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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Firox

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I am a firm believer that when Nintendo was negotiating for Hero, that is when they decided to negotiate for Geno for FP2. It makes sense seeing how the evidence and strange hints in favor of Geno started cropping up right after Hero was revealed. Seeing how Final Fantasy And Dragon Quest already have reps, I don't see why Sakurai, Nintendo Or Square would turn down Geno at this point, especially since they all know how popular of a request Geno is.
Exactly. I strongly believe that there are absolutely no obstacles left for Geno beside Nintendo and SE simply pulling the trigger. All they have to do is say "yes" at this point. This is why FP#2 is so crucial. It will tell us once and for all where the two companies stand. If Geno gets in, it will confirm the theory that SE just wanted their flagships in first. If he doesn't, then it means one of the two (or both) simply doesn't care enough about him or his fan base to put him in. Fortunately, examples like Banjo and Min Min suggest that fan demand may be Geno's trump card in the end.
 
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That's why I brought up FF15 since that is also composed by Yoko, yet only got 2 tracks in Tekken. I dunno if Yoko owns the music though, but she uses them regularly at her concerts and Square in general seems pretty weird with OST rights.


As far as I can tell, its at least true for the Noctis collaboration in Tekken and 2B collaboration in Soul Calibur. I don't really know enough about the DLC practices of each game, so maybe that's just the norm for those.
2B appears to not actually have a second track in SCVI, where each character only gets one to begin with.

However, the Noctis one is still worth noting because it’s abnormal in the opposite direction: The other DLC characters with stages get one song each. Noctis is the only one to get two.
 
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I don't think Geno and Lloyd's Mii Costumes are going to return since they're likely getting upgraded to full character status
I know I was super optimistic about Lloyd/Tales of chances the other day with Heihachi gone and the costume missing still. But now that I think about it, I would have to lower my predictions about Lloyd's chances. If Namco/Nintendo could delay Heihachi's mii costume to ARMS, there is nothing really indicating that they can't just do the exact same for Lloyd and release him with an unrelated character. Nowadays mii costume packs make 0 literal sense, and if they want to go within slight expectations then Lloyd could just come with another swordfighter and there are plenty of swordfighters to choose from too.

Besides unlike Heihachi who is the clear face of the franchise, Lloyd has much more competition (though I do think that he has the best shot). So while I was 70% sure of Tales making it in like 2 days ago, now I'll put them in the same position as Geno and state that the chances are closer to 50-60%. That said, it's possible for Lloyd to be a fighter and a mii costume at the same time too.
 

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Exactly. I strongly believe that there are absolutely no obstacles left for Geno beside Nintendo and SE simply pulling the trigger. All they have to do is say "yes" at this point. This is why FP#2 is so crucial. It was tell us once and for all where the two companies stand. If Geno gets in, it will confirm the theory that SE just wanted their flagships in first. If he doesn't, then it means one of the two (or both) simply doesn't care enough about him or his fan base to put him in. Fortunately, examples like Banjo and Min Min suggest that fan demand may be Geno's trump card in the end.
I wouldn´t use Min Min in the same category as Banjo concidering Arms if fairly new, and Min Min were essentially a request from the creator. Banjo, on the other hand, is essentially a dead franchise that most likely won´t ever get another installment unless Rare licensing out, or sells the IP to Nintendo or Playtonic games.
 

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No. This goes out to @RetrogamerMax because you've asked several times too but the reason I don't really talk on this topic here because I was literally told by two mods to not bring it up because a number of people took that much offense to the rumor. I originally brought it up as a matter of fact thing, just reporting on something I had heard from one of my best contacts (coincidentally the first guy of who I talk to who suggested we were eventually getting Bethesda content outside of Cacodemon) but it struck a nerve and people got aggressively personal about it stunningly fast, with one person basically accusing me of being the worst person ever for even relaying it. That said, this originally came up in December/January so if it's true, I don't expect it to happen until near or at the very end of DLC. This will be the final time I will publicly address this rumor on Smashboards because I reeeeeeeally don't want to crowbar open that crate of harassment again.
Ah I'm sorry, i had no idea some people acting like that and did that. Whats with some people taking such offense to rumors? Grow up.

But yeah ok, i wont ask that here anymore then.
 

