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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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I hate how true this comic is. It kind of pains me that Ridley was wanted for so long and that most people stopped caring once he got in because he's not top tier. I really hope this doesn't happen to Geno but this honestly does happen with a lot of popular picks. I can already tell that K. Rool is going to go the route of Dedede in Brawl and get notably worse as time goes on, even if he isn't nerfed. Megaman, Robin, Pac-Man, and Little Mac are all now super niche despite once being big characters in Smash speculation. Mewtwo, Bayonetta, Corrin, and Rosalina are not as good as their Smash 4 counterparts so their support has plummeted. Bowser Jr was resented almost right out of the gate despite a goofy amount of effort going into him and the Koopalings. I suppose that this is one of the ugly aspects of the Smash fandom is that most character fanbases hollow themselves out if the character isn't super good or at least meme-y like Dedede. Of course there's exceptions like Roy (who's ironically now stupid good after nearly 20 years) but the truth is that not a lot of Smash fans are character loyalists and jump ship if the character isn't perceived as being good.
 
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I hate how true this comic is. It kind of pains me that Ridley was wanted for so long and that most people stopped caring once he got in because he's not top tier. I really hope this doesn't happen to Geno but this honestly does happen with a lot of popular picks. I can already tell that K. Rool is going to go the route of Dedede in Brawl and get notably worse as time goes on, even if he isn't nerfed. Megaman, Robin, Pac-Man, and Little Mac are all now super niche despite once being big characters in Smash speculation. Mewtwo, Bayonetta, Corrin, and Rosalina are not as good as their Smash 4 counterparts so their support has plummeted. Bowser Jr was resented almost right out of the gate despite a goofy amount of effort going into him and the Koopalings. I suppose that this is one of the ugly aspects of the Smash fandom is that most character fanbases hollow themselves out if the character isn't super good or at least meme-y like Dedede. Of course there's exceptions like Roy (who's ironically now stupid good after nearly 20 years) but the truth is that not a lot of Smash fans are character loyalists and jump ship if the character isn't perceived as being good.
This is ironic. A lot of people say that "no one cares about Geno," "he's irrelevant," "he's forgotten," and a lot of people also think that he will remain this way if he doesn't get into Smash. But, like you said, if that character isn't top tier, people could actually stop caring. Thanks for showing this to us, Fatman.

I think I'm going to play some more Super Mario RPG right now, too
 

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I wrote a moveset for Geno a few hundred pages back, but it got mostly ignored and it wasn't that good or well explained, and I wasn't really super proud of it so... I'm re-doing it.

Geno Moveset

General Archetype:
Geno in SMRPG is a bit of a glass cannon. He's got the highest attack, speed, and magic attack of all the party members, but his low HP and lack of specialized equipment makes it hard for him to take hits. His physical attacks are very strong, and he has several special moves ranging from single-target massive damage moves, to AOE attacks that hit all enemies. To reflect this, Geno will be very fast on the ground and in the air, as well as most of his moves being quick to start up and finish, but to compensate, if you manage to overwhelm him, he's very easy to kill and does poorly in a disadvantage state.

Main Gimmicks:
-For most of his normal moves, he uses his arms to rocket punch. The moves themselves are very fast, but using them will leave him with one less arm than usual, and he can't spam any of these moves as a result. Each move that uses one of his hands can be done twice in a row, once for each hand. Certain moves will use both hands at the same time.
--When he uses one of these moves, he'll punch in a direction and send his hand out as a projectile that travels a short distance forward, and then stop and rocket back towards Geno with somewhat slow homing. Unlike Link's boomerang or K Rool's crown though, it will ALWAYS return to him eventually. They have a hitbox on the way out, but not when they're returning to him. They can be reflected when they have a hitbox, and doing so will make them hurt Geno right before he puts them back on.
--If Geno uses a rocket punch move without any hands, he'll do the animation as normal, but with a shocked expression. The move will still have a hitbox, but an incredibly tiny and weak one.
-Similar to Bayonetta, some of his moves can be extended by holding the button down to fire a star. The projectile itself functions more like one of Mega Man's pellets/lemons, and has a fairly small range before it disappears.

Stats:
-Weight: 76 (one unit less than Mewtwo, one more than G&W)
-Max Run Speed: 2.05 (faster than Yoshi and Pikachu, slower than Meta Knight and Palutena)
--His run animation will be floating across the ground with a star trail, similar to Palutena or Rosalina.
-Air Speed: ~1.3 (equal to Roy/Chrom)
-Air Acceleration: 0.1 total (equal to Ness/G&W/etc.)
-Fall Speed: 1.85 (equal to Greninja/Belmonts)
--The above three stats combined make him one of, if not the most terrifying masters of air movement. His speed and acceleration are both a bit lower than Jigglypuff, but with much more fall speed than her. However, the high fall speed makes him extreme combo food.

Normals:
Jab: A three hit combo, with an optional rapid jab. Hit one and two are a right and then left handed punch. For rapid jab, he shoots tiny bullets out of his right arm, and then finishes with a star shot. If not using the rapid jab, the finisher is just the star shot with the same animation.

