Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Vector Victor]

While it definitely seems like a long shot that we get one soon, I don't think they have killed them off entirely, at least for now. I don't really know how else they would drop info if they did ditch directs.

It just made their decision to change it that more frustrating.

'We have an information set-up called Directs that the vast majority of our fanbases love and literally count down to when we announce them. Dropping out of E3 showcases and using Directs only was met with skepticism at first but was later praised for its efficiency and cost cutting measures. Now even our competition is copying that same format.

We see our system that's praised and beloved by all that also gets to the point of what people want and helps go indepth with big name titles and give our indies a chance to shine. Our gaming rivals consider it brilliant.

So with all that success, we decided to drop the format and question how we can relay gaming news to our fans. And we decided the best way to communicate is by not communicating. Anyway, here's Bakugan. See you in 7 months maybe.'

 

[Icewolff92]

I'm still holding out for a reveal in September. If we get fighter 7 in September, then I think we still have a really good chance of getting fighter 8 before the end of the year.

Don´t get me wrong, I want news sooner rather than later. But with "everything" going on, I wouldn´t be surprised if the biggest thing we get this year is to release official announcement/release date for the Mario collection (unless it's not another Star Fox Grandprix which is a game that never was anything other then leakbait) and maybe some Pokemon Snap news if TPC is doing a last-minute presentation about Crown Tundra.

And truth be told, the longer the time goes, the more I´m starting to believe Imran Khans "leak/speculation" that majority if not all of the characters in this pass is first-party characters.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I never said it was flat-out impossible, sorry if I came off that way. It just seems unlikely to me. The only kinda big character who has a Mii costume without a playable fighter from that franchise is Heihachi, which is a returning costume from 4. So yeah, I'm personally pretty doubtful they'd costume Dante when not only would he bring a lot of hype content as a playable character, he'd also satisfy casual and hardcore fans alike, and is loaded with moveset potential.

And so I don't come off as unfair to Phoenix, I think he would bring a lot of hype content and satisfy casual and hardcore fans too. He pales in moveset potential, since I don't think they'd want to be too similar to Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, but I'm sure something could be worked out since we've gotten movesets out of less.

You’re forgetting Assassin’s Creed, which is a mega series with over 100 million sales. Resident Evil is also a series with over 100 million sales & it got spirited away. DMC is a lot smaller than that. Dante’s my second most wanted character but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get the Mii costume or spirit treatment.

Don´t get me wrong, I want news sooner rather than later. But with "everything" going on, I wouldn´t be surprised if the biggest thing we get this year is to release official announcement/release date for the Mario collection (unless it's not another Star Fox Grandprix which is a game that never was anything other then leakbait) and maybe some Pokemon Snap news if TPC is doing a last-minute presentation about Crown Tundra.

And truth be told, the longer the time goes, the more I´m starting to believe Imran Khans "leak/speculation" that majority if not all of the characters in this pass is first-party characters.

I wonder if he’d include Geno as a first party character. Geno’s in a weird spot where technically he’s a Square character but he’s only appeared in Mario games so he’s also a Nintendo character. Basically everyone outside of the Speculation scene will count him as a Mario character instead of a third party.

Also if that hint is true, then he also hinted/speculated that we’ll be seeing a mega character. He specifically mentioned someone like Sora & Master Chief. But then said talks failed for Sora.

 

[YsDisciple]

Hmm, with Moon having released on the Nintendo Switch, how crazy it'd be if we got a Moon Spirit Event sometime soon?

 

[Firox]

Don´t get me wrong, I want news sooner rather than later. But with "everything" going on, I wouldn´t be surprised if the biggest thing we get this year is to release official announcement/release date for the Mario collection (unless it's not another Star Fox Grandprix which is a game that never was anything other then leakbait) and maybe some Pokemon Snap news if TPC is doing a last-minute presentation about Crown Tundra.

And truth be told, the longer the time goes, the more I´m starting to believe Imran Khans "leak/speculation" that majority if not all of the characters in this pass is first-party characters.

Not gonna lie, I'd be super pissed if the whole pass ends up with nothing but first-party characters. That would absolutely obliterate my hype levels.

