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Event - MLG Anaheim 2014 Getting more Brawl content on MLGpro.com and YouTube

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Pierce7d

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Naturally, we're all fans of competative video gaming. However, I will confess that I previously did not harbor much love for FPS games. Now they are starting to grow on me, and I realize that a large factor for this shift in mentality is due to MLG. With Smash on the circuit, I've decided to do my part, and actually read up on the MLG articles, and it's given me renewed interest in Halo.

While exploring the different aspects of the site, and of the league, I realize that Smash could have so much more going for it. We don't have tutorials by the pros. We're STARTING to get some interviews up, but not a lot. There aren't articles discussing the finer aspects of top level play and players. Hell, I think that there's even a talk show or something for Halo. There are 0 video interviews of Smash Players, and we're definitely not getting a lot of the HUGE personality that the Smash Community has to offer out to the public.

You all know that we as a community have a very strong charm in making people feel like they want to be a part of this crowd. We might quarral over topics like ledges, and stages, and characters and mechanics, but when it comes down to it, this community is awesome, and none of our faces are really making it to the public.

In this thread, I would really like to address the issue of getting more smash related content out there, for people to see what Smash is really about, and to learn better about the game. I think the primary reason why there aren't already series of videos teaching players basic strategies and getting everyone to a more proficient level is because of the following:

A) It's daunting to try and undertake by yourself, but no one has contemplated the idea of composing a team to do it.

B) People don't have the resources to do it, ESPECIALLY alone. I don't have the necessary tools to make videos, etc. It's also a time consuming factor, which means it's a project I'll be able to contribute to after this month, but before when I was in school, it would have been difficult.

C) A lot of people assume that the information they are looking for is available amongst the clutter of already existing mini-guides. This is blatantly false. I would say that sliding shield is the most powerful move in the game and that today's metagame revolves around it very heavily. I would also say that I haven't seen it addressed in a thread since it was first discovered in 2008.

So my goals are two-fold:

1) Get more smash personality out for the world to see. Interviews, talk sessions discussing high level play and players, tactics, etc.

2) Get more resources available to the public to show them a clear path to getting better, which will encourage more people to pick up the game, and help overall improve the quality of play.
 

GunmasterLombardi

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A lot of people gave Brawl attention when it was confirmed to be in MLG, but now the way I see it, people don't think it's anything big.

Everyone should read this and anyone who can help needs to go to work.
 

clowsui

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Fully supportive of this idea, few ways to start this up:
1. Have a "hub" site similar to shoryuken.com or eventhubs.com. SmashWorldNetwork.com would be great.

1a. AllisBrawl would be a great platform for this but there needs to be a link between Smashboards and AiB that is far more official than before. Possible discussion w/ Sundance, Neal and JV about making Smashboards the forums for both sites and AiB the hub site?

2. Community podcast, revival of the "Show Me Your News" platform. Interviews also possible through this platform. Weekly or bi-weekly format preferred. Multiple podcasts possible - have one weekly/bi-weekly and one monthly.

3. Expansion + promotion of "calendar" function that currently exists on Smashboards. Highly underused right now but has HUGE potential esp. with regards to local scene expansion + regional exposure.

4. Offer incentives for Media Representatives within the Smash community - i.e. complete reduction of Venue fee, free Singles/Doubles entry. Media Representatives' roles include setting up live stream, creating shirt/poster designs for regional/local tournaments, taking photos, taking video, interviewing, recording matches, etc. Obviously you're shooting for multiple Media Reps. Most current + famous + best example in the Brawl community is J.G. Wentworth with "Tourney Fixx". Examples outside of Brawl community: Sebiel - FrameAdvantageDotCom, popular streaming hub for EC events and Level|Up (CEO Alex Valle), popular streaming hub for WC events that is growing into a national level (MWC)

4a. Have professional level commentary. See Nintendude1189(sp?)'s thread. We cannot continue the high level of "inside joke", "shouting" commentary that has perpetuated since the advent of the Wombo Combo.

5. Offer incentives to Character Boards to write Community Guides - e.g. Premium Membership for each member that participates in the guide-making process. Offer similar incentives for those who maintain + update threads such as "Metagame Development", "Video/Video Critique"

6. Have Media Reps expand their own "scene" by creating incentives for Reps to write/record/develop guides for better Media Rep strategies.
 

RichBrown

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Pierce: I've been working very hard to pull some sort of reform over on allisbrawl. AllieD and MikeHAZE have been really helping me lately, but we need more people.

A small team of people could definitely make a massive impact on the scene and could help bring in new players and make this thing massive. We must take advantage of this opportunity.

For this week on AiB, I have an interview with DEHF (up right now) followed by more MLG related articles running through thursday. Then the homepage will just consist of MLG updates throughout the weekend. I'm linking AllieD's twitter in all of the because he ***** with his twitter updates.

