Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Yeah this changes everything, like Annie becoming more obnoxious than Kata.

It's also much easier to execute yourself even when the entire enemy team is alive.

 

[Dre89]

Just wanted to know if there any assassins that do well in the lategame. I've been trying to learn Zed but he can't assassinate anyone lategame and frankly other burst casters can snowball and impact a game way harder with nowhere near as much skill required. I just haven't really played any other assassins so I don't know which ones are still good at 6 items.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Leblanc.
She's OP still.

 

[Dre89]

Leblanc.
She's OP still.

I'm assuming she can still oneshot a carry in the lategame, but can she do anything after that?

 

[Sinister Slush]

One shot the mid laner and support next.

 

[Dre89]

One shot the mid laner and support next.

Even if the mid has Zhonyas?

I know her spells but I never understood how her burst rotation worked exactly

 

[Sinister Slush]

It works by every single ability lategame except maybe E doing a **** ton of damage while being on a decently low cooldown if you have morello's and been going the popular mid laner blues recently, 6/10/15 scaling CDR glyphs.
As long as you get the Q mark on someone, the other three abilities will **** on them.

Meanwhile, Zed and Ahri only do damage when they have their ults + charm up.

Spell rotation being click Q on someone, do W E or R and watch their health drop.

 

[Player-3]

or w into range then q r e and blink out for poke since ur ults on like a 15-20s cd

 

[Espy Rose]

****ing hate LB. What a stupid character.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

****ing hate LB. What a stupid character.

Nasus, Veigar.

 

[Soft Serve]

The ashe rework looks really tight tbh

 

[Sinister Slush]

Now the question is, does her passive scale since it's now just frost shot in her passive.

 

[Soft Serve]

I'm more interested in if the new q active with the stacks all apply on hit effects, or if it just doesn't extra dmg. Even though her kit is still based towards crit, multiple botrk hits would be so awesome

 

[teluoborg]

Nah, you're not doing 40% current hp per auto, sorry.

The bonus damage is counted as physical damage though, which means full BC stacks with one auto. Aside from that it's just a damage (and AS) boost. Bork might be interesting but IE rush still seems to be the best choice given the formula of her passive.

And about LB I've always seen her like a "win lane lose game" char. Idk but it looks like she stop doing anything relevant once both teams group, and even if she gets fed she struggles if you buy a banshee.

 

[KRDsonic]

LeBlanc is more of an early-game character. One of the people on my team mained her for a long time, but finally quit her since he didn't like how she starts to fall off compared to other mid-laners if it gets to late game, and our team doesn't tend to end games early. I can't seem to convince them that it's ok to push lane and roam, because they all seem to be deathly afraid that their lane opponent will stay in lane and somehow push the wave all the way back to their turret and take the turret at level 4 if they leave lane for even a second :/

Edit: I don't really understand how placement games work exactly. Me and some friends started doing ranked 5s, and most games, we wind up against gold/platinum players, and so we just get destroyed. I don't understand why we keep getting put against them >.<

On the bright side, I've learned that I don't go on tilt easily. Even when we're behind and I have teammates demanding for us to surrender and saying that we don't stand a chance, I can still make plays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsTUBb-LoE

 

[Espy Rose]

LeBlanc is more of an early-game character.

No.

 

[Dre89]

LeBlanc is more of an early-game character. One of the people on my team mained her for a long time, but finally quit her since he didn't like how she starts to fall off compared to other mid-laners if it gets to late game, and our team doesn't tend to end games early. I can't seem to convince them that it's ok to push lane and roam, because they all seem to be deathly afraid that their lane opponent will stay in lane and somehow push the wave all the way back to their turret and take the turret at level 4 if they leave lane for even a second :/

Edit: I don't really understand how placement games work exactly. Me and some friends started doing ranked 5s, and most games, we wind up against gold/platinum players, and so we just get destroyed. I don't understand why we keep getting put against them >.<

On the bright side, I've learned that I don't go on tilt easily. Even when we're behind and I have teammates demanding for us to surrender and saying that we don't stand a chance, I can still make plays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsTUBb-LoE

If your LB main isn't pushing lane and roaming that's probably why many of your games go to late. Might as well just play a mage if they don't want the burden of making plays. In 5s you can just ask the jungler to hold it if it gets pushed in anyway.

