Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[QQS]

This is us: The Tribe. Mostly when something important towards Geno inclusion happens.

Let’s get this show on the road! Geno will awake (be revealed) very soon. Sakurai acknowledges, SquareEnix knows, Nintendo knows. It has been proved a lot of times that Fan Demand works. Also, we have like 50 reasons to believe why Geno gonna be playable now. Not only speculation, even facts: like Missing Costume, Songs copyrighted, Mods taken down, other fan favorited already playable, and mostly, Min Min who was a base-spirit, upgraded.

This is it. September is when Geno joins the Battle! In the Mario’s Party.

 

[Deleted member]

"Jibanyan should be the rep because another Pokemon-esque rep would be cool in Smash"

I know that's para-phrasing, but you do know Pokemon didn't invent monster collecting RPGs, right?

 

[Honest Slug]

For a variety of reasons, I was quite busy in 2019 and didn't have much time to sit down with video games, only one I really played through was Luigi's Mansion 3.

In retrospect, this was probably a blessing this year, since during this barren wasteland of a year, I've been going through Crafted World, Mario Maker 2, A Hat in Time, Link's Awakening, and even more stuff. It certainly has helped make the wait a bit more bearable.

 

[Icewolff92]

I'll mention here too that I think the Jeuxvideo leak is suspect. They would get the rights to Dante and Sora just to costume them? Instead, our playable fighters are from smaller franchises? And every character mentioned outside of the CP6 info is popular in speculation. Not a single wild card in sight, when we know Nintendo does those all the time, even if just for the Mii costumes. Additionally, it's unlikely that someone know the next three characters so far in advance.

I feel like the leaker knew CP6 info, leaked it, and went on to make it seem like some of the biggest characters in speculation will get costumed. Only to then state that we'll get the characters they, presumably, like. Especially since there's a healthy amount of overlap between Phoenix and Layton fans, both series being popular on the DS and all.

And I don´t see the impossibility of Dante being a Mii Costume and Phoenix is in the game (or vice versa). Dante ain´t Sora in terms of "demand" and work they would need to get him.

 

[MattOnwheels]

More like what all trolls strive for lol!

More like what some people don't want to accept is actually happening due to a misguided sense of brand loyalty.

i'm going on a tangent here, but I saw a tweet that sums it up:

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It is SHOCKING how true this is becoming. People need to realize this "Nintendo doesn't owe us anything" nonsense is not only wrong and GROSSLY inaccurate on a historical level, but also harmful to the consumers themselves. You know what happens when a video game company isn't held in contempt for their actions enough? You get this:

Do you like your mainline Mario games being consistently high quality with mostly fluid controls and (Usually) little to no jank? Well, keep demanding it and be willing to hold Nintendo responsible when they **** up like we did with the WII U. The more fans are allowed to be convinced that less and less effort is okay, the less you will receive quality service in response to what you want.

Furthermore, those that say it is unreasonable to expect Nintendo to conduct themselves better while the world's in the state it's in should really look at what their competitors have done and realize that it's not a matter of what you CAN'T do, it's a matter of doing what you CAN do, It would take someone like me a grand total of FIVE MINUTES to record a basic-ass YouTube video saying "We here at Nintendo have heard the response to the lack of news regarding upcoming games in the last few weeks and would like to extend our apologies to our fans around the world for our lack of transparency at this time, In response to your feedback, we are discontinuing the partner showcase format going forward and will be returning to the traditional Nintendo Direct format. While this will mean updates may come more slowly, our goal is to provide you with information on as many Nintendo projects we can and be consistent in our delivery of updates going forward. We hope to provide you with at least one substantial update video by the end of the next month, with others to follow. We thank you for your patience as we struggle to adjust in this trying time, and we apologize for the inconveniences we have placed upon our fans. We look forward to earning back your trust in the future."

....Yeah, maybe it wouldn't even have to say that, with those exact conditions, but can you imagine if Nintendo actually came out and said "Yeah, we're **** right now and we're sorry for it. We're gonna fix it."? No corporate fluff, no smiles, just "We ****ed up. Our bad." - The amount of good will restored would be immaculately better than what they're doing now.

Sadly though, we aren't going to get that because "TEH COMPANEH!!" has to look like it knows what it's DOING rather than address what's actually happening,

 

[super88cloud]

More like what some people don't want to accept is actually happening due to a misguided sense of brand loyalty.

i'm going on a tangent here, but I saw a tweet that sums it up:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

It is SHOCKING how true this is becoming. People need to realize this "Nintendo doesn't owe us anything" nonsense is not only wrong and GROSSLY inaccurate on a historical level, but also harmful to the consumers themselves. You know what happens when a video game company isn't held in contempt for their actions enough? You get this:

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Do you like your mainline Mario games being consistently high quality with mostly fluid controls and (Usually) little to no jank? Well, keep demanding it and be willing to hold Nintendo responsible when they **** up like we did with the WII U. The more fans are allowed to be convinced that less and less effort is okay, the less you will receive quality service in response to what you want.

