Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Why do I have an unsettling feeling Crash might end up being a MII outfit despite him being a good choice.

Maybe because of all the commercials of a guy on a Crash costume.

Honestly Crash is like a Sora situation for me. He's just too big to be a mere costume, either he's in the game as a playable fighter or not at all.

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

The only relevant thing was that Vergeben confirmed Nintendo and Koei Tecmo negotiated about Smash. He says that seeing stuff like Hyrule Warriors, HW: The Age Of The Calamity, Fire Emblem Warriors and the leaked Ninja Gaiden collection for Switch and PS4 in March he doubts it means nothing. So Hayabusa's chances are good

Thanks!

About Waluigi, I feel that if there was one character that Nintendo would be willing to make playable despite already being an assist/costume in Ultimate, it'd be him due to the sheer fan outcry.

 

[Megadoomer]

I'll have to work during the presentation tomorrow, but hopefully the Mii costumes are just based on Nintendo, Microsoft, or Rare characters. I'd hate to come back from work to find out that the Mii costumes are Dante, Doomguy, Cacodemon (a hat), Chocobo (a hat), Mallow (a hat), and Geno (with a direct rip of Beware the Forest Mushrooms) - I'm glad that Steve got in, but something like that would sour the whole experience for me.

The Mii costumes seem to have avoided outright gut punches like K. Rool or Geno this time around (with the possible exception of Heihachi), though, so I think it will be fine.

If it is mostly Microsoft characters, I'm hoping that Master Chief isn't one of them, though.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I think things and concepts can also be like...scrapped. Steve miraculously loop-de-looped itself into the game but if you’re at the point you hear evidence for more characters than there are Challenger Pack’s something’s off and the whispers might not pan out.

But that's just it. There's room in the game for 4 more after Season 2. We talked about it a long time ago but the fact that the dummyslots was 16 (Plant + 3 Fighter's Passes) and how Season 2 was given the same amount of time as both Smash 4's DLC and the Fighter's Pass combined is kind of suspicious. I would also argue that first party stuff being canned is one thing but third is a whole other beast. The only third party character we've heard of not working out is Heihachi and Namco was one of the co-developers of Smash 4. I can't see Nintendo snagging the rights to someone like Crash or Chief and being like "nah, this ain't working out."

 

[SpectreJordan]

I don't really want Hayabusa either, but I do think he is deserving of getting in. He is one of the last NES all stars that isn't in the roster yet along with Arthur from Ghost 'N Goblins, Bill Rizer/Lamce Bean from Contra, and Billy Lee/Jimmy Lee from Double Dragon.



Namco because they only have one rep in Smash right now. Namco is the only 3rd party in Smash with only one rep yet they have been co developing Smash 4 and Ultimate alongside Sora Ltd. I think it's inevitable a Namco rep will be in Fighter's Pass 2.

I wouldn’t say Namco is guaranteed, at this point I think they could just trying to be humble & not put anymore of their own characters in the game they’re developing.

We’ve had three opportunities since Pac-Man to get another character & we haven’t, despite it probably being really easy/cheap for Nintendo to get. Heihachi, Lloyd/Yuri & Chosen Undead would’ve all been big hits but they didn’t get into Smash 4’s DLC, Ultimate’s Base roster or FP1.

I’m not saying it’s impossible; I think Yuri/Lloyd have a decent shot tbh. But I think the ball is in Namco’s court & they might not want to just to be humble. I’m 50/50 with Namco as of now.

 

[Enigma735]

I won't be salty if we don't get Geno anytime soon just as long as he isn't just randomly shoved in to a Mii Costume Wave. I was fine with Steve getting included, but I will always have an unsettling feeling in my stomach in every Sakurai Presents where he shows off a new Mii Costume Wave. I am praying to the lords up in Star Road that he isn't coming back as a costume, and that he will be a character. We all know Sakurai wants Geno, so he can't ignore us that much longer, especially after including other fan favorites like Ridley, King K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie.

 

[Droodle]

Thanks!

About Waluigi, I feel that if there was one character that Nintendo would be willing to make playable despite already being an assist/costume in Ultimate, it'd be him due to the sheer fan outcry.

I don't really think Nintendo really cares about fan outcry too much, especially because most of the outcry was in the West. The outcry against Corrin wasn't enough for them to stop with putting in Byleth. If Waluigi does end up getting in, I think it'll be due to a hypothetical season 3 that focuses on promos rather than season 2.

