Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[KCCHIEFS27]

Nintendo so far this month:

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

I hate to be the one who said I told you so, but I've been saying this from the start

We have Pokémon news.
You want Pokémon news.

🤔

Sounds to us like you should tune in tomorrow at 6 a.m. PDT for #PokemonPresents! What do you think, Trainers? https://t.co/IHH4pyavUh pic.twitter.com/zEY0zzS04Q

— Pokémon (@Pokemon) June 16, 2020

Nintendo doesn't do anniversaries, and they will NOT risk overshadowing Pokemon, just like how we were forced to wait until the end of July for Hero because of Fire Emblem

So yeah, who's ready for even more wasted time?

 

[Just a random scrub]

waaaaaaaaait a minute
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I highly doubt that Waluigi would be added to Super Mario 3D World without Wario.

And while Break the Targets would be amazing, I doubt Sakurai went back on his decision not to make any more new modes.

 

[T2by4]

waaaaaaaaait a minute
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>Waluigi in 3d world

How could not see that this was fake? Why would they add waluigi and NOT wario? Like what?

 

[Theguy123]

Does anyone else think the dlc might have changed because of Covid 19. I feel like Nintendo might of had a hit in terms of sales or something and it could’ve effected the Arms presentation and who’s gonna get in. That would at least give a reason to why Nintendo haven’t announced anything smash bro’s yet.

 

[Vector Victor]

This feels like a repeat of the first pass with Joker: Nintendo partially reveals the character then goes on radio silence completely until they randomly releases the character late in the month that they planned to release them.

So, yea, odds are ARMs is coming out by the 25th this month.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Does anyone else think the dlc might have changed because of Covid 19. I feel like Nintendo might of had a hit in terms of sales or something and it could’ve effected the Arms presentation and who’s gonna get in. That would at least give a reason to why Nintendo haven’t announced anything smash bro’s yet.

Nah, that definitely isn't realistic. The pass is set in stone and even the pandemic can't hit them hard enough that they need to switch around Smash Bros DLC for a quicker cash flow. That just isn't how you run a business like they have. They're doing fine monetarily, they're just AWFUL at being transparent about stuff

 

[PatPrime]

I hate to be the one who said I told you so, but I've been saying this from the start

We have Pokémon news.
You want Pokémon news.

🤔

Sounds to us like you should tune in tomorrow at 6 a.m. PDT for #PokemonPresents! What do you think, Trainers? https://t.co/IHH4pyavUh pic.twitter.com/zEY0zzS04Q

— Pokémon (@Pokemon) June 16, 2020

Nintendo doesn't do anniversaries, and they will NOT risk overshadowing Pokemon, just like how we were forced to wait until the end of July for Hero because of Fire Emblem

So yeah, who's ready for even more wasted time?

Yes, this is what everyone needs. EVEN MORE POKEMON.

 

[Lagguino]

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People in the new @papagenos video are commenting that the colors of the DLC so far match the colors of the stars. Just made the photo for you to compare. Nothing important but just fun to share! Check those video comments to see what people say.

Hope to see some announcement today Tuesday 16th June! Can’t wait for the next Smash news and Geno joining the party!

Look i know color theory is dead...
..buuuut if min-min is in then that could mean its possibly orange and the last color could be geno, and that would be a perfect timeline. What makes it better is that they could use that on his trailer.

 

[Firox]

I hate to be the one who said I told you so, but I've been saying this from the start

We have Pokémon news.
You want Pokémon news.

🤔

Sounds to us like you should tune in tomorrow at 6 a.m. PDT for #PokemonPresents! What do you think, Trainers? https://t.co/IHH4pyavUh pic.twitter.com/zEY0zzS04Q

— Pokémon (@Pokemon) June 16, 2020

Nintendo doesn't do anniversaries, and they will NOT risk overshadowing Pokemon, just like how we were forced to wait until the end of July for Hero because of Fire Emblem

So yeah, who's ready for even more wasted time?

Ooooooh goodie, I can't wait to hear the next exciting ream-job Gamefreak has up its sleeve!

"Hey there, trainers! Remember that last $100 we squeezed out of you with Gen 8?! Well, the wait is over! This December we give you....ISLE OF DUNSPARCE! It comes complete with a legendary Pokemon that looks suspiciously like Ursaring! But wait, there more! It also has a godzilla transformation into an even BIGGER Ursaring! Only $69.99 plus tax! And if you actually want animations for it, just another $69.99! What a deal!"

 

[zferolie]

Ooooooh goodie, I can't wait to hear the next exciting ream-job Gamefreak has up its sleeve!

"Hey there, trainers! Remember that last $100 we squeezed out of you with Gen 8?! Well, the wait is over! This December we give you....ISLE OF DUNSPARCE! It comes complete with a legendary Pokemon that looks suspiciously like Ursaring! But wait, there more! It also has a godzilla transformation into an even BIGGER Ursaring! Only $69.99 plus tax! And if you actually want animations for it, just another $69.99! What a deal!"