 

[TheCJBrine]

It seems the recent Tanabe interview basically confirmed that rumor of Nintendo having an overly paranoid and hypocritical Quality Assuramce committee holding back PM characters/character designs, judging by GameXplain’s recent video.

This sucks, man. At least Geno for Smash is safe.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Not gonna lie, I'd be super pissed if the whole pass ends up with nothing but first-party characters. That would absolutely obliterate my hype levels.

Unfortunately I think that is exactly what's happening, and it's a damn shame.

 

[Firox]

Unfortunately I think that is exactly what's happening, and it's a damn shame.

Aside from Imran Khan's rumors, do we have any other evidence to corroborate this assumption? I just want to know whether I should stop caring about Nintendo now and move on to other games/systems or if I should hold onto any hope for a decent pass.

 

[Icewolff92]

Not gonna lie, I'd be super pissed if the whole pass ends up with nothing but first-party characters. That would absolutely obliterate my hype levels.

For me, it would just be an arm shrug depending on who it would be, even if I would be massively disappointed if Geno won´t get in (concidering he is one of the three characters I support that feels like he has a legit shot.). My life motto is to expect the worse, hope for the best after all, and I´m not really against anyone as long as its no 4th party (or with Sora´s cause, I would be fine with him getting in, as long as "OG Kingdomheart" stuff ends in, and nothing Disney related like Goofy and Donald in his potential final smash comes with him)

Edit - in essence. I don´t think a first-party pass is a dumb idea in theory concidering how many first-party favorites that are yet to be playable...

I wonder if he’d include Geno as a first party character. Geno’s in a weird spot where technically he’s a Square character but he’s only appeared in Mario games so he’s also a Nintendo character. Basically everyone outside of the Speculation scene will count him as a Mario character instead of a third party.

Also if that hint is true, then he also hinted/speculated that we’ll be seeing a mega character. He specifically mentioned someone like Sora & Master Chief. But then said talks failed for Sora.

He said that they went to Disney Japan though, which makes me confused because (playing Devil's advocate here). If they want Sora, they need to go to the headquarters in the states. And Disney have a Kingdom Hearts tv series on Disney + planned... I think you are seeing where I´m getting with this.

When it comes to Geno if he is seen as third or first, I have no idea. But I have to say. Tanabe´s comment about the "Mario committee" makes me a bit worried about him.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Whether or not a mostly first-party focused Pass would be good would depend entirely on the characters. I certainly wouldn't complain if they used it as an opportunity to put in more fan favorites (Waluigi, Dixie Kong, Isaac, Rex, etc.)

 

[okamifire]

Aside from Imran Khan's rumors, do we have any other evidence to corroborate this assumption? I just want to know whether I should stop caring about Nintendo now and move on to other games/systems or if I should hold onto any hope for a decent pass.

It's funny that you would stop caring about Nintendo because of the possibility they put only Nintendo characters in their pass. How dare they put Nintendo in my Nintendo game! =P

I don't think you have too much to worry about. I would be legitimately surprised if there weren't at least 3 Third Party characters in this pass. I could possibly see 2 Third Party and 4 First Party, but I'm honestly not expecting more than 3 First Party. If we get 6 First Party I'll buy the pass for the first 5 people that don't have it already. I'm that confident mostly because I can't think of 5 more good First Party characters they'd want to put in the pass. Heck, I'd do that for 5 First Party and 1 Third Party too.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

Hmm, with Moon having released on the Nintendo Switch, how crazy it'd be if we got a Moon Spirit Event sometime soon?

The only way I see that happening is if Sakurai approached Geno's creator Kazuyuki Kurashima.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I think any first party DLC can be largely separated into dark horse fan favorites with some from IP's largely in hibernation (Waluigi, Isaac, Andy), the proverbial 4th player character from various semi-active franchises (Dixie, Bandana Dee, Impa, Captain Toad), or promotional based picks for relatively recent titles (Rex & Pyra,, Elma, Gen 8 Pokemon, Howard). Depending on your particular fandom you may prefer one type over another, so a first party pick is hardly an automatic win to most people.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Probably not a great thread to post this in but.....I think a fighter pass with only first party characters would still be very hype for me.

