Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Fatmanonice]

I feel like as Geno fans we're in a really good spot. We essentially have the backing of Imran Khan, Andre Seger, Jon Cartwright, and Jeff Grubb when it comes to the big "public" insiders and beyond that, a lot of "covert" insiders have been publicly showing support too. On the topic of covert insiders, these are people who know things but really can't publicly express it without jeopardizing their jobs. The ones this thread is most familiar with is Nintendo ambassadors and it's kind of an unspoken rule to not blast them. It's a thing I keep watch over and I've personally seen quite a few of these covert insiders support Geno since probably last October or so. Public and private, I'd argue that the argument for most of the summer is that not only is Geno likely but likely one of the next ones to be shown.

One question I've seen people ask is why people tease things if information is sensitive and could get them in a lot of trouble if made public. Honestly, it's a psychological thing. Keeping secrets is literally a mental strain and can cause a lot of stress. The more a secret is applicable to other people, the harder it is to keep and they've done studies on this. This is a big reason why leaks happen in the first place. It's a release valve. Doing things like teasing or sharing information with trusted confidants helps alleviate the stress and makes it less likely that the person blasts it out to the world just so they can stop stressing out about it. My mom's side of the family is largely military and one of my uncle's once joked is that there's probably fishing buddies out there that know nuclear launch codes better than their wives' birthdays. It's a very human thing and these past two years have kind of been an in-depth study on the psychology of secret keeping.

 

[Enigma735]

I've thought long and hard about this decision for a little while now. I have decided that I am going to be taking a break from this thread for a little while until we get some exciting news, or at the very least, until someone starts to tease at who CP7 is. I just feel like their isn't much to talk about while we are awaiting that Nintendo Direct so I thought this was a reasonable decision. I will still be here every now and then just to see what is going on here, but I will just be lurking in the shadows for a little bit. All I will say is that I hope this Nintendo Direct will grant our wish that all of us have been hoping for for 20+ years. Geno hasn't looked this likely in such a long time so I'm still hoping for him! [Also, this is actually my 777th comment. What a coincidence].

See you all when we get more news!

 

[Sigran101]

If you can, with lack of a better term, upskirt a character in the game the CERO rating in Japan immediately jumps up. Something Nintendo wants to avoid. Thus, Tifa, 2B, and Mai are all likely in the same boat.

Surely you're not suggesting that any character who wears a skirt is too nsfw for smash. We had tons of trophies with skirts in 4.

 

[ForsakenM]

Please don't hate me for asking a question like this on this board, but are there any Square characters that you guys would accept if they made it in over Geno? Now, I really want Geno for all of you guys, and I really loved SMRPG, so I mean no ill will by asking.

For me, Neku Sakuraba from The World Ends with You ticks all the boxes for a Square character I want in Smash. History with Nintendo? Check. (Original game and the remastered Final Remix are both Nintendo exclusives.) Amazing soundtrack? Check. Unique aesthetics? Check. (Seriously, if you haven't seen the game or know anything about it, just Google the title and go to Images.) And it looks like they want to continue the series, at least in the form of the Final Remix sort of lead up as well as the anime they're releasing next year. (Though I think the anime is just a retelling of the first one.)

I personally and selfishly want Neku over Geno, but overall I hope Geno makes it in as it's been a long time coming and there are clearly some incredibly dedicated fans here and in the Smash community in general.

Nope, no such thing exists in my bubble, and that's with Sora in my Top 5 personal list.

See, there are a couple of characters I would like. Most of them are obscure and have no chance to get into Smash (Mono from Magic Pengel: Quest For Color, any base class from Dokapon Kingdom, Flippy or a Flunky from ToonTown Online) and the rest (Waluigi, Spyro, Sora, Goemon - these are my four most wanted after Geno) are so far removed from how much I want Geno that him getting in and none of the rest doing so is completely fine.

Tidus would be cool, but we already got the best choice in Cloud. FF doesn't need another rep.

I've played some other Square games, but I'm not fond of any other characters, and KH3 ruined Sora's hype for me.

