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MissingGlitch

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I honestly wish this mentality would go away. Two completely different characters from two completely different series who would have two completely different play styles aren't going to take each other's spots just because they share a license holder.
If there was more then one fighter pass then sure. But I highly doubt the fighterpass is going to have two SE reps and two Microsoft reps lol

It's why we are really concerned.
 
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dalolman

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Me personally, I think Steve would be a good addition to Smash, since PP was added.

Though I do agree with the point that Microsoft is turning it into a kids' game. I think Minecraft has a ton of source material to pull from, so making him faithful to how the game plays won't be hard.

All in all, I just want Geno, that's it. Megasmilax and the other SMRPG are making me suspicious, since it's quite possibly never been referenced before other than Smash 4(correct me if I'm worng).
Other characters have just as much of a chance, and reason, to be in Smash.
But now that you mention it, Slime would be a much better choice for a DQ rep than Erdrick...
 

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Me personally, I think Steve would be a good addition to Smash, since PP was added.

Though I do agree with the point that Microsoft is turning it into a kids' game. I think Minecraft has a ton of source material to pull from, so making him faithful to how the game plays won't be hard.

All in all, I just want Geno, that's it. Megasmilax and the other SMRPG are making me suspicious, since it's quite possibly never been referenced before other than Smash 4(correct me if I'm worng).
Other characters have just as much of a chance, and reason, to be in Smash.
But now that you mention it, Slime would be a much better choice for a DQ rep than Erdrick...
I think it's only because the fan demand is finally being realized. I don't know what it means for Smash, but in terms of Geno and Mallow and SMRPG as a whole, it makes me suspicious of what the future holds. Hopefully, Square Enix's desires to bring back past games and remaster them on the Switch will ring true for SMRPG, because a revival for these guys would be huge.
 

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If we HAD to get a dragon quest rep. I would love Slime. Like if we HAD to get a Minecraft rep. I would want Creeper. I tend to really enjoy the enemies in games.
 

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If we HAD to get a dragon quest rep. I would love Slime. Like if we HAD to get a Minecraft rep. I would want Creeper. I tend to really enjoy the enemies in games.
I think the only problem with Creeper is no arms. It's not a quadruped like Ivysaur, it is a bipedal figure with no arms at all, tilts and smash attacks would be a stretch. Steve works because I'd much rather think of Minecraft being pulled as a whole to the character, like Duck Hunt, Mr. Game and Watch, and PAC-Man.

I would also love Slime though!
 

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Because we don't have to like him and it's self contained here so it's like, whatever. We already know people don't like Geno and talk about it in other places so, again, it's like whatever. There is almost nothing to talk about right now aside from the same rumors we've been volleyballing since last summer anyways.
I'm not saying you have to like him, but there's a big difference between "The reason I don't think Steve would work well as a fighter is because..." and "Steve sucks". I'm sure you can guess which of the two is appropriate for discussion.

Geno slander in other places is equally useless. Just because people do it in other threads doesn't mean it's suddenly okay.

For the last bit: if you don't have anything relevant to talk about, don't post. Random and quite frankly uncalled for insults against a character entirely unrelated to "Geno support" is remixed postfarming at best.
 

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I tend to just be "okay" towards any character I don't personally want, so even if a character has a high chance of disconfirming a character I do want, I tend to not care in the end, still enjoying the game and, while I wish the character I wanted got in, I don't blame or hate another character because of it. Basically; if I don't care about the character, then I'm neutral. Maybe I even enjoy their moveset, I dunno. Hating, bashing, ranting and fighting just makes people feel bad, angry, whatever, and it's annoying to see it all.

Having legit opinions is fine, we all have opinions afterall, it's just when I see excuses like "he'd have a boring moveset" or "he'd be a Link/Villager clone"(seriously what, his game doesn't even have all of Villager's stuff) that I get annoyed, they're basically saying Minecraft has no potential for Sakurai to make an at least decently interesting character (seriously have they even played the game?), like how all the "literally who"/"irrelevant" comments about Geno are annoying (can those trolls just stop).