F-tilt: A punch forward, followed by a flex that opens up his arm. This move can be extended to fire a star a small distance forward. If he doesn't have either of his hands, this move will only have one hit with shorter range, but can still fire a star.
D-tilt: Geno leg sweeps in front of him. Short ranged, but a fast combo starter. Holding the a button will make him fire a star that travels very low to the ground.
U-tilt: Geno lifts his arms up in a "praise the sun stars!" pose, which creates a multihit star above him. This move would functionally be similar to Ice climber's up tilt.

N-Air: Geno spins in a circle with a ring around him, in the exact same animation as Mario does in SMG and SMG2. The first time this is used after leaving the ground, Geno gains a small amount of height. Holding the button will let you fire a star in both directions, unless you land before firing.
F-Air: A rocket punch forward with his right hand. This move can only use his right hand, and without it, has a tiny, weak hitbox.
B-Air: Geno rocket punches behind him with his left hand. Similarly to F-Air, this move can only use his left hand, and without it, has a tiny, weak hitbox.
D-Air: Geno rocket punches downward with either hand. This move is pretty much the same as Mega Man's D-Air, except the hand obviously comes back. The weak hitbox without hands still sends downward.
U-Air: Geno kicks upward with a similar animation to Guile's Flash Kick. If you hold the A button, Geno will continue rotating and then fire a star directly upward with his hand, unless you land before firing.

Smash Attacks:
F-Smash w/ Right Hand: Geno holds his right arm with his left hand to charge, and then fires a rocket punch with his right hand straight forward with a range about the distance of a BF platform before it returns to him.
F-Smash w/o Right Hand: Geno props his left arm up on the empty elbow of his right hand to charge, and then fires a rocket punch with his left hand the same distance.
F-Smash w/ no hands: This move cannot be charged. Geno tries to do the pose of a right handed F-Smash, but only manages to fire a puff of smoke in his own face. This move has a tiny hitbox right on his elbow, with half the power of a normal uncharged F-Smash.

D-Smash w/ both hands: Geno crouches down and faces the camera with his arms outstretched as he charges, and on release he fires a rocket punch in both directions. Each hand travels about 75% the distance of F-Smash.
D-Smash w/ one hand: The animation is the same, but only one hand will actually fire of course. If the other hand returns while charging, both will fire as normal. If the other hand doesn't return, a tiny hitbox will cover the arm that would have fired, with 1/2 of the power.
D-Smash w/ no hands: This move cannot be charged. Geno crouches down, but instead of firing, he stops to look at his (lack of) hands, and then rolls his eyes.

U-Smash: Geno Blast! Geno charges this move by raising his arms, and then once released, he crouches down and pauses a moment before a giant pillar of rainbow light erupts in front of him. Similar to Palutena's up smash, but it's multi-hit and has a longer start-up.

Grab and Throws:
Geno has a pretty standard grab, where he reaches out with one hand to hold them in place. If he's missing one hand, he'll use the other to grab. If he's missing BOTH hands, he can't grab the opponent at all until one returns to him. Trying to grab without hands will just bring up shield.

Pummel: With his opponent in one hand, he shoots stars at them with the other.
U-Throw: Geno transforms into a cannon and fires his opponent directly upward, in a manner similar to Geno Flash.
F-Throw: Same as U-Throw, but sends them forward instead of up.
B-Throw: Same as F-Throw, but he rotates around the cannon's base after transforming to send the opponent backward.
D-Throw: Geno throws his opponent to the ground, jumps upward, and shoots a few stars down at them.

Special Moves:
Neutral B: Geno Beam! Geno lifts his arm, and starts charging a beam. Releasing the button will fire the move. This move has 4 different variations depending on how long it's charged.
-Stars will appear above Geno while he's charging. Releasing with 3 stars above him will require a 2 frame window.
-The first three levels fire a beam, each one being bigger (taller) and lasting longer than the last level. The maximum range for these three levels is approximately half the distance of FD. Charging for too long will instead make the move fail, and blow up in Geno's face, damaging him, but being a really good kill move if you get too close. (similar to Diddy's Neutral B)
-Level 1's hitbox lasts for 1 frame, level 2's lasts for 5 frames, and level 3's lasts for 20 frames, being a multihit move.

Side B: Geno Whirl! Geno fires his signature projectile directly in front of him. It's not a very strong move, but it deals a lot of shield damage. Also, if this move hits at the very edge of its range right before the projectile despawns, it will deal exactly 9.9% regardless of staling, and have enough knockback to KO at around 10% on most of the cast. The maximum range is about 95% the length of FD. Geno is stuck in endlag until the projectile despawns, making this move risky.

Down B: In a manner similar to Olimar's down B, Geno will call his fists back to him. Using this move makes both of his fists travel to him in a straight line at 5x their normal speed, as opposed to their usual curved slow-ish homing.