If it gave currently unrepresented Nintendo ips playable representation. (Frankly if we got reps for Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, Chibi Robo, Advance Wars etc I'd be jumping up and down too much to worry about anyone complaining. A lack of new Nintendo franchises with playable representation is one of my pet peeves for Ultimate. Min Min is a start but I'd still like to see another one or two new Nintendo franchises represented in Ultimate)

 

[Firox]

It's funny that you would stop caring about Nintendo because of the possibility they put only Nintendo characters in their pass. How dare they put Nintendo in my Nintendo game! =P

I don't think you have too much to worry about. I would be legitimately surprised if there weren't at least 3 Third Party characters in this pass. I could possibly see 2 Third Party and 4 First Party, but I'm honestly not expecting more than 3 First Party. If we get 6 First Party I'll buy the pass for the first 5 people that don't have it already. I'm that confident mostly because I can't think of 5 more good First Party characters they'd want to put in the pass. Heck, I'd do that for 5 First Party and 1 Third Party too.

LOL When you put it that way it does sound kind of funny. I guess I jumped the gun a little with my prejudice against Nintendo characters but to clarify, my beef wouldn't so much be with Nintendo characters as it would be if Nintendo shilled their own BS without any regard for fan demand. For example, I know there will ALWAYS be SOMEBODY that likes what we get, but Byleth and Min Min strike me as examples of Nintendo pushing its own agenda rather than legitimately trying to garner hype. If we get more fan picks that are first party, then I suppose I wouldn't mind as much, but if they just load up a bunch of shills then I definitely wouldn't be too excited. Still, to your point, I agree that the chances are incredibly slim that we don't get at least 1 third party pick.

PS. Would Isaac count as a first party? Or is Golden Sun a second party thing?

PPS. Your comment of "How dare they put Nintendo in my Nintendo game" reminded me of a funny comment I saw on Youtube for the Byleth reveal. It read, "I still can figure out why they keep adding Smash characters to this FE game."

 

[Theguy123]

In some rather interesting news, a recent interview with Tanabe (https://nintendoeverything.com/pape...es-will-continue-to-move-away-from-rpg-roots/) contained this excerpt:

“When developing Paper Mario: Sticker Star, one of our goals was to move away a bit from the traditional RPG style. Nintendo has another RPG series starring Mario and we wanted to distance ourselves from it by making an adventure game with a focus on solving puzzles.”

Controversial statements aside, Tanabe mentioned “another RPG series starring Mario”, which is most likely the Mario & Luigi series. Now obviously he could be talking about them in retrospect, but a part of me feels like Tanabe just inadvertently confirmed the Mario and Luigi series is still alive somehow.

What do you guys think? Mario RPGs have been through a lot recently so I’m hoping this idea turns out to be correct, this spinoff series could use some overall positive news.

I had the same thoughts as well. It looks like he’s hinting towards a mario and Luigi game for the switch. Makes sense to be fair because they updated the trademark last year which I thought was a bit strange

 

[Vector Victor]

Honestly, just because someone is 3rd party doesn't mean they should be automatically bumped to the front of the playable line.

 

[okamifire]

Probably not a great thread to post this in but.....I think a fighter pass with only first party characters would still be very hype for me.

If it gave currently unrepresented Nintendo ips playable representation. (Frankly if we got reps for Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, Chibi Robo, Advance Wars etc I'd be jumping up and down too much to worry about anyone complaining. A lack of new Nintendo franchises with playable representation is one of my pet peeves for Ultimate. Min Min is a start but I'd still like to see another one or two new Nintendo franchises represented in Ultimate)

I think there are a good deal of first party picks that would be really great additions, especially like you said Golden Sun and Advance Wars. I agree actually that a Fighter's Pass of all currently unrepresented first party characters would be pretty good. I think the main problem I have is that if they're going to go all first party, people would want the popular first party characters left out of series that currently exist, like Dixie / Waluigi / Bandana Waddle Dee / Impa / any Pokemon, etc. Those are all great characters, but to me not great pass editions. There would be little to no music that represents them that isn't in the game already, and while they could definitely add a stage from any of their respective games, a stage from Golden Sun or Advance Wars would just offer more variety.