I do think we'll probably end up getting 1 more 1st party character in this pass; who is likely a promotional character from a recent game at the end. The new SourceGaming video brought up a good point, where chances are the reasons that Corrin or Byleth were chosen were likely related to their timings. Nintendo/Sakurai may like ending DLC with a main character that is from a recently released 1st party game in order for the pass to not feel as "dated". It certainly fits, as Corrin and Byleth were both released at the perfect time to accomplish this.

So we may get the main character debuting from a game released in mid-late 2021 to take that Byleth/Corrin slot. The question is who? It has to be from an unannounced game I'm guessing.

 

[Mr. Peepee]

Honestly so far the characters I feel like that have a good shot at happening are

Geno
Crash
Ryu Hayabusa
Travis Touchdown (which I find very similar to how Solid Snake was included, a developer begging for the character to be included lol)
A Sword and Sheild rep or another 1st party
A Bandai Namco character (maybe Lloyd?)
A Capcom Rep (Literally no idea who it could be)

 

[Enigma735]

I don't really think Nintendo really cares about fan outcry too much, especially because most of the outcry was in the West. The outcry against Corrin wasn't enough for them to stop with putting in Byleth. If Waluigi does end up getting in, I think it'll be due to a hypothetical season 3 that focuses on promos rather than season 2.

I do think we'll probably end up getting 1 more 1st party character in this pass; who is likely a promotional character from a recent game at the end. The new SourceGaming video brought up a good point, where chances are the reasons that Corrin or Byleth were chosen were likely related to their timings. Nintendo/Sakurai may like ending DLC with a main character that is from a recently released 1st party game in order for the pass to not feel as "dated". It certainly fits, as Corrin and Byleth were both released at the perfect time to accomplish this.

So we may get the main character debuting from a game released in mid-late 2021 to take that Byleth/Corrin slot. The question is who? It has to be from an unannounced game I'm guessing.

Ehhhhhhh I hear this thrown around a lot but I don't agree with this at all.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. I 100% do believe that Nintendo listens to the fan outcry, it just isn't the only factor. As you said, promotion is another big factor, but that's because Nintendo is a company. Adding in new and recent characters for their upcoming game could increase sales for said game. Makes sense. But their has been plenty of instances Nintendo does listen to what the fans want. Nintendo held the Fighter Ballot back in the Smash 4 days, which was created for the sole purpose to please the fans. That's how we have gotten many fan demanded characters like Ridley, King K. Rool and Banjo. And if that's not enough, their is even plenty of instances when Nintendo has listened to other things outside of Smash.

Do I think that all the choices are made because of fan demand? Absolutely not. But I wouldn't be too surprised to see Nintendo include at least one or two more characters off of the Ballot.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

If characters are picked and planned out years in advance, same game Mii costume promotions are looking a lot less likely, especially if they were DLC. Characters like Rex, Isaac, and Skull Kid are obviously the hardest pills to swallow for this but it's one of those things that begrudgingly makes sense. If characters were being picked as far back as 2015, why would they make characters that would eventually be playable Mii costumes? This is especially in your face if you consider how Geno could have simply come with Hero or Steve with Banjo because those Mii costumes sales would have still made bank despite people's disappointment.

Dude not every character is going to take years of planning for them to make it in. Steve was a special case simply because FP2 was when they decided it was the right time to add him. Nintendo obviously talks with multiple companies about potential Smash inclusions and the process from discussions to implementation can easily vary. First party characters especially can only take a couple of months of planning development with how easy they are to gain the licensing for in comparison

 

[pinshadow]

Like I said before, negotiations don't always pan out, and they also don't always lead to characters. I mean, we literally had it confirmed that Bethesda did talks with Nintendo about Smash. Did it pan out? Not really, they got a mii costume. What company ISN'T going to try and negotiate for something in Smash at this point? (aside from Sony obviously.) It's the same kind of thing with Koei, have they talked with Nintendo about Smash? Almost certainly, not only do they have arguably the best third party relationship with Nintendo alongside Namco but we know they were already even slightly involved in Smash, since Byleth was developed alongside their own game, with Sakurai playing dev builds, and Three Houses was primarily developed by Koei, and they even helped out with the trailer according to Sakurai. Does that mean Ryu is in?

Just take this stuff with a grain of salt for the time being. The fact that companies like Ubisoft and Bethesda are involved with nothing but Mii Costumes is all you really need to see to understand that the days of "company in smash=100% character slot" are over.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

I don't see how Steve (or whoever it would've been) would get you to buy the pass in the first place. No matter whether you like Steve or not, you still wouldn't have any clue if you're gonna like the last four.