Furthermore, those that say it is unreasonable to expect Nintendo to conduct themselves better while the world's in the state it's in should really look at what their competitors have done and realize that it's not a matter of what you CAN'T do, it's a matter of doing what you CAN do, It would take someone like me a grand total of FIVE MINUTES to record a basic-ass YouTube video saying "We here at Nintendo have heard the response to the lack of news regarding upcoming games in the last few weeks and would like to extend our apologies to our fans around the world for our lack of transparency at this time, In response to your feedback, we are discontinuing the partner showcase format going forward and will be returning to the traditional Nintendo Direct format. While this will mean updates may come more slowly, our goal is to provide you with information on as many Nintendo projects we can and be consistent in our delivery of updates going forward. We hope to provide you with at least one substantial update video by the end of the next month, with others to follow. We thank you for your patience as we struggle to adjust in this trying time, and we apologize for the inconveniences we have placed upon our fans. We look forward to earning back your trust in the future."

....Yeah, maybe it wouldn't even have to say that, with those exact conditions, but can you imagine if Nintendo actually came out and said "Yeah, we're **** right now and we're sorry for it. We're gonna fix it."? No corporate fluff, no smiles, just "We ****ed up. Our bad." - The amount of good will restored would be immaculately better than what they're doing now.

Sadly though, we aren't going to get that because "TEH COMPANEH!!" has to look like it knows what it's DOING rather than address what's actually happening,

People really seem to forget that the Wii U failed because Nintendo didn´t have nobody in it´s side. The wii alienated it´s core or loyal consumers, the casual audience had long left for mobile phones, the name was ****, the marketing was even worse and it had a slow DRIP and DROP release schedule. the whole point of releasing a portable/home console was to focus it´s development into one machine.
We´ve got ;

demon x machina original Not developed by nintendo
tetris99
Yoshi crafted world
astral chain original not developed by ...
luigi´s mansion sequel
ring fit original
zelda remake
pokemon sequel not developed by...
fire emblem sequel not developed....
mario maker sequel

FE Tokyo remaster, not developed by...
Clubhouse
pokemon mystery dungeon
xenoblade remaster not developed by
animal crossing sequel
paper mario original/sequel ( not the same system as the previous ones)
pikmin. remaster

So we got one single original ip in the last two years, that´s developed by Nintendo. A lot of second party games remasters, or sequels.
Where the f... are the games?
Metroid is stuck in development hell. Bayo 3 is missing in action.
Zelda 2
2020 has been even slower than 2019, which a lot of people criticized.
2020 nintendo is given a break because of the pandemic, and that´s understandable. But an announcement isn´t hard to do. I´m not mad... yet. I guessed that September was gonna be the month of a direct because
a) One whole year after the other direct seemed alright considering the situation
b) Nintendo likes to have on smash announcement with their directs.
c) Things are usually back to normal in september and it´s just before the holidays.

But if we get no announcements for more than six months, there´s something very wrong with Nintendo.

 

[MattOnwheels]

People really seem to forget that the Wii U failed because Nintendo didn´t have nobody in it´s side. The wii alienated it´s core or loyal consumers, the casual audience had long left for mobile phones, the name was ****, the marketing was even worse and it had a slow DRIP and DROP release schedule. the whole point of releasing a portable/home console was to focus it´s development into one machine.
We´ve got ;

demon x machina original Not developed by nintendo
tetris99
Yoshi crafted world
astral chain original not developed by ...
luigi´s mansion sequel
ring fit original
zelda remake
pokemon sequel not developed by...
fire emblem sequel not developed....
mario maker sequel

FE Tokyo remaster, not developed by...
Clubhouse
pokemon mystery dungeon
xenoblade remaster not developed by
animal crossing sequel
paper mario original/sequel ( not the same system as the previous ones)
pikmin. remaster

So we got one single original ip in the last two years, that´s developed by Nintendo. A lot of second party games remasters, or sequels.
Where the f... are the games?
Metroid is stuck in development hell. Bayo 3 is missing in action.
Zelda 2
2020 has been even slower than 2019, which a lot of people criticized.
2020 nintendo is given a break because of the pandemic, and that´s understandable. But an announcement isn´t hard to do. I´m not mad... yet. I guessed that September was gonna be the month of a direct because
a) One whole year after the other direct seemed alright considering the situation
b) Nintendo likes to have on smash announcement with their directs.
c) Things are usually back to normal in september and it´s just before the holidays.

But if we get no announcements for more than six months, there´s something very wrong with Nintendo.

The worst part is, even if we took BOTH the main arguments for why we should be forgiving of the situation at face value - That is to say, if we believe BOTH Covid AND the leaks are what have caused this situation...GUESS WHAT? THAT'S STILL INCREDIBLY INEPT BUSINESS! If they allowed themselves to be THIS drastically unprepared for any sort of crisis, they have absolutely no one to blame but themselves. The very idea that Nintendo should be treated special and somehow don't need to be held to the same standards as any other company operating at the moment is a shaky notion at best and incredibly biased at worst.

This IS the market right now. It's not shut down and none of the other companies are waiting for things to go "Back to normal." Like it or not, this is what normal looks like until further notice and Nintendo has completely failed to adapt to it.