Up B: Geno Boost! Geno freezes in place, even if he's in midair, as he gets covered in red arrows, and then launches upward. This move can be angled to the left or right and travels a good distance. This move has no hitbox, but travels very fast. It's pretty easy to edgeguard with the long start-up time. Overall, a fantastic recovery, but it leaves him very vulnerable.

Final Smash: Star Rain! Mallow shows up to help out Geno, and together they call in a large star from above that crashes into the stage, bounces a few times, and then explodes like Geno Flash. The star itself is about the size of Rosalina's final smash before it starts getting bigger. While it's bouncing, you can use left and right to move the star around. The star will ignore most platforms.

Miscellaneous Stuff:
Up taunt: Geno raises his hands to the sky for a moment, then looks down solemnly after nothing happens. He shakes his head a few times to forget about it.
Side taunt: Geno does the animation for using an item in SMRPG, and the text "Freebie!" will appear above him.
Down taunt: Geno jumps in shock, and then falls flat on his face.

Battle entry: The Geno doll is laying on the battlefield lifelessly, before a star jumps into it and makes it grow and stand up.
Victory poses:
-Geno crosses his arms and nods to the camera. The camera rotates around him as he does this.
-Geno fires a Geno Beam to the side, and then looks over his shoulder at the camera.
-Geno laughs, and then a star pops out of Geno's head, as the doll falls lifelessly to the ground. The star (♥♪!?) floats above him in circles after the freeze-frame.

Alt outfits:
(The default skin has blue clothes with yellow highlights, orange hair, and light brown skin/wood)
-Red clothes with dark blue highlights, and brown hair, to resemble Mario.
-Baby blue clothes with white highlights, pink hair and shoes, and white skin/wood, to resemble Mallow.
-Green clothes with all other colors being the same, but slightly darker, to resemble Bowser.
-Pink outfit with darker pink highlights, and blonde hair, to resemble Peach, as well as reference to a bug in SMRPG that allows Peach to use Geno's spells.
-Purple Geno, based on his palette while poisoned.
-Gold Geno, based on the gold statues in Nimbus Land.
-Silver clothes and skin/wood with pale yellow highlights, and white hair, based on Smithy and the fake versions of bosses in Smithy's factory.

Long post is long.
 

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That's what sucks too, especially to someone like me that's pretty much been around for every major speculation cycle. Four of my five most wanted characters are now in Smash but nobody really cares about any of them outside of memes. (:ultkingdedede::ultmegaman::ultridley::ultwario:) This is especially apparent with the Pokemon characters. People haven't cared about :ultlucario: and :ultgreninja: in the longest time. Honestly, you can probably count of two hands the number of Smash characters that have meaningful fan followings that don't dampen no matter how they are on the tier list and most of them were added by Melee. This is why I think the Smash series is honestly reaching critical mass and that the next game will probably have a ton of cuts.
 

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That's what sucks too, especially to someone like me that's pretty much been around for every major speculation cycle. Four of my five most wanted characters are now in Smash but nobody really cares about any of them outside of memes. (:ultkingdedede::ultmegaman::ultridley::ultwario:) This is especially apparent with the Pokemon characters. People haven't cared about :ultlucario: and :ultgreninja: in the longest time. Honestly, you can probably count of two hands the number of Smash characters that have meaningful fan followings that don't dampen no matter how they are on the tier list and most of them were added by Melee. This is why I think the Smash series is honestly reaching critical mass and that the next game will probably have a ton of cuts.
I don't know if I agree with this sentiment. Sure, nobody is screaming on the internet about how much they want these characters... but that's because they're busy playing as them. So many Mega Man fans constantly bring up how "nothing can top Mega Man's reveal for me" and while you may not see low tier characters in tournaments, tons of people still play these characters and have a fun-ass time because they're playing as they're favorite gaming icon. I play as Ridley quite a bit, because I don't care about tier lists, and I just like the guy. Greninja is actually a perfect example of this, because while nobody is loud and public about it, Greninja mains are some of the most dedicated people I've ever seen. Greninja is THE "twitter combo" character.

Being in a game with 70+ characters doesn't make being in Smash any less special. All of these characters are love letters to their fans, and as a video game enthusiast, they all make me insanely happy to see. Except for Bayonetta she can go die in a hole.
 
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When I played Super Mario RPG yesterday, I avoided a lot of the enemies in Forest Maze so that I could reach our star boy before the new year. I will go back there

Edit: Such a loveable game with loveable characters, Geno included. The amount of hate he gets and the amount of tension in Smash speculation over a character like him is undeserved (although it is good since it means he is a big deal :D) Btw, got the Finger Shot!
 
