Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Ovaltine]

I love ForsakenM 's posts like this, long and analytical and point-addressing. I'm not saying that sarcastically or facetiously, ftr. I legitimately love these posts, my dude, even if I have nothing to add to this particular one.

That is all, carry on.

 

[ZelDan]

We still found out at the end of the day didn't we? Who care's if Nintendo knew; they were the ones who made the mistake of putting that code in the game. It's not like we would have gotten a repeat of the Ryu situation. That's not a mistake that's made twice; even if Nintendo is incompetent sometimes.

I'll be honest; sometimes the leaker community seems like a bit of a boy's club. Like "Only we shall know this information, and we'll decide when you lowly Smash plebs get to know about a thing that isn't endangering a source"

Well, yeah, we did find out, the point is we weren't supposed to though. And yeah it kinda matters if Nintendo knows because if Nintendo didn't know they probably wouldn't have removed the files and we could have checked to see if stats changed or whatever. There's also the fact that if certain sensitive information were to be leaked it could hurt somebody's career. In this instance I guess nobody's job got screwed over...this time...

This also goes into your second paragraph about leakers being a "boy's club." I don't know about all leakers or insiders involved, but I'm guessing for many the reason they aren't just openly sharing every shred of info they have is for reasons I brought up above.

 

[Just a random scrub]

The final reveal is going to be Phoenix Wright. The trailer is going to have Phoenix try to figure out who Joker stole the invitation from. Leading into wave 2 with a reveal that Joker stole Geno's invitation.

Yo, that would be awesome.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

[QUOTE="ForsakenM, post: 22975799, member: 405711"Yeah, as far back as I can remember, his only things that were incorrect is base game MineCraft and base game Square rep, which he then shortly changed to base game MineCraft and possibly DLC Square rep. When there was no MC in the base game (and after he kinda made himself look like a fool with the whole Ender Dragon/Rathalos flub-up), he stuck with a Square rep as DLC and THEN claimed they would be the first reveal...and we ALL know how THAT turned out for him. Since then he has doubled-down on it being a Square rep, and going from 'It's one of seven, but definitely not one of the seven and another is probably leakbait' to 'Erdrick! Erdrick! Erdrick!' within relatively short periods of time.[/quote]
The fact he kept getting different information is part of why I think he's being trolled or leakbaited. It makes a lot of sense for reasons I spoke of before. Xenother is also doubling down on both characters(Erdrick and Steve), but I don't think he has much of a track record?

Now, while it is ENTIRELY possible that he has solid information and has been unable to share it for whatever reason, when you add up what others have said about Verge burning the bridges with his sources and piggybacking of other leakers, how information that he has given could have easily been good guess work when not also piggybacking off of other leakers, the fact that he often mixes speculation with information that makes it unsure which is which. and how he seems to have a pattern now...it all adds up to discredit him.

I don't think we should for what he knows of the base roster. For DLC, yes.

That pattern is the fact that he's apparently good with base games but has really nothing when it comes to DLC, by the by. Don't misunderstand, I comprehend that Verge being wrong about one game doesn't mean he's automatically wrong with Smash, but when you compare his history of knowing base games and what is in them versus what comes after the base game, his track record for one heavily outweighs the other. Just recently with Dragon Ball FighterZ, he had called knowing the DLC for the Season 2 pass with it being more characters than the previous pass and saying Videl w/Great Saiyaman would be in alongside Gogeta, Zarbon, Roshi and Raditz...then two weeks before the reveal, he says that he's tossing away the info he got that these characters would be in and saying Jiren would be in said Ultra Instinct Goku and SSJ4 Goku would be in but still believed it would be more than 8 characters.

Too true. This is the thing; he's awesome when it comes to base. But DLC is not his forte.

To reply to something else you said, Steve will have an impact. He's a cultural icon. A lot don't even believe he has a chance, so him appearing will matter. Some hate the idea he's even possible. He's talked about to a huge degree. It'll make a difference.

