Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[OptimisticStrifer]

I'm waiting with baited breath to see if any beans get spilled today. If there was ever a time to let me down easy guy's.... now would be the time.

 

[Fatmanonice]

This has me confused. This to me seems like you're going back and forth as to whether DQ is likely or not likely. A hard no for what? A hard no for getting DQ on Nintendo platforms? It now gets into literally why territory. Why territory for what? For getting DQ on Nintendo or in Smash or not getting it on Nintendo platforms or not getting it in Smash or what?

Liscensing out Dragon Quest to literally anyone else. Square Enix has never done this in the series' entire 32 year history. There has never been a game that has just merely showcased Dragon Quest characters that Square Enix didn't develop themselves.

 

[Kuon]

Liscensing out Dragon Quest to literally anyone else. Square Enix has never done this in the series' entire 32 year history. There has never been a game that has just merely showcased Dragon Quest characters that Square Enix didn't develop themselves.

Fair enough. I mean, if they want DQ to get more representation globally I think now is the time with Smash, but who knows

 

[paper roxy]

I have Smash prepurchased and it's installed on my switch. Does anyone know if the game will be available right away at 12 a.m. on Friday? Or does it take a little?

most nintendo switch games launch at 12 a.m est, and im pretty sure starting then youll be able to start playing

 

[valkiriforce]

It would seem really bizarre of Nintendo to go to Square and ask them if they could get a Dragon Quest character to help Square out with their franchise given that Nintendo's not obligated to do them any favors. Remember we're talking about a game that is being developed by Nintendo, and Square can only give the yes or no as to whether Nintendo can use a character of theirs or not. There's the Nintendo of Japan list of characters (however many) given to Sakurai, he calls the shots on who he believes he can make into a playable character from the list, and all of this goes into asking Square or any other company if they can use said character or not. Likely if it's a hard no from Square on the one character they'll just move on to another character on their list, but that's getting into more speculative territory. Nintendo has plans of their own and I don't know if they'd take suggestions off the cuff given this DLC lineup was probably planned out in advance.

 

[paper roxy]

Fair enough. I mean, if they want DQ to get more representation globally I think now is the time with Smash, but who knows

trying to get dragon quest to be anything successful in the west would be beating a dead horse at this point

 

[Fatmanonice]

Fair enough. I mean, if they want DQ to get more representation globally I think now is the time with Smash, but who knows

And my argument is that they should have been doing this years ago with the Wii and Wii U Virtual Consoles. The E-Shop is a store without all the shipping, packing, shelf space negotiation, marketing, etc. It is as direct to the consumer as you could possibly get. Nintendo gets a cut but, again, it's still astronomically less than putting physical copies that may or may not sell in thousands of stores. Square/Armor Project still said no, again, probably because the liscensing is a mess and just easier to package, ship out, and negotiate on store shelves themselves. They're basically forced to be self reliant because of how convoluted the copyright is. Adding any more parties to the equation likely just makes it that much of a pain in the ass to deal with.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I'm worried that the insiders will know Geno isn't in; but due to the compromising position they are in, with jobs on the line and such, they'll have to keep their mouth shut, possibly watching everyone be optimistic, hopeful and hyped right before and during the VGA's and not being able to say anything.

 

[-Coco-]

It would seem really bizarre of Nintendo to go to Square and ask them if they could get a Dragon Quest character to help Square out with their franchise given that Nintendo's not obligated to do them any favors.

Nintendo is publishing the next western DQ game just like they published builders and have published games in the past. There is absolutely financial gain to be had for Nintendo to get a DQ character.

trying to get dragon quest to be anything successful in the west would be beating a dead horse at this point

This isn't true and Square has gone on record saying as much. Why do you think 11 is getting such a massive push?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Nintendo does not at all need to be submissive. We keep neglecting the Nintendo factor here.