If we HAD to get a dragon quest rep. I would love Slime. Like if we HAD to get a Minecraft rep. I would want Creeper. I tend to really enjoy the enemies in games.
I honestly would prefer Creeper over Steve, even if I'd still love the latter regardless.

The Creeper is my favorite Minecraft mob, and the only way to play as it is to use a mod...

For its moves, it could use gunpowder, TNT, fire charges, summon other mobs...and of course, explode. It'd probably use its mouth to hold things, and use headbutts/tackles for some normal attacks.
 
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I think it's only because the fan demand is finally being realized. I don't know what it means for Smash, but in terms of Geno and Mallow and SMRPG as a whole, it makes me suspicious of what the future holds. Hopefully, Square Enix's desires to bring back past games and remaster them on the Switch will ring true for SMRPG, because a revival for these guys would be huge.
I've only just now started hearing about Erdrick with these leaks going around. Then again, I haven't played a single DQ game, and I only know about it thanks to the DQ Mario crossovers.
 

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For its moves, it could use gunpowder, TNT, fire charges, summon other mobs...and of course, explode.
If Steve gets into Smash and he doesn't have a Final Smash with mobs of wolves, cats, and pigs trampling the stage, Fighter's Pass is cancelled. :mad088:
 

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I honestly would prefer Creeper over Steve, even if I'd still love the latter regardless.

The Creeper is my favorite Minecraft mob, and the only way to play as it is to use a mod...

For its moves, it could use gunpowder, TNT, fire charges, summon other mobs...and of course, explode.
Isn't that a bit ingenuine to Creepers? I mean, in game all they can do is explode. Steve can, at the very least, launch fire charges, summon mobs, and ignite TNT.

If Steve gets into Smash and he doesn't have a Final Smash with mobs of wolves, cats, and pigs trampling the stage, Fighter's Pass is cancelled. :mad088:
I think Steve's final smash should be him hitting you once with a stick accidentally, and a massive mob of tamed wolves attack you for massive damage.
 
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It seems this thread has just devolved into the "ridicule Steve" thread. Not to say there aren't people actually supporting their opinions, but flat out saying he's "boring and uninspired" is pretty unsportsmanlike.

Seriously; perhaps I'm biased because I like Steve, but why the incessant shunning? I'm sure we'd be aggravated if the Geno fanbase was slandered in another thread, let's try not to do the same.
Come on man. People should be able to be open about their feelings towards a certain character. This isn't a hugbox. It's all a part of the discussion regarding DLC. And what people are saying isn't just "Steve is dumb and bad" or "Steve fans are CANCER!!!". People are bringing up legitimate reasons why they don't really dig the character or his possible inclusion in Smash. It's not like we're going to a Steve thread or general discussion thread to do it. The Geno fanbase is pretty much slandered everywhere. That's why I don't go to most of those places to discuss Geno. Also even though this is the Geno hype thread we still have plenty of people coming in on a regular basis to specifically tell us that Geno has no chance and a laundry list of why X characters would be better for SE DLC and DLC in general.
 
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Isn't that a bit ingenuine to Creepers? I mean, in game all they can do is explode. Steve can, at the very least, launch fire charges, summon mobs, and ignite TNT.
I dunno, I just thought a Creeper could use fire & explosive-related moves + other mobs as a way to represent the world's setting. For example, the Creeper could summon an Enderman in its grab that would help it with its throws.

They have gunpowder inside of them, Sakurai could probably make it launch an explosive shot of it. He doesn't always make the character 100% accurate.
 
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I think the only problem with Creeper is no arms. It's not a quadruped like Ivysaur, it is a bipedal figure with no arms at all, tilts and smash attacks would be a stretch. Steve works because I'd much rather think of Minecraft being pulled as a whole to the character, like Duck Hunt, Mr. Game and Watch, and PAC-Man.