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I know I was super optimistic about Lloyd/Tales of chances the other day with Heihachi gone and the costume missing still. But now that I think about it, I would have to lower my predictions about Lloyd's chances. If Namco/Nintendo could delay Heihachi's mii costume to ARMS, there is nothing really indicating that they can't just do the exact same for Lloyd and release him with an unrelated character. Nowadays mii costume packs make 0 literal sense, and if they want to go within slight expectations then Lloyd could just come with another swordfighter and there are plenty of swordfighters to choose from too.

Besides unlike Heihachi who is the clear face of the franchise, Lloyd has much more competition (though I do think that he has the best shot). So while I was 70% sure of Tales making it in like 2 days ago, now I'll put them in the same position as Geno and state that the chances are closer to 50-60%. That said, it's possible for Lloyd to be a fighter and a mii costume at the same time too.
You're forgetting we have only 5 costumes and a hat left. They're probably only going to do the remaining ones one at a time, barring maybe the Monster Hunter ones
 

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You're forgetting we have only 5 costumes and a hat left. They're probably only going to do the remaining ones one at a time, barring maybe the Monster Hunter ones
Uhh, not quite. Lloyd and Gil are both from Namco and are both swordfighters so chances are they are likely coming back together. Monster Hunter is definitely coming back together, and you could make a reasonable guess and say that if they aren't coming with a Capcom character; then it's likely that they're coming with a swordfighter as well (they are blademaster armors). I see no reason why Geno and Chocobo won't come back together unless something weird happens like Waluigi comes with a Geno mii, and then we have an entirely different problem.

It's more likely that they start covering these costumes 2 at a time, so we would only have them for around 3 different waves at most. But can be as little as 2 waves, or potentially even 1 (but that's if Square is really generous about costumes being allowed to come with another company).

Lloyd and Gil: Most likely coming with a Namco character, but can fill in for a swordfighter or general RPG character.
2 Monster Hunters: Most likely coming with a Capcom character, but like Lloyd/Gil but can also fit in for a swordfighter/RPG character.
Geno: Most likely coming with a Square character, but can potentially come with a Mario character or an RPG character.
Chocobo: Most likely coming with a Square character, but if they're generous it can come with a RPG character.

All of them could thematically fit in with any potential RPG character, but Geno and Chocobo are less likely to come with an RPG character that is not Square. That said, I can't really see this taking us more than 3 fighters to get covered unless some fighters come with none of these. This is provided that we don;t get any weird scenario's like only 1 Monster Hunter returning, or Gil coming with no Lloyd, or Chocobo with no Geno.
 

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Just gonna throw out my shot in the dark for the Iwata tribute character
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One of the first games he worked on was a Joust port, and the game still has relevance today with an IDW reboot in the form of a board game, and plenty of cameos in things like Pixels and Ready Player One.
 

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I wouldn´t use Min Min in the same category as Banjo concidering Arms if fairly new, and Min Min were essentially a request from the creator. Banjo, on the other hand, is essentially a dead franchise that most likely won´t ever get another installment unless Rare licensing out, or sells the IP to Nintendo or Playtonic games.
Yeah, I guess Banjo is probably the best example by far, but I still wouldn't rule out the fact that fan demand had anything to do with Min Min. Granted, Sakurai said that the creator recommended her but that likely wasn't the ONLY reason. I'm sure there was at least some process of elimination from both Sakurai and the creator. For example, Springman has both a costume AND an AT, so Sakurai probably didn't see the point in triple dipping. As for Ribbon Girl, she has a costume as well which Sakurai seems to deem as a "playable" inclusion of sorts. That leaves Min Min, Ninjara and Twintelle as the most popular picks that weren't already represented in smash (aside from the Spirits which we now know no longer bar inclusions). Sakurai seemed torn between Min Min and Ninjara and asked the creator to make a recommendation. For all we know, they settled on Min Min BECAUSE she's the most popular. It just makes sense. Could you imagine if the creator had recommended someone like Master Mummy or Mechanica? I'm sure there would have been some WTFs thrown around with something like that. And the whole "everyone's a protagonist" comment I think was just to shut up any of the groaners that would have complained that Min Min wasn't the "main" character of the franchise. To assume that public reaction was completely ignored in the selection process just feels like a fanmade rule to me.
 