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hate how true this comic is. It kind of pains me that Ridley was wanted for so long and that most people stopped caring once he got in because he's not top tier. I really hope this doesn't happen to Geno but this honestly does happen with a lot of popular picks. I can already tell that K. Rool is going to go the route of Dedede in Brawl and get notably worse as time goes on, even if he isn't nerfed. Megaman, Robin, Pac-Man, and Little Mac are all now super niche despite once being big characters in Smash speculation. Mewtwo, Bayonetta, Corrin, and Rosalina are not as good as their Smash 4 counterparts so their support has plummeted. Bowser Jr was resented almost right out of the gate despite a goofy amount of effort going into him and the Koopalings. I suppose that this is one of the ugly aspects of the Smash fandom is that most character fanbases hollow themselves out if the character isn't super good or at least meme-y like Dedede. Of course there's exceptions like Roy (who's ironically now stupid good after nearly 20 years) but the truth is that not a lot of Smash fans are character loyalists and jump ship if the character isn't perceived as being good.
The way I see it, Smash has two groups of fans.

Fans who watch Smash tournaments. They care about tier lists and combos; they like the game for the competition and challenge more than the characters, and even having fun. So of course they only care about high tier characters.

Then you have normal Smash fans. We like all the characters, usually the ones from our favorite games, or characters fun to play as. I know huge pokemon nerds who still main Lucario and Greninja, and dont care about tournaments.

Basically, if you want to see people actually enjoy the characters and the game, then don't expect to hear it from competitive players, and especially not forums with competitive fans.
 
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Man, Geno is really strong with his finger shot. Also, getting my *** handed to me by the Guerrillas. And my fleeing method keeps failing me
 

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The way I see it, Smash has two groups of fans.

Fans who watch Smash tournaments. They care about tier lists and combos; they like the game for the competition and challenge more than the characters, and even having fun. So of course they only care about high tier characters.

Then you have normal Smash fans. We like all the characters, usually the ones from our favorite games, or characters fun to play as. I know huge pokemon nerds who still main Lucario and Greninja, and dont care about tournaments.

Basically, if you want to see people actually enjoy the characters and the game, then don't expect to hear it from competitive players, and especially not forums with competitive fans.
I agree with this assessment. Years of research
Personal experience has shown to me that I will never understand the tournament community. I play Smash because I love seeing (most) characters interact off each other and watch them move and use items and taunt and you just can’t get that by just playing Fox in Omega stages.
 

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Those of you that have/have had dreams about Smash reveals and Geno, I envy you. I dream about mundane things like going to work. -_-

As for those that move on from a character because they're not competitively viable...so what? If YOU wanted that character, you play as that character (granted that they're playstyle doesn't turn you off completely).
It shouldn't matter what the competitive scene or anyone else thinks of that character.

Let's look at Pokemon, which has over 100x more useable characters than Smash Bros. There are hundreds of Pokemon that don't see use in competitive play. But they are all still used by people that like them.

To bring another example, look at the horrible PR that Marvel vs Infinite had. When asked about why there were no X-Men characters in the game, despite being the first Marvel series that Capcom used for fighting games, Combofiend, a pro player that was doing work on the game, used some nuclear-bad damage control to talk only about the competitive aspects of the game. "People liked Magneto because of his 8-Way dash, but we have other characters that can do that, too. Try them out." Instead of coming up with a neutral PR statement, he went with a bold, yet obviously over-generalizing statement regarding the absence of a popular character in a mascot-fighter. Not at all thinking, "Gee, maybe people picked Magneto because they LIKED Magneto?!" The best part about that is, no one bought it.

We all have characters that we wanted in, but don't play as for whatever reason. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that we wanted and still like those characters.
 
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I am getting a lot of coins from these funk rats lol

Edit: YES! I found the secret in Forest Maze!

Edit 2: All this able juice is ****in worthless lmao

Edit 3: Now, onto Pipe Vault!

Edit 4: If I accidentally jump into the lava one more ****ing tim-

Edit 5: I decided to leave Pipe Vault and buy equipment from Moleville, and I managed to get to exactly 666 coins....
 
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I have not been on since page 551. Can anyone please fill me in on what I have missed from then to now? Thank you in advance. Also, I love how that comic Fatmanonice posted gives Ridley a more human side.
 

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I am getting a lot of coins from these funk rats lol

Edit: YES! I found the secret in Forest Maze!

Edit 2: All this able juice is ****in worthless lmao

Edit 3: Now, onto Pipe Vault!

Edit 4: If I accidentally jump into the lava one more ****ing tim-
Heh....what’s funny about the secret in forest maze, is for years after the games original release, I could never find it because my perception of what the directions were was different from the games. Years later I finally realized it was meant from Mario’s point of view when he first reached the area, not mine.
 
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I have not been on since page 551. Can anyone please fill me in on what I have missed from then to now? Thank you in advance. Also, I love how that comic Fatmanonice posted gives Ridley a more human side.
Well, some more insiders pretty much saying that Erdrick is in. No one knows the DLC though.

I am playing some more Super Mario RPG rn, and it's so much fun.

Heh....what’s funny about the secret in forest maze, is for years after the games original release, I could never find it because my perception of what the directions were was different from the games. Years later I finally realized it was meant from Mario’s point of view when he first reached the area, not mine.
Same here. I kept getting confused on what directions to take. I always ended up returning to the area just before the maze or just get lost in the maze until I tried many different directions lol

Edit: Now the Goombas have returned. The most underrated Mario characters.
 