I would also love Slime though!
It's just I honestly think integrating blocks into his moveset will be annoying. Limit it too much and it's pointless. Don't put enough limits on it and you just have a guy building blocks and spamming arrow the entire match. With a creeper you would at least be able to integrate other mobs into its moveset because it would make sense for evil mobs to work with an evil mob.
 

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Come on man. People should be able to be open about their feelings towards a certain character. This isn't a hugbox. It's all a part of the discussion regarding DLC. It's not like we're going to a Steve thread or general discussion thread to do it. The Geno fanbase is pretty much slandered everywhere. That's why I don't go to most of those places to discuss Geno. Also even though this is the Geno hype thread we still have plenty of people coming in on a regular basis to specifically tell us that Geno has no chance and a laundry list of why X characters would be better for SE DLC and DLC in general.
Feel free to express your opinion on Steve as long as you can at least substantiate it. Arbitrary insults aren't discussion.

Other people coming here to have at Geno doesn't make doing the exact same thing right. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
 

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It's just I honestly think integrating blocks into his moveset will be annoying. Limit it too much and it's pointless. Don't put enough limits on it and you just have a guy building blocks and spamming arrow the entire match. With a creeper you would at least be able to integrate other mobs into its moveset because it would make sense for evil mobs to work with an evil mob.
True, though the no arms thing still kinda does it for me. I'd much rather a Skeleton or a Zombie and have the mobs be integrated into smash attacks and special moves, with maybe a few exceptions.
 

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Honestly, the case of Minecraft is sad, and when I think about it, Fatman and Papa just put it into perspective better than I could have. The way Microsoft has handled the game has helped to form a culture that is undesirable. It isn't a game marketed for everyone, kids included. It's marketed for just kids. You don't see anyone but really young children playing Minecraft anymore.

That's probably why I like Terraria so much. It's never gone that route, but it's way more fun, way more interesting, and way more nice to revisit. I'll probably make a Geno character in Terraria next time I play and make him go on adventures. Hehe!
If you haven't tried mods out, Thorium and Calamity are great mods.
 

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True, though the no arms thing still kinda does it for me. I'd much rather a Skeleton or a Zombie and have the mobs be integrated into smash attacks and special moves, with maybe a few exceptions.
Let's be honest Steve barely represents Minecraft at all. He is just your form to interact with the world. Minecraft its all about the world and what you do in it. A mob Minecraft fighter would be the best way to do it. You use creeper as the face. And have all his attacks be based around other mobs that he can summon. if you still want to integrate Steve in some way, put him on the Minecraft stage building it. He builds the stage as you're fighting on it. Perfectly showcasing what he can do in the game without having to balance a block mechanic.
 

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It's genuinely upsetting to think about what happened to Rare after it became acquired my Microsoft. Banjo-Kazooie especially.
Well, Rare screwed up really bad. We know Miyamoto was a huge **** to them back when the DK Country series was going on, but it's honestly Nintendo's fault for not buying Rare completely. I really felt bad for Rare because it's like Rare is a child that had to live with an abusive parent (Miyamoto), and they were constantly worked to death by him. Miyamoto even treated their employees like ****. I thought Miyamoto was cool, but he's lost my respect after all these years; with him not listening to the fans, destroying extended Mario lore, and being an asshole to his collaborative workers. If Rare held on for just for a little a bit longer, they would've met their new and best parent ever, Mr. Iwata. The Yamauchi era was a bad time to live in, especially since Yamauchi is also the one that pissed Square off and told them to never come back. Mr. Iwata would've been the solution to fixing everything, and it's true he would've done it because he really did it with Square Enix. Because of Iwata's kindness and his powers of god-tier negotiating, he was able to build a better relationship with Square after all these years, and we wouldn't have done it without him.

