Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Espy Rose]

Mogwai's a ****ter.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Bleh. Did a couple games as jungle warwick the past couple days and had as much fun as back when I mained the role. The problem with that is that Warwick is the only jungler I have fun playing. I have yet to find another I like, and you can't exactly play a role on just one character. Voli is fun, and I do well with him early game, but then I tend to get wrecked when it comes to team fights. I've tried Udyr a couple times, but always wind up having bad luck and wind up having at least 2 lanes feed pretty hard. At least with Warwick, it's easy to carry a game. I've tried Amumu a few times too, and I do well with him, but I get bored using him.

Have you tried Vi? I find her fun and I usually hate jungling.

 

[Dre89]

https://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/soloqueuementality/

If you think luck doesn't play a part, could you explain then why I was climbing in silver-gold elo on my main before I dropped, and why I'm now doing the same thing on my smurf.

You can't really say that I started playing worse when I dropped to Bronze, because my KDAs are way better, and I'm currently climbing in Silver on my smurf.

I don't see how "if you're stuck in Bronze you deserve to be there, no exceptions" works when I'm climbing at a higher elo at the same time on another account

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

If you think luck doesn't play a part, could you explain then why I was climbing in silver-gold elo on my main before I dropped, and why I'm now doing the same thing on my smurf.

You can't really say that I started playing worse when I dropped to Bronze, because my KDAs are way better, and I'm currently climbing in Silver on my smurf.

I don't see how "if you're stuck in Bronze you deserve to be there, no exceptions" works when I'm climbing at a higher elo at the same time on another account

That's not what the article means at all.

 

[Sinister Slush]

www.twitch.tv/trick2g/v/4760016?t=10h46m40s

Carry m8, git gud

 

[Dre89]

That's not what the article means at all.

I used to play gen1 pokemon competitively, which is probably the most RNG-based competitive game out there lol

Having the mentality of 'you can only control your own actions, so just focus on improving' is good if you've never climbed out of Bronze, and you do genuinely need to improve a lot to get out. It's good when you lack certain components to your game like warding, understanding when to push or freeze a wave, knowing to push and roam to try snowball a lead, tracking major cooldowns, objective priority etc.

But when you already know those basics, and you've already had a positive winrate in games where you're the only person who isn't Gold, you've proved you deserve to be at a higher elo. So when you can't climb (for the second time) in Bronze, it's probably mostly due to external factors, especially when your stats don't suggest that your tilting.

My point isn't to complain about being stuck in Bronze on my main, because I'm having fun climbing Silver on my smurf. My point is to demonstrate that the ranked system is flawed to the point that some people do legitimately deserve to get out of the elo they're stuck in, and that luck does play a big part. Many people could maintain a 50%+ winrate at a much higher elo than what they're currently in.

 

[Player-3]

Part of that is what time of day you play


Morning solo q is what I play(ed) it's awful

 

[teluoborg]

Dre if you seriously think that you can't better yourself when you do **** like going 3/11 on Trinity Shen top in ****ing bronze 4 then you deserve to be put on everyone's ignore list.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Please link his lolking.
Is he seriously doing that.
Is he really doing exactly what trick pointed out? (more of the ass build paths while complaining to teammates)

 

[Dre89]

Dre if you seriously think that you can't better yourself when you do **** like going 3/11 on Trinity Shen top in ****ing bronze 4 then you deserve to be put on everyone's ignore list.

That was on my main awhile back. I was just trying out Trinity Shen. Also you sure that was soloq and not ranked 5s? I'm pretty sure that was 5s.

I'm currently 10-7 in Silver with full tank Shen. Not that great but w/e

Also, I never said I can't better myself I just said that I'm clearly good enough to play at a higher elo. Why is that so hard for you to understand

 

[teluoborg]

http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=dre89 I don't know the name of your alt so I can't judge.

But from what I can indeed judge :
-you can't blame your team on dying 11 times, somewhere between 3 and 5 deaths you have to take a step back and reflect on your actions
-it was ranked 5s which is even worse than soloQ because you know your mates
-building two (2) offensive items on a tank when you're losing is the basic mentality of bronze, and yes sunfire is an offensive item.