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Just gonna throw out my shot in the dark for the Iwata tribute character
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One of the first games he worked on was a Joust port, and the game still has relevance today with an IDW reboot in the form of a board game, and plenty of cameos in things like Pixels and Ready Player One.
I really like that idea. It would be pretty insane but also would be the best possible way to cap off Smash Ultimate.
 

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Just gonna throw out my shot in the dark for the Iwata tribute character
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One of the first games he worked on was a Joust port, and the game still has relevance today with an IDW reboot in the form of a board game, and plenty of cameos in things like Pixels and Ready Player One.
Haha, that would be both amusing and uniqur pick for sure
 

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I have been really wondering about what stage Geno is going to get now after the Min Min/Spring Stadium combo was revealed. The stage makes sense as prime representation of the game and for its unique mechanics, but has lacking connection with Min Min beyond being from the same game.
 

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You know, I just remembered something.
Back in the days in between no Geno costume in July and more DLC revealed in September, I remember one of the biggest arguments used to detract against Geno was "Well, they wouldn't include 2 Square characters in the same pass, so Geno is deconfirmed." Then come September and guess what? Nothing's changed. The goal posts moved again and Geno was still deconfirmed due to some Frankenstein's monster of poor reasoning and bad faith arguments. I'd be willing to wager that the overwhelming majority of those who tried to debunk Geno during summer 2019 with "Can't have 2 Squarachters" have probably changed their opinions very little on the idea of Geno being playable. Smash speculation for a lot of these people is "What reasoning can I use to debunk Geno?" instead of the superior "What does reasoning say about Geno's chances?". Reasoning will just change again inevitably after any main argument against him is eviscerated to fit the whims of a vocal minority of jerks and it will probably continue to do that until he's revealed (though, seeing how well they're taking Spirits not deconfirming, I wouldn't be surprised if they denied his reveal happened at all)
 

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Decided to consider a concept that we'll call "Mii Costume Debt" and that each company with a playable character in Smash will try to settle it by the end of Ultimate. A company "pays its debt" by:

-having at least one brand new Mii costume in Ultimate

-having all Smash 4 DLC return (if applicable)

As things currently stand, here's the spread of whether a company has "paid its debt" yet:

Konami (yes)

SEGA (no. No brand new costume yet.)

Capcom (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Namco (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Square (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Platinum (no. No brand new costume)

Atlus (yes)

Armor Project (yes)

RARE (no. No brand new costume)

SNK (yes)

Based on this, it's pretty reasonable to not expect more new content from:

Konami

Atlus

Armor Project

SNK

It's reasonable to expect at least one new Mii costume but not a pack from:

SEGA

Platinum

RARE

Based on their debt, it's reasonable to expect a pack focused on:

Capcom

Namco

Square

Fun stuff.
 

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I have been really wondering about what stage Geno is going to get now after the Min Min/Spring Stadium combo was revealed. The stage makes sense as prime representation of the game and for its unique mechanics, but has lacking connection with Min Min beyond being from the same game.
It's gotta be the best of both worlds: thematically relevant to Geno, and a really recognizable part of SMRPG. That's why I vouch for Star Hill so hard.
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Decided to consider a concept that we'll call "Mii Costume Debt" and that each company with a playable character in Smash will try to settle it by the end of Ultimate. A company "pays its debt" by:

-having at least one brand new Mii costume in Ultimate

-having all Smash 4 DLC return (if applicable)

As things currently stand, here's the spread of whether a company has "paid its debt" yet:

Konami (yes)

SEGA (no. No brand new costume yet.)

Capcom (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Namco (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Square (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Platinum (no. No brand new costume)

Atlus (yes)

Armor Project (yes)

RARE (no. No brand new costume)

SNK (yes)

Based on this, it's pretty reasonable to not expect more new content from:

Konami

Atlus

Armor Project

SNK

It's reasonable to expect at least one new Mii costume but not a pack from:

SEGA

Platinum

RARE

Based on their debt, it's reasonable to expect a pack focused on:

Capcom

Namco

Square

Fun stuff.
That, and if the list you had was right, a few indie costumes on top of that
 

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Just gonna throw out my shot in the dark for the Iwata tribute character
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One of the first games he worked on was a Joust port, and the game still has relevance today with an IDW reboot in the form of a board game, and plenty of cameos in things like Pixels and Ready Player One.
Hell, if it looks like that. I might buy that guy.
 