Stephen Hawking said there were an unlimited amount of universes out there, and you know what? There probably is one universe out there where Banjo-Threeie exists on the GameCube and Banjo & Kazooie made it in Melee. There's also a universe out there where SquareSoft stayed with Nintendo and made more collaborations together; they probably even made Super Mario RPG 2 and 3, and Geno probably did make it in Brawl in that universe. At that point, something gets me the feeling that Nintendo would've bought out SquareSoft in that universe... if it was possible, that would've been an interesting timeline to see and be in. But it really is such a shame our universe got the short end of the stick. If Banjo got in Melee, I think he would've been the second-party representation of Nintendo.
 

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Feel free to express your opinion on Steve as long as you can at least substantiate it. Arbitrary insults aren't discussion.

Other people coming here to have at Geno doesn't make doing the exact same thing right. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Pretty sure telling people what they can and can't discuss in a thread and how they discuss it is getting into mini mod territory, m8.

Anyways, I haven't really been discussing Steve in-depth, but my two cents is that when it comes to Steve vs Banjo and Geno vs. Erdrick I feel like they're pretty similar situations in some ways. Steve and Erdrick are both characters that few if any people voted for/wanted before certain leaks came out. Both characters are (very intentionally on the part of the creators) generic and don't have much of a personality. Most of the positive support for both characters comes less from the characters themselves and more from the fact that they represent "important" series with Minecraft being huge with kids and DQ being huge in Japan. Geno and BK are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. They're fan favorite characters that have been voted on and requested by fans for years from popular games that are not seen as "relevant" because they haven't popped up in over a decade (over 2 decades for Geno). People want them in because they like those specific characters not just the series they represent. Really I think both sets of characters represent two different schools of thought when it comes to Smash speculation/requests: Getting in current/"significant" series because Smash is basically a Hall of Fame for gaming vs Getting in beloved and actually requested characters from abandoned franchises because Smash has historically been able to breath new life and interest into forgotten/dead franchises. I think in general how people feel about Geno vs Erdrick or Banjo vs. Steve is very much influenced by not only their own personal gaming experiences but where they align with respect to those previously mentioned ways of looking at Smash.
 
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Let's be honest Steve barely represents Minecraft at all. He is just your form to interact with the world. Minecraft its all about the world and what you do in it. A mob Minecraft fighter would be the best way to do it. You use creeper as the face. And have all his attacks be based around other mobs that he can summon. if you still want to integrate Steve in some way, put him on the Minecraft stage building it. He builds the stage as you're fighting on it. Perfectly showcasing what he can do in the game without having to balance a block mechanic.
How would a mob, who can only use one attack at most, represent Minecraft better than the playable character? Steve can actually make use of the multiple mechanics Minecraft has to offer, and your argument about him being nothing more than your form to interact with the world can be applied to Villager.

On top of that, would you really say that Captain Falcon represents F-Zero well? His moveset is entirely fabricated, and we've never even seen what he looks like before Smash 64.

But most of all, there's no way you can say Steve doesn't represent Minecraft well if you're not against Mr. Game & Watch's inclusion. He was literally created for Smash, and if you say he shows off the Game & Watch games, Steve would show off different blocks and items in Minecraft.
 

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It seems this thread has just devolved into the "ridicule Steve" thread. Not to say there aren't people actually supporting their opinions, but flat out saying he's "boring and uninspired" is pretty unsportsmanlike.

Seriously; perhaps I'm biased because I like Steve, but why the incessant shunning? I'm sure we'd be aggravated if the Geno fanbase was slandered in another thread, let's try not to do the same.
No, no, because a lot of people don't want him, and someone asked why, and finally no.

Someone asked why the steve hate, and people posted why. If that bothers you, you are free to ignore them or challenge them.
Many of us are also huge fans of Banjo and Kazooie, and steve being included would likely mean they wouldn't be coming with only 3 spots left, so its a large concern to people who are totally disinterested in a character for whatever reason that might edge out someone they'd prefer.

