Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Juno McGrath]

I'm pretty low elo, and i've played a quadrillion ranked games (Dekar would be proud), but I can smell a victory a mile away. Generally:
1. Get first blood as a jungler after advising someone 'how this will go down'. After this success, you'll find your entire team will listen to you, and do what you say.
2. You get 3 dragons in a row due to team leadership
3. You get a tower within the first 10 minutes.

This. Pretty smart post shaya, I notice this is how most udyr games go for me

Basically the pivotal part is explaining the "How this will go down" because you should always under estimate the person your ganking with intelligence wise.

lmfao dekar
you guys take this game to seriously just play for fun dont know why you guys think ranks is all there is to do. call me a baddie but i have more fun in normals then ranked.

For some people that is what normals are for, Ranked can be fun too depending on how much you dislike losing. But theres nothing wrong with liking normal more or not caring about your ELO

 

[tarmacker]

How do you guys build Udyr to jungle? Arm pen, dodge/armor, health quints (??) and mp/5 glyphs? Are mana regen worth it any more or is cdr or something better?

 

[Juno McGrath]

How do you guys build Udyr to jungle? Arm pen, dodge/armor, health quints (??) and mp/5 glyphs? Are mana regen worth it any more or is cdr or something better?

In the words of the man himself, heres a basic start

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12020595&postcount=4019

 

[KevinM]

lmfao dekar
you guys take this game to seriously just play for fun dont know why you guys think ranks is all there is to do. call me a baddie but i have more fun in normals then ranked.

Hey thanks for telling us how to play a game, clearly if we enjoy it in a different venue we are incorrect and your opinion has opened our eyes.

For being a competitive brawl player your opinions sure are scrubby.

.. Wait I think I assessed the problem.

 

[Wobbles]

I can say for sure that doing well on your own is not the key to breaking out of a low Elo.

For the characters that I know how to play, I lane pretty well. I almost never lose a lane with Urgot, I almost always pick up kills and out CS my opponent, and if I really want their tower I can typically get it. This is in the 1300s, mind you, so don't think I'm claiming pro status, but typically I am the owner of my lane. Only time I die in it is when I get a little cocky.

But if you're better than the rest of your team, you have to guide them. If you understand gameflow better then you have to dictate what that flow will be. I go 8-1-3 in the first 15 minutes and then my team can't take advantage... because a lot of the time I just kind of assume that we win. But we don't, because I **** my lane, go off to stomp another, my team decides to B when I come in so I just farm in their place, then the guy I **** catches up. Then they go off and die to HIM, putting him on an even level and getting my team farther behind.

tl;dr -- good starts make low-level players complacent. They become willing to trade and give away that advantage, not realizing that you can make up a level deficit quickly if people leave you alone long enough. If somebody's a low level they will be HAPPY if you say "Trist farm bot we'll push mid." Most of the time they know why they're losing but they're not sure how to fix it, or they get caught up in the wrong pace and decisions. Make those decisions for them and give a quick reason why it works to their advantage, and they'll listen.

Yeah it can be hard thinking for your entire team if they suck but sometimes they just won't do it for you. And if they won't you'll keep losing unless you fix that problem. I'm bad at this lol.

 

[jpak]

I can say for sure that doing well on your own is not the key to breaking out of a low Elo.

For the characters that I know how to play, I lane pretty well. I almost never lose a lane with Urgot, I almost always pick up kills and out CS my opponent, and if I really want their tower I can typically get it. This is in the 1300s, mind you, so don't think I'm claiming pro status, but typically I am the owner of my lane. Only time I die in it is when I get a little cocky.

But if you're better than the rest of your team, you have to guide them. If you understand gameflow better then you have to dictate what that flow will be. I go 8-1-3 in the first 15 minutes and then my team can't take advantage... because a lot of the time I just kind of assume that we win. But we don't, because I **** my lane, go off to stomp another, my team decides to B when I come in so I just farm in their place, then the guy I **** catches up. Then they go off and die to HIM, putting him on an even level and getting my team farther behind.

tl;dr -- good starts make low-level players complacent. They become willing to trade and give away that advantage, not realizing that you can make up a level deficit quickly if people leave you alone long enough. If somebody's a low level they will be HAPPY if you say "Trist farm bot we'll push mid." Most of the time they know why they're losing but they're not sure how to fix it, or they get caught up in the wrong pace and decisions. Make those decisions for them and give a quick reason why it works to their advantage, and they'll listen.