Someone is bitter...

 

[Andwooooo]

Let’s pile on more reasons why that list is fake as cuss—

Why release the original SMRPG to NSO if you’re planning to remake it? That’d be a noticeable hit to sales of the remake if you could just play the game for free.

That list is also really long for Nintendo to only announce one or two things in it so far. If that was really meant to be Nintendo’s E3 conference, they would’ve announced some more stuff by now.

More likely was that E3 2020 was always going to be a meh year for Nintendo, with Paper Mario being their main showcase. They probably realized that anything they put forward would be overshadowed by the PS5 reveal.

 

[Firox]

Someone is bitter...

Just a little, though the sad thing is that I'm hardly exaggerating. The Pokemon franchise has nickel and diming down to almost EA levels of sleeze. The whole Pokemon Home debacle was icing on the cake.

 

[link2702]

I hate to be the one who said I told you so, but I've been saying this from the start

We have Pokémon news.
You want Pokémon news.

🤔

Sounds to us like you should tune in tomorrow at 6 a.m. PDT for #PokemonPresents! What do you think, Trainers? https://t.co/IHH4pyavUh pic.twitter.com/zEY0zzS04Q

— Pokémon (@Pokemon) June 16, 2020

Nintendo doesn't do anniversaries, and they will NOT risk overshadowing Pokemon, just like how we were forced to wait until the end of July for Hero because of Fire Emblem

So yeah, who's ready for even more wasted time?

sad face

 

[zferolie]

Just a little, though the sad thing is that I'm hardly exaggerating. The Pokemon franchise has nickel and diming down to almost EA levels of sleeze.

Oh i agree with you. I mean isle of armor sounds like its fixing most of thenissues o had with the base game, but this should have been in the base game...

 

[Sigran101]

Just a little, though the sad thing is that I'm hardly exaggerating. The Pokemon franchise has nickel and diming down to almost EA levels of sleeze.

Okay, this might be overstating it. They made underwhelming games and then a dlc pack. And you don't even have to buy the dlc to transfer in the Pokemon in the expansion, which was all most people wanted. Overpriced, sure. Sleazy? Not at all. Certainly not EA levels.

 

[JarBear]

It does, at least appear, probably no Smash stuff this week. Oye.

Even the last week of June doesn't seem likely.

EDIT: Just read about the jump rope thing, made me chuckle and thought good for them though.

 

[Firox]

Okay, this might be overstating it. They made underwhelming games and then a dlc pack. And you don't even have to buy the dlc to transfer in the Pokemon in the expansion, which was all most people wanted. Overpriced, sure. Sleazy? Not at all. Certainly not EA levels.

OK, maybe not EA levels, but I'm sure you're well aware of how controversial Gen 8 has been in general combined with the dumpster fire that is Pokemon Home. I'm still waiting for a game to which I can transfer ALL of my old Pokes without leaving them to rot in a ransom bin.

 

[Speed Weed]

yeah honestly looking back that was fake

sorry everyone. i do NOT want to be seen as that guy who jumps the gun at any rumor and honestly i don't even know why i felt the need to post that

 

[Vector Victor]

This will be Ridley's shadow all over again: something Nintendo could have cleared up on day 1, left it stupidly/pointlessly vague and ambiguous, fandoms go crazy with speculation, Nintendo completely dropped it for months, then finally revealed it and literally nothing changed from the day they first shown him.

 

[Just a random scrub]

yeah honestly looking back that was fake

sorry everyone. i do NOT want to be seen as that guy who jumps the gun at any rumor and honestly i don't even know why i felt the need to post that

Nah it's cool. I think most of us have done that at some point or another.

 

[axel_]

The secret guest appearance for Heihachi HAS to be Smash. None of the other guesses I've seen work.

Street Fighter and KOF have never done guest characters, and there is zero precedent for them to break that trend. I do not expect the guest appearance to be SFV or KOF XV.
Heihachi was in SC2, Soul Calibur has never done repeats on guests, so even if you ignore the fact that someone from the team said Haohmaru would be the only guest of season 2, it can't be Soul Calibur 6.

Heihachi in Smash makes so much more sense than Lloyd does. Almost every single crossover that Bandai Namco has been a part of has prominently featured Heihachi, Tekken is still going strong, with Tekken 7 being a huge success financially and critically (it's easily the biggest fighting game title in the FGC right now), and it hasn't shied away from being active, especially with the recent collab with KOF All Star.
Tales, on the other hand, hasn't really had an active place with gaming in years. We haven't heard anything on Tales of Arise since last year, even with the Tales of Festival. Lloyd is even less active, he hasn't been doing anything within the Tales series in a long time.