 

[StrangeKitten]

And I don´t see the impossibility of Dante being a Mii Costume and Phoenix is in the game (or vice versa). Dante ain´t Sora in terms of "demand" and work they would need to get him.

I never said it was flat-out impossible, sorry if I came off that way. It just seems unlikely to me. The only kinda big character who has a Mii costume without a playable fighter from that franchise is Heihachi, which is a returning costume from 4. So yeah, I'm personally pretty doubtful they'd costume Dante when not only would he bring a lot of hype content as a playable character, he'd also satisfy casual and hardcore fans alike, and is loaded with moveset potential.

And so I don't come off as unfair to Phoenix, I think he would bring a lot of hype content and satisfy casual and hardcore fans too. He pales in moveset potential, since I don't think they'd want to be too similar to Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, but I'm sure something could be worked out since we've gotten movesets out of less.

 

[MattOnwheels]

This is us: The Tribe. Mostly when something important towards Geno inclusion happens.

Let’s get this show on the road! Geno will awake (be revealed) very soon. Sakurai acknowledges, SquareEnix knows, Nintendo knows. It has been proved a lot of times that Fan Demand works. Also, we have like 50 reasons to believe why Geno gonna be playable now. Not only speculation, even facts: like Missing Costume, Songs copyrighted, Mods taken down, other fan favorited already playable, and mostly, Min Min who was a base-spirit, upgraded.

This is it. September is when Geno joins the Battle! In the Mario’s Party.

Man, I know what you're trying to do...but it's not a safe approach.

What's more, Tribalism is bad.

 

[Griselda]

Man, I know what you're trying to do...but it's not a safe approach.

What's more, Tribalism is bad.

Geno Tribe Best Tribe.

On a more serious note - and this is important - you don't have to look at everything with such politically-minded eyes. QQS is a beacon of optimism in this thread, and if you think he was implying anything harmful or dangerous by that wording, then you're thinking about it way too hard. Considering the actual statement, it was clearly just meant to represent Geno's fanbase coming together to share their excitement whenever things are looking up for us.

 

[MattOnwheels]

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Geno Tribe Best Tribe.

On a more serious note - and this is important - you don't have to look at everything with such politically-minded eyes. QQS is a beacon of optimism in this thread, and if you think he was implying anything harmful or dangerous by that wording, then you're thinking about it way too hard. Considering the actual statement, it was clearly just meant to represent Geno's fanbase coming together to share their excitement whenever things are looking up for us.

I stated what I did because he assumes that September is the target. If he had said "Relax guys, Geno is in this game, I believe that" I'd have no issue,

As far as being political goes, It ties into everything even if one doesn't want to admit it. That said, My policy has always been that people are free to disagree or even challenge my views, but I will not shy away from saying them. I want Geno in the game as much as anyone, but if he gets in, it won;t be because we merely waited patiently. It'll be because we raised our voices. Granted it doesn't matter now, but I won't let that stop me from being skeptical. Even if I AM assuming he's in the game right now, im not trusting Nintendo until I see Geno in a trailer.

And Yes: Tribalism, is, BAD. That doesn't mean we as Geno fans cannot have unity in the face of diversity, however. It's just important to remember the risk involved. Me, at present I think there's plenty of reason NOT to be hyped right now and throw most of what we thought we knew out the window, because that's clearly what's happening at Nintendo.

 

[Griselda]

I stated what I did because he assumes that September is the target. If he had said "Relax guys, Geno is in this game, I believe that" I'd have no issue,

As far as being political goes, It ties into everything even if one doesn't want to admit it. That said, My policy has always been that people are free to disagree or even challenge my views, but I will not shy away from saying them. I want Geno in the game as much as anyone, but if he gets in, it won;t be because we merely waited patiently. It'll be because we raised our voices. Granted it doesn't matter now, but I won't let that stop me from being skeptical. Even if I AM assuming he's in the game right now, im not trusting Nintendo until I see Geno in a trailer.

And Yes: Tribalism, is, BAD. That doesn't mean we as Geno fans cannot have unity in the face of diversity, however. It's just important to remember the risk involved. Me, at present I think there's plenty of reason NOT to be hyped right now and throw most of what we thought we knew out the window, because that's clearly what's happening at Nintendo.

If he wants to believe that Geno is coming in September, then he has every right to. And if Geno doesn't come in September? ...That's it. Nothing else happens. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, as odd as that might sound. Especially when we're talking about a character coming to a video game. You shouldn't have an issue with any prediction anyone here makes, because there's no point in trying to control people's thoughts about Smash DLC. You're more than free to keep your expectations low, and so is anyone else. In this same way, anyone is also free to keep their expectations high. These are mostly adults, here, and to be completely honest - any minors we have among us are also well within their right to feel however they want regarding their own expectations and hopes.

On the second point: not only do I disagree that everything is inherently based in politics, I also have to point out that the Geno thread is not meant for discussing politics. It's for discussing Geno, the game he came from, and anything else related to him as a character and which ultimately ties back into discussion about his chances as a DLC character in Smash. We aren't here to talk about tribalism, or socialism, or consumerism. Even the whole topic of Nintendo's lack of consistent news isn't for the sake of questioning their integrity as a company, it's simply observing that they have not been putting out much information - such as DLC characters in Smash. Like Geno.