So, it's either Geno or nothing.

 

[okamifire]

Nope, no such thing exists in my bubble, and that's with Sora in my Top 5 personal list.

See, there are a couple of characters I would like. Most of them are obscure and have no chance to get into Smash (Mono from Magic Pengel: Quest For Color, any base class from Dokapon Kingdom, Flippy or a Flunky from ToonTown Online) and the rest (Waluigi, Spyro, Sora, Goemon - these are my four most wanted after Geno) are so far removed from how much I want Geno that him getting in and none of the rest doing so is completely fine.

Tidus would be cool, but we already got the best choice in Cloud. FF doesn't need another rep.

I've played some other Square games, but I'm not fond of any other characters, and KH3 ruined Sora's hype for me.

So, it's either Geno or nothing.

That makes sense! I've played and liked the KH3 games, but the plot direction makes it easily too convoluted and too easy to dislike Sora, so I get it. (I'd still like Sora though.)

I agree that Cloud is the best FF pick as well.

While TWEWY for me is my favorite Square series, I'm definitely rooting for Geno as he's been the underdog pick for basically, well, ever. If there is an August Direct, hopefully we find out one was or another!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Surely you're not suggesting that any character who wears a skirt is too nsfw for smash. We had tons of trophies with skirts in 4.

I am 100% suggesting that is the case.

The only trophy character I remember having a skirt was Wonder-Pink and she was explicitly censored in Japan.

CERO and Palutena’s Censorship

Source Gaming investigates the alterations made to everyone’s favorite goddess– Palutena.

sourcegaming.info

I’m not saying it’s impossible to work around I’m just saying it is something to keep in mind.

Edit:

Sakurai: One of the first things they say in overseas ratings reviews is “no guns”—that I can understand. But in Japan, they immediately ask “could you show us all the female characters upside-down?”

 

[Sigran101]

I am 100% suggesting that is the case.

The only trophy character I remember having a skirt was Wonder-Pink and she was explicitly censored in Japan.

CERO and Palutena’s Censorship

Source Gaming investigates the alterations made to everyone’s favorite goddess– Palutena.

sourcegaming.info

I’m not saying it’s impossible to work around I’m just saying it is something to keep in mind.

Edit:

We have lots of characters with dresses too. They just put nothing underneath. I know this because I watched the huge long stream of smash 3DS when a copy broke street date and the dumbass spent half the time looking up skirt/dress on all the character trophies instead of unlocking and showcasing characters.. Shouldn't be a problem.

 

[OnyanRings]

Man, Geno speculation is wild.

 

[Firox]

So I saw this and wanted to add just a little of my own two cents as well:

Crono: Eh. I don't think we really need Crono after we just got Hero. Both are Akira Toriyama-designed swordfighters and I highly doubt Crono would even remotely come close to the levels of uniqueness we got with Hero to make him stand out. I'd be fine with it, but I wouldn't feel anything if Crono got included.

Agreed.

Lara Croft: Lara is easily one of the most deserving characters of getting included seeing as how she is easily the most iconic female video game character right next to Samus, but I have no personal attachment to Tomb Raider so if Lara were to get revealed, I would just say "oh cool" and nothing else.

While I agree that Lara is pretty iconic, I don't feel that "ordinary human with a gun" makes for a very interesting character and frankly I think Sakurai would feel the same.

Neku: The World Ends With You has the history with Nintendo, but I personally feel Neku sounds boring honestly. I never really played TWEWY, but I have seen gameplay and fan-made movesets for Neku and most of his attacks are just punches and uppercuts. Sure, we've got Min Min who also only punches in her game, but the arm switching gimmick is unique in its own right that it helps make her stand out besides being "punchy ramen girl".

I'll confess, I have never played TWEWY so I have no knowledge or attachment to Neku.

2B: I don't personally think 2B deserves to get included out of any Square character. She has no history with Nintendo and Smash is for good boys and girls. Of course, they can tone her down, but I mean, just look at her a$$.