PS : I know what I'm talking about I'm probably as bad as you at this game (profile), but I don't do rankeds because I know I'm bad and I won't embarass myself as long as I don't feel ready.

 

[Dre89]

http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=dre89 I don't know the name of your alt so I can't judge.

But from what I can indeed judge :
-you can't blame your team on dying 11 times, somewhere between 3 and 5 deaths you have to take a step back and reflect on your actions
-it was ranked 5s which is even worse than soloQ because you know your mates
-building two (2) offensive items on a tank when you're losing is the basic mentality of bronze, and yes sunfire is an offensive item.


PS : I know what I'm talking about I'm probably as bad as you at this game (profile), but I don't do rankeds because I know I'm bad and I won't embarass myself as long as I don't feel ready.

Ranked 5s means it's a higher standard of play , so I have no idea how it's relevant when I'm saying that I'm clearly better than Bronze soloque. And I never said I blamed my team for all those deaths. That was during a tilt, and I don't go 3/11 in Bronze anymore if I play on my main.

I don't build offensive items anymore when I'm behind unless I'm playing Zed or Rumble. Now I just do meta builds.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Ranked 5s means it's a higher standard of play , so I have no idea how it's relevant when I'm saying that I'm clearly better than Bronze soloque. And I never said I blamed my team for all those deaths. That was during a tilt, and I don't go 3/11 in Bronze anymore if I play on my main. I don't build offensive items anymore when I'm behind unless I'm playing Zed or Rumble. Now I just do meta builds.

Just play in a duo with someone from your ranked 5 team. Then again why bother if you're just going to level the smurf. You know you'll drop divisions in promotionals so you want to at least Silver II this season before they do the elo reset and introduce season six.

 

[KRDsonic]

Have you tried Vi? I find her fun and I usually hate jungling.

I'm waiting for her to be on free week so I can finally try her. I've never used her, but she looks like she has the qualities that I like about Warwick. A nice melee champ with a quick gap-closer, and good at sticking to champions.

Also, Dre. Pokemon is not the most RNG-based competitive game out there. Try Yugioh. You'll see what I mean. And before you try to argue about it, I've played competitive pokemon a long time.

This is from a while back, before I took a break from it.
http://s179.photobucket.com/user/KRDsonic/media/39_zps5de42e56.png.html
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w299/KRDsonic/top100UU_zps68ae36f6.png

Actually, come to think of it, that's probably one of the reasons I have no interest in playing ranked in League. I already had one game that I put a lot of time into and got really far up there at, and surpassed my goal. I guess I don't feel like going through the effort of doing that again in another game.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Honestly I believe that even discussing Dre's skill misses the point, it doen't matter how good you are, even in a bronze game you'll always make mistakes and should always ask yourself "what could I have done better". Sure a challenger player in bronze will probably stomp so hard that he won't really be able to highlight stuff, but if you're losing you can always find something.

Relentlessly criticizing yourself is the path to self-improvement.

 

[teluoborg]

I disagree. While it's true that everyone makes mistakes, their number and gravity go down as you go up in rank. I have a large spectrum of ranks in my friend list and I can assure you that if Dre had the basics like he claims to he would at least be high plat.

@ Dre89 let's look at it this way :
-You claim that you're "good enough to play at higher elo"
BUT
-you don't think your performance in ranked 5 is relevant while it's a higher standard of play.

So you say you deserve better elo but not better standards of play ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

?

Besides in ranked 5 you get to choose your team mates, you get to settle on each other's role beforehand, you can discuss before and during the game via voice chat, you get a much more dynamic synergy with your team, etc etc so if anything it should be a better display of your skill than solo Q since you have to deal with a lot less random elements.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Totally off topic, but Ive been doing this for a while (like a year now actually) and I dont know why other people havent, but Top/Mid lane RoA Vel'Koz rushing max CDR into full tank is ******** and I love it. You melt EVERYTHING, have immense amounts of cc, and you live forever, especially if you have a true tank on the team (like a cinderhulk jungler) so that you can still play half frontline half backline. ****s crazy yo.