 

[super88cloud]

I stated what I did because he assumes that September is the target. If he had said "Relax guys, Geno is in this game, I believe that" I'd have no issue,

As far as being political goes, It ties into everything even if one doesn't want to admit it. That said, My policy has always been that people are free to disagree or even challenge my views, but I will not shy away from saying them. I want Geno in the game as much as anyone, but if he gets in, it won;t be because we merely waited patiently. It'll be because we raised our voices. Granted it doesn't matter now, but I won't let that stop me from being skeptical. Even if I AM assuming he's in the game right now, im not trusting Nintendo until I see Geno in a trailer.

And Yes: Tribalism, is, BAD. That doesn't mean we as Geno fans cannot have unity in the face of diversity, however. It's just important to remember the risk involved. Me, at present I think there's plenty of reason NOT to be hyped right now and throw most of what we thought we knew out the window, because that's clearly what's happening at Nintendo.

Eeeh,QQS is alwaYs doing his weird thing. Leave him alone. He's like one of those guys on the street that's shouting with a megaphone.
He's a hypeman. Pure and simple. No speculation. Or agrees with nintendo. He's just hyping.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Eeeh,QQS is alwaYs doing his weird thing. Leave him alone. He's like one of those guys on the street that's shouting with a megaphone.
He's a hypeman. Pure and simple. No speculation. Or agrees with nintendo. He's just hyping.

If he wants to believe that Geno is coming in September, then he has every right to. And if Geno doesn't come in September? ...That's it. Nothing else happens. There's nothing wrong with being wrong, as odd as that might sound. Especially when we're talking about a character coming to a video game. You shouldn't have an issue with any prediction anyone here makes, because there's no point in trying to control people's thoughts about Smash DLC. You're more than free to keep your expectations low, and so is anyone else. In this same way, anyone is also free to keep their expectations high. These are mostly adults, here, and to be completely honest - any minors we have among us are also well within their right to feel however they want regarding their own expectations and hopes.

On the second point: not only do I disagree that everything is inherently based in politics, I also have to point out that the Geno thread is not meant for discussing politics. It's for discussing Geno, the game he came from, and anything else related to him as a character and which ultimately ties back into discussion about his chances as a DLC character in Smash. We aren't here to talk about tribalism, or socialism, or consumerism. Even the whole topic of Nintendo's lack of consistent news isn't for the sake of questioning their integrity as a company, it's simply observing that they have not been putting out much information - such as DLC characters in Smash. Like Geno.

Guys, Its not that big a deal. I don't have an issue with him that really matters. If he wants to hype he's welcome to. It just isn't wise right now in my opinion. I can express that and he can still do it.

My political takes will continue however and there is nothing wrong with that as long as it relates to what we discuss.

 

[StrangeKitten]

M MattOnwheels Are you new here? QQS makes bold, very optimistic posts about Geno getting in Smash like three times a day lol. It's his thing, and while I'm not as optimistic as he is, they're always a fun, uplifting read. I don't think they're meant to be taken super seriously, they're just some fun hype that all of us are aware might not pan out

 

[Icewolff92]

I never said it was flat-out impossible, sorry if I came off that way. It just seems unlikely to me. The only kinda big character who has a Mii costume without a playable fighter from that franchise is Heihachi, which is a returning costume from 4. So yeah, I'm personally pretty doubtful they'd costume Dante when not only would he bring a lot of hype content as a playable character, he'd also satisfy casual and hardcore fans alike, and is loaded with moveset potential.

And so I don't come off as unfair to Phoenix, I think he would bring a lot of hype content and satisfy casual and hardcore fans too. He pales in moveset potential, since I don't think they'd want to be too similar to Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, but I'm sure something could be worked out since we've gotten movesets out of less.

Coming from someone that is indifferent about both, I don´t really see how it's unlikely. We have gotten Heihaci (yes I know he was a Mii costume in Smash4) but also Rabbids, a Fallout costume, and an Assasins Creed costume. There are also arguments to be made that both Sans and the Cuphead costumes are a big deal (especially the former) considering how much of a worldwide phenomenon both of the games ended up as. Especially the former.

Could it end up and being so that Dante is playable, and Pheonix is MII? Of course, it is. But with Pheonix's popularity and his roots with Nintendo, I don´t see how he is unlikely. I dare even say it's 50/50 between them.

 

[MattOnwheels]

M MattOnwheels Are you new here? QQS makes bold, very optimistic posts about Geno getting in Smash like three times a day lol. It's his thing, and while I'm not as optimistic as he is, they're always a fun, uplifting read. I don't think they're meant to be taken super seriously, they're just some fun hype that all of us are aware might not pan out

I direct you to the post I made. He can do as he wants.

It seems people have forgotten MY Optimism already, as if I havent contributed anything.

Edit: And I mean, CHRIST, people! If my saying the slightest little critique to QQS is anything to get this mad over, maybe it speaks more to the reasoning behind my own anger?! I have been an avid supporter of Geno and I generally love QQS's posts, so calm down, please!