Erdrick is different. He's isn't generally recognizable outside of Japan. I don't see him really doing much for anything but the East, really. There'll be some salt over an anime swordsman(despite him probably being super unique), there'll be some who thinks he's nothing but an advertisement to push Dragon Quest(ignoring that DQ is still huge worldwide on its own merits). This is why some think Slime has a better chance, because he's a worldwide icon and thus, wouldn't get a lot of these responses. He himself would earn his own spot in Smash due to being huge as is. Because less known of Erdrick, they think he'll be there to promote something. Which I doubt will be the case anyway. If it was Luminary, or the latest protagonist, it could be a Corrin situation(though to be fair, if a character only got in strictly for promotion, but not for their own merits or some other reason, it's not a Corrin situation either).

 

[ForsakenM]

I love ForsakenM 's posts like this, long and analytical and point-addressing. I'm not saying that sarcastically or facetiously, ftr. I legitimately love these posts, my dude, even if I have nothing to add to this particular one.

That is all, carry on.

Aww shucks, ain't you sweet!

Seriously though, with all the flak I get by responding like this, it's nice to get appreciation every now and again.

I also forgot to ask something: What do you guys think about Brave's chances of getting teaser'd (a la Joker at the VGAs) in the next Direct now that PP has been literally dropped upon us out of nowhere.

I think it drastically improves the chances of a reveal of some sort since the only thing they can do now is go over PP being available and maybe tell us when he can be bought later on + give us Joker gameplay. However, they may just glance of PP overall and just talk about Joker, which would then lead me to expect a reveal even more.

 

[Ovaltine]

Aww shucks, ain't you sweet!

Seriously though, with all the flak I get by responding like this, it's nice to get appreciation every now and again.

I also forgot to ask something: What do you guys think about Brave's chances of getting teaser'd (a la Joker at the VGAs) in the next Direct now that PP has been literally dropped upon us out of nowhere.

I think it drastically improves the chances of a reveal of some sort since the only thing they can do now is go over PP being available and maybe tell us when he can be bought later on + give us Joker gameplay. However, they may just glance of PP overall and just talk about Joker, which would then lead me to expect a reveal even more.

Man, I don't get why anyone would give you flak for it. I love rambling and watching other people ramble. It's just a neat thing to read what people have to say, especially when it goes into that kind of depth.

As for Brave's reveal, I think April more aligns to me in terms of when we'll get something, March at the earliest. Until then, we'll definitely not get anything until E3, but Brave's reveal has to be before summer. For E3, I'd honestly even expect two reveals at the same time then, maybe along with a surprise or something. Sakurai loves to pull his surprises out for E3.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Really, with his luck when it comes to DLC, you'd think that Verge would learn from his mistakes and just stop after the base games. At this point, he's making himself look like a buffoon.

Aww shucks, ain't you sweet!

Seriously though, with all the flak I get by responding like this, it's nice to get appreciation every now and again.

I also forgot to ask something: What do you guys think about Brave's chances of getting teaser'd (a la Joker at the VGAs) in the next Direct now that PP has been literally dropped upon us out of nowhere.

I think it drastically improves the chances of a reveal of some sort since the only thing they can do now is go over PP being available and maybe tell us when he can be bought later on + give us Joker gameplay. However, they may just glance of PP overall and just talk about Joker, which would then lead me to expect a reveal even more.

I would say 98%. The sooner, the better, plus a short trailer isn't the hardest thing to make, depending on the resources used and what style you're going for to represent a particular character's series. Besides, February will be a dead month for the most part, as far as Nintendo exclusives go.

 

[MissingGlitch]

E3 is going to be a Microsoft character if there is one. Any other time would be unfitting. Any other time is fair game for any other character.

 

[ForsakenM]

E3 is going to be a Microsoft character if there is one. Any other time would be unfitting.

Pull another Crash: give us Banjo this time.

I just want Phil to be hyping up a 'familiar old title' and then a sound bursts out from left stage in interrupt him.

"GUH-HUH!"

Done, Microsoft wins E3.

 

[Ovaltine]

Pull another Crash: give us Banjo this time.