If there's a character like Isaac, Geno, Crash, Rayman, etc. then yeah that would sell the whole pass to me because then I would feel the need to support it. Also, as long as there's at least one character on that level I would be happy to have them as well as other characters I don't really care about but would enjoy experiencing their playstyles but it's only worth it to me if there's a character I really care about.

 

[Droodle]

Ehhhhhhh I hear this thrown around a lot but I don't agree with this at all.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. I 100% do believe that Nintendo listens to the fan outcry, it just isn't the only factor. As you said, promotion is another big factor, but that's because Nintendo is a company. Adding in new and recent characters for their upcoming game could increase sales for said game. Makes sense. But their has been plenty of instances Nintendo does listen to what the fans want. Nintendo held the Fighter Ballot back in the Smash 4 days, which was created for the sole purpose to please the fans. That's how we have gotten many fan demanded characters like Ridley, King K. Rool and Banjo. And if that's not enough, their is even plenty of instances when Nintendo has listened to other things outside of Smash.

Do I think that all the choices are made because of fan demand? Absolutely not. But I wouldn't be too surprised to see Nintendo include at least one or two more characters off of the Ballot.

The key words are "too much", I don't really think the outrage was anywhere as big enough that Nintendo immediately thought that they should put in Waluigi in Pass 2/bonus all of a sudden. I think they notice the demand for a majority of the characters in pass 1, but that doesn't mean that they're going to get in; at least right now.

Currently Waluigi AND Geno both suffer from being rivals to each other, yeah they're from different genres but ultimately, they are BOTH Mario characters. I don't think Nintendo's going to put them both in the same pass for that reason, even if they both have fan demand; especially since there are a multitude of other 1st party characters suffering from that same issue but from completely different series. I could see one of Geno/Waluigi in this pass, and then the other in a potential future pass; but not together. And currently I lean more towards Geno getting in right now compared to Waluigi.

The thing with Waluigi is that he has a mii costume that references him heavily AND an AT. Those are some steep hurdles to overcome. But who knows maybe he will overcome them. If we really aren't getting a mii costume upgrade like Fatman suggests, I don't really think we're getting Waluigi or Dixie (along with Rex). Really the only difference is that Rex has a full set, but if mii costumes deconfirm; then all mii costumes should deconfirm. As we haven't had any upgrade in the exact same game yet, maybe those characters will get in next time.

 

[Enigma735]

The key words are "too much", I don't really think the outrage was anywhere as big enough that Nintendo immediately thought that they should put in Waluigi in Pass 2/bonus all of a sudden. I think they notice the demand for a majority of the characters in pass 1, but that doesn't mean that they're going to get in; at least right now.

Currently Waluigi AND Geno both suffer from being rivals to each other, yeah they're from different genres but ultimately, they are BOTH Mario characters. I don't think Nintendo's going to put them both in the same pass for that reason, even if they both have fan demand; especially since there are a multitude of other 1st party characters suffering from that same issue but from completely different series. I could see one of Geno/Waluigi in this pass, and then the other in a potential future pass; but not together. And currently I lean more towards Geno getting in right now compared to Waluigi.

The thing with Waluigi is that he has a mii costume that references him heavily AND an AT. Those are some steep hurdles to overcome. But who knows maybe he will overcome them. If we really aren't getting a mii costume upgrade like Fatman suggests, I don't really think we're getting Waluigi or Dixie (along with Rex). Really the only difference is that Rex has a full set, but if mii costumes deconfirm; then all mii costumes should deconfirm. As we haven't had any upgrade in the exact same game yet, maybe those characters will get in next time.

Yeah I can agree with this. I don't really think Waluigi has that good of a shot, and if Waluigi did somehow get included, I don't think Geno would and vice versa. My general post was moreso about ANY fan request like Geno, Isaac, Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Waluigi.

Even though I do find this unlikely myself, if bonus characters are something that will be brought to the table, then I think then we could get both Geno and Waluigi. As for this Pass, I do agree that it is most likely one or the other.

 

[QQS]

Saw it on oh_heyyyy_andy on Twitter.

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

Yeah I can agree with this. I don't really think Waluigi has that good of a shot, and if Waluigi did somehow get included, I don't think Geno would and vice versa. My general post was moreso about ANY fan request like Geno, Isaac, Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Waluigi.

Even though I do find this unlikely myself, if bonus characters are something that will be brought to the table, then I think then we could get both Geno and Waluigi. As for this Pass, I do agree that it is most likely one or the other.

