Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Tetrin]

I don’t think anything was said that’s overstepping etiquette, rules, or common courtesy. People are just stating their opinions in a civil manner. People have also spoken out in favor of Steve with zero backlash.

If anybody feels people are being unfair they can just say so. Let’s not get preemptively offended though.

It's not so much offense than it is a desire for proper discussion, so I'm not really saying people here are defying good-user protocol than I am people are completely neglecting argumentative propriety. I'd much rather argue my stance if I can actually argue against something pedestaled by reason and not snuck premises. Of course, not applicable to everyone here, just some.

People speaking baselessly out in favor of Steve fosters positivity, not negativity, so there's a difference.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

He's still gotten things massively wrong in the past, such as stating that Phoenix Wright,

Ugh, it just figures that it's with Phoenix Wright that his knack for bad leaking track records just had to take Phoenix Wright

 

[Ovaltine]

Ugh, it just figures that it's with Phoenix Wright that his knack for bad leaking track records just had to take Phoenix Wright

No need to worry, though. I'm still really positive about him being DLC.

GO, FEENY.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It's not so much offense than it is a desire for proper discussion, so I'm not really saying people here are defying good-user protocol than I am people are completely neglecting argumentative propriety. I'd much rather argue my stance if I can actually argue against something pedestaled by reason and not snuck premises. Of course, not applicable to everyone here, just some.

People speaking baselessly out in favor of Steve fosters positivity, not negativity, so there's a difference.

Well, there’s certainly a discussion to be had about Steve, but I think people are pretty content staying in their corners and saying subjective stuff like ‘Steve is boring’ and ‘Steve would be unique’. No need to debate people’s tastes.

 

[Deleted member]

Ugh, it just figures that it's with Phoenix Wright that his knack for bad leaking track records just had to take Phoenix Wright

Eh, I think he has a fair shot at DLC regardless of what leakers say

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

It's not so much offense than it is a desire for proper discussion,

I mean, people are explaining in sufficient detail, the various reasons that people don't want Steve in Smash.

That's proper discussion right there.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

He does seem worrying I hope they don't allow him to go that far with the franchises Nintendo has. Hopefully he's actually a nice guy and wants to do the best he can but I wouldn't be shocked if that's what happens. Watch them Fire Sakurai and Sakurai in turn Makes a Company with him and Kojima and they become like the most successful company out there. Of course they then buy the rights to Banjo's franchise and Geno and SMRPG then they become their Mascot characters and have consistently good games.

With any luck, the guy will get replaced midway through the Switch's lifetime, depending on how long that is.

Also, I'm not sure whether Sak teaming up with Kojima would work, the latter went full-on David Lynch with his current game project, and no one can figure out what type of game it'll be, exactly.

Eh, I think he has a fair shot at DLC regardless of what leakers say

With any luck, it'll be a Fighter Z situation in that what was something that seemingly wasn't going to be in, does after all.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Eh, I think he has a fair shot at DLC regardless of what leakers say

True that exactly. Like I said, if anything, leakers like Xenother, Hitagi or any random guy not mentioning Phoenix Wright has felt more like a boost to his chances given how this DLC era has gone so far.

 

[TheCJBrine]

yeah I don't care if people think Steve is boring, that's a legit reason that's understandable like Geno being obscure (though the "lol he's a literally who" people need to stop).

it's just when they start saying things like "he'd be a Link/Villager clone" as if Sakurai wouldn't use the unique potential Minecraft can offer, and would instead give us a brand-new series character that's just a clone with a moveset that makes no sense (seriously the Steve = Link stuff is probably just based on those fan-mods, and Steve has enough potential to not be a Villager clone; his items would have to work differently, anyway). tbh I do also get kinda annoyed when it's said that he'd have no expressiveness, even though they can use the art-style from the website and merchandise and change his face so that his eyes widen and mouth changes a bit (pixel changes, not like eyelids and stuff)/use the expressions and movement in Minecraft Dungeons.

There's also those who hate on Steve using the fanbase as an excuse, while ignoring literally every other fanbase and the huge toxicity you can find if you're paying attention.

 

[MissingGlitch]

It seems fair for Capcom to get a DLC rep. All they really have is Mega Man, Ryu and Ken. This is on top of a basically exclusive Nintendo Capcom game being non-existent in Smash. Something seems really off with that. Because I know Capcom has a lot of spirits. Coincidentally none of them being from Ace Attorney.. The game is prime real estate for Spirit jokes

 

[Deleted member]

With any luck, the guy will get replaced midway through the Switch's lifetime, depending on how long that is.