EDIT: Was curious exactly when I did start doing it and checked my match history, turns out I started way back on 8/11/2014 where I stacked the **** out of armor and got like second item Frozen Heart since I was against an all AD team (MF, Jarvan, Braum, Heca, Yasuo) and realized I still did way too much damage. Instantly thought about trying RoA for obvious reasons, tried it in the next game, and the rest is history.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I'm waiting for her to be on free week so I can finally try her. I've never used her, but she looks like she has the qualities that I like about Warwick. A nice melee champ with a quick gap-closer, and good at sticking to champions.

Hahahahahaha. Vi has issues with sticking close to people without being the abusive one in the relationship. Her closest relationship is with Caitlyn but even then she makes sure to not get within arms reach if things don't look good.

 

[john!]

dre, have you begun emulating my solo queue playstyle yet? here is how i reached diamond:

- never play FOTM champions because only sheep play those and having honor is more important
- flame and blame your teammates for their inferior intellects and willingness to sacrifice their honor
- select karthus (any role)

let me know if you find success with these methods (you will)

 

[adumbrodeus]

I disagree. While it's true that everyone makes mistakes, their number and gravity go down as you go up in rank. I have a large spectrum of ranks in my friend list and I can assure you that if Dre had the basics like he claims to he would at least be high plat.

Yes but the point of the article was self-criticism, including criticism about those increasingly small mistakes which in turn against stronger and stronger opponents will have larger impacts to the point where what would be a tiny mistake in silver is a complete gamechanging throw in challenger.

In particular gleeb has talked extensively about the value of self-criticism for self improvement at all levels of play. There's never a point complaining about your team because you can't change your team, you can only change yourself and eliminate your mistakes however small they may be.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I have an account in Silver V and and my original account which I gave to my League friend after she got banned which is in Bronze III-V back and forth. I like playing in Silver, simply because I don't have to carry my lane every game and can win going even. This doesn't mean that we win because someone else carried, it's just that in Silver people cooperate much better and want to cooperate with one another. For instance, our top laner got caught in a gank and I ping arrows to chart a path to let them know where to meet up with me. Without hesitation they follow the arrows and we end up counter-ganking them. In bronze, they literally run in the opposite direction or think that the arrows mean that I'm already in that location. The communication issues/assumption is all incorrect and you will find behaviors like having no focus in a teamfight will impact you severely in bronze games (which is why split push champions are so effective).

That being said, there are still core issues common in silver and bronze in terms of basic game knowledge because for a lot of people silver + bronze are essentially the same thing since new players can still be placed into Silver V with only three wins out of their ten game series when they start out. After their first season, their ranked elo drops way down presumably because of the fact that riot saturates new level 30s with low silver status even if they do ok in their next season promos like 5-5 or 6-4. I find it less important to stress whether you are silver or bronze and more important to realize that silver and bronze are a continuum.

You will find that as you climb bronze you will get people who are on serious tilt with five ranked losses and still going downhill from their initial silver placement because they are still a new player who doesn't have a grip over dragon timers, wards, and that effective jungling is not farming your camps without getting killed by the enemy jungler. Since team play begins to crumble the lower you go, some of the things they were able to get away with and supplement with active team play begins to fall apart and they become bitter and blame their team.

Essentially bronze and silver are the opening stages of the game, both are relatively irrelevant and don't have marked benefits like getting a new skin. In both elos you can hide in a bush and chunk off a quarter of their hp in mid lane. And in both elos you see early laning phase champions are extremely popular since neither side knows how to work from a deficit, yet also don't know how to snowball a lead. The disorganized chaos between these two factors are what makes games so agonizing.

Despite this there are many, many people who have climbed out of bronze and still play in the same games as you in Silver and honestly if you can't climb out of Bronze then you have to respect the fact that these people just know how to carry the game to a better extent than you can. RNG and luck are non-deniable factors, but the fact that people are able to still win in 1 v. 5 situations with a dead potato team means that your game knowledge is insufficient.

Then again I always believe that there were things I could do to prevent catastrophic games like this from happening:

Spoiler

 

[Z'zgashi]

If I had a dollar for every time Ive had a Quinn bug happen to me, Id be able to retire.