Yeah it can be hard thinking for your entire team if they suck but sometimes they just won't do it for you. And if they won't you'll keep losing unless you fix that problem. I'm bad at this lol.

Remember when you played 5s with me all the time 4+ months ago? Comebackkkkkkkk

 

[Juno McGrath]

I am so bad at ARAM wtf lol

 

[M3D]

My problem with ranked is that the investment just isn't worth it for me without a full team. In solo queue, the amount of fun I have winning a ranked game doesn't come anywhere close to the frustration I feel in the bad games. So every now and again I queue up, and either win with a LITTLE BIT of fun or lose with a LOT of really frustrating events... that's just not worth my time.

Ranked 3s with Dekar & co or full-on ranked fives with friends is worth my time, but hard to collect enough players who are competent and want to play ranked. So most of the time I'm just playing normals and instead of tryharding, I'm funharding with random characters. I'm too old to give a crap about my ePeen and I don't have enough time to waste not having fun just to stroke it.

 

[Wobbles]

Oh yeah, and if you can pick an enemy champ to **** and just keep underleveled, their team WILL blame the loss on them prematurely and sometimes you can force a ragequit.

"dude u suck"
"screw u they keep ganking me"
"stop getting ganked noob"
"shut up i go afk"

And then bam, 4v5. It's kind of why I like playing Urgot, if you have certain teammates you can pick someone on the other team and make their life a living hell. Urgot + Warwick = guaranteed ganks all day erryday. Don't let that Anivia get past level 12 all game, her teammates will hate her :D

 

[Ragnar0k]

Every ranked game that I've won was due to strong leadership on my part. I believe leadership is the key to doing well because it inspires teamwork which is ultimately necessary. People trapped in "Elo hell" think things are out of their control when really they aren't. All you have to do is have proper communication and things will go exactly how you want them.

 

[Shaya]

Yeah... about the frustration thing...
Used to get really frustrated all the time,
and honestly its what sucks the most about ranked solo queue.

Usually it goes a little something like this
'okay guys, its 25 minutes, we're definitely going to lose this.
*surrender*
surrender vote failed: 2/3.
-20 minutes later-
**** YOU
**** THEM
YOU SHOULD DIE IN FIRE
U R BAD UNINSTALL
*finally nexus goes down*
OMG WORST TEAM MATES EVER
LOL ELO HELL SUCH BADDIES'

That's the games I hate the most.
If people weren't so stubborn in ranked, it wouldn't be so stressful and rage inducing as most people complain about.

People should be able to see a game is over and just be willing to surrender because 'gg, we got outplayed'.
but NUP.
gonna hang in there for 20+ minutes so everyone wants to pull their hair out.

 

[UTDZac]

For jungle Udyr I go:

Start with Long sword is 100% better.

Get someone to take aggro first from blue.
Learn which stances to use when.
At end of jungle you have enough for Madreds on first back, or you have enough health for gank asap.

There's no reason to use Cloth Armor anymore. This works with 21/0/9 or 0/21/9, havent tested others.

 

[Mogwai]

For jungle Udyr I go:

Start with Long sword is 100% better.

Get someone to take aggro first from blue.
Learn which stances to use when.
At end of jungle you have enough for Madreds on first back, or you have enough health for gank asap.

There's no reason to use Cloth Armor anymore. This works with 21/0/9 or 0/21/9, havent tested others.

21/0/9 is so pro. I also love how it gives you 2 tiger stances at first, so ****ing hax. man, udyr's a dirty dirty cheater.

 

[Leacero]

I wanna point out that this topic has exploded in activity over the past few months. :D

 

[Mogwai]

i still open cloth with udyr so that I can gank at the end of my full sweep, but I haven't tried it with mid leashing the golem for me or with armor on my seals (not sure about your exact spec zac). level 4 double buff udyr gank is just too strong IMO.

unrelated, dekar, who's in your 3s team? Also, teach me to not be a TT noob, I'm really interested in getting better at the map, but I dun know how exactly cause I've just been carrying my roommates up until 1500 and now it feels like a brick wall where we either win at picks (lol, didn't ban mundo or singed, herpdederp) or we run into 1700 teams that roflstomp us with double jungle + malz.

 

[-Vocal-]

Who here likes playing melee DPS character, like Olaf, Xin, WW, etc? I'm in love with Karma and after comparing her kit to the other supports in the game for a little while I'm getting the impression that she brings more to a melee DPS rather than everyone in general. Don't get me wrong, she can give good team wide support, but she's got a haste/slow to help a melee get in/out and slow his targets, a burst shield that fully takes advantage of him being in the middle of the fray, and a clutch heal that can save him on the way out. I'd love to play some games with someone who plays melees fairly regularly to see if maxing Bond and Shield equally can lead to some good results.