I just want Phil to be hyping up a 'familiar old title' and then a sound bursts out from left stage in interrupt him.

"GUH-HUH!"

Done, Microsoft wins E3.

Banjo goes, "GUH-HUH!" and then, I scream and destroy my vocal cords in the process.

I would be just... gone. I would ascend.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Pull another Crash: give us Banjo this time.

I just want Phil to be hyping up a 'familiar old title' and then a sound bursts out from left stage in interrupt him.

"GUH-HUH!"

Done, Microsoft wins E3.

And then "BREEE!" chimes in and I sport the dumbest grin.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Pull another Crash: give us Banjo this time.

I just want Phil to be hyping up a 'familiar old title' and then a sound bursts out from left stage in interrupt him.

"GUH-HUH!"

Done, Microsoft wins E3.

*blocks Steve's Smash invite*

 

[GoodGrief741]

The final reveal is going to be Phoenix Wright. The trailer is going to have Phoenix try to figure out who Joker stole the invitation from. Leading into wave 2 with a reveal that Joker stole Geno's invitation.

Can you write Smash? You’d be doing us all a service.

 

[papagenos]

Probably. I've shared stories on here that Minecraft was huge with college aged people until Microsoft got it and hardcore marketed it to kids. They didn't pull a Nintendo and show it was for everyone, no, they Blue Clues the franchise into the ground. The franchise now has a notorious kiddy reputation because of Microsoft's marketing. For the people who remember the early days, it really leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

This!

I rarely hear people talk about this but I recall playing Minecraft at my ex-girlfriends college in like 2009/10-ish and it was pretty big with "gamers" at the time, just a fun thing to download and play on pc and fairly "underground" but popular with the right crowds (college age gamers). Then I didnt hear much about it for a couple years and then all of a sudden there was minecraft merchandise everywhere, kids were constantly asking about it (i worked in a gaming store), and it was like this huge thing on youtube. I was totally baffled cause at that point 2013-14ish the game felt "old" to me and I had no idea how it turned into this craze with kids suddenly. Such a strange turn of events, ive never seen a game get that popular with such a slow rise to the top.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

God I wish. Unexpected, WTF character, well known but not super known while having a devoted fan base. He's perfect.

In my opinion, I think Phoenix Wright would be more mind-blowing than Joker.

Well, Polar is in the "Steve and Erdrick are very very likely right now" team right? Maybe it's source, who claimed that no one knows the DLC, also claims Steve and Erdrick are coming

If his source said that, Polar also would've told that info to us by now. When Polar gets his stuff, he doesn't hide it, he tells us everything without hesitation.

I haven't bought the Fighter's Pass yet. I'm honestly not opposed to most potential fighters, but I'm still not entirely sold on it.
So, I've got New Rules, I'll count 'em:

1. If Geno and/or Phoenix Wright are in, I'll buy the whole thing.
2. If Geno and Phoenix AREN'T in, but I like at least 3/5 characters (the majority), I'll buy the whole thing. (Joker is 1, so I need at least 2 more.)
3. If a character at least looks fun, I'll willing to give them a chance and count it towards my requirements.
4. If only 2/5 or just Joker are all I like, I'll only buy the individual packs.

Man, waiting for DLC is getting me restless. I wasn't this into speculation during Smash 4. I gave up Smash 4 speculation once the 3DS version came out, so every DLC character was a surprise, including the datamined Roy and Ryu. Here, I think I'll stick around for the entire ride.

Joker is one for me, and if the next character is someone I am in love with, I'll probably buy the fighters pass. If it's another Corrin-tier level, hype character, basically a promotional character nobody wants, well, I'll just buy the DLC characters individually. I'm only getting Joker because he's cool AND it would make Sakurai happy since he loves Persona.

I feel like Rex would've actually been a given if it wasn't for the timing. Sakurai made it pretty clear that that was the only reason since he liked XC2 and XC2 sold pretty well and Xenoblade is a growing franchise that could use the promotion pretty well.

If there was more time, I say Rex would've been a newcomer. There is no doubt that Rex will be a newcomer in the next Smash game.