Also, I'm not sure whether Sak teaming up with Kojima would work, the latter went full-on David Lynch with his current game project, and no one can figure out what type of game it'll be, exactly.



With any luck, it'll be a Fighter Z situation in that what was something that seemingly wasn't going to be in, does after all.

But aren't they like good friends or something?

 

[ZelDan]

You know, and this might be shocking to some, but Nintendo has made a far greater mistake then not buying Rare or fallout with Square. A mistake that would change the gaming landscape forever. I am curious if you guys know of it.

All the stuff with How Nintendo didn't want to do CD stuff with Sony, and also gace Phillips the rights to use Mario and Zelda, which simultaneously lead to Sony breaking with nintendo to create the Playstation and Phillips making hilariously bad, meme-worthy CDi games with Mario and Zelda? The moment where they both gave birth to their biggest competitor who has trounced them at times and also indirectly gave birth to the worst mario and Zelda games?

 

[Tetrin]

Well, there’s certainly a discussion to be had about Steve, but I think people are pretty content staying in their corners and saying subjective stuff like ‘Steve is boring’ and ‘Steve would be unique’. No need to debate people’s tastes.

Alternatively, I think a post with a claim should have some meat to it. Unless the post is "They personally don't appeal to me", I feel not supporting your claim whatsoever isn't contributing to discussion at all.

I mean, people are explaining in sufficient detail, the various reasons that people don't want Steve in Smash.

That's proper discussion right there.

And to those people, I commend you (and I even challenged you in some cases), but I was arguing against people whose posts boil down to "Steve sucks" without any elaboration.

 

[EarlTamm]

Wait, what did the current Nintendo CEO do to get so much ire?

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, what did the current Nintendo CEO do to get so much ire?

He made the rest of the DLC Fire Emblem characters

 

[GoodGrief741]

Alternatively, I think a post with a claim should have some meat to it. Unless the post is "They personally don't appeal to me", I feel not supporting your claim whatsoever isn't contributing to discussion at all.


And to those people, I commend you (and I even challenged you in some cases), but I was arguing against people whose posts boil down to "Steve sucks" without any elaboration.

People have a right to not explaining their opinions though. Personally, I think it’s a deliberate thing. Saying ‘X would be a bad pick for me’ without elaborating means you don’t really want to get into a debate, so you don’t go into the specifics of your reasoning.

Wait, what did the current Nintendo CEO do to get so much ire?

Not so much what he did but rather what he said. Dude is very much pro-DLC and pro-mobile gaming.

For the DLC side, we have Kirby Star Allies being shipped pretty barebones before being fixed through DLC, sorta the same thing with Mario Tennis Aces. Now the blind Fighters Pass.

For the mobile side, they seem to be really going all in, with today’s announcements of a second pokemon game, a Mario Kart game, and a Dr. Mario (which I would honestly appreciate for the Switch tbh).

None of these things are egregious and none are the fault of the guy, but I guess they’re making people slightly antsy about the future.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

But aren't they like good friends or something?

Yeah, but given their stances on sequels, if they teamed up they'd probably just make one-shot games.

I will say, things would be simpler if Nintendo somehow winds up becoming a third party making games for multiple platforms, like Sega. But that's purely hypothetical.

...Also, I think we hit rock-bottom when our current topic is "if you're going to badmouth a character possibility, do it right".

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

People have a right to not explaining their opinions though. Personally, I think it’s a deliberate thing. Saying ‘X would be a bad pick for me’ without elaborating means you don’t really want to get into a debate, so you don’t go into the specifics of your reasoning.

Likewise, if they don't elaborate at all, there's little reason to do anything but shrug. They're just expressing their view. Sometimes things like these don't need to be criticized. It's okay to just shrug it off.

I mean, it's why the Unpopular Opinions Thread was made, after all.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, but given their stances on sequels, if they teamed up they'd probably just make one-shot games.

I will say, things would be simpler if Nintendo somehow winds up becoming a third party making games for multiple platforms, like Sega.

I don't know what that would make Smash then, what Console would it be on and what does that say for future Characters?