Any argument is pretty much acceptable towards anyone, even if its just "I think steve is boring". People saying Geno is irrelevant aren't wrong. I can't even really argue that point, hes had 1 real appearance ever, and then a second VERY minor cameo that was later removed beause squeenix are a bunch of asshats. I still want him more than anyone else, but I realize he's pretty much just something I and many others have a HUGE nostalgia boner for, I've felt that way since snake was leaked in brawl, confirming access to third party characters.

Geno is probably one of the most hated on characters since the grinch leak, we just deal with it, we do what we can to refute their arguments but it really comes down to personal bias, which is hard to argue for or against in most cases.

I think steve would be boring, and I really don't care much for minecraft as a whole. A creeper AT would be kinda funny, but otherwise, I cannot see the value of including any of it in smash because none of it appeals to me, I wouldn't buy it, and it would further push me away from buying the DLC at all.

Personally, the only thing I hate hearing is that someone DESERVES a spot. No, they don't, everyone who deserves a spot is in the game now. Even if they were relegated to an AT. Are there a ton of characters I want in the game? Yeah, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking they deserve a spot just because I like them and so do a lot of other people, K Rool and Ridley were the last 2 characters I would say deserved a spot, and Ridley was a boss at least, K rool had nothing.
 

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If you haven't tried mods out, Thorium and Calamity are great mods.
Oooh, yeah, I haven't done a lot of modding, but that'd probably liven up the experience. I'll check those out. Thanks, dude!!

I wonder if any aesthetics in those might even make my Geno character look extra cool. :drflip:
 

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Well, Rare screwed up really bad. We know Miyamoto was a huge **** to them back when the DK Country series was going on, but it's honestly Nintendo's fault for not buying Rare completely. I really felt bad for Rare because it's like Rare is a child that had to live with an abusive parent (Miyamoto), and they were constantly worked to death by him. Miyamoto even treated their employees like ****. I thought Miyamoto was cool, but he's lost my respect after all these years; with him not listening to the fans, destroying extended Mario lore, and being an ******* to his collaborative workers. If Rare held on for just for a little a bit longer, they would've met their new and best parent ever, Mr. Iwata. The Yamauchi era was a bad time to live in, especially since Yamauchi is also the one that pissed Square off and told them to never come back. Mr. Iwata would've been the solution to fixing everything, and it's true he would've done it because he really did it with Square Enix. Because of Iwata's kindness and his powers of god-tier negotiating, he was able to build a better relationship with Square after all these years, and we wouldn't have done it without him.

Stephen Hawking said there were an unlimited amount of universes out there, and you know what? There probably is one universe out there where Banjo-Threeie exists on the GameCube and Banjo & Kazooie made it in Melee. There's also a universe out there where SquareSoft stayed with Nintendo and made more collaborations together; they probably even made Super Mario RPG 2 and 3, and Geno probably did make it in Brawl in that universe. At that point, something gets me the feeling that Nintendo would've bought out SquareSoft in that universe... if it was possible, that would've been an interesting timeline to see and be in. But it really is such a shame our universe got the short end of the stick. If Banjo got in Melee, I think he would've been the second-party representation of Nintendo.
You know, and this might be shocking to some, but Nintendo has made a far greater mistake then not buying Rare or fallout with Square. A mistake that would change the gaming landscape forever. I am curious if you guys know of it.
 

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Well, Rare screwed up really bad. We know Miyamoto was a huge **** to them back when the DK Country series was going on, but it's honestly Nintendo's fault for not buying Rare completely. I really felt bad for Rare because it's like Rare is a child that had to live with an abusive parent (Miyamoto), and they were constantly worked to death by him. Miyamoto even treated their employees like ****. I thought Miyamoto was cool, but he's lost my respect after all these years; with him not listening to the fans, destroying extended Mario lore, and being an ******* to his collaborative workers. If Rare held on for just for a little a bit longer, they would've met their new and best parent ever, Mr. Iwata. The Yamauchi era was a bad time to live in, especially since Yamauchi is also the one that pissed Square off and told them to never come back. Mr. Iwata would've been the solution to fixing everything, and it's true he would've done it because he really did it with Square Enix. Because of Iwata's kindness and his powers of god-tier negotiating, he was able to build a better relationship with Square after all these years, and we wouldn't have done it without him.