Heihachi is Bandai Namco's CROSSOVER KING, there really isn't a better fit for Smash.

 

[zferolie]

The secret guest appearance for Heihachi HAS to be Smash. None of the other guesses I've seen work.

Street Fighter and KOF have never done guest characters, and there is zero precedent for them to break that trend. I do not expect the guest appearance to be SFV or KOF XV.
Heihachi was in SC2, Soul Calibur has never done repeats on guests, so even if you ignore the fact that someone from the team said Haohmaru would be the only guest of season 2, it can't be Soul Calibur 6.

Heihachi in Smash makes so much more sense than Lloyd does. Almost every single crossover that Bandai Namco has been a part of has prominently featured Heihachi, Tekken is still going strong, with Tekken 7 being a huge success financially and critically (it's easily the biggest fighting game title in the FGC right now), and it hasn't shied away from being active, especially with the recent collab with KOF All Star.
Tales, on the other hand, hasn't really had an active place with gaming in years. We haven't heard anything on Tales of Arise since last year, even with the Tales of Festival. Lloyd is even less active, he hasn't been doing anything within the Tales series in a long time.

Heihachi is Bandai Namco's CROSSOVER KING, there really isn't a better fit for Smash.

That may be true but i would take litterally any other character from Namco then him. Give us a tales of rep, or ivy from soul caliber, the taiko drum from those games, mr druller, litterally anyone else from tekken, then Heihatchi

 

[Sigran101]

The secret guest appearance for Heihachi HAS to be Smash. None of the other guesses I've seen work.

Street Fighter and KOF have never done guest characters, and there is zero precedent for them to break that trend. I do not expect the guest appearance to be SFV or KOF XV.
Heihachi was in SC2, Soul Calibur has never done repeats on guests, so even if you ignore the fact that someone from the team said Haohmaru would be the only guest of season 2, it can't be Soul Calibur 6.

Heihachi in Smash makes so much more sense than Lloyd does. Almost every single crossover that Bandai Namco has been a part of has prominently featured Heihachi, Tekken is still going strong, with Tekken 7 being a huge success financially and critically (it's easily the biggest fighting game title in the FGC right now), and it hasn't shied away from being active, especially with the recent collab with KOF All Star.
Tales, on the other hand, hasn't really had an active place with gaming in years. We haven't heard anything on Tales of Arise since last year, even with the Tales of Festival. Lloyd is even less active, he hasn't been doing anything within the Tales series in a long time.

Heihachi is Bandai Namco's CROSSOVER KING, there really isn't a better fit for Smash.

You know, I tend to agree that Heihachi is the more likely one, but I really hope I'm wrong. I've watched a ton of Tekken gameplay to try and get hyped for Heihachi, but really all he does is punch and kick. There's nothing even remotely interesting about him combat-wise.

 

[YsDisciple]

Something about Nintendo going all in with the Pokemon SwSh DLC has gotten me a bit concerned. We just had some news for the Isle of Armor (with release date) and Crown Tundra just a bit ago, and now tomorrow we'll be getting even MORE news? It would seem like they've completely forgotten that the SSBU CP 6 of the Fighters Pass Vol. 2 is expected this month... unless... I might be getting over concerned but, I HOPE they're not thinking on blind-siding us with a CP 7 tease tomorrow; it being a Pokemon from Sword and Shield (similar ambiguous reveal to the ARMS character). Really; SwSh have been out for a while; we just got a "news" in regards to the Isle of Armor (and even before that we had quite a nice bit of news from the upcoming DLC already), so what else is there to show?! More new Pokemons (galarian forms)? Is that even necessary?

 

[Lyncario]

The secret guest appearance for Heihachi HAS to be Smash. None of the other guesses I've seen work.

Street Fighter and KOF have never done guest characters, and there is zero precedent for them to break that trend. I do not expect the guest appearance to be SFV or KOF XV.
Heihachi was in SC2, Soul Calibur has never done repeats on guests, so even if you ignore the fact that someone from the team said Haohmaru would be the only guest of season 2, it can't be Soul Calibur 6.

Heihachi in Smash makes so much more sense than Lloyd does. Almost every single crossover that Bandai Namco has been a part of has prominently featured Heihachi, Tekken is still going strong, with Tekken 7 being a huge success financially and critically (it's easily the biggest fighting game title in the FGC right now), and it hasn't shied away from being active, especially with the recent collab with KOF All Star.
Tales, on the other hand, hasn't really had an active place with gaming in years. We haven't heard anything on Tales of Arise since last year, even with the Tales of Festival. Lloyd is even less active, he hasn't been doing anything within the Tales series in a long time.

Heihachi is Bandai Namco's CROSSOVER KING, there really isn't a better fit for Smash.