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Decided to consider a concept that we'll call "Mii Costume Debt" and that each company with a playable character in Smash will try to settle it by the end of Ultimate. A company "pays its debt" by:

-having at least one brand new Mii costume in Ultimate

-having all Smash 4 DLC return (if applicable)

As things currently stand, here's the spread of whether a company has "paid its debt" yet:

Konami (yes)

SEGA (no. No brand new costume yet.)

Capcom (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Namco (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Square (no. No brand new costume and 2 MIA costumes)

Platinum (no. No brand new costume)

Atlus (yes)

Armor Project (yes)

RARE (no. No brand new costume)

SNK (yes)

Based on this, it's pretty reasonable to not expect more new content from:

Konami

Atlus

Armor Project

SNK

It's reasonable to expect at least one new Mii costume but not a pack from:

SEGA

Platinum

RARE

Based on their debt, it's reasonable to expect a pack focused on:

Capcom

Namco

Square

Fun stuff.
Doesnt Sega own Atlus 100%. (Although Nights costume would be cool.) I see where youre coming from, but wouldnt it make more sense to list companies by their parent companies?
 

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Doesnt Sega own Atlus 100%. (Although Nights costume would be cool.) I see where youre coming from, but wouldnt it make more sense to list companies by their parent companies?
Yes but, for the character copyright of Ultimate, ATLUS is listed seperately:

2018 Nintendo

Original Game: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc.

Characters: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc. / Pokémon. / Creatures Inc. / GAME FREAK inc. / SHIGESATO ITOI / APE inc. / INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / Konami Digital Entertainment / SEGA / CAPCOM CO., LTD. / BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment Inc. / MONOLITHSOFT / CAPCOM U.S.A., INC. / SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. / ATLUS / Microsoft / SNK CORPORATION.
 
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Yeah, I guess Banjo is probably the best example by far, but I still wouldn't rule out the fact that fan demand had anything to do with Min Min. Granted, Sakurai said that the creator recommended her but that likely wasn't the ONLY reason. I'm sure there was at least some process of elimination from both Sakurai and the creator. For example, Springman has both a costume AND an AT, so Sakurai probably didn't see the point in triple dipping. As for Ribbon Girl, she has a costume as well which Sakurai seems to deem as a "playable" inclusion of sorts. That leaves Min Min, Ninjara and Twintelle as the most popular picks that weren't already represented in smash (aside from the Spirits which we now know no longer bar inclusions). Sakurai seemed torn between Min Min and Ninjara and asked the creator to make a recommendation. For all we know, they settled on Min Min BECAUSE she's the most popular. It just makes sense. Could you imagine if the creator had recommended someone like Master Mummy or Mechanica? I'm sure there would have been some WTFs thrown around with something like that. And the whole "everyone's a protagonist" comment I think was just to shut up any of the groaners that would have complained that Min Min wasn't the "main" character of the franchise. To assume that public reaction was completely ignored in the selection process just feels like a fanmade rule to me.
Truth be told, it just feels "situational" so to speak. I mean, Fire Emblem fans have asked more than just "vanilla lords" (and we all know how that has turned out) Zelda fans have begged for more than just Links, etc. Had the arms character been in the base game, I could easily see it be Springman being that character.
 

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You know, I just remembered something.
Back in the days in between no Geno costume in July and more DLC revealed in September, I remember one of the biggest arguments used to detract against Geno was "Well, they wouldn't include 2 Square characters in the same pass, so Geno is deconfirmed." Then come September and guess what? Nothing's changed. The goal posts moved again and Geno was still deconfirmed due to some Frankenstein's monster of poor reasoning and bad faith arguments. I'd be willing to wager that the overwhelming majority of those who tried to debunk Geno during summer 2019 with "Can't have 2 Squarachters" have probably changed their opinions very little on the idea of Geno being playable. Smash speculation for a lot of these people is "What reasoning can I use to debunk Geno?" instead of the superior "What does reasoning say about Geno's chances?". Reasoning will just change again inevitably after any main argument against him is eviscerated to fit the whims of a vocal minority of jerks and it will probably continue to do that until he's revealed (though, seeing how well they're taking Spirits not deconfirming, I wouldn't be surprised if they denied his reveal happened at all)
Woomy, you fool. Don't you know you've given detractors exactly the irrefutable ammunition they needed through your very own Customizable Geno Deconfirmation Pack TM?
 