Who knows, maybe they will pick unrepresented series at this point, I'd be down for that. I do think there will be 1 or 2 more first party picks, it's just unclear if Nintendo has any desire to keep Golden Sun or Advance Wars going. (Advance Wars is one of my favorite strategy games, and while the last one in the series was dark and didn't have Andy / the colorful cast of the first couple, it was still a damn good strategy game.)

 

[okamifire]

LOL When you put it that way it does sound kind of funny. I guess I jumped the gun a little with my prejudice against Nintendo characters but to clarify, my beef wouldn't so much be with Nintendo characters as it would be if Nintendo shilled their own BS without any regard for fan demand. For example, I know there will ALWAYS be SOMEBODY that likes what we get, but Byleth and Min Min strike me as examples of Nintendo pushing its own agenda rather than legitimately trying to garner hype. If we get more fan picks that are first party, then I suppose I wouldn't mind as much, but if they just load up a bunch of shills then I definitely wouldn't be too excited. Still, to your point, I agree that the chances are incredibly slim that we don't get at least 1 third party pick.

PS. Would Isaac count as a first party? Or is Golden Sun a second party thing?

PPS. Your comment of "How dare they put Nintendo in my Nintendo game" reminded me of a funny comment I saw on Youtube for the Byleth reveal. It read, "I still can figure out why they keep adding Smash characters to this FE game."

I think Byleth was a bit of a shill pick, but at the same time, Three Houses is a pretty respectable game in the series. While I'm not thrilled on the 8th Fire Emblem character, I do think their moveset is a fresh breath of air to some of the other FE characters and overall is a fun addition.

Nintendo doesn't create new IPs that regularly, so Min Min getting in doesn't bother me. I guess I'm more surprised that ARMs didn't make playable base roster.

Hmmm... I think Golden Sun is probably a Second Party type thing as Camelot is technically their own Developer. But as far as I know Nintendo is their sole game Publisher since 2000, so I'm not 100% sure how that works. I feel that Second Party is closer to First than Third, so I'd lean more towards First Party for the sake of 1st vs. 3rd.

Honestly I'm going to be pleased with the pass regardless as I think the last 6 characters have been great.

Honestly, just because someone is 3rd party doesn't mean they should be automatically bumped to the front of the playable line.

I also agree with this, but I think Nintendo set some precedence by adding the Belmonts, Hero, Banjo, Terry, and Joker to the last pass. I think for me, there's something more inherently exciting about getting non-Nintendo characters only because it's one of those "I didn't even think they could do that!" that still hasn't fully sunk in. Yeah, it happened in Brawl with Snake and Sonic, and then with Megaman and Pacman in 4, so I really shouldn't still feel that way. But you gotta admit it's less surprising to get an ARMS character than a Persona character, yeah? The "surprise" factor is something. But yeah, like mentioned above, I think an all 1st party pass could have great potential, I just don't personally see it happening based on their Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate DLC thus far.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Honestly, just because someone is 3rd party doesn't mean they should be automatically bumped to the front of the playable line.

I don't think anyone's arguing that. One of the theories that we've worked with since last year is that Nintendo seems to have an order to things when it comes to Smash DLC. First they start with themselves then companies they've already worked with and then new companies. Characters that have broken this pattern have been promotional characters.

Smash 4: Mewtwo (TPC), Lucas (HAL/Ape), Roy (Intelligent Systems), Ryu (Capcom USA), Cloud (Square Enix), Corrin (promotional, Intelligent Systems), Bayonetta (SEGA/Platinum)

Ultimate Fighter's Pass: Plant (Nintendo), Joker (SEGA/Atlus), Hero (Square/Armor Project), Banjo (Microsoft/RARE), Terry (SNK), Byleth (Intelligent Systems/Tecmo)

Ultimate Season 2: Min Min (Nintendo)

We've talked about it for almost a year now but the speculation groundwork for Season 2 has been packs representing the following companies thanks to Power of Six theory: Nintendo, Square, Namco, Capcom, and Microsoft. This theory also supports that at least one of the six will be totally brand new company wise. This honestly makes sense because Smash 4's DLC totally new company to Smash was Square and the Fighter's Pass's was SNK (RARE content technically goes back to the original). Because of this groundwork, it's been expected for a long time that 7 would most likely be Capcom, Namco, or Square since they all premiered in Smash 4. Ever since last November, honestly, the evidence has pointed pretty strongly to Square being 7 and has gotten stronger with time.