I don't know if you've ever played Nier Automata, but regardless of Nintendo's history with it, I could see 2B having a very cool and unique fighting style due to her wide array of weapons (katana, heavy sword, levitating punching gloves, spears, support drones with missles/lasers, etc.). While I definitely would rather have Geno, I could see her getting in if Sakurai chooses to go that route. As for her a$$, it's fairly well hidden under that skirt, but even if it wasn't I would only see it as a plus. I mean, who WOULDN'T want a perfectly sculpted booty on their favorite fighter?

Sephiroth: I would only want Sephiroth IF he comes with One Winged Angel as a track, in which case I feel he would be a bit better to throw in as a deluxe Mii Outfit that brings along that song. I think Final Fantasy deserves more representation, but I don't think it needs another character, especially not before other third-party franchises like Sonic or Mega Man. I think we should simply get a FF Spirit Event if Sakurai is looking to add more Final Fantasy content.
Gex: I actually wouldn't mind Gex and he would be a unique retro-throwback character that no one would really see coming. I doubt it will happen, but I think he would be a rather interesting character.

While I agree that Sephiroth would be a long shot, I think he's the only other Square rep besides Geno that would make me absolutely lose my ****. I know people give him crap for the whole "anime swordsman" thing, but the sheer dopeness factor of being able to have Cloud vs Sephiroth in Smash is just too juicy not to love.

Sora: I used to support Sora for Smash, but lately I feel nothing for the character. Sora would probably be my second choice for a Square rep after Geno simply for the wow factor, but I never touched a Kingdom Hearts game to personally get hyped for the character. I would just be extremely happy for the fans and it would just seem so surreal for Disney to get content in Smash, even though I doubt it will happen.

Sora is just a teeny tad behind Geno and Sephiroth for me, but I would still be super hyped to have him in Smash (as long as Geno comes too). His moveset could be diverse enough to set him apart from other swordies though I'm honestly not sure how good his chances are. The fan support is definitely there but we'll have to wait and see if Disney's ownership proves too daunting to overcome.

In short, I would actually be okay with other Square characters. I just simply want Geno more then any of these guys, given the history I and many others have went through to get him included.

Same.

 

[YsDisciple]

35 years after the fated Nintendo Direct of 2020

Grandchild: Grandad, can you tell me a story?
Grandpappy Chadicus Jenkins: puts down smoking pipe and mobile phone on desk C'mere young'un. Let me tell you of a wonderful tale from my youth. Tis was the year 2020; a very trying year for mankind. There was much fear, confusion, and a growing invisible divide among all. Many sought for peace in many ways; as for me, your grandpappy took to video games. At that time, there was a glorious game of which many awaited news with bated breath. That game was Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. A glorious game that was considered by many if not all, the materialization of a video game Hall of Fame. Although the game had already been out for about two years or so, but additional content was underway. It was a rough year, and it seemed to be more so for good ol' Nintendo. Heh, many thought that they had blown all their strength the year before, but boy were we wrong. Nearing the end of August 2020, Nintendo rose up again with a Nintendo Direct of unprecedented proportions. None of us was ready for what they were about to show. Revivals of beloved classic franchises that many had thought to be lost to the annals of time; more Super Mario love than one could take in a life time, and the wish that was over twenty years in the making finally came true. Geno had finally made it to Smash. But that wasn't all. The week after that Direct aired, something incredible begun to happen. As if by some supernatural prophecy had foretold, the entire World began to experience "healing". The virus that by then had plagued the Earth began to wane; the number of infections plummeted. The markets began to stabilize once again. Jobs across the world experienced a steady and healthy growth. The people finally received enlightenment and good judgment led to great leaders being selected to lead the prosperous countries of today. Technology advanced at a faster pace, solving many of mankind's problems at the time. Scientists and Environmentalists had found a way to revert the damage of the Ozone layer, and throughout the years managed to patch it up, now it being almost entirely sealed. It was truly a glorious year despite its initial shortcomings.
Grandchild: Wow Grandad, that's awesome! I wish I were there.
Grandpappy Chadicus Jenkins: a manly tear sheds down Grandpappy Chadicus Jenkins' right cheek Aye young'un. Aye.