 

[StrangeKitten]

Coming from someone that is indifferent about both, I don´t really see how it's unlikely. We have gotten Heihaci (yes I know he was a Mii costume in Smash4) but also Rabbids, a Fallout costume, and an Assasins Creed costume. There are also arguments to be made that both Sans and the Cuphead costumes are a big deal (especially the former) considering how much of a worldwide phenomenon both of the games ended up as. Especially the former.

Could it end up and being so that Dante is playable, and Pheonix is MII? Of course, it is. But with Pheonix's popularity and his roots with Nintendo, I don´t see how he is unlikely. I dare even say it's 50/50 between them.

I never said Phoenix is unlikely. He's a very likely character. I said Dante getting Mii costumed is unlikely, in my opinion. I can see how my post may have read that way, but I just wanted to clarify that a lot of the things going in Dante's favor, are also things that can be said about Phoenix. Both are popular characters who would add a lot as playable fighters

I direct you to the post I made. He can do as he wants.

It seems people have forgotten MY Optimism already, as if I havent contributed anything.

Edit: And I mean, CHRIST, people! If my saying the slightest little critique to QQS is anything to get this mad over, maybe it speaks more to the reasoning behind my own anger?! I have been an avid supporter of Geno and I generally love QQS's posts, so calm down, please!

I wasn't mad at you. I'm sorry if I came off that way. My memory for forum posts isn't the best, and it seemed odd to me that someone would react to QQS's posts in such a way if they weren't new. Sorry, friend

 

[MattOnwheels]

A lot of things are in Dante's favor indeed. I still think he's very likely.

 

[Giveaway412]

Would rather the Geno thread had Geno fans talking about Geno than 14 year olds LARPing as Bolsheviks.

Anyway, since the 28th fell through, what's the raincheck look like regarding September? I'm starting to think that there won't be a Direct anytime soon and we'll just be getting twitter shadowtrops and partner showcases for the foreseeable future. However, given that Amiibo theory hasn't failed us yet, and we're due Amiibos in September, I think it's likely that they'll announce a "Mr. Sakurai Presents" via twitter a few days before it happens. I'm probably grasping at straws here but I think Geno would be well-suited to not be announced in a Direct. The general public doesn't really know him but long-time smash fans and hardcore Nintendo fans do, and they'd be exactly the kind of people to tune into a Sakurai Presents announced via twitter.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Would rather the Geno thread had Geno fans talking about Geno than 14 year olds LARPing as Bolsheviks.

Excuse me? A 14 year old, am i?

ID rather you not be a jerk, please. I have posted nothing wrong.

 

[Trevenant]

Would rather the Geno thread had Geno fans talking about Geno than 14 year olds LARPing as Bolsheviks.

Anyway, since the 28th fell through, what's the raincheck look like regarding September? I'm starting to think that there won't be a Direct anytime soon and we'll just be getting twitter shadowtrops and partner showcases for the foreseeable future. However, given that Amiibo theory hasn't failed us yet, and we're due Amiibos in September, I think it's likely that they'll announce a "Mr. Sakurai Presents" via twitter a few days before it happens. I'm probably grasping at straws here but I think Geno would be well-suited to not be announced in a Direct. The general public doesn't really know him but long-time smash fans and hardcore Nintendo fans do, and they'd be exactly the kind of people to tune into a Sakurai Presents announced via twitter.

We did have that ad that usually gives us an idea on character releases which has no characters on it even though Min Min has been out for nearly 3 months. There could be no character on it because they are accounting for Min Min and the next character meaning that they would probably be revealed in the next 2 weeks as I believe that's when they always get replaced. That's it for Smash.

 

[StrangeKitten]

Anyway, since the 28th fell through, what's the raincheck look like regarding September? I'm starting to think that there won't be a Direct anytime soon and we'll just be getting twitter shadowtrops and partner showcases for the foreseeable future. However, given that Amiibo theory hasn't failed us yet, and we're due Amiibos in September, I think it's likely that they'll announce a "Mr. Sakurai Presents" via twitter a few days before it happens. I'm probably grasping at straws here but I think Geno would be well-suited to not be announced in a Direct. The general public doesn't really know him but long-time smash fans and hardcore Nintendo fans do, and they'd be exactly the kind of people to tune into a Sakurai Presents announced via twitter.

My current expectations are partner showcases probably monthly, Twitter announcement for a holiday title of some sort, and a Sakurai presents in either September or October. Oh, and we'll need an update or two on the Sword and Shield DLC, probably announced on Twitter

 

[MattOnwheels]

Nintendo has shown they are sticking to the partner format. I wouldn't expect a general in September.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

I direct you to the post I made. He can do as he wants.

It seems people have forgotten MY Optimism already, as if I havent contributed anything.

Edit: And I mean, CHRIST, people! If my saying the slightest little critique to QQS is anything to get this mad over, maybe it speaks more to the reasoning behind my own anger?! I have been an avid supporter of Geno and I generally love QQS's posts, so calm down, please!

Nobody’s angry man, they were just defending QQS. The guy wasn’t trying incur tribalism, he was just comparing the thread to a funny screencap from Pokemon and calling us “the tribe”. It was never that serious.