 

[Firox]

I don't think anyone's arguing that. One of the theories that we've worked with since last year is that Nintendo seems to have an order to things when it comes to Smash DLC. First they start with themselves then companies they've already worked with and then new companies. Characters that have broken this pattern have been promotional characters.

Smash 4: Mewtwo (TPC), Lucas (HAL/Ape), Roy (Intelligent Systems), Ryu (Capcom USA), Cloud (Square Enix), Corrin (promotional, Intelligent Systems), Bayonetta (SEGA/Platinum)

Ultimate Fighter's Pass: Plant (Nintendo), Joker (SEGA/Atlus), Hero (Square/Armor Project), Banjo (Microsoft/RARE), Terry (SNK), Byleth (Intelligent Systems/Tecmo)

Ultimate Season 2: Min Min (Nintendo)

We've talked about it for almost a year now but the speculation groundwork for Season 2 has been packs representing the following companies thanks to Power of Six theory: Nintendo, Square, Namco, Capcom, and Microsoft. This theory also supports that at least one of the six will be totally brand new company wise. This honestly makes sense because Smash 4's DLC totally new company to Smash was Square and the Fighter's Pass's was SNK (RARE content technically goes back to the original). Because of this groundwork, it's been expected for a long time that 7 would most likely be Capcom, Namco, or Square since they all premiered in Smash 4. Ever since last November, honestly, the evidence has pointed pretty strongly to Square being 7 and has gotten stronger with time.

I totally agree with this. We have lots of reason to believe that the pass will be fairly diverse, featuring both 1st and 3rd parties alike. If we end up with anything that's even remotely close to this, I feel I could be content with that.

 

[HanSoloIndie]

In some rather interesting news, a recent interview with Tanabe (https://nintendoeverything.com/pape...es-will-continue-to-move-away-from-rpg-roots/) contained this excerpt:

“When developing Paper Mario: Sticker Star, one of our goals was to move away a bit from the traditional RPG style. Nintendo has another RPG series starring Mario and we wanted to distance ourselves from it by making an adventure game with a focus on solving puzzles.”

Controversial statements aside, Tanabe mentioned “another RPG series starring Mario”, which is most likely the Mario & Luigi series. Now obviously he could be talking about them in retrospect, but a part of me feels like Tanabe just inadvertently confirmed the Mario and Luigi series is still alive somehow.

What do you guys think? Mario RPGs have been through a lot recently so I’m hoping this idea turns out to be correct, this spinoff series could use some overall positive news.

I know Tanabe is very controversial in the Mario RPG fandom. I mean heck, just look how they treat the most basic Mario Universe lore (whether it was meant to be joking or not, it clearly doesn't have effort in trying to be funny):

The devs and I gonna have a problem pic.twitter.com/zMgOGEoEUx

— _kairy_draws_ (@_kairy_draws_) July 22, 2020

(Heck, Mario Party DS, another game I spend a lot of time on my Dsi, has better respect. Not my post)

@_kairy_draws_ Took a little digging but I found a developer description that gives him better credit. In Mario party ds of all places. https://t.co/F0OvOclYIc pic.twitter.com/ZwD74L1WXv

— Joshua :D (@TheRandomJoshua) July 24, 2020

As much as I don't like Tanabe's direction of the PM series as a producer, please let this be a hint towards the heartbeat of the Mario and Luigi series being alive. I played Dream Team on a special 3DS edition (which was an integral part of my early 3ds experience and I still have it) and Inside Story, and loved those games. If they can give that back, I will at least be somewhat happy. That being said, I don't think I would be 100% comfortable with the Mario and Luigi series being in Tanabe's hands. I mean, I started to notice that Dream Team (mildly), Paper Jam, and the ML: SS remake were all looking more closely to the mainstream Mario universe, which arguably takes away from the series' niche.
The same applies to PM. If you make the series closer to the mainstream Mario universe, what makes me be able to discern it from the mainstream Mario? Yes, the Mario spin-offs and RPGs were home to great experiments in gaming, but they each had core elements, environments, and character designs that made them stand out in quality and charm.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Aside from Imran Khan's rumors, do we have any other evidence to corroborate this assumption? I just want to know whether I should stop caring about Nintendo now and move on to other games/systems or if I should hold onto any hope for a decent pass.