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's kind of funny that Nintendo's original plan for E3 2020 was just to have a kickass presentation that likely would have "won" E3 but now it's almost morphing into a literal symbol of hope in the middle of a global pandemic and depression. The fact that Geno's likely going to be a part of that really is something else.

 

[Firox]

35 years after the fated Nintendo Direct of 2020

Grandchild: Grandad, can you tell me a story?
Grandpappy Chadicus Jenkins: puts down smoking pipe and mobile phone on desk C'mere young'un. Let me tell you of a wonderful tale from my youth. Tis was the year 2020; a very trying year for mankind. There was much fear, confusion, and a growing invisible divide among all. Many sought for peace in many ways; as for me, your grandpappy took to video games. At that time, there was a glorious game of which many awaited news with bated breath. That game was Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. A glorious game that was considered by many if not all, the materialization of a video game Hall of Fame. Although the game had already been out for about two years or so, but additional content was underway. It was a rough year, and it seemed to be more so for good ol' Nintendo. Heh, many thought that they had blown all their strength the year before, but boy were we wrong. Nearing the end of August 2020, Nintendo rose up again with a Nintendo Direct of unprecedented proportions. None of us was ready for what they were about to show. Revivals of beloved classic franchises that many had thought to be lost to the annals of time; more Super Mario love than one could take in a life time, and the wish that was over twenty years in the making finally came true. Geno had finally made it to Smash. But that wasn't all. The week after that Direct aired, something incredible begun to happen. As if by some supernatural prophecy had foretold, the entire World began to experience "healing". The virus that by then had plagued the Earth began to wane; the number of infections plummeted. The markets began to stabilize once again. Jobs across the world experienced a steady and healthy growth. The people finally received enlightenment and good judgment led to great leaders being selected to lead the prosperous countries of today. Technology advanced at a faster pace, solving many of mankind's problems at the time. Scientists and Environmentalists had found a way to revert the damage of the Ozone layer, and throughout the years managed to patch it up, now it being almost entirely sealed. It was truly a glorious year despite its initial shortcomings.
Grandchild: Wow Grandad, that's awesome! I wish I were there.
Grandpappy Chadicus Jenkins: a manly tear sheds down Grandpappy Chadicus Jenkins' right cheek Aye young'un. Aye.

This needs to be actual history. It NEEDS to be.

 

[MattX20]

It's kind of funny that Nintendo's original plan for E3 2020 was just to have a kickass presentation that likely would have "won" E3 but now it's almost morphing into a literal symbol of hope in the middle of a global pandemic and depression. The fact that Geno's likely going to be a part of that really is something else.

If the Direct is at least on par with the E3 2019 direct, it'll probably satiate a lot of people's hunger for a while

 

[Awkwah]

Guess I need to add a Geno hat to this bald head of mine to get on the official hype train publicly

 

[Dekunk]

Someone in this thread mentioned how the 3 biggest post Ultimate launch Switch games that haven’t gotten spirit events were all Mario series games(Mario Maker 2, Paper Mario, and Luigi’s Mansion).
Makes me think that Sakurai and Nintendo’s planning some sort of in-game event for Mario’s 35th; spirit events, tournaments, and a fighter.

 

[Awkwah]

Someone in this thread mentioned how the 3 biggest post Ultimate launch Switch games that haven’t gotten spirit events were all Mario series games(Mario Maker 2, Paper Mario, and Luigi’s Mansion).
Makes me think that Sakurai and Nintendo’s planning some sort of in-game event for Mario’s 35th; spirit events, tournaments, and a fighter.

So we are thinking based on that

checks notes

Waluigi
Geno
Paper Mario
A ghost who is a King
or Birdo?