In placements the game assumes your team is around average MMR, so you're probably versing Silver teams. Their soloque rank isn't related to their 5s rank, so even if the players are Diamond the team may be lower.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

 

[Sinister Slush]

All mid lane did was switch between Cass and Azir.
Otherwise GE Tigers not good on this patch.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

All mid lane did was switch between Cass and Azir.
Otherwise GE Tigers not good on this patch.

Just can't get over the fact that SKT has such a deep talent pool and enough confidence to use their sub-mid and sub-jungler to win the playoff finals. GE had prep time, but I guess they just can't adapt to the current meta. I love their fashion sense.

 

[Dre89]

I can't get over the fact that of all the teams in the world to interchange their mid, it's the team with the best one in the world.

Also why do teams pick Zed in pro play. Why not just pick Talon if they want an AD assassin. There's much less counterplay to his burst and he's a better team fighter. He builds Hydra and Ghostblade so it's not like his split pushing is bad either.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Because Zed can escape after going all in with a single button while if Talon goes in he stays in.
Also Zed > Talon in every circumstance.

 

[Dre89]

Because Zed can escape after going all in with a single button while if Talon goes in he stays in.
Also Zed > Talon in every circumstance.

Zed has better escape than Talon I'll give you that. But how is Zed better in every circumstance?

 

[Sinister Slush]

Actually has an escape, more range during lane phase to bully enemy mid laner out. Split pushing infinitely better without the need of having to go hydra route, can do 2v1 or maybe even 3v1 much better as a fed zed compared to a fed talon.

Also why does everybody build black cleaver, it's such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad item on assassins.
Been seeing it on riven zed etc. Better to just build it on resourceless tanks top lane.
Like garen or Gnar lol

 

[Dre89]

Actually has an escape, more range during lane phase to bully enemy mid laner out. Split pushing infinitely better without the need of having to go hydra route, can do 2v1 or maybe even 3v1 much better as a fed zed compared to a fed talon.

Also why does everybody build black cleaver, it's such a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad item on assassins.
Been seeing it on riven zed etc. Better to just build it on resourceless tanks top lane.
Like garen or Gnar lol

Black Cleaver can be a decent option as a 5th or 6th item if you're split pushing against a tank. But yeah I think the item is pretty overrated on most AD casters. LW gives more personal damage for less gold and getting both is pretty inefficient a lot of the time as Cleaver shred reduces the amount of armour LW ignores.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Even then, an assassin build like Riven Talon Zed (in terms of AD damage, not including boots) is basically AD carry route.
Bork/Ghostblade first, then one of those 2nd, LW, BT or Mercurial, and IE or GA if they want defense or more damage.
20% cdr early on isn't good on zed and talon cause that'd require them having a blue with that kinda cdr coupled with the possible 5 run in masteries + Ghostblade (35%)

Riven gets her full 40% cdr from ghost lucidity masteries and runes. So no need for a low 40 damage armor shred with 20% cdr when you can go ghostblade and have crit chance + move/attackspeed

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

On the bright side, I've learned that I don't go on tilt easily. Even when we're behind and I have teammates demanding for us to surrender and saying that we don't stand a chance, I can still make plays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lsTUBb-LoE

I don't really understand why anyone would make a ranked five team with people who can't cooperate or get along well. Malphite and Wukong obviously wanted to poach that and could have gotten it & gotten away. Wukong's ultimate was up, but he never even used it before dying. Malphite's ultimate came up at the time dragon was incredibly open to being poached. Not to mention Janna's ultimate was up as well which could have either been used to disrupt the enemy jungler from smiting it or could have been used as a disengage to scatter the enemy team if you guys decided to go for dragon.

The fact that you guys were debaing about surrendering was pretty cringe worthy since you've basically given up at that point with one or two people being more concerned about outside of game factors rather than trying to overcome a twenty kill discrepancy. Like I understand why you would want to surrender, however I don't understand what the point is in even arguing about it if you end up making your in-game experience even more miserable by not being proactive and constructive about the current game.

Jinx got greedy and decided to play like Hecarim charging straight at you with the MS boost while she was low on health. In all honesty based on that small clip their team seemed to be in just as hot a mess as yours. Honestly I don't think you guys should have even contested dragon, should have pushed a wave and gone for a tower at that point if it wasn't fifth dragon. Also can we talk about the Viktor pick. You have a Malphite, a Janna, and a Wukong. If you told me that this was a ranked five team and asked me who to guess the mid laner was I would never guess it would be Viktor.