 

[Tetrin]

Wait, what did the current Nintendo CEO do to get so much ire?

It's almost always a matter of "you didn't exactly align Nintendo's plans with my own wishes" so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

People have a right to not explaining their opinions though. Personally, I think it’s a deliberate thing. Saying ‘X would be a bad pick for me’ without elaborating means you don’t really want to get into a debate, so you don’t go into the specifics of your reasoning.

I suppose that's fair, but you could still supplement your claim and say afterwards you aren't up for debate. And if all you have to say is something negative about a character without any real argument, why post? It's like glorified hate.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I don't know what that would make Smash then, what Console would it be on and what does that say for future Characters?

Smash is a Nintendo IP. Maybe Sakurai leaves but he either makes Smash as a Nintendo exclusive or someone else makes it.

And if all you have to say is something negative about a character without any real argument, why post? It's like glorified hate.

Hey, I get it, people sometimes need to vent their negative stuff.

 

[Deleted member]

Likewise, if they don't elaborate at all, there's little reason to do anything but shrug. They're just expressing their view. Sometimes things like these don't need to be criticized. It's okay to just shrug it off.

I mean, it's why the Unpopular Opinions Thread was made, after all.

Wait there is one?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

It seems fair for Capcom to get a DLC rep. All they really have is Mega Man, Ryu and Ken. This is on top of a basically exclusive Nintendo Capcom game being non-existent in Smash. Something seems really off with that. Because I know Capcom has a lot of spirits. Coincidentally none of them being from Ace Attorney.. The game is prime real estate for Spirit jokes

Especially considering how the logo for spirits is essentially the Magatama from Ace Attorney. Lord, it really does feel like Phoenix's time to shine. Especially with Maya Fey being the one that sings Lifelight. XD

 

[EarlTamm]

None of these things are egregious and none are the fault of the guy, but I guess they’re making people slightly antsy about the future.

I recall there being one thing the guy said in an interview about mobile games that got people mad, but that was mainly because it was taken out of context by every news network wanting to get clicks.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wait there is one?

https://smashboards.com/threads/unpopular-smash-5-opinions.454402/

Yep. With a "no criticism" rule so people can express opinions freely. Of course, rules about that still exist. Flame bait and trolling are not allowed. Being unpopular doesn't mean to be inappropriate about it.

 

[Deleted member]

It's almost always a matter of "you didn't exactly align Nintendo's plans with my own wishes" so I wouldn't worry too much about it.


I suppose that's fair, but you could still supplement your claim and say afterwards you aren't up for debate. And if all you have to say is something negative about a character without any real argument, why post? It's like glorified hate.

I don't necessarily even hate the guy just the way he seems to be doing things makes me cautious since well, I've grown up with Iwata and this new guy seems to be the opposite of him so I don't know what to make of this dude.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Especially considering how the logo for spirits is essentially the Magatama from Ace Attorney. Lord, it really does feel like Phoenix's time to shine. Especially with Maya Fey being the one that sings Lifelight. XD

Oh God thank you for making me realize that. I never put two and two together with that one

 

[GoodGrief741]

I recall there being one thing the guy said in an interview about mobile games that got people mad, but that was mainly because it was taken out of context by every news network wanting to get clicks.

It was? Thank God. I gotta admit, I bought it like a sucka.

I don't necessarily even hate the guy just the way he seems to be doing things makes me cautious since well, I've grown up with Iwata and this new guy seems to be the opposite of him so I don't know what to make of this dude.

My thoughts exactly. Iwata really was a special guy.

To be honest I hoped the new CEO would be somebody who’d push Nintendo to actually make a powerful console and kick Sony’s ass. I’m a strong proponent for the ‘the third parties everyone has + strong indie support + Nintendo’s awesome exclusives = $$$$$$$$$’ equation. So seeing this guy go a more ‘cellphones and pachinko’ direction spooks me, in a very irrational manner.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I recall there being one thing the guy said in an interview about mobile games that got people mad, but that was mainly because it was taken out of context by every news network wanting to get clicks.

Given that Super Mario Run eventually ran out of gas, they may not have much traction there anyways (heck, their mobile Mario Kart title's been delayed). At least Sakurai may not get fired for silly reasons, since Ultimate sells like hotcakes/prints money and I hardly think Furukawa had any involvement with the DLC character suggestions.