 

[DallasPhat]

Hey thanks for telling us how to play a game, clearly if we enjoy it in a different venue we are incorrect and your opinion has opened our eyes.

For being a competitive brawl player your opinions sure are scrubby.

.. Wait I think I assessed the problem.

So, me telling people to remember to play for fun is telling people how to play a game? I think I'm just stating the obvious reason why you're playing a game for, and thats to have fun. Not having fun in ranks then maybe it's best to play normals for a while. No reason to flame me cause I think playing normals maybe good for you. It's not an insult to anyone skill level, in normals I get to mess around with builds, jungling paths and do things I wouldn't normally do cause everyone else are trying new things out as well. No reason to insult someone who's trying to give people advice. And thanks for the insult, just cause I play "competitive brawl" my opinion must be garbage of course. FLAWLESS logic, ya prick. Anyways I'm 100% sure I'm better then you at league.

 

[Teh Brettster]

I'm not a fan of ranked games myself. Probably because I've played a total of four games and I had the worst teammates against the most tryhard enemies/team comps ever. The other reason is that I just... I do NOT feel like taking time to build my ELO in ranked... I may do it in season 2, but when season 1 came around, I was nowhere near 30 and never wanted to catch up.

 

[UTDZac]

i still open cloth with udyr so that I can gank at the end of my full sweep, but I haven't tried it with mid leashing the golem for me or with armor on my seals (not sure about your exact spec zac). level 4 double buff udyr gank is just too strong IMO.

Reds: flat atk
Yellows: flat armor (more health after first jungle pass) / dodge (better late game)
Blues: atk speed
Quints: atk speed / atk dmg

• Long Sword + 1 Health Pot.
• Get someone to hit blue and run away.
• Use 2 Tigers on blue, no more.
• Tiger big wolf, then spam 2 turtles, keep stance between turtles.
• Tiger big wraith then spam 2 turtles, keep stance between turtles.
• Use Health pot if you plan on ganking
• Tiger/Turtle/Tiger/Turtle/Turtle red.
• Finish off double golem the back/gank.

21/0/9 is beasty but I'm not sure how viable it is.

 

[Dekar173]

Have you guys tried soloing with broken *** Udyr?

Also about ELO etc. don't let it get you down, but don't go talking **** to other players if you're a "low level" player, that's just asking to get flamed into the ground.

Tips for solo queue:

Tell the captain who you want banned, if you're the cap, ask for suggestions. IT IS A TEAM GAME.

Tell the captain who you want to play, if you're a captain it is assumed that if you're playing an appropriate character, you can solo. You're higher ELO than the rest of your team for a reason (hopefully).



Ask who's gonna jungle, monitor SS but don't flame, and most importantly- be ready to lose 50% of your games in solo queue due to poor decisions on your teammate's parts.

 

[ArcNatural]

Thanks for the WW help Mogwai, jungling with him now is pretty solid and I often gank easily at 6 sometimes lower (Ashe + WW is I think a practically gauranteed gank if you get both ults). Zoso and I destroyed Mid lane in practically every game we played.

Watched HotShotGG play last night where he had two great games one as Ezreal and one as Shaco. They were just really cool games to watch. He made a ton of extremely well played sequences where his map awareness was ridiculous. His char ability flashes are always so perfectly spaced.

Ezreal looks like a ton of fun to play. He may be my AD champ in the future. For now though just going to focus my IP on getting my rune sets complete for level 30.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Ezreal looks like a ton of fun to play. He may be my AD champ in the future. For now though just going to focus my IP on getting my rune sets complete for level 30.

Ezreal is very to play. I had a ridiculously amazing game last night. My team was losing for the majority of the game because their Teemo literally littered the entire mid and jungle with shrooms so at the beginning of every team fight shrooms were exploding everywhere. So I bought an oracles cleared the whole place, stacked two BTs, got a guards and had Rammus, and Zilean chaperon me everywhere with his ult just in case, and started to run train.