 

[xenother]

> There's going to be a January Direct

Welp

Yeah, no idea what happened here. I was definitely not the only person who heard about this. PolarPanda is probably the best person to talk about this with because I honestly haven't been paying too much attention to what others have been saying over the past month or so.

 

[MissingGlitch]

This!

I rarely hear people talk about this but I recall playing Minecraft at my ex-girlfriends college in like 2009/10-ish and it was pretty big with "gamers" at the time, just a fun thing to download and play on pc and fairly "underground" but popular with the right crowds (college age gamers). Then I didnt hear much about it for a couple years and then all of a sudden there was minecraft merchandise everywhere, kids were constantly asking about it (i worked in a gaming store), and it was like this huge thing on youtube. I was totally baffled cause at that point 2013-14ish the game felt "old" to me and I had no idea how it turned into this craze with kids suddenly. Such a strange turn of events, ive never seen a game get that popular with such a slow rise to the top.

I think this is where my Steve bias is coming from if you ignore all my Banjo fangirl. Because of how Microsoft markets Minecraft, it wouldn't feel like an everyone pick. It would feel like to me they just wanted to get a bunch of little kids to ask for their mom's credit card to buy him because it's Minecraft.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Yeah, no idea what happened here. I was definitely not the only person who heard about this.

Well, one has to wonder at this point if the rumors of Steve and Erdrick will end up the same way as that rumor.

 

[HolyKnight]

Pull another Crash: give us Banjo this time.

I just want Phil to be hyping up a 'familiar old title' and then a sound bursts out from left stage in interrupt him.

"GUH-HUH!"

Done, Microsoft wins E3.

yes.
YES
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

id probably die witnessing it but
it would be ok.

 

[Ovaltine]

Honestly, the case of Minecraft is sad, and when I think about it, Fatman and Papa just put it into perspective better than I could have. The way Microsoft has handled the game has helped to form a culture that is undesirable. It isn't a game marketed for everyone, kids included. It's marketed for just kids. You don't see anyone but really young children playing Minecraft anymore.

That's probably why I like Terraria so much. It's never gone that route, but it's way more fun, way more interesting, and way more nice to revisit. I'll probably make a Geno character in Terraria next time I play and make him go on adventures. Hehe!

 

[ZelDan]

I don't know, I just have a hard time seeing how Minecraft Steve would fit into Smash without being awkward. I guess it's not impossible depending on how many liberties Sakurai decides to take, but I just can't really imagine it. For me the issue has been with Steve spefically moreso than the Minecraft IP as a whole. I certainly wouldn't be against Minecraft getting representation in other forms, such as an assist trophy (creeper?), a stage, music, spirits, whatever.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't know, I just have a hard time seeing how Minecraft Steve would fit into Smash without being awkward. I guess it's not impossible depending on how many liberties Sakurai decides to take, but I just can't really imagine it. For me the issue has been with Steve spefically moreso than the Minecraft IP as a whole. I certainly wouldn't be against Minecraft getting representation in other forms, such as an assist trophy (creeper?), a stage, music, spirits, whatever.

Do you figure it would be like inserting a 3-D polygonal model from Quake into a game made of 2-D graphics?

Also, Darksiders wasn't meant to be announced in a Direct anyway, it seems:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...ally_on_switch_in_april_will_retail_for_usd30

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

This!

I rarely hear people talk about this but I recall playing Minecraft at my ex-girlfriends college in like 2009/10-ish and it was pretty big with "gamers" at the time, just a fun thing to download and play on pc and fairly "underground" but popular with the right crowds (college age gamers). Then I didnt hear much about it for a couple years and then all of a sudden there was minecraft merchandise everywhere, kids were constantly asking about it (i worked in a gaming store), and it was like this huge thing on youtube. I was totally baffled cause at that point 2013-14ish the game felt "old" to me and I had no idea how it turned into this craze with kids suddenly. Such a strange turn of events, ive never seen a game get that popular with such a slow rise to the top.