 

[KRDsonic]

We mainly did it to see how it would go. Several of them really wanted to do ranked 5s, and since the mid-laner is my boyfriend, I offered to fill their last spot if they couldn't find anyone. It was just kind of a "Hey, we're all online. Let's try this out and see how this goes" situation. As far as team comps, go, we've tried discussing them, but everyone tends to go to "Well I'll just play this character because I like them". We're not expecting make it to high ranks or anything, but we are expecting to at least be able to learn from our games. I personally hate playing solo or duo, so I generally only play league if we have at least 4 or 5 of us.

Out of curiosity, who would you suggest for mid instead of Viktor? One of the problems we have is that not all of us have many champions. Jad (our mid) only owns 16. I'm assuming Yasuo, because of all the knock-ups, but unfortunately, he refuses to play any assassins and only plays mages. As far as Janna goes, the enemy team had Thresh, and both of us main Sona as our support. I went ahead and took Caitlyn, since he said he'd be fine with going Janna, even though he doesn't have that much experience with her.

As far as the arguing and stuff goes, I've gotten to where I just don't even say anything anymore. When they were arguing about surrendering, I just stayed quiet and focused on gameplay.

Also, as far as team comps go, what kind of teams would be good? As far as roles go, we'll most-likely keep Jad mid on Viktor. Our top laner plays Wukong, Riven (though his Riven almost always feeds), aaaand... can't remember who else he has. He's played with us the least out of all of us. Our jungler plays Malphite and nautilus mainly, though he owns a lot of champions and is completely fine with using almost everyone. For bot lane, me and our other person switch back and forth between support and adc. My adcs are Kog'maw, Caitlyn, Jinx, and Twitch, and his are Ashe and Sivir. My supports are Sona, Lulu, Janna, Nami, Blitzcrank, and Taric, and he mainly plays Sona but also has Janna.

 

[Dre89]

Non-meta team comps are viable at any level of play

When I was a fresh 30 we used to beat teams full of NA Diamonds and Challengers with a Fiora-Soraka bot lane

What's more important is having good players in the right places. Your mid and ADC need to be very good players. Always put your best two players here as they are the most impactful positions and are the most demanding.Your top at least needs to have solid lane mechanics and be able to farm properly. For jungle and support you can throw in any random Bronze 5ers and just tell them what to do. Obviously it's better to have good players there too but it's not necessary for beating high level teams if the carries are strong mechanically and are good shotcallers.

 

[KRDsonic]

I went ahead and talked to some of them about switching roles, and mentioned how things like Viktor when we have a Janna, Malphite, and Wukong isn't really the best pick, and they agreed. Not sure what roles we'll all do yet. I'm probably going to take top. Having Rumble, Gnar, and Nasus as picks makes me the most versatile top on our team. We're also planning to switch our mids, so we'll have someone with a variety. Unfortunately, our only person who plays any assassins is also pretty bad at csing, so he's going to either stay jungle, or go support.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Out of curiosity, who would you suggest for mid instead of Viktor? One of the problems we have is that not all of us have many champions. Jad (our mid) only owns 16. I'm assuming Yasuo, because of all the knock-ups, but unfortunately, he refuses to play any assassins and only plays mages. As far as Janna goes, the enemy team had Thresh, and both of us main Sona as our support. I went ahead and took Caitlyn, since he said he'd be fine with going Janna, even though he doesn't have that much experience with her.

When I think of your team comp, I think it's strength is in sustained DPS. However, there is no carry threat on your team that has high burst damage or instantaneous DPS that can face melt the enemy team. With such a composition you can be kept incredibly safe especially with the Janna, however my take is that Caitlyn is known for falling off in mid game because she has no steroids or 1 v. 1 dueling strengths when she doesn't have a teammate to force the opponent to back off and respect your range advantage.

As far as the arguing and stuff goes, I've gotten to where I just don't even say anything anymore. When they were arguing about surrendering, I just stayed quiet and focused on gameplay.

This strikes me as being such a Solo-Q thing as people go silent or mute the entire team when someone starts flaming or becoming toxic. I think arguing is good to improve, but not when the conversation is about why someone didn't push the surrender button. The comment about recommending someone to watch Sky also made me cringe a little. He isn't a bad streamer, it's just that you get much more game related commentary from someone like Trick2G who streams bronze/silver/gold games and comments on what is good and bad about the approach people have to the game.