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Yes but, for the character copyright of Ultimate, ATLUS is listed seperately:

2018 Nintendo

Original Game: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc.

Characters: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc. / Pokémon. / Creatures Inc. / GAME FREAK inc. / SHIGESATO ITOI / APE inc. / INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / Konami Digital Entertainment / SEGA / CAPCOM CO., LTD. / BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment Inc. / MONOLITHSOFT / CAPCOM U.S.A., INC. / SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. / ATLUS / Microsoft / SNK CORPORATION.
This is an aside, but I've always wondered... why is Capcom listed twice with the U.S.A. division? Heck, even Bandai Namco and MonolithSoft, two companies, are sandwiched between the two. Does anyone know? My guess is that the American division somehow owns Street Fighter somewhat?
 
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That, and if the list you had was right, a few indie costumes on top of that
And, that too, this actually lines up with Mii Costume Guy's MIA list frightfully well:

2 -Square
1- Capcom
3- Namco
1- Microsoft/RARE
1- SEGA
1- Platinum

If you add in the Smash 4 missing costumes, it becomes:

4- Square
3- Capcom
5- Namco
1-Microsoft/RARE
1- SEGA
1- Platinum

This stratifies not only Power of Six theory but also heavily implies Square, Capcom, and Namco are going to get their own packs. Fun, I cannot stress this enough, stuff.
 

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Yes but, for the character copyright of Ultimate, ATLUS is listed seperately:

2018 Nintendo

Original Game: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc.

Characters: © Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc. / Pokémon. / Creatures Inc. / GAME FREAK inc. / SHIGESATO ITOI / APE inc. / INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / Konami Digital Entertainment / SEGA / CAPCOM CO., LTD. / BANDAI NAMCO Entertainment Inc. / MONOLITHSOFT / CAPCOM U.S.A., INC. / SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. / ATLUS / Microsoft / SNK CORPORATION.
So if you're using the main roster copyrights to justify splitting SEGA and Atlus apart for your Mii Costume Dept list, how do you justify splitting Armor Project and Square Enix when, unlike Atlus, Armor Project is NOT credited in the main copyright list?
 
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So if you're using the main roster copyrights to justify splitting SEGA and Atlus apart for your Mii Costume Dept list, how do you justify splitting Armor Project and Square Enix when, unlike Atlus, Armor Project is NOT credited in the main copyright list?
Rare and Platinum should technically be under their parent umbrella, too.
 
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So if you're using the main roster copyrights to justify splitting SEGA and Atlus apart for your Mii Costume Dept list, how do you justify splitting Armor Project and Square Enix when, unlike Atlus, Armor Project is NOT credited in the main copyright list?
Dragon Quest is a registered trademark.

DRAGON QUEST®

https://smashbros.nintendo.com/buy/dlc/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest

Rare and Platinum should technically be under their parent umbrella, too.
SEGA doesn't own Platinum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlatinumGames

Oh no, double post.
 

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And, that too, this actually lines up with Mii Costume Guy's MIA list frightfully well:

2 -Square
1- Capcom
3- Namco
1- Microsoft/RARE
1- SEGA
1- Platinum

If you add in the Smash 4 missing costumes, it becomes:

4- Square
3- Capcom
5- Namco
1-Microsoft/RARE
1- SEGA
1- Platinum

This stratifies not only Power of Six theory but also heavily implies Square, Capcom, and Namco are going to get their own packs. Fun, I cannot stress this enough, stuff.
This is going to be an interesting set of costumes if true
 

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This is an aside, but I've always wondered... why is Capcom listed twice with the U.S.A. division? Heck, even Bandai Namco and MonolithSoft, two companies, are sandwiched between the two. Does anyone know? My guess is that the American division somehow owns Street Fighter somewhat?
Since Street Fighter IV, I believe the series has been registered under Capcom USA because there's this one guy... Whose name I can never remember... That played an enormous role in not only creating the standard Street Fighter competitive rules but also helps a ton with balancing patches. Nintendo even got him years agonto make competitive tutorial videos for Brawl that were kind of cringey (not because of him but because Brawl was unbalanced as holy hell).
 

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So... I think we're in a weird timeline where Min Min is the Arms character but Assist Trophies do not deconfirm. Here's why...