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Erdrick. The guy who's pretty much the Cloud of DQ, who's story is linked into several Dragon Quest games which turned out ot be a prequel to it? You're suggesting the star of what's widely the most popular Dragon Quest game and the original game trilogy isn't famous?

I think the flaws speak for themselves with that argument.
Thank you. I did not know that, thanks for explaining. As I said before, the more I see speculation and the reaction of certain fan bases to the deconfirmation of several characters, the more I open my mind and try to be happy for important games and characters to join Smash! That said, if Erdrick is so important and a good rep for DQ then I'll be happy for you guys and for Sakurai, for being able to make Smash even bigger when it comes to big third party games joining Smash.
 
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I am now fighting Piranha Plants. I will never be able to view them the same way.

Edit: I did some Goomba thumping and I got 21 points. Exactly 21 points.

:'(

Edit 2: Oh god, not those white, round, coin-snipping, plants...whatever they are called. Little ****ers. Annoying as ever.
 
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hate how true this comic is.
As someone who's kept up to date in the Smash scene, this narrative couldn't be anymore flawed.
I don't know if I agree with this sentiment. Sure, nobody is screaming on the internet about how much they want these characters... but that's because they're busy playing as them. So many Mega Man fans constantly bring up how "nothing can top Mega Man's reveal for me" and while you may not see low tier characters in tournaments, tons of people still play these characters and have a fun-*** time because they're playing as they're favorite gaming icon. I play as Ridley quite a bit, because I don't care about tier lists, and I just like the guy. Greninja is actually a perfect example of this, because while nobody is loud and public about it, Greninja mains are some of the most dedicated people I've ever seen. Greninja is THE "twitter combo" character.

Being in a game with 70+ characters doesn't make being in Smash any less special. All of these characters are love letters to their fans, and as a video game enthusiast, they all make me insanely happy to see. Except for Bayonetta she can go die in a hole.
The narrative in general is an overexaggeration at the fact that people no longer need to scream to get these characters in at best, or a means to throw shade at characters who got in over others at worst honestly.

Not something I accuse the maker of the comic for, to specify, regarding the shade bit.

You'd have to be confined to a convenient spot of space to suggest that after getting in, newcomers like Ridley, Daisy, Simon and company are supposedly fading away, not being talked about pfft.

Heck, the whole tiers thing itself with Ridley is questionable, what with players starting to get good with him, CPU lvlt 9 tournament, etc.

And honestly, it cheapens the effort a fanbase exerts into getting said character into Smash. Smh.

And that all flies out the window, the instant people try to claim that K. ROOL suffered a fate. It takes ignoring all the more talk they get, from K. ROOL potentially being back as the main DK villain, to Ridley now getting more exposure and merchandise even (with Reggie of all people maining him).

The notion is eye-roll worthy and comes as discouragement for characters in Smash, sheesh.
 
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I am at Yo'ster Isle and will race with Boshi. Wish me luck.

This race is one of the hardest parts of the game

Edit: YES. I FINALLY WON THE RACE.
 
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Those of you that have/have had dreams about Smash reveals and Geno, I envy you. I dream about mundane things like going to work. -_-

As for those that move on from a character because they're not competitively viable...so what? If YOU wanted that character, you play as that character (granted that they're playstyle doesn't turn you off completely).
It shouldn't matter what the competitive scene or anyone else thinks of that character.

Let's look at Pokemon, which has over 100x more useable characters than Smash Bros. There are hundreds of Pokemon that don't see use in competitive play. But they are all still used by people that like them.

To bring another example, look at the horrible PR that Marvel vs Infinite had. When asked about why there were no X-Men characters in the game, despite being the first Marvel series that Capcom used for fighting games, Combofiend, a pro player that was doing work on the game, used some nuclear-bad damage control to talk only about the competitive aspects of the game. "People liked Magneto because of his 8-Way dash, but we have other characters that can do that, too. Try them out." Instead of coming up with a neutral PR statement, he went with a bold, yet obviously over-generalizing statement regarding the absence of a popular character in a mascot-fighter. Not at all thinking, "Gee, maybe people picked Magneto because they LIKED Magneto?!" The best part about that is, no one bought it.

We all have characters that we wanted in, but don't play as for whatever reason. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that we wanted and still like those characters.
That MvCI moment was particularly embarrassing. They literally said ‘a character in a fighting game is just a combination of functions, and we have other characters filling in those functions’. Like, maybe you can get away with that with a regular fighting game, but not with a licensed one and certainly not with a crossover one, where people are actively campaigning for and expecting certain characters.
 
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Alright, so, yesterday, I replayed from the beginning of Rose Way until the end of Forest Maze in Super Mario RPG, and, like I did before, I will share my thoughts.