It seems that whatever Microsoft buys, their series gets drained of its color... it's like a curse. :/
Pretty cool that you used to work at a gaming store.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Minecraft still has a lot of mature people that play, and the subreddit seems mature, but...yeah, if you go in a popular server (especially a player vs. player server), you're gonna find a lot of toxic people that seem to be children or immature teens, though there's still a handful of nice people...

-I mostly play Java Edition, though; the last time I played the "Bedrock Edition" I didn't see this.

 

[Datboigeno]

It seems that whatever Microsoft buys, their series gets drained of its color... it's like a curse. :/
Pretty cool that you used to work at a gaming store.

It's genuinely upsetting to think about what happened to Rare after it became acquired my Microsoft. Banjo-Kazooie especially.

 

[MissingGlitch]

It's genuinely upsetting to think about what happened to Rare after it became acquired my Microsoft. Banjo-Kazooie especially.

Banjo would have been in smash already....

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't know, I just have a hard time seeing how Minecraft Steve would fit into Smash without being awkward. I guess it's not impossible depending on how many liberties Sakurai decides to take, but I just can't really imagine it. For me the issue has been with Steve spefically moreso than the Minecraft IP as a whole. I certainly wouldn't be against Minecraft getting representation in other forms, such as an assist trophy (creeper?), a stage, music, spirits, whatever.

I feel this too. People have built some absolutely mind blowing things in Minecraft but the game on a basic level is disgusting to look at it and I'm pretty sure that was intentional. Steve is the prime example of this. Super bland even by avatar standards. It's a guy in t-shirt and jeans. He's merely the vessel for doing bigger and better things in the game. He's not interesting at all. No personality and not even facial expressions. Villager from Animal Crossing is an avatar too but oozes personality from their design to their animations. Steve might as be the arrow icon on a desktop. That's one of my bigger issues with Steve in Smash.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I see Steve as one of those characters where the personality is based on the world around them.

I see Steve as being this brave/sometimes cowardly survivor guy that can also be creative, since that's how the world makes him seem like. Maybe somewhat goofy as well since Mojang tends to do silly things sometimes, like messing with the game somewhat majorly or releasing a new "update" on April Fools' Day.

of course being the player's character, you also project your own personality onto them like other avatars. I can see Sakurai and his team using the emotions and movements from Minecraft Dungeons since they actually fit into the original Minecraft (but stay away from Story Mode's animations please).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It seems that whatever Microsoft buys, their series gets drained of its color... it's like a curse. :/
Pretty cool that you used to work at a gaming store.

It's a wonder that Studio MDHR managed to keep their integrity, despite the exclusivity clause for Cuphead. Although it doesn't hurt that it takes years to make a hand-drawn game with traditional methods, and it's aimed more towards old-school animation fans and hardcore gamers anyway.

I feel this too. People have built some absolutely mind blowing things in Minecraft but the game on a basic level is disgusting to look at it and I'm pretty sure that was intentional. Steve is the prime example of this. Super bland even by avatar standards. It's a guy in t-shirt and jeans. He's merely the vessel for doing bigger and better things in the game. He's not interesting at all. No personality and not even facial expressions. Villager from Animal Crossing is an avatar too but oozes personality from their design to their animations. Steve might as be the arrow icon on a desktop. That's one of my bigger issues with Steve in Smash.

Even the default Pokémon Trainer looks more interesting, with the red accents in his clothing, and having a backpack. And more than one expression (hello Sun and Moon).

It's genuinely upsetting to think about what happened to Rare after it became acquired my Microsoft. Banjo-Kazooie especially.

They finally did that big pirate game they wanted to do since the NES days...but at what cost.

Even being with Sony would be a better fate, since at least they let kiddie games exist.

 

[MissingGlitch]

The guy is meant to be as boring as possible so you can make him whoever you want it to be. That's like his entire point. He didn't even have a name until they needed something to use in merch

 

[TheCJBrine]

The guy is meant to be as boring as possible so you can make him whoever you want it to be. That's like his entire point. He didn't even have a name until they needed something to use in merch

to be fair Notch was actually asked what the character's name was, so he said "Steve?" before merch became a thing.

then it just stuck.

still, it was just for a question but it wasn't 'cause of merchandising, no.