 

[a random user]

Someone in this thread mentioned how the 3 biggest post Ultimate launch Switch games that haven’t gotten spirit events were all Mario series games(Mario Maker 2, Paper Mario, and Luigi’s Mansion).
Makes me think that Sakurai and Nintendo’s planning some sort of in-game event for Mario’s 35th; spirit events, tournaments, and a fighter.

for Mario maker there isn't much they could add, builder mario is already a spirit, and we have most of the common enemies, outside of that, the "big" new additions were things like slopes, and world maker.
paper mario, and luigis mansion are different though they have plenty of new bosses, and a few side characters, that could be added

 

[StarLight42]

Fatmanonice I ask this as a genuine fan, not even from a speculation perspective

Does Waluigi still have a good shot for this DLC cycle? I feel like a lot of us Wah fans got hard burned by the DLC 5 and 6 conundrums, and since then, things have became increasingly blurred

That said; i’m not sure I can entertain bonus characters yet, what trips me up is this interview

There are only 5 more DLC fighters! After they have been released, the continuous Smash development from Smash for 3DS/Wii U will finally come to an end. The team is already underway developing the remaining characters, and will continue doing their best working from home. pic.twitter.com/Q9wkqEKeIo

— Robert Sephazon (@Sephazon) July 15, 2020

(not sure how actually accurate this translation is, btw. I trust PushDustin a lot more than this guy.)

but that being said, let’s say this is so the most accurate translation possible and Sakurai is quite literally saying there are only 5 characters left. Adding bonus characters would be a direct contradiction to that. And I know it’s not impossible for Sakurai to contradict himself, I just don’t find it terribly likely.

and honestly, why can’t Waluigi be part of the pass? People say that he would struggle to have an approrpriate stage and spirits, but I disagree to be frank. They’re already starting to bend the rules with how fighter packs are constructed with Min Min (and i’m sure Geno will extend it even further). To give Waluigi his own pack just requires the Smash team to get a little creative, which i’m sure they will if they REALLY want Waluigi in the game, which is a demand Nintendo can absolutely make whether Sakurai agrees with it or not.

Some suggest he would be the very last character (Fighter 11), but really, that’s about as laughable as suggesting Geno will be the last character. It doesn’t align with rumor timing at all and I still stand by that Smash Ultimate will never finish strong, it’s a bad financial decision when you think about it. They want the “hype” characters to be earlier in the cycle. The last character is the one that will have the smallest effect upon sales and overall mood. It’s no mistake that they ended on characters like Incineroar and Byleth.

I see a lot of discussion about other rumored characters like Chief and Dante on this thread, so I thought it would be fine to ask about Waluigi a little bit. But feel free to redirect me to the Wah thread or hit me up in DMs if mods somehow aren’t ok with that (despite allowing stuff like Chief conversations which I don’t really get)

 

[MattX20]

Guess I need to add a Geno hat to this bald head of mine to get on the official hype train publicly

Here you go

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Please don't hate me for asking a question like this on this board, but are there any Square characters that you guys would accept if they made it in over Geno? Now, I really want Geno for all of you guys, and I really loved SMRPG, so I mean no ill will by asking.

For me, Neku Sakuraba from The World Ends with You ticks all the boxes for a Square character I want in Smash. History with Nintendo? Check. (Original game and the remastered Final Remix are both Nintendo exclusives.) Amazing soundtrack? Check. Unique aesthetics? Check. (Seriously, if you haven't seen the game or know anything about it, just Google the title and go to Images.) And it looks like they want to continue the series, at least in the form of the Final Remix sort of lead up as well as the anime they're releasing next year. (Though I think the anime is just a retelling of the first one.)

I personally and selfishly want Neku over Geno, but overall I hope Geno makes it in as it's been a long time coming and there are clearly some incredibly dedicated fans here and in the Smash community in general.

I mean, I would accept any character since I'd have no other choice...but if we're talking about if there's anyone from Square I'd be happier to see than Geno.

I guess the only Square character I can think of that would personally make me more excited than Geno would probably be 2B, just on a personal level. Though even then I'd say Geno is pretty close to her.

I'd be fine with Lara Croft because she's an iconic videogame character, though I wouldn't say I want her more than Geno.