I agree as well. I was mostly just pointing out what character and reason they'd do it for if it actually happened.

 

[Droodle]

Yeah I can agree with this. I don't really think Waluigi has that good of a shot, and if Waluigi did somehow get included, I don't think Geno would and vice versa. My general post was moreso about ANY fan request like Geno, Isaac, Dixie, Bandana Dee, and Waluigi.

Even though I do find this unlikely myself, if bonus characters are something that will be brought to the table, then I think then we could get both Geno and Waluigi. As for this Pass, I do agree that it is most likely one or the other.

Yeah that's pretty much all I was suggesting. I'm not against Waluigi, but currently the odds are stacked against him getting in regardless of fan-demand. Of course he could break the perceptions we have about AT/Mii costume upgrades, but as the slots decrease; the chances get lower for something like that to happen.

Dude not every character is going to take years of planning for them to make it in. Steve was a special case simply because FP2 was when they decided it was the right time to add him. Nintendo obviously talks with multiple companies about potential Smash inclusions and the process from discussions to implementation can easily vary. First party characters especially can only take a couple of months of planning development with how easy they are to gain the licensing for in comparison

Yeah this is also important to note, with a franchise as massive as Minecraft owned by (at the time) a direct rival; there are going to be plenty of negotiations/preparations to capitalize it's presence in Smash. On top of discussing what the best way to represent the series is. Minecraft is an outlier, not all series are going to be in the works for 5 years. I doubt that any other character that may come out in FP 2 will be in the works for that long.

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

Is it weird that even though I was fully expecting either Chief or Steve to be in Ultimate it still feels very surreal to me now that it's happening? Makes me wonder how I'll feel if Geno gets in.

 

[Mr. Peepee]

A Geno and Mallow duo character where you can swap between them would be such an amazing thing to implement. Too bad, it won't happen though. Or could it?

 

[waterhasataste]

This is probably the most interested I've been in for a Mii Costume Wave since probably Hero I'd say. I'm very curious to see what comes out tomorrow. I think it'll certainly shake up speculation some more even if the wave doesn't end up being all that exciting

 

[Mr. Peepee]

Yeah, Hero's Mii wave was when all Geno fans had their eyes WIDE open and their mouths in shock when he wasn't shown. Myself included.

This is probably the most interested I've been in for a Mii Costume Wave since probably Hero I'd say. I'm very curious to see what comes out tomorrow. I think it'll certainly shake up speculation some more even if the wave doesn't end up being all that exciting

 

[LapidotShipper4Life]

A Geno and Mallow duo character where you can swap between them would be such an amazing thing to implement. Too bad, it won't happen though. Or could it?

That would be cool actually, like Pokémon Trainer!

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

A Geno and Mallow duo character where you can swap between them would be such an amazing thing to implement. Too bad, it won't happen though. Or could it?

Considering how bonkers Min Min and Steve's movesets are, I honestly wouldn't count it entirely out of the realm of possibility at this point.

 

[waterhasataste]

Yeah, Hero's Mii wave was when all Geno fans had their eyes WIDE open and their mouths in shock when he wasn't shown. Myself included.

Yeah. I remember that being a shocker. I thought Geno would get costumed and then he didn't. Really wondering what tomorrow brings. Could be some interesting implications

 

[Mr. Peepee]

Everyone when we see Cacodemon Mii Costume tomorrow which mean Geno real

[2WEI Version] Gangsta's Paradise but only the choir bit for 20 minutes

10 minute regular version https://youtu.be/dPXvMhwnf04 Full song but only choir https://youtu.be/m-C-ApyyHBA

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[PatPrime]

Man, seeing a Cacodemon hat tomorrow would be cool as it would most likely confirm Cacomallow and put Geno even higher up but it would also be quite dissapointing as Doomguy, my current most wanted, would be officially deconfirmed.

 

[Mr. Peepee]

I love how everyone is just waiting for the Mii costumes to be shown off rather than caring about what stuff Steve is bringing to the table lol

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

Just watch them show off a Cacodemon hat but it has a different model so we're just left scratching our heads wondering if the leak was fake or if at some point in development they just changed the way it looks.

 

[MisterMike]

Man, seeing a Cacodemon hat tomorrow would be cool as it would most likely confirm Cacomallow and put Geno even higher up but it would also be quite dissapointing as Doomguy, my current most wanted, would be officially deconfirmed.