You’re an alright dude and I personally don’t have any beef with you, but just cool it with the political messages. The Geno thread is not the launching ground for that sort of stuff, it’s a thread about a video game puppet being added to Smash bros.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Nobody’s angry man, they were just defending QQS. The guy wasn’t trying incur tribalism, he was just comparing the thread to a funny screencap from Pokemon and calling us “the tribe”. It was never that serious.

You’re an alright dude and I personally don’t have any beef with you, but just cool it with the political messages. The Geno thread is not the launching ground for that sort of stuff, it’s a thread about a video game puppet being added to Smash bros.

He doesnt NEED defending! I barely even said anything! x.x Defend him from what? Me respectfully suggesting he hold his horses? Why is that a bad thing?

Edit: And the tribe thing wasnt that big a deal, though I think the response kinda proves the point oddly enough. Still, its no big deal!

 

[Giveaway412]

We did have that ad that usually gives us an idea on character releases which has no characters on it even though Min Min has been out for nearly 3 months. There could be no character on it because they are accounting for Min Min and the next character meaning that they would probably be revealed in the next 2 weeks as I believe that's when they always get replaced. That's it for Smash.

Thanks, I had forgotten about that. The 7/11 ads generally haven't failed as either and I hope that means we're due for some news.

My current expectations are partner showcases probably monthly, Twitter announcement for a holiday title of some sort, and a Sakurai presents in either September or October. Oh, and we'll need an update or two on the Sword and Shield DLC, probably announced on Twitter

I'd say those are pretty reasonable expectations. Hoping that holiday title is the Mario 3D collection. If those rumors weren't true, I'm gonna feel real stupid for selling my Mario 3D World copy for Wii U.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

In regards to the earlier discussion about holding the company accountable, what I think is significant about Nintendo to a lot of hardcore fans right now is that the drought and general non-communication lacks any sort mitigating factor that could ease some of the frustration in some way.

Basically, there have always been various flaws in previous Nintendo consoles. Third parties weren't necessarily a big thing on the N64, Gamecube, & Wii; the unique media format of the previous two consoles created unique problems, and the latter's reliance on waggle for various games could be a pain. However they also all had genuinely good elements that helped make them worthwhile. Party games, especially of the 4 player variety were spectacular on those systems, and they had some of the most definitive couch multiplayer experiences ever. Various mid-level franchises also flourished with the Mario spin-offs really coming into their own in that period.

And having a handheld system for further games helped. GBC/GBA/DS, all helped provided further opportunities for first and third party games to make for some interesting games during the time period where the home consoles' place in the market was weaker. Even during the Wii-U era, the 3DS was still putting out solid games consistently, to the point where even a fan that was disappointed by the former's output had a system that could more relied on for great releases.

The Switch itself has certainly had its weaknesses, even from the beginning. The lack of virtual console or any marketplace for getting digital version of older Nintendo games has been a disappointment, the online is still shoddy for numerous reasons, the lack of good QOL for the menus/home screens is utterly baffling, and the proverbial Switch tax for ports (however understandable) is still irritating. However the first years of the console still had enough strong titles, and more importantly the promise of really great games to come to relieve some of the discontent about that. That latter point I'd argue has been a core element of the hype, that various franchises would really get their time in the sun on this best selling console.

Now that we've reached 2020 and things have slowed down with no real idea or clue as to what and more precisely when things are coming, the various flaws of the Switch that so many of us were willing to overlook before become all the more glaring. Without a stream of news or a reminder of the supposed games supposedly on their way, I suspect a lot of the various issues people have had are coming to the surface and boiling over to general discussion about it. As someone who has been disappointed by the death/hibernation of various mid-level Nintendo franchises in general, I myself have grown less faithful in the idea that they're due to come back any time soon even with the financial windfall the company's experienced.

Essentially if there ever was an extended honeymoon period for the system, 2020 has effectively killed it and left a lot of fans with a console experience that simply doesn't feel like its living up to what it could be.

 

[Vector Victor]

Watch the irony occur when people decide not to listen to potential Direct rumors after being burned several times and then this month has the Direct.

I think 7 will get more scrutiny over who it is when they are revealed only because people now anticipate that it will be a long time before they show who is number 8. Expect 'We waited this long for THIS!?' to be a very common response going forward. God have mercy on character 11's fanbase.

 

[Giveaway412]

Watch the irony occur when people decide not to listen to potential Direct rumors after being burned several times and then this month has the Direct.

I think 7 will get more scrutiny over who it is when they are revealed only because people now anticipate that it will be a long time before they show who is number 8. Expect 'We waited this long for THIS!?' to be a very common response going forward. God have mercy on character 11's fanbase.

If not expecting a Direct is all it takes for us to get one, then I'm more than willing to make that sacrifice, lol.

Character 11 will be interesting to see considering that Smash is known for "disappointing" finishes. I mean, anything would be disappointing to the fanbases that hype themselves to the moon and back, but I doubt very many people were honestly hoping the Smash Ultimate pre-release cycle would end on Incineroar.

 

[Vector Victor]

In regards to the earlier discussion about holding the company accountable, what I think is significant about Nintendo to a lot of hardcore fans right now is that the drought and general non-communication lacks any sort mitigating factor that could ease some of the frustration in some way.

