to play rather than just copying what the pros are doing. Not saying this is always what happens when you watch the streams but this kind of thing does seem to come up for a lot of players.

 

[Dekar173]

Copying other players is what low level players do in every game, and it never works.

BUT watching hotshot play and seeing him get every single last hit every single wave will drive something home- don't autoattack, don't be afraid to use your mana to farm instead of harass with your puny 100 damage nuke, always be aware of the minimap, don't be afraid to just sit in a brush for a few seconds and collect your thoughts as a team, etc.

This game has plenty of depth, but it's not impossible to figure out through just listening to a good player talk/watching them play.

 

[DMG]

I personally think Mundo >>> Shaco even on SR at this point. There are good Shaco players and they're pretty effin' scary (ELO Puppet ), but at the end of the day, he's a slow and fragile jungler with no disables which makes building a team around him a pain in the ***.

Mundo <<<<<<< Shaco on SR. Hands down. Mundo may run the streets on TT, but his dreams of being viable on SR are crushed for awhile.

 

[Jazriel]

I really don't see how Mundo is "bad" in any way shape or form. Having an invincible initiator who can tower dive past 3(!) towers doesn't seem bad to me in a game that's lacking good initiators.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Getting an urf error.... I'm confused, it says missing asset. I rolled back the item changer assuming it was the cause, but it doesn't seem like thats the case.

 

[DMG]

Oh sure, he can walk under towers and regen it all in half a second. But how does he initiate? Throw a Cleaver? His only disable... is a slow that you have to aim and throw? What kind of initiator is that?

If Mundo builds tanky to try and initiate, he's pretty ignoreable. You could be like "Hey, we have 5 strong members and they have 4 plus this unkillable thing that barely scratches us. Let's kill those 4 first!" If he builds DPS, he's not gonna be bulky enough to do all this crazy tower diving and Ignite/Wounds will still be a problem for him.

Even when people come up with creative ways to make Mundo viable (throw him in the jungle), including him in a serious SR game is giving up a LOT for a subpar champ. Instead of wasting a jungle spot on Mundo, get a real jungler in there. Instead of having a Mundo on bot lane, just pick a better champ and move on.

There's not much he seriously brings to the table that someone else doesn't already do, if not completely outclassing him while doing it.

 

[Jazriel]

Oh sure, he can walk under towers and regen it all in half a second. But how does he initiate? Throw a Cleaver? His only disable... is a slow that you have to aim and throw? What kind of initiator is that?

If Mundo builds tanky to try and initiate, he's pretty ignoreable. You could be like "Hey, we have 5 strong members and they have 4 plus this unkillable thing that barely scratches us. Let's kill those 4 first!" If he builds DPS, he's not gonna be bulky enough to do all this crazy tower diving and Ignite/Wounds will still be a problem for him.

Even when people come up with creative ways to make Mundo viable (throw him in the jungle), including him in a serious SR game is giving up a LOT for a subpar champ. Instead of wasting a jungle spot on Mundo, get a real jungler in there. Instead of having a Mundo on bot lane, just pick a better champ and move on.

There's not much he seriously brings to the table that someone else doesn't already do, if not completely outclassing him while doing it.

I don't get it. You make it sound like people actually miss with Cleaver. How does one miss with a skillshot that has such an incredible projectile speed? O_o

Also, Cleaver is like AP Kog. The longer the delay between initiation the more pre-fight damage you're going to do. Mundo's tankiness naturally synergizes with his role as an initiator/DPS. You know when your team is at mid tower and they're chillin', dancing around waiting for creeps or someone to make a positioning error? Well, that's all fine and dand-MUNDO WILL THROW CLEAVERS IN FRONT OF YOUR TOWER AND YOU CAN'T STOP HIM.

This is most likely another situation of "Jazriel plays this hero completely differently from other people and also doesn't suck," which leads me to be confused as to why Mundo could possibly be considered bad. He's an extremely strong laner. He's very flexible in terms of items he can go for, basically his only staple item would be Spirit Visage. He can run a variety of summoner spells no problem (GHOST + EXHAUST = MUNDO ALWAYS GETS FIRST BLOOD), etc etc.

As for heroes that can outshine him, I can only think of a few heroes that can stand in lane against a good Mundo, let alone be put on equal terms with his harassing power.

Also, Mundo farms very well.


How is Mundo bad?

 

[KevinM]

That first Inhouse was a lot of fun!

That second game was not as much fun considering we all had lag issues.

 

[DanGR]

How does one miss with a skillshot that has such an incredible projectile speed? O_o

It could be twice as fast and good players will still miss with it- because you're limited by your own reaction time and the opponent's movements. If you throw it at someone, what's to stop them from "dash-dancing" out of the way or backing up as soon as Mundo gets close enough? That brings me to another point: It's range isn't very good for a skill shot with such a small hitbox.

 

[Jazriel]

That first Inhouse was a lot of fun!

That second game was not as much fun considering we all had lag issues.

Was this the one where I carried with Teemo? Or was it Sivir?

It was a GG, the next game was also pretty lulz

 

[Vyke]

Mundo's Cleaver hitbox is pretty big compared to most skillshots. It's part of the reasons any minion wave ****S HIM OVER, lol.

How about I make an amendment, then. All champs are viable in solo queue. That should be enough.

It isn't like any of you are going to go find a premade 5v5s ranked team anytime soon. @_@

 

[Dekar173]

"Jazriel plays this hero completely differently from other people and also doesn't suck,"

You'll start doing ranked and come to find that the Smashers aren't the cream of the crop in LoL.

This is to be expected, most smashers never even played DotA

 

[KevinM]

Your condescending tone is noted but you're speaking out of your ***.

SamuraiPanda, Azen Zagenite, and Mogwai are all consistently ranked pretty high in their ranked games of choice, and myself and Iggy have played Dota for years before playing this.

So I think you should stop just trash talking smash players because you clearly haven't played all of them.
<_<

 

[M3D]

Lag issues did mess up the second in-house yesterday, but I think we still managed to have fun. Oh man, I had two players at like 12 health as they ran into their fountain and I got killed by the lasers before I could kill them

Dekar, why hate on Smash kids? Clearly we have some high tier players around here and the rest of us do alright for ourselves when we tryhard. You might have a better idea of how good Smash kids are if you actually played with us. Every time you log on and people try to get you to play, you say no and go play with other friends. Maybe you need to get off your high horse and have some fun with your Smash Bros homeslice.