At most I see it being a 50/50 split. Nintendo bragged about how well the first Fighters Pass did. I’m pretty sure they know it’s because of characters like Joker, Banjo & Hero. If they want this Pass to do similarly, they’d pick characters like those guys.

I’m not really sure who they could add besides Rex, a Sw/Sh Pokemon & a BOTW character. Akira Howard & Ring Fit got DLC spirits. While popular first parties like Dixie & BanDee would make more sense as base game picks for the next Smash, much like Ridley & K Rool were saved for Ultimate instead of Smash 4 DLC.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Not gonna lie, I'd be super pissed if the whole pass ends up with nothing but first-party characters. That would absolutely obliterate my hype levels.

I mean, even if most of the pass ends up first-party, there is still room for one or two third-party characters, including Geno.

I’m not really sure who they could add besides Rex, a Sw/Sh Pokemon & a BOTW character.

Waluigi.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think anyone's arguing that. One of the theories that we've worked with since last year is that Nintendo seems to have an order to things when it comes to Smash DLC. First they start with themselves then companies they've already worked with and then new companies. Characters that have broken this pattern have been promotional characters.

Smash 4: Mewtwo (TPC), Lucas (HAL/Ape), Roy (Intelligent Systems), Ryu (Capcom USA), Cloud (Square Enix), Corrin (promotional, Intelligent Systems), Bayonetta (SEGA/Platinum)

Ultimate Fighter's Pass: Plant (Nintendo), Joker (SEGA/Atlus), Hero (Square/Armor Project), Banjo (Microsoft/RARE), Terry (SNK), Byleth (Intelligent Systems/Tecmo)

Ultimate Season 2: Min Min (Nintendo)

We've talked about it for almost a year now but the speculation groundwork for Season 2 has been packs representing the following companies thanks to Power of Six theory: Nintendo, Square, Namco, Capcom, and Microsoft. This theory also supports that at least one of the six will be totally brand new company wise. This honestly makes sense because Smash 4's DLC totally new company to Smash was Square and the Fighter's Pass's was SNK (RARE content technically goes back to the original). Because of this groundwork, it's been expected for a long time that 7 would most likely be Capcom, Namco, or Square since they all premiered in Smash 4. Ever since last November, honestly, the evidence has pointed pretty strongly to Square being 7 and has gotten stronger with time.

Are there any other Square characters competing with Geno heard in insider circles by any chance?

 

[Nazyrus]

Waluigi.

Or you know, Isaac… the one who has been high up in demand during ballot times, smelling krool's crack on every list lol

 

[Let Geno Smash]

Between the discution a 1st Party Focused Pass, I wouldn't be suprised if we get one or two more but I doubt more than that, IMO should be something like this:
-A 1st Party who promotes something (Like Byleth)
-A 3rd Party who would be the BIG pass seller (Like Joker)
-A 1st Party who is more like a Sakurai pick (Like Terry, I know Terry is 3rd Party but is a Big Sakurai pick)
-A long time request 3rd Party (Like Banjo)
-A 3rd Party who promotes a new switch game (Like Hero)
I saw this on ResetEra: Min Min, Any Pokemon Rep, Crash, Rex, Geno and Travis. It's just perfect and I doubt somebody would be mad with this

 

[Icewolff92]

I’m not really sure who they could add besides Rex, a Sw/Sh Pokemon & a BOTW character. Akira Howard & Ring Fit got DLC spirits. While popular first parties like Dixie & BanDee would make more sense as base game picks for the next Smash, much like Ridley & K Rool were saved for Ultimate instead of Smash 4 DLC.