Basically, there have always been various flaws in previous Nintendo consoles. Third parties weren't necessarily a big thing on the N64, Gamecube, & Wii; the unique media format of the previous two consoles created unique problems, and the latter's reliance on waggle for various games could be a pain. However they also all had genuinely good elements that helped make them worthwhile. Party games, especially of the 4 player variety were spectacular on those systems, and they had some of the most definitive couch multiplayer experiences ever. Various mid-level franchises also flourished with the Mario spin-offs really coming into their own in that period.

And having a handheld system for further games helped. GBC/GBA/DS, all helped provided further opportunities for first and third party games to make for some interesting games during the time period where the home consoles' place in the market was weaker. Even during the Wii-U era, the 3DS was still consistently putting out solid games consistently, to the point where even a fan that was disappointed by the former's output had a system that could more relied on for great releases.

The Switch itself has certainly had its weaknesses, even from the beginning. The lack of virtual console or any marketplace for getting digital version of older Nintendo games has been a disappointment, the online is still shoddy for numerous reasons, the lack of good QOL for the menus/home screens is utterly baffling, and the proverbial Switch tax for ports (however understandable) is still irritating. However the first years of the console still had enough strong titles, and more importantly the promise of really great games to come to relieve some of the discontent about that. That latter point I'd argue has been a core element of the hype, that various franchises would really get their time in the sun on this best selling console.

Now that we've reached 2020 and things have slowed down with no real idea or clue as to what and more precisely when things are coming, the various flaws of the Switch that so many of us were willing to overlook before become all the more glaring. Without a stream of news or a reminder of the supposed games supposedly on their way, I suspect a lot of the various issues people have had are coming to the surface and boiling over to general discussion about it. As someone who has been disappointed by the death/hibernation of various mid-level Nintendo franchises in general, I myself have grown less faithful in the idea that they're due to come back any time soon even with the financial windfall the company's experienced.

Essentially if there ever was an extended honeymoon period for the system, 2020 has effectively killed it and left a lot of fans with a console experience that simply doesn't feel like its living up to what it could be.

And to sum up why people are pissed at partner showcases or mini Directs despite being news:

You are dying of thirst and desperately need something to drink. Someone comes to you. You see the vague outline of water bottles stuffed in their bag. You aren't sure that they 100% have water, but you hear a merchant yell out that the person forgot their change when they bought many bottles of water. They decide to help you, open their bag and give you.....an orange. Yes, its something that helps and could potentially contribute to removing your thirst a bit, but its not want you really need to solve your problem. You notice they have water on them and ask but they ignore you and instead now give you an apple. You ask for the water instead which at this point you see is literally causing their bag to burst. And then a passerby sees this and calls the thirsty person entitled and spoiled.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

In some rather interesting news, a recent interview with Tanabe (https://nintendoeverything.com/pape...es-will-continue-to-move-away-from-rpg-roots/) contained this excerpt:

“When developing Paper Mario: Sticker Star, one of our goals was to move away a bit from the traditional RPG style. Nintendo has another RPG series starring Mario and we wanted to distance ourselves from it by making an adventure game with a focus on solving puzzles.”

Controversial statements aside, Tanabe mentioned “another RPG series starring Mario”, which is most likely the Mario & Luigi series. Now obviously he could be talking about them in retrospect, but a part of me feels like Tanabe just inadvertently confirmed the Mario and Luigi series is still alive somehow.

What do you guys think? Mario RPGs have been through a lot recently so I’m hoping this idea turns out to be correct, this spinoff series could use some overall positive news.

 

[MattX20]

The final day of August has come, and all likelihood of at least a Sakurai Presents video goes up in probability going forward. Just hopefully, we'll get something soon

 

[Let Geno Smash]

In some rather interesting news, a recent interview with Tanabe (https://nintendoeverything.com/pape...es-will-continue-to-move-away-from-rpg-roots/) contained this excerpt:

“When developing Paper Mario: Sticker Star, one of our goals was to move away a bit from the traditional RPG style. Nintendo has another RPG series starring Mario and we wanted to distance ourselves from it by making an adventure game with a focus on solving puzzles.”

Controversial statements aside, Tanabe mentioned “another RPG series starring Mario”, which is most likely the Mario & Luigi series. Now obviously he could be talking about them in retrospect, but a part of me feels like Tanabe just inadvertently confirmed the Mario and Luigi series is still alive somehow.

What do you guys think? Mario RPGs have been through a lot recently so I’m hoping this idea turns out to be correct, this spinoff series could use some overall positive news.

Literally for Pure RPG games Mario & Luigi is our only hope, I really wish we could get one even I doubt it will be soon

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I'm personally still holding out hope that we'll get a general Direct soon (or at least a meaty Direct Mini like the one from March), especially since Mario's 35th anniversary is coming up and I don't see Nintendo passing it by without some sort of big blowout of multiple announcements... but I also don't blame anyone who thinks that Nintendo has essentially killed off the Direct format, then decided to necromance it back as the shambling corpse we call the Partner Showcase.