But yeah, I'm definitely down for helping create more stuff to get people excited about this game.
 

GreenFox

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It's actually much more easier to find brawl information on smashboards than Halo on MLG theres plenty of guides and video critique threads I didn't see any of that for Halo just get better fast which is a load of **** these boards are huge and theres many tournament videos
 

Xyro77

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Word, as soon as I'm out of school, I'll try to make myself available to help in every way possible. With a good team, we can take this so much further.
Maybe you could start with interviewing the best player of each character. This would cover alot. Then maybe interview some of the best TEAMS players and that should cover alot as well.
 

Kewkky

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Maybe you could start with interviewing the best player of each character. This would cover alot. Then maybe interview some of the best TEAMS players and that should cover alot as well.
Leave Kirby for last then, so I can be in USA when you need the best mainer! :bee:

bet no one but kirby mainers will get this


The fact that all Brawl's got going for it, from a spectator's point of view, is just matches, kills interest people may have in the game. I've always thought about this, as a matter of fact, but at the same time, I've had no motivation as to start helping the community out like you're saying, Pierce. It might be that I live in Puerto Rico, where the general smash community's twenty times (or more) smaller than in USA, and all of the real active smashers are in USA... I could help with whatever people would ask of me, but it will probably have to be text-based due to this handicap of mine (living out-of-country in a much smaller community).
 

Calebyte

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I'm all for expanding the Smash community. I have a lot of skill with graphic design. If anyone could use my talents, hit me up.

Just don't ask me to do dumb stuff like make your signature or design your region's PR thread.

You can see my work at www.calebwinters.com
 

Shinjin

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I'm down for anything that needs help. I may not be a graphic designer, but I have got a lot of free time this summer. Contacting people, all that, creating material, whatever needs to be done!

1. Have a "hub" site similar to shoryuken.com or eventhubs.com. SmashWorldNetwork.com would be great.

1a. AllisBrawl would be a great platform for this but there needs to be a link between Smashboards and AiB that is far more official than before. Possible discussion w/ Sundance, Neal and JV about making Smashboards the forums for both sites and AiB the hub site?

2. Community podcast, revival of the "Show Me Your News" platform. Interviews also possible through this platform. Weekly or bi-weekly format preferred. Multiple podcasts possible - have one weekly/bi-weekly and one monthly.

3. Expansion + promotion of "calendar" function that currently exists on Smashboards. Highly underused right now but has HUGE potential esp. with regards to local scene expansion + regional exposure.

4. Offer incentives for Media Representatives within the Smash community - i.e. complete reduction of Venue fee, free Singles/Doubles entry. Media Representatives' roles include setting up live stream, creating shirt/poster designs for regional/local tournaments, taking photos, taking video, interviewing, recording matches, etc. Obviously you're shooting for multiple Media Reps. Most current + famous + best example in the Brawl community is J.G. Wentworth with "Tourney Fixx". Examples outside of Brawl community: Sebiel - FrameAdvantageDotCom, popular streaming hub for EC events and Level|Up (CEO Alex Valle), popular streaming hub for WC events that is growing into a national level (MWC)

4a. Have professional level commentary. See Nintendude1189(sp?)'s thread. We cannot continue the high level of "inside joke", "shouting" commentary that has perpetuated since the advent of the Wombo Combo.

5. Offer incentives to Character Boards to write Community Guides - e.g. Premium Membership for each member that participates in the guide-making process. Offer similar incentives for those who maintain + update threads such as "Metagame Development", "Video/Video Critique"

6. Have Media Reps expand their own "scene" by creating incentives for Reps to write/record/develop guides for better Media Rep strategies.
Great post.

Something I've realized as a college student is that there are A LOT of people out there who play casual Brawl, and aren't that bad. The difference between them and the high class players we see at tourneys is mostly the awareness of a competitive Smash community.

I can't highlight this enough. So many people play Smash, and if they had the desire and knowledge of resources that could help them improve (like this site!) so many people could be added to the community. Tourney attendance would soar, more things would happen, the whole scene would improve.

There's a couple things I think could be done that just need some effort. Here on my college campus (20-25,000 people), the dorms put together a tournament for interested players, and it completely sold out. More than 100 people were turned back because it had filled up so fast.

A few suggestions, then:
1. Improve local scenes, especially on college campuses. Encouraging college chapters and clubs could be huge. Ads, whatever you need to do. Furthermore, if easy-to-access, understandable content is here on the site, that's great, too.

2. General hype for events. I particularly liked the concept of expanding the calendar function here on Smashboards.

3. I do think higher level, game-focused commentary would add a lot! While it's entertaining, it caters to those who've been around competitive Smash for a long time, and I can see it appearing bizarre to someone new to the scene.

4. Making tournaments more fun and exciting. Having locals verbal support to media, etc. would be a huge help, if you have a group of people who has definitively committed to bringing some TV's by now and again it'd help get a few more setups.