If Nintendo wants Geno and are offered Seph, probably aren't gonna take Seph. They'd just take no one. They're not obligated to have another Squenix rep.
Swap those 2 names out for any other of the 7, my point stands.

The idea of Nintendo turning down a big fish like Sephiroth, at the risk of spurning SE after all this talk about SSE being incredibly difficult to work with?

I mean, that would be insanely dumb. If anything that would hurt Geno's chances even more if Nintendo aren't willing to play some ball here.

I mean, this is also assuming that Nintendo, the guys who didn't even bother to bring Geno back for the Super Star Saga remake would be this dogged for him that they'd pull such a stunt. This ain't it chief.

See, I don't see how Sephiroth wins out by a significant margin when it comes to hypothetical sales just because he's iconic. The demand for Smash just really isn't there. I believe someone posted a poll from Reddit the other day of most wanted DLC characters that had several thousand respondents. Sephiroth was bottom ten... Out of roughly 250. The guy's lucky to crack top 50 in major polls.

To be fair, it's a combination of things.

First off, the fact that he's placed at all, does show there's already seeds in the Smash fanbase for him. That goes coupled with the wide appeal he has as a character in general, and nothing sells a crossover fighter more than the characters. Now factor in the fact that his game is presently going to be available on the same console as said fighter, that's another plus. The fact that people have bought certain games just for him or Cloud speaks to the testament of his influence. And bonus points if it nets Nintendo a port of the FFVII remake.

In the long run, polls are great, but sometimes one who's a big want by the core Smash fanbase may not sell as well as a big fish guest star who reaches a wide audience within both the fanbase and outside.

And I reiterate, we don't even know the official numbers of the actual ballot. So who knows what happened in there? For all we know, more casuals may have come to vote for that one and Sephiroth might've pulled ahead for all we know.

 

[link2702]

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

 

[Kuon]

And my argument is that they should have been doing this years ago with the Wii and Wii U Virtual Consoles. The E-Shop is a store without all the shipping, packing, shelf space negotiation, marketing, etc. It is as direct to the consumer as you could possibly get. Nintendo gets a cut but, again, it's still astronomically less than putting physical copies that may or may not sell in thousands of stores. Square/Armor Project still said no, again, probably because the liscensing is a mess and just easier to package, ship out, and negotiate on store shelves themselves. They're basically forced to be self reliant because of how convoluted the copyright is. Adding any more parties to the equation likely just makes it that much of a pain in the *** to deal with.

Well with all that being said, it seems like none of the SE characters are likely at all. I think Erdrick is the most likely, but even then, he still has things holding him back, like all the mentioned characters do

 

[domriver]

Not sure anyone has seen this, but I find it very interesting Nintendo is tweeting about The Game Awards and then mentioning Smash Ultimate. Perhaps the first DLC announcement, is on its way?

#TheGameAwards are almost here! Make sure you tune in tomorrow night at 5:30pm PT to watch it all live before the launch of Super #SmashBrosUltimate!https://t.co/gZdCzcdHch pic.twitter.com/43AAaq3ybj

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) December 5, 2018

Now I HAVE TO WATCH IT ARGH!! lol Hype building........

If you combine the following tweets together, definitely seems like their is some sort of Smash announcement at The Game Awards.

In honor of being one week away from #TheGameAwards and in anticipation of the release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, we wanted to have a little fun with today’s #GamerRewind! 🕹 Tweet us your answer before it’s revealed! pic.twitter.com/NJR3FHPIPt

— The Game Awards (@thegameawards) November 29, 2018

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#TheGameAwards are almost here! Make sure you tune in tomorrow night at 5:30pm PT to watch it all live before the launch of Super #SmashBrosUltimate!https://t.co/gZdCzcdHch pic.twitter.com/43AAaq3ybj

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) December 5, 2018

Much like Nintendo teased last year, if they did not have anything to announce, they would not tell you to tune in. So this confirmation is actually very much welcome and awesome. https://t.co/nDnAUivHFE

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) December 5, 2018

Also @Necro Toad haven't forgotten about you I will be responding to your excellent points later on today .