 

[Icewolff92]

I never said Phoenix is unlikely. He's a very likely character. I said Dante getting Mii costumed is unlikely, in my opinion. I can see how my post may have read that way, but I just wanted to clarify that a lot of the things going in Dante's favor, are also things that can be said about Phoenix. Both are popular characters who would add a lot as playable fighters

And I don´t see how Dante as a Mii Costume is unlikely concidering what costumes we have gotten. Granted, the only character I truly think is safe from "Mii Costume territory" is Sora concidering Disney (and no I´m not a Sora supporter.) but that's a different topic for another time.

We did have that ad that usually gives us an idea on character releases which has no characters on it even though Min Min has been out for nearly 3 months. There could be no character on it because they are accounting for Min Min and the next character meaning that they would probably be revealed in the next 2 weeks as I believe that's when they always get replaced

Honestly, at this point... I´m starting to believe "Detective Pikachu".

https://twitter.com/Newmarkomaro/status/1279813465574604802

"Yeah...relax about that...don't expect next character until late in the year even if they can announce it before summer is finished."

The summer is finished and yet we have heard nothing. I wouldn´t be surprised if we won´t get news about Fighter 7 in October (or dare I even say November?), and I highly doubt we are getting fighter 8 this year at this point.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

There is a sad irony that a company like Nintendo that seems very willing to not rush games until they're truly ready for release didn't simply work with Alphadreams for a long period to ease them into HD development and have them create a M&L game that probably could have been out by now. Of all the occasions to quickly put out game remakes in a short amount of time, they chose ones that both nobody wanted and during a console's life that few would be interested in buying.

 

[Trevenant]

I'm personally still holding out hope that we'll get a general Direct soon (or at least a meaty Direct Mini like the one from March), especially since Mario's 35th anniversary is coming up and I don't see Nintendo passing it by without some sort of big blowout of multiple announcements... but I also don't blame anyone who thinks that Nintendo has essentially killed off the Direct format, then decided to necromance it back as the shambling corpse we call the Partner Showcase.

While it definitely seems like a long shot that we get one soon, I don't think they have killed them off entirely, at least for now. I don't really know how else they would drop info if they did ditch directs.

And I don´t see how Dante as a Mii Costume is unlikely concidering what costumes we have gotten. Granted, the only character I truly think is safe from "Mii Costume territory" is Sora concidering Disney (and no I´m not a Sora supporter.) but that's a different topic for another time.



Honestly, at this point... I´m starting to believe "Detective Pikachu".

https://twitter.com/Newmarkomaro/status/1279813465574604802

"Yeah...relax about that...don't expect next character until late in the year even if they can announce it before summer is finished."

The summer is finished and yet we have heard nothing. I wouldn´t be surprised if we won´t get news about Fighter 7 in October (or dare I even say November?), and I highly doubt we are getting fighter 8 this year at this point.

Honestly, I wouldn't believe him just because he has gotten so much wrong. He posted a picture of Leon Kennedy holding a rocket launcher back in November and said final smash which implies playable yet all we apparently got from Resi was a few spirits a few months after.

I don't really know how fake Twitter leakers keep up a sad role p!aying charade if they are actually fully grown people with things to do. Either way im sure Markomaro and the porn girl are obvious BSers just seems they have way too much time on their hands

 

[Firox]

And to sum up why people are pissed at partner showcases or mini Directs despite being news:

You are dying of thirst and desperately need something to drink. Someone comes to you. You see the vague outline of water bottles stuffed in their bag. You aren't sure that they 100% have water, but you hear a merchant yell out that the person forgot their change when they bought many bottles of water. They decide to help you, open their bag and give you.....an orange. Yes, its something that helps and could potentially contribute to removing your thirst a bit, but its not want you really need to solve your problem. You notice they have water on them and ask but they ignore you and instead now give you an apple. You ask for the water instead which at this point you see is literally causing their bag to burst. And then a passerby sees this and calls the thirsty person entitled and spoiled.

lol So true. Also, your analogy reminds me of the Family Guy skit where Peter is stranded in the middle of the desert, dying of thirst when he sees a beverage vending machine. He runs to it screaming, "I'm saved! I'm saved!"....and then he sees it....the logo at the top of the machine....RC COLA! "Noooooooooo!"

The summer is finished and yet we have heard nothing. I wouldn´t be surprised if we won´t get news about Fighter 7 in October (or dare I even say November?), and I highly doubt we are getting fighter 8 this year at this point.

I'm still holding out for a reveal in September. If we get fighter 7 in September, then I think we still have a really good chance of getting fighter 8 before the end of the year.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's funny how this thread has slowed down to a screeching halt after that last partner dkirect.

Because there's nothing new to talk about. It's so slow right now that I even went over my old notes to see if I overlooked anything. Only thing of potential interest is that I heard vague Luigi's Mansion stuff a long time ago (back in the winter so like January/February) and basically forgot because not a lot has come up to support it aside from the Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits still being missing now 10 months after LM3's release. If it has any sort of merit it's probably just a port of the original and/or Dark Moon because 3 did absurdly well and Nintendo milking Luigi wouldn't surprise me at all (have fun with that sentence).