YOu do know that SW/SH has had a spirited event too? Besides (playing devil's advocate here) shouldn´t min min kill all the rules besides "for good boys and girls" and that the IP needs to originate as a videogame?

 

[Trevenant]

Between the discution a 1st Party Focused Pass, I wouldn't be suprised if we get one or two more but I doubt more than that, IMO should be something like this:
-A 1st Party who promotes something (Like Byleth)
-A 3rd Party who would be the BIG pass seller (Like Joker)
-A 1st Party who is more like a Sakurai pick (Like Terry, I know Terry is 3rd Party but is a Big Sakurai pick)
-A long time request 3rd Party (Like Banjo)
-A 3rd Party who promotes a new switch game (Like Hero)
I saw this on ResetEra: Min Min, Any Pokemon Rep, Crash, Rex, Geno and Travis. It's just perfect and I doubt somebody would be mad with this

Honestly, that's the pass I have been predicting since the ARMS character was revealed in March. How would people feel about this pass? I kind of thought that Level 5 and Travis were interchangeable since they have basically the same merits but with Travis having a new game on the way but Level 5 being more closer with Nintendo.

 

[TheCJBrine]

That being said, I don't think I would be 100% comfortable with the Mario and Luigi series being in Tanabe's hands. I mean, I started to notice that Dream Team (mildly), Paper Jam, and the ML: SS remake were all looking more closely to the mainstream Mario universe, which arguably takes away from the series' niche.
The same applies to PM. If you make the series closer to the mainstream Mario universe, what makes me be able to discern it from the mainstream Mario? Yes, the Mario spin-offs and RPGs were home to great experiments in gaming, but they each had core elements, environments, and character designs that made them stand out in quality and charm.

I don’t think this is Tanabe’s fault; rather, Nintendo decided to be dumb, judging by his recent interview seeming to really back up that rumor of a nonsensical Mario Quality Assurance committee preventing the use of unique character designs/use of some characters in general, making themselves look like hypocrites when it comes to mainline Mario + they allow some unique characters anyway which just backtracks whatever reasons they have against Goombella/Goombario etc.-like characters.

 

[SharkLord]

Between the discution a 1st Party Focused Pass, I wouldn't be suprised if we get one or two more but I doubt more than that, IMO should be something like this:
-A 1st Party who promotes something (Like Byleth)
-A 3rd Party who would be the BIG pass seller (Like Joker)
-A 1st Party who is more like a Sakurai pick (Like Terry, I know Terry is 3rd Party but is a Big Sakurai pick)
-A long time request 3rd Party (Like Banjo)
-A 3rd Party who promotes a new switch game (Like Hero)
I saw this on ResetEra: Min Min, Any Pokemon Rep, Crash, Rex, Geno and Travis. It's just perfect and I doubt somebody would be mad with this

Don't mean to rain of Geno's parade or anything, but does the long-time request necessarily have to be third-party? The main draw is the popularity, so hypothetically long-time request first-party would work fine too. Not to say you can't want a third-party for that, just want to clarify.

 

[Trevenant]

Don't mean to rain of Geno's parade or anything, but does the long-time request necessarily have to be third-party? The main draw is the popularity, so hypothetically long-time request first-party would work fine too. Not to say you can't want a third-party for that, just want to clarify.

I assume it's probably because Geno is kind of the next in line. It was always Ridley, King K Rool, Banjo and Kazooie and Geno being the most popular. There are others but they never quite equated those for so I assume it's that.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Aside from Imran Khan's rumors, do we have any other evidence to corroborate this assumption? I just want to know whether I should stop caring about Nintendo now and move on to other games/systems or if I should hold onto any hope for a decent pass.

D'OH!!! I quoted the wrong post when I said that! My bad! ><

smelling krool's crack

Hey! What Isaac does in the privacy of his own home is his own business! It's 2020, man! #LoveIsLove

 

[SharkLord]

I assume it's probably because Geno is kind of the next in line. It was always Ridley, King K Rool, Banjo and Kazooie and Geno being the most popular. There are others but they never quite equated those for so I assume it's that.

I suppose that's fair. I'd raise an argument for Isaac too, but this is the Geno thread, therefore Geno is the most popular character for most people here and the niche he's given would be tailored fit him best.