Rose Way is full of starslaps, shy guys, snapdragons, and crooks. There are many yellow blocks that you need to jump on and off at the right time. The starslaps, shy guys, and snapdragons are weak. You just need, at the most, 1 hit from both Mario and Mallow and they are done for. They don't hit hard at all. Then, you get to the crooks....these cowards either run away any chance they get, or they hit you. Hard. They are really fast too. They almost always get to attack first. However, if you beat them, you are rewarded with lots of coins and experience! So, it is worth fighting those guys. After you fight some crooks, you have the chance to nab a frog coin. You have to defeat the shy guys sitting in the yellow platforms, then carefully jump your way to hit the block with the frog coin in it! Not much longer until you get to the end of Rose Way after this.

You then make your way into Rose Town. You realize why the town is gloomy, and....wait, why are arrows falling from the sky!??? The townspeople are being stunned by the arrows, like statues! You decide to head into the inn, to meet a playful young boy named Gaz. He is playing with his toys, the Mario, Peach, and Bowser toys, and he is pleasantly surprised to see Mario standing in front of him. He greets Mario and asks him to play with him, and so he does. They are each giving each other's toys powerful blows, until....Mario sees a toy of someone he doesn't recognize. He is wondering who that person is, but isn't paying attention when Gaz uses that doll, accidentally launching one of the doll's fists at Mario, leaving Mario unconscious. While Mario is sleeping, a mysterious star spirit shines in the house, hovering over the toys. You don't know what it is going to do, until it places itself into the doll. The doll who Mario didn't know about. It walks around, and, unfortunately, into the stairs. It seems like it is getting used to how things work in the world. The doll, by the name of Geno, walks out of the house. Gaz was absolutely shocked by what he was witnessing. The next day, he told his mom about what happened, but his mom though he ate too much sugar. She didn't believe a word Gaz said. Amidst this arguing, Mario and Mallow head out of the inn and make their way t-

Wait, do you want to know a secret???! Do NOT leave the town! Jump on one of the head of one on the townspeople to reach a house on an elevated ground. You see treasures, and you think you shouldn't take the- but you take them anyway. You also find a switch, which you then press, and you noticed that a stairway was created outside! The toad thanks you for giving him easy access to his home and asks you if his treasures are safe, and....you lie to him and say yes. He walks into his house and gasped to see that his treasures are gone! He goes crazy, until you spill the beans. This toad, however, is generous, and instead gives you access to a secret in Forest Maze. NOW you can leave the town.

You leave Rose Town and enter Forest Maze. Then you hear that music and just stop playing to listen to that goodness. But then you pick up your controller because you want to keep playing. You battle angry wigglers, amanitas, hornets, octolots, and the god forsaken, hard hitting Guerrillas. The amanitas are a waste of time, the hornets can poison you and almost always get the first attack, the octolots have the powerful lightning orb, the wigglers increase the damage they do by pissing themselves off and then throw sand in your eyes, and the Guerrillas slap the ground, which somehow hurts you, and they throw rocks as big as Mallow at you! How disrespectful! You also fight some more funk rats, which, for some reason, give you a lot of coins. Anyways, all of these enemies aside, you get to the maze part of Forest Maze. You see that blue b*****d walking around....but you know you have to get the special secret first. You are confused at who's point of view you should be following, and you try all the possible routes....and then you eventually find the secret. However, since it's a secret, I can't tell you what you find there ;) So, after you find the secret, you follow that doll, until you come across....a talking bow named Bowyer!??? The arrows are talking as well!! You can't let him see you. You hide, but at the same time, try to listen in on what the arrows and Bowyer are talking about. One of the arrows seems to be carrying a green star, and is about to give it to Bowyer, until....

"I SERVE....A HIGHER AUTHORITY."

HE DROPS DOWN FROM THE SKY. OUR BOY GENO DROPS DOWN FROM THE SKY.

Bowyer shoots multiple arrows at Geno, Mario, and Mallow, all of them pitifully missing. However, Mario and Mallow are behind, and they must catch up to Geno! Meanwhile, Geno strikes Bowyer hard...but Bowyer recovers from it, then aiming an arrow at Geno, and fires it....

But Mario saves the day! Mario jumps on the arrow, knocking it to the ground. Bowyer is angry, and fights the trio. He tries to cheat in every way he can. He tries to prevent the team from using regular attacks, special moves, and healing items. But the trio proved too strong for the poor Bowyer. They defeat him, and Mario and Mallow properly greet the mysterious doll. He explains to them his purpose, to find the stars ans rebuild the star road, his name, which is...oops, I actually don't have all the characters of the name on my keyboard, but it's too difficult to pronounce anyway, so he tells them to simply call him "Geno." The trio obtain the star from Bowyer.

And that is the end of the part I played yesterday.
 

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Edit 2: Oh god, not those white, round, coin-snipping, plants...whatever they are called. Little ****ers. Annoying as ever.
No idea what they're actually called, but as a kid I referred to them as bottom busters haha
 

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As someone who's kept up to date in the Smash scene, this narrative couldn't be anymore flawed.

The narrative in general is an overexaggeration at the fact that people no longer need to scream to get these characters in at best, or a means to throw shade at characters who got in over others at worst honestly.