 

[Mogwai]

Reds: flat atk
Yellows: flat armor (more health after first jungle pass) / dodge (better late game)
Blues: atk speed
Quints: atk speed / atk dmg

• Long Sword + 1 Health Pot.
• Get someone to hit blue and run away.
• Use 2 Tigers on blue, no more.
• Tiger big wolf, then spam 2 turtles, keep stance between turtles.
• Tiger big wraith then spam 2 turtles, keep stance between turtles.
• Use Health pot if you plan on ganking
• Tiger/Turtle/Tiger/Turtle/Turtle red.
• Finish off double golem the back/gank.

21/0/9 is beasty but I'm not sure how viable it is.

21/0/9 is viable, I use it all the time. The question is whether it's optimal. My jungle clear is stupidly fast and my gank is strong, but I'm 4 HP pots down from where you start, which is definitely noticeable and probably mostly works just because I get so many successful ganks from clearing the jungle so quickly. Maybe I'll start experimenting a little harder... I think I'll try:
0/21/9, 3 AD Red, 6 AS Red, AD Quints, Dodge Yellows, AS Blues with a Long Sword opening and see how that affects my jungle clear time and my jungle clear health. As I'm thinking about it, having nimbleness to synergize with Monkey's Agility would probably be very useful for chasing ranged carries all game long.

Have you guys tried soloing with broken *** Udyr?

yes, I did this after I figured out that you were right about irelia being bonkers.

solo Udyr is extremely niche. He'll eat up Melee champs and generally take it in the *** from ranged champs (if they're any good). It's Garen all over again, you win lanes where they have to get close to you or they facecheck like an idiot, and you'll lose lanes where they just sit there and farm.

 

[DanGR]

I beat an Anivia with solo-mid Udyr once... That should go without saying the guy did everything wrong lol.

 

[Mogwai]

yea, I mean, udyr's got a haste and all, but so long as the ranged character has any cc or any escape, they should always be able to trade hits for no hits vs. udyr, it's impossibly frustrating.

 

[DMG]

Imagine if his haste was a charge in like Xin

Dear God

 

[Vex Kasrani]

I beat an Anivia mid with Garen.

He's too good now obv.

 

[KevinM]

We were talking about how Karthus should have a 0 second cooldown on his ult and how funny it would be to hit 6 sit in the fountain and just spam that ****.

Clearly the new direction League should take.

@Dphat: lol

 

[Ignatius]

Globals are banned in WTF mode, everyone knows that Kevin.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Hey can someone give me some help on Kog'Maw? My friend plays him and feels like he just isn't doing enough.

I think he goes AD and Attack Speed.

Can someone give me some tips on builds/masteries/rune to tell him?

 

[@TKbreezy]

I like the team composition of solo queue sometimes.

I played a game about 2 games ago where I was irelia and I went 15/4/18 (or something like that) it was a 60 minute game...lmao but what really made it fun was the way the team acted

Me- team leader from 25 minutes in to the end at like the 30 min mark I literally said "guys I'm about to put the team on my back"

Ryze - New guys...typed a lot Fed alot at the beginning but LISTENED TO EVERYTHING I SAID which was pretty much "run with me and when I go on do your snare combo, easy kills between irelias damage output and the snare combo."

Shen - this guy was stacking Sunfire capes...LMAO we had to tell him that its a passive and it doesnt stack and to get warmogs armor by selling 2 of the 3 he already had.

Annie - the Team *******...didn't do much outside the usual Tibbers drop -> Dip! combo but he got a couple of key kills with it. EVERYTIME HE DIED THOUGH HE POPPED SURRENDER and it was 1/4 everytime...lmao

Xin - This guy didn't even talk but he still listened to atleast 75% of the stuff I said...at one point in the game me Him and shen just went around beating down towers and stomping on people who challenged us...lol

was definitley one of the most fun games I've played since I started playing

 

[Teh Brettster]

Hey can someone give me some help on Kog'Maw? My friend plays him and feels like he just isn't doing enough.

I think he goes AD and Attack Speed.

Can someone give me some tips on builds/masteries/rune to tell him?

Bloodrazorsssss

 

[Mogwai]

literally no one at high elo plays Kog anymore. He had his moment in the sun when he was bugged and hit critical mass way too quickly, but now he's just a ranged carry with sucky laning and no escape. If you really must play him, you hog red buff, run flash + ghost or cleanse get bloodrazors and just try to catch people with your W's range. post razors you should probably just get phage and then defensive crap.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Btw, not sure if I posted this thread in here, but it kinda sums up how I feel about LoL right now: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=490399

Honestly, I just don't have another game to turn to atm, so I have no reason to quit LoL right now. But unless they finally make things more interesting before something worthy is released I can't imagine playing this game for too much longer.