Also, as far as team comps go, what kind of teams would be good? As far as roles go, we'll most-likely keep Jad mid on Viktor. Our top laner plays Wukong, Riven (though his Riven almost always feeds), aaaand... can't remember who else he has. He's played with us the least out of all of us. Our jungler plays Malphite and nautilus mainly, though he owns a lot of champions and is completely fine with using almost everyone. For bot lane, me and our other person switch back and forth between support and adc. My adcs are Kog'maw, Caitlyn, Jinx, and Twitch, and his are Ashe and Sivir. My supports are Sona, Lulu, Janna, Nami, Blitzcrank, and Taric, and he mainly plays Sona but also has Janna.

Right now champs and compositions don't really matter as much as getting in game play and getting used to match ups. Team Builder is a lot less stressful than Ranked 5's and can be used as practice over playing ranked 5's. Discussing who has an ultimate up or agreeing on order of combos can also help. The only reason why I think Solo Q is better to learn over Ranked 5's is because you can feed as much as you want and feel personal pressure to win which improves your own game play over discussing how the team screwed up on numerous aspects. I think ranked 5's can be analogized to playing in a band. If the individual talent is still developing and polishing on their own performance then there is really nothing to take away from playing as a group because no one has a core idea of what their game play should be as a solo player. When you play as a 5-man there is a lot of noise that I just don't want to deal with when there are so many things that I have to familiarize with in the game that I'm still largely unaware of at the moment.

 

[KRDsonic]

The others actually do play Solo queue a lot. I'm the only one who doesn't, since I have really bad anxiety problems and have trouble dealing with all of the toxicity in it. With that said, I know most of the bot lane matchups really well.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

The others actually do play Solo queue a lot. I'm the only one who doesn't, since I have really bad anxiety problems and have trouble dealing with all of the toxicity in it. With that said, I know most of the bot lane matchups really well.

I don't find Solo Q to be that toxic. I find the responses to be warranted most of the time. Today, I'm in champion select for the fourth time having three other selections cancel on me that were seemingly going pretty well only to have the first person ban: Warwick, Soraka, and Gangplank. Okay. Then they are first pick and lock in Jinx. Okay. "I'm going mid, don't worry, I'm good." Well, let me look at your lolking page: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/52835352#matches

 

[KRDsonic]

Yeah. Four of us know each other from another game, and started around the same time. Well, one of them has been playing since Season 2, but on NA, and this is EU West, so he had to make a new account for this server. The rest of us started near the end of S4 though, yeah. We actually had quite a bit of us start at the same time, and it slowly narrowed down, since some of the people were unwilling to work as a team (auto-locking every game, never pinging, never helping with leashing, etc.) but most of us are fairly new. We started near the end of S4, and I mained jungle back then, but hated the jungle changes so I switched.

There's another group I play with occasionally on NA, and in that group, we all get along just fine and work together well. It's just hard for me to find times to play with them since I work nightshift, and they're all awake during the day. The reason I'm able to play with the EU West people easily is cause our schedules line up.

 

[teluoborg]

Eyo KDR I didn't know you played on EUW. Add teluo if you want to play with me sometimes.

 

[KRDsonic]

Sure thing ^^

In other news, I don't understand why so many people can't seem to grasp the concept of warding. It's really frustrating having to play where I'm almost all of the vision we have because no one else wards.

I'm not saying it's just my teams, or people I get paired with either. I see it on the enemy teams too. There is no reason I should have literally over twice as many wards as anyone else in the whole game like this.

 

[Sinister Slush]

KRD playing on EUW and not NA when living in Houston I think.
What?

 

[KRDsonic]

KRD playing on EUW and not NA when living in Houston I think.
What?

I play on NA too. It's just that my boyfriend lives in UK. Not to mention that I physically couldn't play on NA when I started league because the servers were being hit by DDoS attacks, and my internet apparently didn't like me playing on the NA server for almost a month afterwards as well. I couldn't even get through the tutorial because of how much it kept disconnecting me.

 

[Sinister Slush]

That's weird. DDoS attacks stopped forever ago.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Oh my god. This SKT v. TSM game is great. I'm laughing so hard right now.

20 minutes into the game:
Kills: 20 to 3.
Towers: 5 to 2.
Dragons: 2 to 0.

Marin manages to complete an early game Frozen Mallet and just continues to **** Dyrus. Oh man.