I still think the walling out of spinoff characters is a good idea, as nice as it would be to have them in. Again, it stops certain series from being too dominant and/or erratic.
That and I'm also mad that Nintendo ignores the Wario characters in the spinoffs. They deserve some extended Mario love, too!!
Me too, though at least Mario character options for Smash are finally starting to shrink (main/secondary ones, anyway, I imagine Sakurai would have trouble picking other enemies that can actually work besides HAMMER TIME).
It's less ignoring and more of that annoying habit of not feeling okay about using other people's stuff (out of respect, presumably). If it weren't for Koizumi and Odyssey, Pauline would have gone back into the character vault after the Mario Vs. DK series ended.
I do wonder if Pauline would be classified as DK or Mario franchise tho, if the former it would be an easy deal. But she probably would be Peach more echo as well.
DK and Wario games are less like considered "Mario's spinoffs" in the way how those games work independently. Just still it feels like DK gets more treats than Wario series more in both Mario sport games and Smash bros.
Pure spin-off character. Not even a contest. He's even less important story-wise than Geno. And like Daisy, only got in because they could be based off another character. Dr. Mario might've had music going for him at best. But nothing else otherwise.
There was never a silly "main game only" restriction to begin with. Again, as noted, Dr. Mario proves that to be a load of hogwash. He's 100% spin-off and nothing more. Daisy, as I said above, had the same position; easy to create as playable due to being a clone. Only difference is Dr. Mario's music also held a bit of importance to Sakurai..
Dr Mario is a difficult case to argue with, as same as Toon Link and Sheik who only serve as alteregos, not own characters, their existence would only be additional to the main characters. The more arguable is issue is rather how much fans want to see those alteregos remain or whether they could be trade with slots for new fighters.
Ultimately, as mentinoed in
#28,804, the issue is always that Mario series focus on Super Mario the platformers over the rest types of games and we hardly see the RPGs and sport games give reverse reflections on the mainstream titles. Characters that only stay in canons outside Super Mario games also rarely fit in most cases when it comes to major spotlights. Waluigim unitl today is still the only known main Mario character to be the special exception.
I totally forgot a key factor that throws this all out; Sakurai has wanted Geno playable since Brawl. He is not why Geno isn't in. Definitely not the case here. He said that during Smash 4 while explaining his Mii costume. Then he said fan demand got him in, though he didn't note whether it was the ballot or fan polls before Brawl came out. So it could be either. I think Geno was popular among the Melee polls too?
I am sure the whole
#28,804 post has answered that.
If they want Geno, they'll figure out a way to add Geno.
Well, I agree it comes to whether Nintendo really
want it for now. Judging by the fact of Geno's absence in almost every video game, out primary assumption is, they don't really do.
It looks like there's no way to change your view, which is fine. Geno's not the main character of his franchise, correct, but he is a main character of the game he starred in. .
Besides that, Geno is a major character in the story. Among the 5 protagonists, only Peach actually holds no real story significance, and even she got SMRPG references in Melee(where do you think the Frying Pan first originated as one of her tools?).
I just go straight here,
Every one-off character has the spotlight within their own story,
and outside the story, they don't. As you already tell, Peach, Bowser and Mario are the important ones in every single story, which is why they're already the ones to represent SMRPG in the first place over Geno.
I think in this thread it's frequently mentinoed that Geno's great likability, popularity and potential is the common reason why he is requested. But not that he is
the only one Mario character that once play a important roles in a single story. Of course aside from Mallow, I may to name more than thirty Mario characters with the same trait, and also more than sixty characters from KIrby, Zelda and FE series that has similiar experience like him.
I believe it’s important to have a good balance as a game. In the past titles in the series, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B. and Duck Hunt Dog were some of the examples we offered outside of people’s typical expectations. However, if we don’t have these types of fighters, and we only had typical “hero/heroine” type fighters in the lineup, there’s not much difference. It’s probably not very interesting. Correct?".
When the result is fair enough in an objective view, not specific biased fanbase view, I think most of the options work well so far. Taking care of the classic titles and miscellaneous franchises in order to balance out the dominant major franchises is ultimately a good thing.
Waluigi at least is more defining of Mario spinoffs than Daisy. I mean, he was literally created for Mario Tennis. I'd argue he was way more worthy than Daisy.
Only assume that Daisy is not an echo but more original character, just overall both are recurring, and Daisy may win for that her histroy is abit longer than him. She and Wario techincially existed before SMRPG came out.
The main issue of Waluigi is that his role is unclear in mainstream titles. He is not Wario's business partner in game makings, he has no role when Mushroom Kingdom is in another crisis, not to mention in DK games. Daisy is in the same role as Peach, damsel in distress, then a potential ally lately. Only when Nintendo really try to push Waluigi could we know what kind of role, story and identity Waluigi owns outside the sport games.