Stephen Hawking said there were an unlimited amount of universes out there, and you know what? There probably is one universe out there where Banjo-Threeie exists on the GameCube and Banjo & Kazooie made it in Melee. There's also a universe out there where SquareSoft stayed with Nintendo and made more collaborations together; they probably even made Super Mario RPG 2 and 3, and Geno probably did make it in Brawl in that universe. At that point, something gets me the feeling that Nintendo would've bought out SquareSoft in that universe... if it was possible, that would've been an interesting timeline to see and be in. But it really is such a shame our universe got the short end of the stick. If Banjo got in Melee, I think he would've been the second-party representation of Nintendo.
Honestly, Miyamoto seems to be a consistent problem these days, He's responsible for so many bad things happening because he just HAS to do something new and crazy for every game. F Zero is still one of my favorite actual racing games out there because its more focused on your overall driving skill rather than your luck with items. But we will never get another F Zero game so long as miyamoto is overseeing everything nintendo does. I am still amazed to this day that there is a mario galaxy 2. But, hes directly responsible for F zero, star fox, and paper mario being ruined beyond belief and it hurts to say and realize that, just because we know he can do cool things still, like Odyssey and BotW
 

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Honestly, Miyamoto seems to be a consistent problem these days, He's responsible for so many bad things happening because he just HAS to do something new and crazy for every game. F Zero is still one of my favorite actual racing games out there because its more focused on your overall driving skill rather than your luck with items. But we will never get another F Zero game so long as miyamoto is overseeing everything nintendo does. I am still amazed to this day that there is a mario galaxy 2. But, hes directly responsible for F zero, star fox, and paper mario being ruined beyond belief and it hurts to say and realize that, just because we know he can do cool things still, like Odyssey and BotW
Honestly, the thing with Odyssey and BotW is that those games were mostly influenced by Koizumi's and Aonuma's oversight respectively as opposed to Miyamoto having a heavy hand. That said, eek... I wish F-Zero, Star Fox, and Paper Mario were the same.

In fact, in tune with the Geno thread, imagine paper Geno and Mallow. Oh god, I need that.
 

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Honestly, Miyamoto seems to be a consistent problem these days, He's responsible for so many bad things happening because he just HAS to do something new and crazy for every game. F Zero is still one of my favorite actual racing games out there because its more focused on your overall driving skill rather than your luck with items. But we will never get another F Zero game so long as miyamoto is overseeing everything nintendo does. I am still amazed to this day that there is a mario galaxy 2. But, hes directly responsible for F zero, star fox, and paper mario being ruined beyond belief and it hurts to say and realize that, just because we know he can do cool things still, like Odyssey and BotW
I feel like in several decades someone will do some sort of story or thought piece on people who create massively popular pieces of fiction and how their influence and the division between with what fans expect/like and what they decide to do widens over time. When I think about the types of things Miyamoto has said and done in recent years it's hard not to also think of George Lucas and more recently J.K. Rowling. They're people who struck gold in terms of creating ground breaking massively successful pieces of pop culture that resonate with people the world over. Yet over time as they've become more revered and exert more control and power on what they've created they start to make really weird decisions that fans really do not like but they keep doing them anyway. I personally think it's because they have no one telling them "Hey maybe that's not such a good idea" and are instead surrounded by yes men fellating them over every inane idea.
 

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The amount of people actually in defense of uncorroborated claims is baffling.

Saying "I think Steve is boring" is a claim, not an argument, since there's nothing there to uphold your opinion whatsoever. The only thing I imagine to be excusable with just a claim is "X game/character personally doesn't appeal to me".

No, no, because a lot of people don't want him, and someone asked why, and finally no
I guess the first two were matters of opinion, but do elaborate on how leaving a claim as "X character is [objectively negative comment]" and nothing more is a fair claim.
 