OMG

COULD THIS DAY BE IT ?

must control self...

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Fatmanonice how's the Geno megapost coming along, my dude? I was just curious if it was gonna drop before the VGA's possibly crush our dreams into a million pieces.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

I'm worried that the insiders will know Geno isn't in; but due to the compromising position they are in, with jobs on the line and such, they'll have to keep their mouth shut, possibly watching everyone be optimistic, hopeful and hyped right before and during the VGA's and not being able to say anything.

The words of a longtime Geno supporter

Even though everything is pretty much going our way, I'm always worried as **** we're going to get BTFO for the millionth time

 

[Kuon]

trying to get dragon quest to be anything successful in the west would be beating a dead horse at this point

But getting DQ in Smash would make them successful in the west, just like with FE

 

[Corbin]

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

I don't know you, but I'm sending you all the positive energy I can. As someone who has dealt with a lot of medical issues, I can relate to that dread prior to seeing a specialist.

No matter what happens, keep your head up! <3 <3 <3

 

[Kuon]

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

Oh dear, I hope it's nothing serious, and I hope everything turns out okay for you. Stay positive about it

 

[Fatmanonice]

Well with all that being said, it seems like none of the SE characters are likely at all. I think Erdrick is the most likely, but even then, he still has things holding him back, like all the mentioned characters do

Except Geno.

 

[Gum-Gum Smash]

Yup things are looking more like Smash is gonna be at the VGAs with those tweets

Btw with the whole ballot thing, I know a lot of casuals. I know that in the description for the character they voted for (like why did you vote for this character?) it was because they wanted more villains. Just food for thought. I mean, I love Sephiroth (though personally my fav is Kefka) and he is iconic, but I guess I always saw him as a boss? Like, Dr. Eggman/Robotnik is more iconic I'd argue, but I don't see him getting in Smash as more than a boss you know? Though both would be pretty bad*** as playable characters I won't lie
(Also Geno is a Mario character like Fatmannonice said. It doesn't really matter, as that's Nintendo's baby)

I mean, you could also look at it as each third party only gets two unique. Sonic Bayo, Snake Simon, Mega Man Ryu, even Pac-Man with the supposed Llyod rumor. Cloud and whoever this Square Rep is. Nothing says it HAS to be a different franchise, just that each company gets two unique reps. Still though, every single one of them has things going for and against them, and if it's really Geno VS. Sephiroth, and Crono/Dragon Quest is out, then it just depends on what Nintendo is trying to go for

Also

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

Sorry about that! Hope it turns out to be nothing

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Yup things are looking more like Smash is gonna be at the VGA with those tweets

Btw with the whole ballot thing, I know a lot of casuals. I know that in the description for the character they voted for (like why did you vote for this character?) it was because they wanted more villains. Just food for thought. I mean, I love Sephiroth (though personally my fav is Kefka) and he is iconic, but I guess I always saw him as a boss? Like, Dr. Eggman/Robotnic is more iconic I'd argue, but I don't see him getting in Smash as more than a boss you know? Though both would be pretty bad*** as playable characters I won't lie
(Also Geno is a Mario character like Fatmannonice said. It doesn't really matter, as that's Nintendo's baby)

I mean, you could also look at it as each third party only gets two unique. Sonic Bayo, Snake Simon, Mega Man Ryu, even Pac-Man with the supposed Llyod rumor. Cloud and whoever this Square Rep is. Nothing says it HAS to be a different franchise, just that each company gets two unique reps. Still though, every single one of them has things going for and against them, and if it's really Geno VS. Sephiroth, and Crono/DQ is out, then it just depends on what Nintendo is trying to go for

Also


Sorry about that! Hope it turns out to be nothing

Let's hope Nintendo doesn't go for completely ****ing tone deaf

 