So basically:

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

I'm still convinced that Freddy Fazbear is at some point going to be the equivalent of Sans; the Deluxe Mii that blindsides everyone. I wanted to get this joke out before it happens

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[Inawordyes]

I love how everyone is just waiting for the Mii costumes to be shown off rather than caring about what stuff Steve is bringing to the table lol

Steve honestly looks really fun and I am super interested in how his moveset is gonna work.

But for the purposes of the Geno thread, we would understandably have a more-vested interest in the Mii Costumes because that can directly relate to Geno is he shows up, or increase/decrease his chances based on who else does.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Steve honestly looks really fun and I am super interested in how his moveset is gonna work.

But for the purposes of the Geno thread, we would understandably have a more-vested interest in the Mii Costumes because that can directly relate to Geno is he shows up, or increase/decrease his chances based on who else does.

I think really the ENTIRE Smash community is zeroed in on the Mii Costume wave of each fighter since it's do or die for their favorites

 

[T2by4]

How many returning mii costumes are missing? 5 right? So we have a 1/5 chance or more tomorrow of getting screwed... I'm nervous bros... I just can't shake this sense of dread for Geno's fate tomorrow.

 

[ForsakenM]

Man the takes on this thread make no sense sometimes, like thinking either Geno or Waluigi getting in hurts the chances of the other getting in as well despite one of them being a 3rd party Square rep and the other being the most-demanded 1st party Mario character.

I also saw someone here suggest that Min-Min, the favorite character of a Nintendo IP that didn't really stick with Nintendo fans and was dead as a doornail up until this March, being Vol 2's 'Joker reveal' when Joker was a 3rd party rep that no one thought was possible and got people so hype that the pass made big time sales. Sorry, there is no comparison here, at closest Min-Min is Vol 2's Byleth by being a 1st party rep that no one really asked for. Steve is clearly more comparable to Joker in terms of being a huge reveal that will get people hyped to buy the pass.

Also, thinking Geno's costume is happening tomorrow is just kinda dumb and overly pessimistic. Square keeps their content as their own and Microsoft not only has the chance for some Mii Costumes of their own but we also still have both Monster Hunter costumes and Gil's costume to return as well as our usual Deluxe/Premium costume. It's also a bit silly to think that Chief will be costumed, as that is similar to thinking Sora would be costumed: you don't negotiate for a name that big just to make them a costume. Also, we are just assuming that we will get six costumes tomorrow even though that hasn't happened since Joker and we've also had the pattern of getting two returning costumes broken with both Hero and Min-Min where it is shown to be possible to get only one or none at all, so keep that in mind as well.

I'm going to laugh if Cacodemon shows up tomorrow. There is no way they don't shuffle that costume to show up after Geno to keep from accidentally confirming him this ****ing early. I also think we will get another character reveal and release some time in November, so long as Sakurai's announcement of the new Amiibo still lines up with what we know which is reportedly in November. I also don't think they can hold onto Geno until the end of the pass.

We got our 1st party and we got our big 3rd party collab that sells the pass but doesn't cater wholly to the Smash community, so logical procedure would be that the next one is a deep-pocketed Smash fanbase pick...and we only have one choice for that.

 

[Kremling Kommander]

How many returning mii costumes are missing? 5 right? So we have a 1/5 chance or more tomorrow of getting screwed... I'm nervous bros... I just can't shake this sense of dread for Geno's fate tomorrow.

It’s:
Geno and Chocobo(Square)
MH Blade and Rathalos costumes(Capcom)
Lloyd and Gil(Namco)
So in total, six costumes still missing.
I won’t lie either, despite what I said earlier, I also have a bit of a bad feeling that it could happen. While one side of me is mostly saying “Square content won’t come with Steve, it wouldn’t make sense”, the other side is saying “It’s Nintendo, of course they’ll do that”

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Imagine if no major character's got mii costumed tomorrow. No Lloyd, No Cacodemon, no Chief.

 

[YsDisciple]

Lads, fret not. Geno's chances still stand strong. He's coming. Have faith.

 

[gzmee]

i want masahiro sakurai to come into my house and sensually whisper in my ear that geno will not be a mii costume so i can have a peaceful nights sleep without waking up 3 times because im sweating so much

 

[gzmee]

i want masahiro sakurai to come into my house and sensually whisper in my ear that geno will not be a mii costume so i can have a peaceful nights sleep without waking up 3 times because im sweating so much

dont get into smash speculation if you have an anxiety disorder. dont do it

 

[ForsakenM]

I just feel like Cacodemon can't be there tomorrow strictly because it would confirm Cacomallow and would spoil Geno's reveal.

The only way is if it looks different from the Cacomallow leak, but even then it's pretty much GG.