From the sounds of it, if Yabuki really wanted Spring Man, for instance, Sakurai would have added him. In the trailer, the springboi himself was even able to grab the letter and would've had it in the bag had he been more careful.

Also, Jon from GameXplain has already gone on multiple times saying he doesn't think Assist Trophies deconfirm after this presentation.
And let's also not forget that he made THIS tweet in October 2019
https://twitter.com/JonComms/status/1183317941934276608

He was also quite adamant of the 5th DLC character being first party and spirits not deconfirming.

something is coming...
Honestly, with Sakurai not saying anything about Spring Man's Assist Trophy status, I'm of the opinion that the "Do Assist Trophies deconfirm?" question remains unanswered for now. He could've commented on the Assist Trophy and say that it wouldn't have kept Spring Man out anyway, or he could've just said that Assist Trophies deconfirm right then and there and put the whole thing to bed. Instead, he says nothing.

Hopefully this means we're getting an Assist Trophy character promoted to playable, though regardless, I just hope we can settle this whole debate as soon as possible. If Assist Trophies really do deconfirm, I hope we don't have to wait until the very last fighter just to find that out.
 

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I still get insults from detractors (mostly 15-20 years old kids) that says “no one cares” “who knows him” “he has 1 only game” “why would Nintendo bother” or even saying bad stuff about me and my family just to offend me. The thing is, I’m Geno addicted I know, but also a grown man who will be 30 years old on the 4th of July. It’s just funny and I think they are stupid.

Always the smart choice is don’t giving ****s and act as if they don’t exist. Don’t warm your head for unnecessary stuff, bros.

Geno is a 100% and I’m been saying this since the Ultimate reveal with the Inklings.

And also, always believe in your dreams. I’m not saying stay positive always, cause we are humans, but nothing is impossible, in general.
 
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So... I think we're in a weird timeline where Min Min is the Arms character but Assist Trophies do not deconfirm. Here's why...

From the sounds of it, if Yabuki really wanted Spring Man, for instance, Sakurai would have added him. In the trailer, the springboi himself was even able to grab the letter and would've had it in the bag had he been more careful.

Also, Jon from GameXplain has already gone on multiple times saying he doesn't think Assist Trophies deconfirm after this presentation.
And let's also not forget that he made THIS tweet in October 2019
https://twitter.com/JonComms/status/1183317941934276608

He was also quite adamant of the 5th DLC character being first party and spirits not deconfirming.

something is coming...
He can't keep getting away with this!


JOOOOOOOOON! JOOOOOOOOON!
 

Lord Woomy

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Woomy, you fool. Don't you know you've given detractors exactly the irrefutable ammunition they needed through your very own Customizable Geno Deconfirmation Pack TM?
That's just the thing! Noticing the situation, I'd be an absolute fool not to get absurdly rich off of these morons!
 

BigZGaming2015

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So... I think we're in a weird timeline where Min Min is the Arms character but Assist Trophies do not deconfirm. Here's why...

From the sounds of it, if Yabuki really wanted Spring Man, for instance, Sakurai would have added him. In the trailer, the springboi himself was even able to grab the letter and would've had it in the bag had he been more careful.

Also, Jon from GameXplain has already gone on multiple times saying he doesn't think Assist Trophies deconfirm after this presentation.
And let's also not forget that he made THIS tweet in October 2019
https://twitter.com/JonComms/status/1183317941934276608

He was also quite adamant of the 5th DLC character being first party and spirits not deconfirming.

something is coming...
I'm really liking the idea of this pass being spirits/assists upgrades if thats what might be happening. Something cool would be if half the pass was 3 spirit upgrades and the other 3 were assist upgrades. Min Min already takes up one spirit spot, so the other two I can see being Geno and Rayman (could also see Rex instead of Rayman). For assists it'd be cool if we got Shadow and maybe Skull Kid or Isaac, with Waluigi taking the last assist spot
 

AdamBel731

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He can't keep getting away with this!


JOOOOOOOOON! JOOOOOOOOON!
To add onto this, as I mentioned the other night when I pulled up that Tweet from Jon, he has never mentioned Waluigi oddly enough. I feel like he is avoiding mentioning him since there is "such a controversy" surrounding him. And as I also mentioned the other night, why would he bring up that huge list of Asssit Trophy restrictions on stages?
 
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