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Banjo and Steve is a quite different situation to Geno and whoever though. The main difference being that Square is already at the table for discussions where as Microsoft has no real presence in Nintendo's realm besides some crossplay options. Minecraft for all intensive purposes is a fairly unique branch of Microsoft's game studio lineup since it seems to have the most autonomy and operates on multiple consoles including Playstation systems. That's one of the reasons I think Steve has probably a better chance at getting him is while Microsoft has to sign off on it, they've already signed off for Minecraft on Nintendo consoles and have actively pushed Minecraft into every single corner of existence that they can. They're already extremely liberal with the Minecraft IP. Meanwhile Banjo has been effectively turned into a nostalgia reference and they made a pretty awful attempt at a Banjo game (The alright, but entirely misplaced Nuts and Bolts). That IP is inherently a lot closer to the chest similar to the likes of Master Chief. I'd say honestly those two are about equally likely while Steve has the better chance just because, again, he has a way more liberal presence in multimedia and consoles as is.

Geno, is in the same place as basically any other Square character in the sense that the seven have all appeared on Nintendo consoles at some point and their IPs are pretty equally accessible (Maybe less so on Kingdom Hearts given the Disney problem, but Dragon Quest we've got no clue on "how difficult" that move even is beyond a few companies help hold together the rights).

He's just at the mercy of the Nintendo/Square negotiations. And honestly, we have no idea if Nintendo will go for one or the other in that situation. The whole stealing a "spot" I have issue with because I think it's extremely likely that Nintendo would approach Square with one idea and they'll go with that one. No negotiation beyond the legal sense, just an immediate we want (Geno or Dragon Quest or Chrono Trigger or etc.) and that'll be that. We have every indication that they've done just that in the past and that it has usually been Sakurai's own issues with characters preventing them from being in, so I think whatever choices we get you should be laying at the feet of Nintendo.

But Geno has a way better chance than Banjo as far as I can see given how much more complicated his situation is in comparison.
 

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I honestly wish this mentality would go away. Two completely different characters from two completely different series who would have two completely different play styles aren't going to take each other's spots just because they share a license holder.
And then there's third parties (pardon the term) that don't even get noticed at all.

Seriously, it feels like I'm the only representative for Master Higgins and Bonk at this point.

Honestly, the thing with Odyssey and BotW is that those games were mostly influenced by Koizumi's and Aonuma's oversight respectively as opposed to Miyamoto having a heavy hand. That said, eek... I wish F-Zero, Star Fox, and Paper Mario were the same.

In fact, in tune with the Geno thread, imagine paper Geno and Mallow. Oh god, I need that.
Speaking of which, Koizumi had less involvement with Galaxy 2, which led to less Rosalina and the introduction of Lubba.

So yeah, the sooner Miyamoto retires, the better. Maybe if Pikmin 4 ever gets blooming made first...

If Nintendo is just blueballing us with all these Super Mario RPG references I'm going to scream.
That'd be SE, rather. It feels like Ninty wants to have SMRPG content in so bad, but can barely squeeze it in without crossing SE's boundaries. It's like having to do a marathon while other people are enjoying a buffet at the finish line, and you can't have a nibble unless you win the race.
 
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Steve and Erdrick are both characters that few if any people voted for/wanted before certain leaks came out.
A lot of people would want Steve or Minecraft at the very least in the game.

People on Miiverse wanted Steve, and people still want Steve today. I'm sure a lot of people weren't comfortable sharing their support for Steve/Minecraft on here because of all the jerks that probably made them feel too nervous to do so. I know I wasn't comfortable discussing Minecraft until the leaks came, I didn't even put it in my "about" thing with confidence due to how many people bash it solely because of its fanbase as if it's any worse than literally every other fanbase...
 
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Well **** I've been gone for a bit. But let me address some stuff.

I think Phoenix Wright would be cool.

I like Banjo and prefer him as the Microsoft rep. I do like Minecraft, but I don't want Steve in. However, I'd be happy for his fans (I want the Microsoft rep, if there is one, to be Banjo, though).