 

[Dre89]

Lol at the Zed nerf. Why would you nerf a champion that sucks in this meta and already has the most counters/counterplay of any champion in the game. Unless you have like 20 kills, you basically cannot assassinate anyone come 30 minutes except for possibly a caster support or an AD mid.

At least this will lower his ban-rate in lower elo hopefully. Then again lower elo players are probably too dumb to realise how significant this nerf is.

Stuff

You shouldn't have to be able 1v5 carry in Bronze just to get Silver. Most Silvers and Golds cannot consistently do that. You deserve to be in X elo if you can maintain a 50% winrate there. That's way easier than 1v5 carrying 10 games in a row in Bronze. Remember, in those 1v5 games you won't solokill your laner more than twice because the jungler will make it a 1v2 lane.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Black Cleaver.

 

[teluoborg]

There's a funny thing with Riot : with every new champ that comes out you think they've broken a new barrier in mobility creep and can't do more ridiculous (Riven, Yasuo, Kalista, Bard). Well they can

A dash AND a gap closer in the same skill, not counting the movespeed buff + slow on his (surprisingly single) passive, the slow on his Q, the Slow on his W and the dash on his ult.

At this point all I can do is be in awe.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

There's a funny thing with Riot : with every new champ that comes out you think they've broken a new barrier in mobility creep and can't do more ridiculous (Riven, Yasuo, Kalista, Bard). Well they can

A dash AND a gap closer in the same skill, not counting the movespeed buff + slow on his (surprisingly single) passive, the slow on his Q, the Slow on his W and the dash on his ult. At this point all I can do is be in awe.

I don't personally care about the slow aspect on his W, it's the stun duration lasting 2.25 seconds that bothers me and lacked common sense. Amumu's ultimate lasts 2 seconds and has a cooldown of 110 seconds when maxed. Ekko with only one point in his W + E has a 22/15 second cooldown meaning that he essentially has a harder form of CC than Amumu that's non-tied to ultimate. Also, after Amumu ults his only escape is using his Q on a nearby champion/minion which is why he acts as a first engage/hard engage tank. Ekko's ultimate is a blink where he is allowed some room to reposition himself from his initial blink location allowing him to likely escape even a bad engage if he positions himself in a good area to use flash/ghost.

At max levels on W + E with max CDR his CD on his abilities are 8.4/4.2 respectively. If you factor in the fact that his ultimate makes him intangible for four seconds and allows him to reposition he should be able to use his E again to escape if he is being camped and will be able to re-engage against with W + E when E comes off CD for another AoE stun. Build him with Nashor's Tooth, Lich Bane, Rabandon's, Zhonya's, Morello's/Athene's and Sorc Shoes/Void Staff for an assassin build. You should build able to proc Lich Bane twice since he has his Q to slow the enemy post-stun and his E to dash.

What's scarier is if you just build him like a bruiser and let him just CC people. Spirit visage + Frozen heart. Lich Bane + Rabadon's. Throw in any two additional items, it doesn't matter. Put him in the jungle. W + E enemy laners from a bush, How hard is it to land a dome like slow + stun, then follow up with Q after a 2.25 second stun and by the time you travel to the next lane you should be ready to gank another lane. His W is the stupidest part of his kit because it's short comings are nonsensical considering it's strengths within the spell alone.

Actually 3 second delay on the sphere forming. I still think his ratios are insane for purely sieging purposes. He's a secondary engage, not a primary. To tap him to his full potential he works best with someone else with a knock up or a stun that can act as the hard engage.

 

[KRDsonic]

Right, so. My team on league decided to do ranked 3 v 3s while I was gone and they got Bronze IV. So... now I'm showing up at Bronze IV because of them, for games I wasn't even there for D:

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Right, so. My team on league decided to do ranked 3 v 3s while I was gone and they got Bronze IV. So... now I'm showing up at Bronze IV because of them, for games I wasn't even there for D:

It's easy IP. Oh oh. Why don't you just make a new 3 v. 3 team? Like can't you just disband the current team and make a new one and do it all over again?