 

[Frolossus]

Btw, not sure if I posted this thread in here, but it kinda sums up how I feel about LoL right now: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=490399

Honestly, I just don't have another game to turn to atm, so I have no reason to quit LoL right now. But unless they finally make things more interesting before something worthy is released I can't imagine playing this game for too much longer.

hop on the DotA 2 bandwagon with the rest of us?
:D

 

[Juno McGrath]

Btw, not sure if I posted this thread in here, but it kinda sums up how I feel about LoL right now: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=490399

Honestly, I just don't have another game to turn to atm, so I have no reason to quit LoL right now. But unless they finally make things more interesting before something worthy is released I can't imagine playing this game for too much longer.

Good read SP.

Personally I dont feel the same right now, but with the direction the game itself is going ill be there before long.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

hop on the DotA 2 bandwagon with the rest of us?
:D

Naw, I've never been big in this genre in the first place. Not entirely sure why LoL caught my fancy like it did and for so long.

Good read SP.

Personally I dont feel the same right now, but with the direction the game itself is going ill be there before long.

Thats probably the most strange thing about the responses I've seen. Apparently I'm not alone in feeling this way, so clearly there IS something Riot is doing (or isn't doing) that is making the game feel more stale. Yet still nothing has been done about it

 

[Mogwai]

Btw, not sure if I posted this thread in here, but it kinda sums up how I feel about LoL right now: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=490399

Honestly, I just don't have another game to turn to atm, so I have no reason to quit LoL right now. But unless they finally make things more interesting before something worthy is released I can't imagine playing this game for too much longer.

Having there be constant sets of Masteries, Summoner Spells, and Items makes the ever changing pool of champions considerably easier to balance. I'm not going to say that there's no room for change in those areas, but with how they approach champion releases, shaking things up too much elsewhere would almost certainly break the game sooner or later.

I understand your complaints to an extent, but when you seem so interested in gimmicks and individual builds, I'm honestly shocked that you find yourself adamantly sticking to only 2 characters. I just don't get how you can want variance so much and yet not go out exploring the options that are already there for it.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Having there be constant sets of Masteries, Summoner Spells, and Items makes the ever changing pool of champions considerably easier to balance. I'm not going to say that there's no room for change in those areas, but with how they approach champion releases, shaking things up too much elsewhere would almost certainly break the game sooner or later.

What you're saying is true, it IS more difficult to balance the game when you make systemic changes. But frankly that's just an excuse in the end. They keep walking the safe path towards balancing and their game is steadily getting more stale to many players other than myself.

I would love to see LoL succeed. It would be awesome if they kick DoTA 2's ***. But if they continue down the current path till DoTA 2 is released, I can't imagine them retaining many of their players. I'm also willing to bet that they are sitting on some "big features" to counter DoTA 2, so if their playerbase doesn't get tired of waiting it might work to keep them in.

I understand your complaints to an extent, but when you seem so interested in gimmicks and individual builds, I'm honestly shocked that you find yourself adamantly sticking to only 2 characters. I just don't get how you can want variance so much and yet not go out exploring the options that are already there for it.

Why do people keep saying I "adamantly" stick to 2 characters? I don't WANT to. I give every champion a shot (several shots actually) before I make an opinion on them. But in the end I keep getting bored of other champions within a few games of playing them. Only my 2 mains are enjoyable enough for me to keep coming back to over and over without getting bored of them.

Besides, do you think I WANT to main 2 ****ty champions? I understand their flaws far better than other people do, and I don't pretend like they aren't garbage (GP being far worse than Gragas of course). But how good the champion may or may not be doesn't really change if I enjoy the game with them. Honestly if I farmed ELO I could probably get to 1750 maybe 1800 with a minimal amount of skill required by just playing flavors over and over again. Its just not fun for me to play flavors, even if I win.

 

[Mogwai]

well, I'm not saying it's a conscious decision, I'm more musing that it's an incredibly curious phenomenon with you. I mean, it seems like your enjoyment of this game derives from variety and experimentation, both of which should theoretically be obtainable through diversifying your character selection beyond 2, yet you claim that all you really want to do is experiment around with GP and Grag. It just seems odd is all.

And to be completely honest, I can't imagine that your suggestions would really keep you in the game. I mean, I know you talk about experimenting with builds and stuff, but at the end of the day, there are just going to be certain optimal ways to play each champion. Like, would a mastery setup that suddenly made AP Pirate viable REALLY do anything to change the way you think about the game or the enjoyment you could derive from it?