One thing that came to mind is teaming up with other games to put on larger tournaments. If a game store or other venue is hosting a tournament for SF4, Halo, Tekken, anything, see if you could work Smash in there. Or if you're hosting a Smash tournament, work in a few other games to boost attendance and hopefully awareness for the game.

Also, how sick would it be if you got a free T-shirt for a large tournament? As a free-T-shirt loving American, I can't think of anyone who'd be disappointed if you could work out the logistics.

I'll keep thinking, but I'd be glad to help is the gist of it. Thanks.
 

MetalMusicMan

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I've been thinking about trying to get something like this going for a long time. Something like what Alex Valle and the "Level Up" guys do for Street Fighter 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjDqfvKnjm4

A unified place where there are videos of good matches, video tutorials with commentary, and interviews consistently uploaded. Having a team collaborating and doing this would be awesome, because as you said, it's hard for one person to have all of the resources to pull it off.
 

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Just don't ask me to do dumb stuff like make your signature or design your region's PR thread.

You can see my work at www.calebwinters.com
lol... where have we heard this before?

I'm all for expansion of the community as well.

I think one of the biggest thing that needs to happen is a mindset shift. I'm not sure exactly how to go about this, but a lot of people have a mindset of brawl being bad, and if people go around to their local scenes, complaining that brawl is a bad game, they'll never get new people to expand the community.

But then again, we can't just say Brawl is good just for the sake of saying Brawl is good. I think as the metagame improves more,
and people learn how to fight metaknight more
, the general excitement level of brawl will increase, and thus bring in more people to the community, and then we might be able to start saying that Brawl isn't bad.

But I think if you can get people to stop bashing Brawl around locals who might possibly join the tournament scene, that would help improve the community. They don't need to praise it, but they also don't need to be "lolbrawlsux"

Just my 2 cents, take them as you will.
 

Blacknight99923

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Good posts guys, I personally am trying to host a tournament at my local library to bring casuals into the scene using real (MLG in this case) rule sets to host it along with a few competitive players (not enough to be overkill so people don't want to leave) along with pools (so people can play may and don't leave when they lose) to try to bring people into the scene. as an underage smasher its one of the few things I can truly do to help the community but I think anyone who has loved smash and continues to play it should give back to the community as a whole for providing the experience.

I mean how many of you have read guides or watched videos to get better? those people put time and effort into building the community now its your turn
 

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I want to watch MLG tournament matches. That's all a casual player like myself really wants. Oh and good commentating to go with it.
 

AvariceX

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I've been wanting to be a part of something like this for a long time. I'd be 100% willing to help as it is now....

but the problem has always been that I'm not good enough to help with something like this =(
 

Blacknight99923

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you can help in other ways though, you don't need to be pro to write a basic guide or get people into smash
 

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My "Top Ten Plays" videos are pretty popular among both casual and competitive players. Is there any way you guys think I could use those to draw people into the competitive scene? Or maybe just to smashboards/AiB?
 

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Interviews and a top 10 highlight video sounds good, people should start doin that for tournies.
It'll be great for mlg once they start recording vids
That guide is ok but pretty generic. Smash could go more in depth describing how to play.

Also, an issue with the mlg pics is that theres no captions, so alot of people dont know who is who in the pics. That should be done with every pic taken at tournaments. Add funny captions too lol
 

Blacknight99923

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I could be wrong but there isn't a video that really teaches you how to play brawl like the "how to play melee video" that covered SHFFL wd ect that is really what brought me into the competitive side of smash.
If a video like that could be made for brawl I would think it could be really beneficial for the comunity
 

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I'm all for expanding the Smash community. I have a lot of skill with graphic design. If anyone could use my talents, hit me up.

Just don't ask me to do dumb stuff like make your signature or design your region's PR thread.

You can see my work at www.calebwinters.com
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Not as good with html as photoshop? lol

I wanted to see your stuff caleb. :lick:

Sweeeeeeeeet! New youtube subscription, thx metal.


Pierce, I love the idea, and I support it verbally. However, I'm too lazy to actually help you with it. Good luck!
 

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My "Top Ten Plays" videos are pretty popular among both casual and competitive players. Is there any way you guys think I could use those to draw people into the competitive scene? Or maybe just to smashboards/AiB?
I watched these recently and they were really good. You should do them more/make a thread for them =D
 

global-wolf

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I think David Sirlin's tutorials are pretty good for casual players. Makes them realize that "wow, there's so much more to Brawl than smashes."
 

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Pierce, here is the most recent one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qY7gMpJE8

But I'm not so much worried about getting views as I am turning those views into new members.

Also, I would be down for making a general tutorial video like AZ's melee guide. That thing is hella popular and thats partially how I started getting into melee.
 

Arturito_Burrito

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you could help out with those videos by adding which tournament or region the players are from along with their name, it would attract people instantly when they see that they live in the same city as dojo.
 
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