It's going to be okay. If you want to know how to climb out of Bronze V it involves bushes. Lots of bushes and waiting excitedly like a little school girl waiting for them to come out to play with you. Then when you see them you gleefully hop unto them to show your affection and pound your happiness into them. Don't get too excited with the passion, you should let your affection swell deep inside of you so it can ignite when you see them again. For now you should clear the lane as much as possible so you can hug them again from the very same bush to commemorate your first anniversary. Now you can light up the passion and watch them as they try to run away from your inevitable affection killing them over and over again.

 

[KRDsonic]

Just did my first ranked game, and duoed with one of my friends. wtf both team comps. http://i.imgur.com/PdBMdFi.png

Mid lane was Leona vs. Braum. This is not what I was expecting. I lost though, but eh. Team was bad, I was bad. My bad for picking a champion I haven't used in a while.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Ekko seems rly fun, too bad he's a squishy Melee AP from the looks of it.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Just did my first ranked game, and duoed with one of my friends. wtf both team comps. http://i.imgur.com/PdBMdFi.png Mid lane was Leona vs. Braum. This is not what I was expecting. I lost though, but eh. Team was bad, I was bad. My bad for picking a champion I haven't used in a while.

Their top laner was really good. I wouldn't take it personally. I would just blame Yasuo for being a p.o.s. for picking Yasuo into top lane and hilariously getting styled on by a Gangplank with a Critplank setup.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I dont even think Ekko's mobility is that over the top, his dash is SUPER short ranged and you CANT MOVE after it or you cancel the blink, and even then its a smaller blink than Flash (or the same, that or slightly smaller cant remember). Add in that the blink HAS to be targeted, either youre forced to short dash into a flash ranged targetable opponent that you know for a fact you will be in range of, or you get like the shortest dash in the game and you get no mobility (aside from his passive) for the next 20+ seconds. (I was wrong here lel) Completely fair and nowhere near broken imo. Its basically just Talon E but with two parts, VERY SLIGHTLY more range, and no damage amp or slow. And with his lack of guaranteed burst due to the delay on his Q's return and his W's 3 second start up, plus the fact that his ult cant damage someone he just barely jumped on, his mobility, while alright, doesnt even necessarily give him too much offensively, its more for follow up after someone else initiates.

He's gonna be ridiculous in team fight wombo combos though, and his aoe burst and mid teamfight mobility/cleanup with his passive is gonna be sweet.

 

[Sinister Slush]

You can move after the dash. It's about the same as Lucian.
It's still a dash. It's also 7 seconds at max rank since you obviously max that 2nd (not counting R)

 

[Dre89]

I don't get why people complain about the mobility creep. Mobility is a fun mechanic and it makes the game more dynamic. I'd rather have champions derive their power from a mechanic than be binary stat-balls like earlier champs.

 

[Z'zgashi]

You can? Daaaaamn, Ive never seen anyone move with it. Thats better then obv. Still though, that dash is still super short, it looks shorter than Lucian's.

 

[Sinister Slush]

7 second dash, 40% cdr is 4.20, his next auto also does 170 + .2% ap. Then you account his silver boltish passive where he slows/more damage. (which means more autos)
lol

 

[Z'zgashi]

It is shorter though, just checked, Lucian's is 425 range, Ekko's is 325.

And I wouldn't doubt that the CD is shortish at max rank, mobility on a ranged is worth much more than mobility on a melee.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I mean shorter doesn't matter when he can auto something and instantly blink to that too ala Rengar.
I'm watching some random streamer and he dodged a jinx ult by using the blink auto lol

 

[Z'zgashi]

Well i mean Ive dodged Jinx rockets with Zed shadows and I dont even need to target something, I dont see why having a targeted blink is so absurd

 

[Sinister Slush]

It's the fact it's a dash, blink that damages on next auto (sheen proc destroys the person even more), and on a 4.20 second cooldown if 40% cdr and cause they'll have prolly a stack or two on them already, you can chase forever from them being slow and you getting free movespeed for procing them like a gnarish passive.

Not saying it's broken or anything if that's why ur arguing, just saying it's kinda a thing you need to notice.