Not something I accuse the maker of the comic for, to specify, regarding the shade bit.

You'd have to be confined to a convenient spot of space to suggest that after getting in, newcomers like Ridley, Daisy, Simon and company are supposedly fading away, not being talked about pfft.

Heck, the whole tiers thing itself with Ridley is questionable, what with players starting to get good with him, CPU lvlt 9 tournament, etc.

And honestly, it cheapens the effort a fanbase exerts into getting said character into Smash. Smh.

And that all flies out the window, the instant people try to claim that K. ROOL suffered a fate. It takes ignoring all the more talk they get, from K. ROOL potentially being back as the main DK villain, to Ridley now getting more exposure and merchandise even (with Reggie of all people maining him).

The notion is eye-roll worthy and comes as discouragement for characters in Smash, sheesh.
They're not fading away altogether, that's not the argument. The argument is that the Smash fanbase really doesn't stick with a whole lot of characters, with most being niche if they're not top/high tier. Yeah, it's kind of like Pokemon in which you could technically find fans of every single one of the almost 900 buggers but the active support honestly disappears. Wario probably had a Smash fan following as big as Ridley before he got in but even when he was considered one of the better characters in Brawl his following was still small because most people considered his playstyle "weird." If they're technical most people bounce. If they're perceived as "bad", most people don't stick with them and good luck finding loyalists if they have a particularly bad matchup against a top tier (Cloud and Bayonetta all but killed Villager's appeal in SSB4, for example). I remember they even collected data on it for Smash 4 and most tournament goers were using like a 1/4th of the cast, again, with most being characters who had been in since at least Melee. Like I said, the argument isn't that people altogether stop caring about them, it's that most just become "one of more than 70 characters" once they're added for most of the fanbase and it kind of trivializes everything that got them in to begin with. Most of the fanbase really isn't super attached to a lot of the characters and I think this is what this is getting at.
 
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So, this is the current argument in a nutshell?

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It doesn't matter whether a character's success will just be a flash in the pan for a lot of people in the end. What matters is that a character gets to last beyond their game or even series by having their place secure in Smash. They might be cut for whatever reason (lack of time, technical difficulties, focusing on making elaborate modes, whatever), but will always have a home in the series, and that can't be taken away. Unless SE never allows their FF stuff in again for dumb reasons.

And for the sake of comparison, Tobal No. 2 is known for having even more characters, but good luck finding much people that can name them all without looking it up, since they're all original.

You don't know what you have until it's gone. MvC fans already had this happen to them when characters like SonSon, Amingo and Mega Man were cut out in the transition to MvC3.

Besides, the surprise factor for a given character isn't there anymore once they've been revealed, what's after that is that there's a reason to use them.

The way I see it, Smash has two groups of fans.

Fans who watch Smash tournaments. They care about tier lists and combos; they like the game for the competition and challenge more than the characters, and even having fun. So of course they only care about high tier characters.

Then you have normal Smash fans. We like all the characters, usually the ones from our favorite games, or characters fun to play as. I know huge pokemon nerds who still main Lucario and Greninja, and dont care about tournaments.

Basically, if you want to see people actually enjoy the characters and the game, then don't expect to hear it from competitive players, and especially not forums with competitive fans.
That seems fair.

I mean, we've seen how Sakurai concerns himself with people having fun most of all, which is why he had Brawl try not to be Melee 2.0 (including with weird design decisions like tripping), and actually showed regret at making Melee aimed at the competitive scene. Then you saw how 4's online setups had For Fun and For Glory. Even now, Smashville has been used by competitors to the point that he made sure that it would have more fight-appropriate music.

I am now fighting Piranha Plants. I will never be able to view them the same way.

Edit: I did some Goomba thumping and I got 21 points. Exactly 21 points.

:'(

Edit 2: Oh god, not those white, round, coin-snipping, plants...whatever they are called. Little ****ers. Annoying as ever.
No idea what they're actually called, but as a kid I referred to them as bottom busters haha
Nipper plants.
 
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The argument is that the Smash fanbase really doesn't stick with a whole lot of characters, with most being niche if they're not top/high tier.
Yeah, and I'm here to inform that such an argument is horse hockey.

Say all you will, but to try and claim that Ridley and whomever fall out of the mainstream eye just because their playstyle is considered wierd or low-toer, in a game as casual friendly and character driven as Smash, is short sighted to say the least.

Big deal if the competitive side talks about them less. And plenty of people still stay loyal to them. Again, you'd have to be confining yourself to select points of the internet, ignoring all the increased bouts of talks that each and every newcomer, echo or not are getting.

You see far less hate for Daisy these days than before she got in, Isabelle, being a requested sleeper hit, and even Ridlry himself gs risen above supposedly being "bad to play" with more people teching and combing that with them finding a way around his shortcomings.

Hell, Phoenix Wright in UMVC3 is considered one of the lower tier characters in that game, but did that stop or lower talks about him, let alone demands for him to return in Infinite? Hell no.