Pretty much any other Square character I'd feel kinda disappointed if they got in over Geno. (Sora, Neku, Sephiroth, Chrono etc)

Unless we got a Life is Strange rep (probably Max Caulfield), but that would be like a weird mix of happiness, interest and utter confusion.

 

[Awkwah]

View attachment 282873 Here you go

Fits nicely

 

[MattX20]

PapaGenos Discord did a recent ballot for who people think are likely/who they want the most for the second Fighter Pass. The results are as follows

 

[Fatmanonice]

If the Direct is at least on par with the E3 2019 direct, it'll probably satiate a lot of people's hunger for a while

I said it on my profile I think in June but it's basically shaping up to be the E3 2010 presentation on steroids. That presentation had announcements for almost every major franchise, a ton of dead franchise revivals, and even new hardware. E3 2020 is basically that PLUS Smash and several borderline unbelievable third party/indie collabs if things play out accordingly. I feel like Nintendo waiting until 2020 to do a good number of these things was definitely deliberate as most companies have been hard flexing with new content all year.

 

[AdamBel731]

Its been a while since I posted some Geno fanart in here, so here you Genobros go!

 

[Trevenant]

Someone in this thread mentioned how the 3 biggest post Ultimate launch Switch games that haven’t gotten spirit events were all Mario series games(Mario Maker 2, Paper Mario, and Luigi’s Mansion).
Makes me think that Sakurai and Nintendo’s planning some sort of in-game event for Mario’s 35th; spirit events, tournaments, and a fighter.

That would have been me. You could also include Crafted Word but the way those series are handled is confusing to say the least. If it suggests anything it probably means they are holding them off to release with a Mario character. I'm not sure it does though. Paper Mario just hasn't been given enough time. Come September or October, it will probably have one.

 

[Fatmanonice]

StarLight42 To avoid making a massive post, I'm going to refer to some of my past posts and add some commentary:

From November:

Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

It's definitely the former and kind of why "Jesus, not everything is tied to Smash..." has become a meme among insiders. People will hear things and then months later they'll hear about it being tied to Smash but still two separate things. For example, Dante. Dante was first heard in the early...

smashboards.com

From January:

Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

Would they put the fighter pass on sale next week if they plan to show the first character at E3? That would be crazy, teasing a purchase that we have no idea who's on it that far out. Nope, with the pass coming out next week and they admitted that character 6 is done, I believe we will find...

smashboards.com

A New Wah-volution!: NEW Waluigi Support Thread

Honestly, I think SSF2 has the perfect Waluigi moveset. Has enough references to the Sports and Party games as well as original moves that make sense and fit the character.

smashboards.com

One of my friends has casually joked for ages that Waluigi died for our sins at E3 2018 and will rise again on the third E3 of 2020 and now I kind of believe it unironically.

 

[Firox]

I said it on my profile I think in June but it's basically shaping up to be the E3 2010 presentation on steroids. That presentation had announcements for almost every major franchise, a ton of dead franchise revivals, and even new hardware. E3 2020 is basically that PLUS Smash and several borderline unbelievable third party/indie collabs if things play out accordingly. I feel like Nintendo waiting until 2020 to do a good number of these things was definitely deliberate as most companies have been hard flexing with new content all year.

OK, honest question here:

Nintendo has been a total dumpster fire pretty much all year up until this point. What, if any, evidence do you have to base your expectations off of? Don't get me wrong, I would be ECSTATIC if things pan out as good as you say, but frankly almost none of your "just wait, this is gonna be awesome" assertions have come to fruition in quite some time. Couple this with Nintendo's seemingly bone-dry line-up for the remainder of the year and a virtually nonexistent showing for pseudo-E3, I still don't see how they're going to pull some sort of hype-gasm apocalypse out of their butt all the sudden. If you have any legitimately solid leads, I'd genuinely love to hear them.