And yes I love Geno
 
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If Nintendo is just blueballing us with all these Super Mario RPG references I'm going to scream.
Wouldn't be surprised if each new dlc has hints at geno or smrpg and just never delivers it. At times it feels like we are getting nowhere being as vocal as we are.
 

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It seems this thread has just devolved into the "ridicule Steve" thread. Not to say there aren't people actually supporting their opinions, but flat out saying he's "boring and uninspired" is pretty unsportsmanlike.

Seriously; perhaps I'm biased because I like Steve, but why the incessant shunning? I'm sure we'd be aggravated if the Geno fanbase was slandered in another thread, let's try not to do the same.
I don’t think anything was said that’s overstepping etiquette, rules, or common courtesy. People are just stating their opinions in a civil manner. People have also spoken out in favor of Steve with zero backlash.

If anybody feels people are being unfair they can just say so. Let’s not get preemptively offended though.
 
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What do you guys think will happen when Miyamoto retires? Will Series like F-Zero come back, Will Paper Mario redeem itself?

Personally I could see F-Zero get a reboot if he ever decides to throw in the towel and retire and Star Fox while kind of dead could possibly get a lot more than what it's been dealt
 

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What do you guys think will happen when Miyamoto retires? Will Series like F-Zero come back, Will Paper Mario redeem itself?

Personally I could see F-Zero get a reboot if he ever decides to throw in the towel and retire and Star Fox while kind of dead could possibly get a lot more than what it's been dealt
Depends on what Nintendo culture is at the time.

Honestly I’m more worried about the new CEO. He gives me too much of a Konami/EA vibe. Like if let loose he’d turn every beloved franchise into a gacha mobile game.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if each new dlc has hints at geno or smrpg and just never delivers it. At times it feels like we are getting nowhere being as vocal as we are.
If all this build up is just for a Mii costume I swear to God I'll never forgive SE.
 
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Verge got a lot of things right, so I wouldn't take his words so lightly (like, say, Hitagi), but I would still take it with a grain of salt. He's still gotten things massively wrong in the past, such as stating that Noctis, Phoenix Wright, and Tails were all going to be in the base game, among others. No one's track record is perfect... for the most part.

Though, funnily, Polar's source is the only one out of all of this whose track record has been totally clean so far. They predicted multiple things that were correct (Nindies, Power Rangers game and its details, Direct contents, etc). I think the one thing they didn't see coming was Joker, but let's be real: almost no one, if not no one, saw him coming.

The fact that NoA supervisors, people in high positions in the company, are said from Polar's source to believe that Geno might be DLC still gives me a glimmer of hope. If it were just employees, I'd write that off as a dumb water cooler rumor to be disregarded, but since Polar's source's supervisors believe Geno may be coming, that's a bit of a different story.
In Polar's defense, his situation is different than, say, Verge who rushes in saying "I HAVE A SOURCE, I HAVE A SOURCE." In general, it's better to look at what people got wrong vs what they don't know. Verge claimed certain characters would be in when they weren't. That, coupled with the fact that he missed quite a few suggest that he embellished what he actually knew (likely ripped off from other people).

I will say that you should always be doubtful of soothsayers. In Polar's case, the fact that he knew of an Indie Showcase before hand suggest he has a real contact.
 
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Depends on what Nintendo culture is at the time.

Honestly I’m more worried about the new CEO. He gives me too much of a Konami/EA vibe. Like if let loose he’d turn every beloved franchise into a gacha mobile game.
He does seem worrying I hope they don't allow him to go that far with the franchises Nintendo has. Hopefully he's actually a nice guy and wants to do the best he can but I wouldn't be shocked if that's what happens. Watch them Fire Sakurai and Sakurai in turn Makes a Company with him and Kojima and they become like the most successful company out there. Of course they then buy the rights to Banjo's franchise and Geno and SMRPG then they become their Mascot characters and have consistently good games.
 
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