[DaxMasterix]

Guys, Don't forget to make your wishes! Who Knows.. It may get conceded :D

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Guys, Don't forget to make your wishes! Who Knows.. It may get conceded :D

*proceeds to put "For Sakurai to put Geno in Smash Ultimate as a DLC fighter" on my Christmas list*

 

[Kuon]

Except Geno.

lol yep, totally, 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if you know who it is but you're just saying all the cons against each character so that you don't get caught spreading info about the character that's actually in

Edit: And yeah, while it is true that Geno has no legal issues holing him back, that doesn't mean he's for sure getting in

 

[FalconFire93]

Ah, the VGAs are tomorrow, well, time to get disappointed again like when TMNT were announced as characters in Injustice 2 than any actual viable DC character like Constantine, Etrigan, Beast Boy, Static, Penguin, or Killer Croc. Which is now one of the reasons I refuse to buy any character season pass until I see every revealed character and with that, I’ll never get burned again.

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

Sorry to hear that man, hopefully all turns out for the best and get well soon.

 

[HMpoweredMan]

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

I wouldn't worry. It could just be a murmur or an irregular beat. It could be something you've had your whole life and just never knew about. I have a bicuspid aortic valve and it hasn't harmed my life. I'm 29. When a doctor hears something in your heart it's more of a better safe than sorry thing to get it checked out by a specialist. An EKG measures the electric response of your heart. From there if it seems to be something physical in nature they will to an ECG or echo which gives an image of your hearts' structure.

 

[Robertroid]

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

Oh man, I hope it’s nothing serious!
My wish to the star road is that you get better
If somehow disease empathy works, I’m 32 and with blood pressure issues...genetic just hates us sometimes :/

 

[Kuon]

Still though, every single one of them has things going for and against them, and if it's really Geno VS. Sephiroth, and Crono/Dragon Quest is out, then it just depends on what Nintendo is trying to go for

What makes you think it's Geno v Sephiroth and that Crono and DQ are out? I don't think anyone has said that any of the characters are out except for Sora

 

[skydogc]

Hype responsibly tomorrow guys, something tells me I might have to miss it.

My doctor found something on an ekg scan that he felt was important enough to send me to a heart specialist for...

Only 30 and already possible heart problems... life’s a ***** sometimes.

Rough man. Not fun, but fortunately there are many low level things that can pop up, and plenty of other things that can be handled and treated easily.

Still, hopefully it's nothing serious. Just take care dude.

 

[Gum-Gum Smash]

What makes you think it's Geno v Sephiroth and that Crono and DQ are out? I don't think anyone has said that any of the characters are out except for Sora

I thought that the rumor from Polar and the others was that Sora was rejected, and the only considered contenders left was Sephiroth and Geno. Everything else was just office talk. Maybe things have changed, but that's what I remember people saying (but it's just a rumor so anything could happen)

 

[timbo8]

that so srange sora was a hard no but while the other sqaure rep is not sure if there in or not maybe it me but that sounds fishy to me?

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

But getting DQ in Smash would make them successful in the west, just like with FE

There's no guarantee of that. Just cuz it worked for fire emblem doesn't mean it will work for Dragon Quest. It very well might, but it also very well might flop just like the other times they've tried to market dragon quest in the west.

 

[Deleted member]

lol yep, totally, 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if you know who it is but you're just saying all the cons against each character so that you don't get caught spreading info about the character that's actually in

Edit: And yeah, while it is true that Geno has no legal issues holing him back, that doesn't mean he's for sure getting in

And no one is saying for sure Geno is in, as have been stated, all the time

 

[Kuon]

I thought that the rumor from Polar and the others was that Sora was rejected, and the only considered contenders left was Sephiroth and Geno. Everything else was just office talk. Maybe things have changed, but that's what I remember people saying (but it's just a rumor so anything could happen)

That's not what I heard, and when I saw Vergeben's private message after it got leaked, it said that Sephiroth, a Dragon Quest character (Slime, Erdrick, and the Luminary), and Chrono were the most likely ones. It said that Sora was out and not to take Geno seriously. Here's the message: https://imgur.com/a/gbMYO0a

 

[Ze Diglett]

There's no guarantee of that. Just cuz it worked for fire emblem doesn't mean it will work for Dragon Quest. It very well might, but it also very well might flop just like the other times they've tried to market dragon quest in the west.