Especially considering how the logo for spirits is essentially the Magatama from Ace Attorney. Lord, it really does feel like Phoenix's time to shine. Especially with Maya Fey being the one that sings Lifelight. XD

While we're at it, my wet dream is to have Trilogy!Phoenix with TimeSkip!Maya assist during some attacks for their Smash appearance.

That being said, I'll go to bed now, may we enter a new month full of promise!

 

[MissingGlitch]

When does the trilogy come out in the West? It might be our time Phoenix Bros!

 

[Deleted member]

When does the trilogy come out in the West? It might be our time Phoenix Bros!

It comes to the west when Mother 3 comes to the west!

 

[KoopaSaki]

All I want to say is I hope dearly that someday we finally get geno in and the holy trinity can finally rest. We are 2/3rds their already after all with Ridley and king K. Rool at long last being added in base game. Geno has been wanted since melee. Please square.

 

[T2by4]

If all this build up is just for a Mii costume I swear to God I'll never forgive SE.

Expect the worst, hope for the best.

 

[EarlTamm]

Wasn't one of the first things this CEO did was give people like Miyamoto less power over the games and there creative process? That is what I recall at least. And it's not like Iwata was not without his controversies as the CEO. Heck, one of the last things many fans said towards Iwata before his death was there disappointment in E3 2015(Remember Federation Force?). Sadly, his contributions were only ever fully recognized by everyone in reflection upon his passing, not while he was here.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

That'd be SE, rather. It feels like Ninty wants to have SMRPG content in so bad, but can barely squeeze it in without crossing SE's boundaries. It's like having to do a marathon while other people are enjoying a buffet at the finish line, and you can't have a nibble unless you win the race.

If all this build up is just for a Mii costume I swear to God I'll never forgive SE.

This is the narrative I have the hardest time accepting because it's based on nothing but conjecture. We just don't have any legitimate proof as to how Square has dealt with Nintendo other than, yes, they have less content than other publishers (And not all that far removed from Bandai Namco of all things given how big their relationship is). I'm not saying Square is easy to work with, and again, we have heard about prior issues with them and other arrangements.

But there is zero substantial evidence to say the state of Super Mario RPG in Smash has been negatively affected by Square's blocking. Indeed, our evidence would point to the opposite given the very presence of Geno as a Mii costume and the Mallow and Geno spirits in Ultimate.

The question has and always will be, did Nintendo ask for Geno? Until we get some sort of confirmation on that end, we can't get mad at Square. The ball is solely in Nintendo's court to make that first move. If Nintendo didn't ask for Geno as playable? Square has no reason to push him forward anyway. The worst reality for Geno is that Nintendo doesn't even bother in asking for him as playable. And then blame solely lies on Nintendo's decision. They have to be the party to suggest his inclusion.

We just can't get mad at Square until we see something or Sakurai tells us Square didn't let him in. Otherwise, I think it's actually safer to assume Nintendo didn't choose him.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

When does the trilogy come out in the West? It might be our time Phoenix Bros!

Hmmm. Last I recall, we didn't know yet. People were speculating we'd get the date in something like a Nintendo Direct.....wouldn't be bad to announce Phoenix as a fighter along with that.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Hmmm. Last I recall, we didn't know yet. People were speculating we'd get the date in something like a Nintendo Direct.....wouldn't be bad to announce Phoenix as a fighter along with that.

Crossing my fingers for the reveal trailer to take place in court with a cute character being framed for murder. Ganondorf would be a prosecutor naturally. Unless of course we get Edgeworth as an echo fighter!

 

[HolyKnight]

Expect the worst, hope for the best.

yeah this is basically how I live my life, which is why joker made me go oh wait, maybe this CAN turn out ok. since the final direct was such a MASSIVE disappointment to me. The PP reveal was actually physically painful because I thought it was Geno.

that being said, Zero isn't getting in, so if capcom gets another rep, cool, I guess, probably no one I'd play, but unless its spencer I won't actively be against them. Although arthur or dante would be kinda disappointing, just because they'd be expected. Viewtiful Joe or PW? I'm good with.

 

[Deleted member]

Crossing my fingers for the reveal trailer to take place in court with a cute character being framed for murder. Ganondorf would be a prosecutor naturally.

Phoenix Wright
Yells Objection!

 

[MissingGlitch]

Phoenix Wright
Yells Objection!

*Snarky Ganondorf response*