 

[Heoj]

PapaGenos Discord did a recent ballot for who people think are likely/who they want the most for the second Fighter Pass. The results are as follows

Dang, we did pretty good, i didnt even hear about this

 

[Fatmanonice]

OK, honest question here:

Nintendo has been a total dumpster fire pretty much all year up until this point. What, if any, evidence do you have to base your expectations off of? Don't get me wrong, I would be ECSTATIC if things pan out as good as you say, but frankly almost none of your "just wait, this is gonna be awesome" assertions have come to fruition in quite some time. Couple this with Nintendo's seemingly bone-dry line-up for the remainder of the year and a virtually nonexistent showing for pseudo-E3, I still don't see how they're going to pull some sort of hype-gasm apocalypse out of their butt all the sudden. If you have any legitimately solid leads, I'd genuinely love to hear them.

I would say that the name of the game is patience and a lot of it isn't public or has been explicitly told not to make public. I've sprinkled some very, very vague hints since last fall on a number of things but it's one of those things that if I specifically point out which posts then I'm giving them away. It's a catch 22: I don't like hoarding information but I don't want to spoil things either for certain announcements where the evidence is pretty damning. One thing I will say is that I'm willing to talk to people in private about particular questions but I can't just sit and list everything publicly. I don't want to endanger people and I also don't want to be "That Guy" that spoils major announcements. This is why I'm very public about my Smash predictions, because nobody has flat out told me my characters are happening. Things like the dead franchises, like Golden Sun like several people have now made public, are things I've either been told not to spoil or I have personally decided that spoiling them would be in bad taste.

 

[ForsakenM]

OK, honest question here:

Nintendo has been a total dumpster fire pretty much all year up until this point. What, if any, evidence do you have to base your expectations off of? Don't get me wrong, I would be ECSTATIC if things pan out as good as you say, but frankly almost none of your "just wait, this is gonna be awesome" assertions have come to fruition in quite some time. Couple this with Nintendo's seemingly bone-dry line-up for the remainder of the year and a virtually nonexistent showing for pseudo-E3, I still don't see how they're going to pull some sort of hype-gasm apocalypse out of their butt all the sudden. If you have any legitimately solid leads, I'd genuinely love to hear them.

This is pessimism bias my friend.

Because things haven't been great with recent Nintendo information, you assume the same for the coming Direct.

The evidence suggests differently: not only did E3 and EVO get canned, but Covid slowed things down all around the world and working from home has certain efficiency issues.

It's much more likely that Nintendo had something big in store but things get all jumbled up and they needed time to streamline everything while also trying to give us some info while also dealing with deadlines and many business factors we never think about.

 

[Peeton]

PapaGenos Discord did a recent ballot for who people think are likely/who they want the most for the second Fighter Pass. The results are as follows

Man, why do people use the order of the sword logo for Dante? It was LITERALLY the evil organization in DMC4. I suggest using either of these for the series Icon instead.

 

[a random user]

slightly unrelated, but for those watching the amiibo to see what ones still needing to be reprinted as hints for upcoming games, a bunch of Zelda ones are being reprinted for Candance of highrule

Cadence of Hyrule physical release, return of Zelda amiibo up on Nintendo UK store

The Nintendo UK store updated today with a number of Zelda-related items. First up is the physical release for Cadence of Hyrule, available to pre-order here. It launches on October 23. Also now available to pre-order are a slew of returning Zelda amiibo. You can reserve figures from Breath of...

nintendoeverything.com

 

[Fatmanonice]

Firox As a continuation, here's some of the "Big Stuff" that has gone public:

-Mario Remasters
-Zelda Remasters
-2D Metroid
-DK revival
-RARE Replay/MCC on Switch
-Persona on Switch
-Golden Sun
-Fire Emblem 6/7 remake
-Wario Land
-Mario Kart 9/F-Zero/new racing game

Honestly, more than half this list has a pretty decent shot of showing up in the next Direct and that's not even counting things like Smash.