Don't forget, it took Fire Emblem over a decade after its introduction in Smash to really break ground in the West with Awakening. And that was for a first-party franchise which took little to no financial risk to include.

 

[Fatmanonice]

lol yep, totally, 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if you know who it is but you're just saying all the cons against each character so that you don't get caught spreading info about the character that's actually in

Oh no, I just love to logically dissect stuff and, honestly, I'm kind of glad I did.

*cue spotlight on center stage and soft accompanying piano music *

Guys, I've come to realize that, no matter who we get, it would have been a hard fought battle.

Geno- the Smash underdog. A 22 year dream come true.

Dragon Quest- finally overcame its liscensing Hell after 32 years.

Sephiroth- honored to be the first unique secondary third party character in Smash.

Crono- Legitimized in what's essentially the Video Game Hall of Fame despite the franchise not having a new game in 19 years.

This all being said, it will be a really big day for whoever is chosen and their fans so try to accept whatever outcome with grace and dignity....





















But, you know, whatever, it's totally going to be Geno.

 

[Deleted member]

That's not what I heard, and when I saw Vergeben's private message after it got leaked, it said that Sephiroth, a Dragon Quest character (Slime, Erdrick, and the Luminary), and Chrono were the most likely ones. It said that Sora was out and not to take Geno seriously. Here's the message: https://imgur.com/a/gbMYO0a

This is the list of seven characters Vergeben was told. He heard Sephiroth, Crono, and DQ the most, was told not to take Geno too seriously, and was told Sora was not in. For the 3 Square Enix characters from the person connected to SE (I think) with the Linkedin profile, he mentioned 3 Square Enix characters. One was rejected, that was Sora, one was up for serious negotiations, which was Geno, and one was for just in case negotiations didn't get through with Geno, and that was Sephiroth. This isn't 100% confirmed, but this is what was said

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Don't forget, it took Fire Emblem over a decade after its introduction in Smash to really break ground in the West with Awakening. And that was for a first-party franchise which took little to no financial risk to include.

That's very true. You could argue that smash did little more than plant the seeds, it was awakening that truly brought fire emblem to the west on a wider scale. Marth and Roy also got to enjoy some fan popularity without dealing with the "too many anime swordsmen" stigma that started appearing after melee. I imagine Erdrick or Luminary would have greater hurdles to jump all around.

 

[Gum-Gum Smash]

There's no guarantee of that. Just cuz it worked for fire emblem doesn't mean it will work for Dragon Quest. It very well might, but it also very well might flop just like the other times they've tried to market dragon quest in the west.

This. Plus unlike Fire Emblem, it isn't a free risk. Nintendo has to pay for the rights as well. So they are pouring buckets of money into something they don't know will sell, to do what? Promote something they don't own? It doesn't make much sense to me (and I'm not hating on Dragon Quest, it is a good franchise and is iconic, but I don't see it happening)

 

[Kuon]

This is the list of seven characters Vergeben was told. He heard Sephiroth, Crono, and DQ the most, was told not to take Geno too seriously, and was told Sora was not in. For the 3 Square Enix characters from the person connected to SE (I think) with the Linkedin profile, he mentioned 3 Square Enix characters. One was rejected, that was Sora, one was up for serious negotiations, which was Geno, and one was for just in case negotiations didn't get through with Geno, and that was Sephiroth. This isn't 100% confirmed, but this is what was said

So then which one do we believe? The list of seven or the LinkedIn one?