Also, you do realize the implications of what you're suggesting right? That this entire campaign for Genimo will supposedly all be for naught, if he isn't a high enough tier? Like people would honestly talk less about him in the long run? By that logic, why try at all?

Like I said, it's inane and nonsensical.
 

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That this entire campaign for Genimo will supposedly all be for naught, if he isn't a high enough tier?
I agree with the rest of your post and have nothing else to add, but this. I had to point this out because it made me giggle.

I just imagined Geno merged with a Tetronimo.

... Guys, that was Jon's Smash DLC prediction.

Guys. It's real. I think Genimo the tetris block possessed by a star spirit is in. :4pacman:
 

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First off Happy New Years Everyone.
Lets hope Sakurai will bless us with a Geno reveal at some point this year! He is the ONLY one left on my wishlist and then my dream fighter team will come to fruition.
I am loving smashing Ultimate right now. I love Squad strike.
My current mains are:
Megaman/Sonic (toss mix between these two)
Bayonetta/Palutena (toss mix between these two)
King Dedede
King K Rool
Ridley.

So whats the 5chan leak everyone is talking about it? can someone post the link or show please? Thank you.
 

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First off Happy New Years Everyone.
Lets hope Sakurai will bless us with a Geno reveal at some point this year! He is the ONLY one left on my wishlist and then my dream fighter team will come to fruition.
I am loving smashing Ultimate right now. I love Squad strike.
My current mains are:
Megaman/Sonic (toss mix between these two)
Bayonetta/Palutena (toss mix between these two)
King Dedede
King K Rool
Ridley.

So whats the 5chan leak everyone is talking about it? can someone post the link or show please? Thank you.
Don't have it, but these are the last 4 leaked:
Erdrick
Ryu Hayabusa
Steve
Doom Marine
 

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Don't have it, but these are the last 4 leaked:
Erdrick
Ryu Hayabusa
Steve
Doom Marine
That 5chan leak has no evidence to it, though, and it's literally just a random text leak. I wouldn't pay that too much mind, although I'd love Ryu Hayabusa and the Doom Marine, personally. I really don't know how it blew up so hugely when it's just piggybacking off of other leaks like every other fake 5chan and 4chan leak. The fact that it was posted the day before the 5chan leak including just Joker and Erdrick (which is now possibly losing credibility due to P5R) was the only reason why people jumped on it. Much like the fake Joker leak that predated TGA, I wouldn't give it any thought.
 

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You know, since upcoming characters are unexpected, it's possible that fake leakers purposely picked the SE character with the most barriers preventing entry to capitalise on that, and Erdrick happened to be it.

Not recent enough? Check. Isn't actively demanded? Check. Is from a series that's niche outside of Japan? Check. Is held by more than one company? Check, check, check, check, aaaand check.

That 5chan leak has no evidence to it, though, and it's literally just a random text leak. I wouldn't pay that too much mind, although I'd love Ryu Hayabusa and the Doom Marine, personally. I really don't know how it blew up so hugely when it's just piggybacking off of other leaks like every other fake 5chan and 4chan leak. The fact that it was posted the day before the 5chan leak including just Joker and Erdrick (which is now possibly losing credibility due to P5R) was the only reason why people jumped on it. Much like the fake Joker leak that predated TGA, I wouldn't give it any thought.
Ryu and DM would be good for me as well, but even I have reasons to be skeptical on this (even besides Steve getting less evidence as time goes on).
 
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What fake Joker leak?
There was one predating the TGA that also listed Neku Sakuraba and Crono as being in talks for the Square Rep, and asserting that Banjo-Kazooie was also in talks. Considering all the hoopla around Erdrick, that one was pretty quickly discarded.
 

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There was one predating the TGA that also listed Neku Sakuraba and Crono as being in talks for the Square Rep, and asserting that Banjo-Kazooie was also in talks. Considering all the hoopla around Erdrick, that one was pretty quickly discarded.
Boy oh man, just imagine if that turned out to be real. XD
 

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I'm late but Happy New Year Geno folks & congrats on breaking the 600-page barrier! ...Yeah, I can't think of much else to contribute since I haven't been as active here what with playing Smash Ultimate, but I've been having fun recording some matches like the good ol' days of uploading Brawl content to my YouTube channel. When the time comes either for Geno or his Mii costume making a return I'm looking forward to using them for more videos/screenshots. Really loving the camera mode by the way. :shades:

Part of me is still entertaining the idea of streaming some Super Mario RPG, but again Smash content has taken over for the time being.
 

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Boy oh man, just imagine if that turned out to be real. XD
Not gonna lie, I'd be cool with Neku and I'd be insanely happy with Crono, but Banjo?

Even if we didn't get Geno, if we got Banjo, I would rocket through my roof to the moon and die a very happy death, especially since I personally think he has no chance. mein gott
 

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Don't you just love a good game of telephone?

Anyway, the original user was saying that Rayman seems like he would be a poor fit as a Mii Gunner costume, while trying to think of other characters that would make for good Mii Gunner costumes, since he's longing for the Geno one that is MIA.
 
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