 

[Let Geno Smash]

PapaGenos Discord did a recent ballot for who people think are likely/who they want the most for the second Fighter Pass. The results are as follows

Curious, I vote Lloyd as the most likely and Geno as my most wanted the two things I don't understand is
1) Why is Shantae the 9th most likely?
-I understand Geno for the amount of evidence
-Dante and Rayman for weird words/moves of their developers and HUGE moveset potential
-Crash and Steve because how Iconic they are
-Rex, Paper Mario, Travis and a Pokemon Rep for SHILL
-DoomSlayer for the CacoMallow
-Hayabusa for Dozen of Tecmo and Nintendo proyects like Hyrule Warriors
-Sora for his fan demand
-Lloyd because as Geno he isn't a mii
-Reimu because how big Tohou is, ZUN want she in, Moveset potential, Her rights would easy to get and the fact that Tohou inspired a lot of people (Even Toby Fox) so it could be a good 1st Indie Rep (Steve, Reimu, Quote and SK would be the better IMO)
Sorry Shantae fans but I don't think she has a shot of being In
2) How is Isaac 6th and Waluigi 13th? It don't make sense

 

[SharkLord]

Curious, I vote Lloyd as the most likely and Geno as my most wanted the two things I don't understand is
1) Why is Shantae the 9th most likely?
-I understand Geno for the amount of evidence
-Dante and Rayman for weird words/moves of their developers and HUGE moveset potential
-Crash and Steve because how Iconic they are
-Rex, Paper Mario, Travis and a Pokemon Rep for SHILL
-DoomSlayer for the CacoMallow
-Hayabusa for Dozen of Tecmo and Nintendo proyects like Hyrule Warriors
-Sora for his fan demand
-Lloyd because as Geno he isn't a mii
-Reimu because how big Tohou is, ZUN want she in, Moveset potential, Her rights would easy to get and the fact that Tohou inspired a lot of people (Even Toby Fox) so it could be a good 1st Indie Rep (Steve, Reimu, Quote and SK would be the better IMO)
Sorry Shantae fans but I don't think she has a shot of being In
2) How is Isaac 6th and Waluigi 13th? It don't make sense

Well, it's a fan poll based around a certain guy. It's more than likely going to be slanted in favor of whoever he talks about often, the circles of fans who watch his videos, and the people who actually see the poll. It's like the really big poll a while back, where Heavy's votes almost doubled because someone posted the poll on the TF2 subreddit at the last second. Fan polls organized by a single guy tend to have some biases, be it intentional or not.

 

[Firox]

This is pessimism bias my friend.

It's really not though. I'm being completely honest when I say that my expectations are based on PRECEDENT, not my own personal feelings. For example, correct me if I'm wrong, but despite this year being Mario's 35th anniversary, Nintendo has said absolutely NOTHING about its celebration beyond maybe a tweet or two. That's it. Now then, if I was a company and wanted to make a massive deal out of my mascot's anniversary, don't you think it would have been wiser to start the fanfare in JANUARY and not AUGUST/SEPTEMBER? And if they were simply "saving up" for a Mario extravaganza, then why release the new Paper Mario by itself instead of with all the other Mario content? We factually have no indicators that E3 is going to happen in full force 3 months after it would have. The reason why I'm asking Fatman for any kind of assurance is because I WANT to believe him. I WANT to be blown away by this next Direct, but don't want to end up eating **** and then being told, "oh, NEXT month we're getting the big one." It's exhausting and I'm frankly tired of being jerked around. I mean, statistically Nintendo will have to stop disappointing us EVENTUALLY but to expect a huge Direct blowout without evidence is just pure optimism bias.

 

[xpnc]

2) How is Isaac 6th and Waluigi 13th? It don't make sense

Probably because he's a better character

 

[Let Geno Smash]

Probably because he's a better character

TBH I would ratter have Isaac 1000000 more times that Waluigi but I find it odd because both are Huge Fan Demanded, Camelot Owned AT promotions

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Probably because he's a better character

hmm why is the protagonist of a series not represented with a playable character yet higher than a character who just recently became super popular by process of elimination?

Isaac has always been more popular this shouldn’t be a surprise

 

[Firox]

hmm why is the protagonist of a series not represented with a playable character yet higher than a character who just recently became super popular by process of elimination?

Isaac has always been more popular this shouldn’t be a surprise

You silly goose with your nuggets of truth.