 

[Noipoi]

YOu do know that SW/SH has had a spirited event too?

It doesn’t matter.

Snom’s in.

 

[Trevenant]

I suppose that's fair. I'd raise an argument for Isaac too, but this is the Geno thread, therefore Geno is the most popular character for most people here and the niche he's given would fit him best.

Yeah Isaac is definitely up there and he would be the 5th just to round out the heavily demanded characters who pretty much had their demand keeping them in contention as the largest factor who people just like to shoot down for the same wildfire spread reasons.

 

[Deleted member]

I assume it's probably because Geno is kind of the next in line. It was always Ridley, King K Rool, Banjo and Kazooie and Geno being the most popular. There are others but they never quite equated those for so I assume it's that.

I would agree. I can’t help but to feel Geno would be the Banjo of this Fighters Pass because of his history with the Smash fanbase. He’s been requested since Melee in that Japanese poll. His popularity exploded during the Brawl days being high in Sakurai’s poll. Sakurai mentioned that him and his team kept getting more votes and requests to put him in the game resulting a Mii costume in Smash 4. And of course, there’s Smash Ultimate. I feel that there would be Isaac, Waluigi, Bomberman, Dixie, Lloyd, and maybe Sora as longtime fan favorites. By the time we hit Smash 6, Rayman, Bandana Dee, Shovel Knight, and Shantae may reach that category.

 

[Vector Victor]

I don't think anyone's arguing that. One of the theories that we've worked with since last year is that Nintendo seems to have an order to things when it comes to Smash DLC. First they start with themselves then companies they've already worked with and then new companies. Characters that have broken this pattern have been promotional characters.

Smash 4: Mewtwo (TPC), Lucas (HAL/Ape), Roy (Intelligent Systems), Ryu (Capcom USA), Cloud (Square Enix), Corrin (promotional, Intelligent Systems), Bayonetta (SEGA/Platinum)

Ultimate Fighter's Pass: Plant (Nintendo), Joker (SEGA/Atlus), Hero (Square/Armor Project), Banjo (Microsoft/RARE), Terry (SNK), Byleth (Intelligent Systems/Tecmo)

Ultimate Season 2: Min Min (Nintendo)

We've talked about it for almost a year now but the speculation groundwork for Season 2 has been packs representing the following companies thanks to Power of Six theory: Nintendo, Square, Namco, Capcom, and Microsoft. This theory also supports that at least one of the six will be totally brand new company wise. This honestly makes sense because Smash 4's DLC totally new company to Smash was Square and the Fighter's Pass's was SNK (RARE content technically goes back to the original). Because of this groundwork, it's been expected for a long time that 7 would most likely be Capcom, Namco, or Square since they all premiered in Smash 4. Ever since last November, honestly, the evidence has pointed pretty strongly to Square being 7 and has gotten stronger with time.

It was more directed at the idea that first party picks would be dull or unhype for the pass. 3rd parties are nice (we got Banjo-Kazooie!) but I would like Nintendo to also use their own franchises (except FE and Pokemon for now) as well and not default to 3rd party when adding characters, thinking that they would only be the ones that get people excited. There are still so many popular long time fan favorites from Nintendo that can and honestly SHOULD have been in Smash already.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

I don’t have extreme empathy with Travis, prefer another sword fighter like Dante or Ryu Haybusa

Another Pokemon? Boring, let another Nintendo IP shine like Rhythm Heaven, Chibi Robo or Golden Sun

Rex? I loved Xenoblade 2 but would prefer Elma or Kos-Mos if they can get her rights. They would complement better with Shulk. That would have more variety as there is already a swordsman (Travis or whatever it gets)

Crash is ok

Geno? I admit I’not a great fan but I understand his insane popularity in western smash circles so I would be happen for them. Plus, there are few fighters with an arm cannon. (only 4, Megaman, Samus, Dark Samus and Mii Gunner)

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I think the problem is that, knowing Nintendo, the first party DLC picks would not be fan favorites but promotional picks, and nobody likes a pass full of shills (granted, I wouldn't call Min Min a shill, but you get the point).