 

[Tetrin]

It seems this thread has just devolved into the "ridicule Steve" thread. Not to say there aren't people actually supporting their opinions, but flat out saying he's "boring and uninspired" is pretty unsportsmanlike.

Seriously; perhaps I'm biased because I like Steve, but why the incessant shunning? I'm sure we'd be aggravated if the Geno fanbase was slandered in another thread, let's try not to do the same.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Imagine picking another anime swordsman over a magical space alien puppet sent by a higher power.

This post paid for by the Geno for Smash campaign.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It seems this thread has just devolved into the "ridicule Steve" thread. Not to say there aren't people actually supporting their opinions, but flat out saying he's "boring and uninspired" is pretty unsportsmanlike.

Seriously; perhaps I'm biased because I like Steve, but why the incessant shunning? I'm sure we'd be aggravated if the Geno fanbase was slandered in another thread, let's try not to do the same.

Because we don't have to like him and it's self contained here so it's like, whatever. We already know people don't like Geno and talk about it in other places so, again, it's like whatever. There is almost nothing to talk about right now aside from the same rumors we've been volleyballing since last summer anyways.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I think this is where my Steve bias is coming from if you ignore all my Banjo fangirl. Because of how Microsoft markets Minecraft, it wouldn't feel like an everyone pick. It would feel like to me they just wanted to get a bunch of little kids to ask for their mom's credit card to buy him because it's Minecraft.

This is precisely my issue with Steve. Any personal biases aside, with the way Minecraft's been marketed exclusively to the lowest common denominator since Microsoft's acquisition, he'd honestly feel like such a "Hey, kids!" pick that I'd feel patronized by his inclusion at best, and outright offended at worst that we didn't get someone else.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I just get annoyed when someone rants about Steve using misinfo or brings the fanbase into it, or just straight-up posts a very hateful comment about the character.

it's uncomfortable; I'm both a Steve fan and a B-K fan, so...imagine going into the B-K thread during a time where people just post hateful comments...

And it's not like Mojang treats it as a kids' game; they know very well people of all ages play it, even if Microsoft makes them market it towards small children. They never act like it's a kids-only game outside of Minecon/other events and maybe some posts on the official website.

Heh, that XBox event, even if it was meant for teens/young adults, felt very staged like something for small kids as well...

 

[Ovaltine]

I just get annoyed when someone rants about Steve using misinfo or brings the fanbase into it, or just straight-up posts a very hateful comment about the character.

it's uncomfortable; I'm both a Steve fan and a B-K fan, so...imagine going into the B-K thread during a time where people just post hateful comments...

And it's not like Mojang treats it as a kids game; they know very well people of all ages play it, even if Microsoft makes them market it towards small children.

Yeah, Microsoft is more of the problem than Mojang, imo. That being said, yeah, I think we oughta chill a bit. It'd suck for me to go into a support thread for, say, Banjo and see people tearing down the notion of Geno existing. It's pretty rough, you know?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I assume that this got mentioned a page or seven ago but can I just say that Megasmillex getting a mention from Viridi makes me happy.

 

[MissingGlitch]

A "my team needs to win" mindset has grown with speculation. So it has made people really despise the characters that mean their character won't get it. Geno fans have Dragon Quest to fear. Banjo fans have Steve to fear. But I feel like a lot of it is because we have gotten so sick of having to wait and still leaving empty handed while everyone else gets who they want.

We are all guilty of it. Heck Geno fans are eaten alive in the Square Enix thread because we want Geno over Sora or Dragon Quest. So we all kinda vent in the one thread that won't eat us alive.

 

[Captain Fun]

A "my team needs to win" mindset has grown with speculation. So it has made people really despise the characters that mean their character won't get it. Geno fans have Dragon Quest to fear. Banjo fans have Steve to fear.

I honestly wish this mentality would go away. Two completely different characters from two completely different series who would have two completely different play styles aren't going to take each other's spots just because they share a license holder.