I get your point, but Heihachi already apeared in KoF trough all stars (that also makes him having technialy crossed over with WWE), and Akuma is in Tekken 7. I can easily see any of the 3 options happen, really.

 

[zferolie]

Something about Nintendo going all in with the Pokemon SwSh DLC has gotten me a bit concerned. We just had some news for the Isle of Armor (with release date) and Crown Tundra just a bit ago, and now tomorrow we'll be getting even MORE news? It would seem like they've completely forgotten that the SSBU CP 6 of the Fighters Pass Vol. 2 is expected this month... unless... I might be getting over concerned but, I HOPE they're not thinking on blind-siding us with a CP 7 tease tomorrow; it being a Pokemon from Sword and Shield (similar ambiguous reveal to the ARMS character). Really; SwSh have been out for a while; we just got a "news" in regards to the Isle of Armor (and even before that we had quite a nice bit of news from the upcoming DLC already), so what else is there to show?! More new Pokemons (galarian forms)? Is that even necessary?

Serebii has said the expansions wont be the only news. Yes smash is possible but i dont think it will happen.

I think they willngove over a bit about the dlcs, more mystery gift events, talk about the move tutors a bit. Then they may show off a new spin off game or 2, and maybe event eeveal that runored gen 4 remake thats been around for years

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Just a little, though the sad thing is that I'm hardly exaggerating. The Pokemon franchise has nickel and diming down to almost EA levels of sleeze. The whole Pokemon Home debacle was icing on the cake.

Pokemon is Nintendo's Madden. The games will sell well no matter how quality the product actually is.

 

[zferolie]

You know, I tend to agree that Heihachi is the more likely one, but I really hope I'm wrong. I've watched a ton of Tekken gameplay to try and get hyped for Heihachi, but really all he does is punch and kick. There's nothing even remotely interesting about him combat-wise.

I agree. He would be the first character of this dlc i would actually be upset by, and thats saying a lot for me

 

[MattX20]

The secret guest appearance for Heihachi HAS to be Smash. None of the other guesses I've seen work.

Street Fighter and KOF have never done guest characters, and there is zero precedent for them to break that trend. I do not expect the guest appearance to be SFV or KOF XV.
Heihachi was in SC2, Soul Calibur has never done repeats on guests, so even if you ignore the fact that someone from the team said Haohmaru would be the only guest of season 2, it can't be Soul Calibur 6.

Heihachi in Smash makes so much more sense than Lloyd does. Almost every single crossover that Bandai Namco has been a part of has prominently featured Heihachi, Tekken is still going strong, with Tekken 7 being a huge success financially and critically (it's easily the biggest fighting game title in the FGC right now), and it hasn't shied away from being active, especially with the recent collab with KOF All Star.
Tales, on the other hand, hasn't really had an active place with gaming in years. We haven't heard anything on Tales of Arise since last year, even with the Tales of Festival. Lloyd is even less active, he hasn't been doing anything within the Tales series in a long time.

Heihachi is Bandai Namco's CROSSOVER KING, there really isn't a better fit for Smash.

I seriously doubt Smash is the crossover that was mentioned. If it were Smash, they would've said otherwise. People keep forgetting KOF XV is on the way and Geese was in the most recent Tekken, a way to pay the favor.

 

[Firox]

Pokemon is Nintendo's Madden. The games will sell well no matter how quality the product actually is.

This is exactly my point. The franchise has reached "bullet proof" status to where they know full well that no matter how crappy the product, people will lap it up without question. This, in turn, incentivizes them to put in even less effort. Such is the fate of almost all franchises that make it big over an extended amount of time.

Anywho, as for Smash related stuff, is next week our last chance for a Smash reveal?

 

[Enigma735]

I just watched PapaGeno's latest video and I couldn't disagree more with his prediction for Heihachi as CP7. I personally doubt Sakurai is gonna have two 3D fighting game characters release back to back with one another and Sakurai is someone who loves diversity. I also feel like characters like Geno or Rayman have far more going in their favor then Heihachi as of right now.

It also sucks to see PapaGeno's be this pessimistic over Geno's chances, because I'm not sure he really understands just how much is in his favor.

 

[Nanami77]

I just watched PapaGeno's latest video and I couldn't disagree more with his prediction for Heihachi as CP7. I personally doubt Sakurai is gonna have two 3D fighting game characters release back to back with one another and Sakurai is someone who loves diversity. I also feel like characters like Geno or Rayman have far more going in their favor then Heihachi as of right now.

It also sucks to see PapaGeno's be this pessimistic over Geno's chances, because I'm not sure he really understands just how much is in his favor.

That’s like saying there is no chance of getting Hero after Joker because they are both from JRPGs.

 

[axel_]

I get your point, but Heihachi already apeared in KoF trough all stars (that also makes him having technialy crossed over with WWE), and Akuma is in Tekken 7. I can easily see any of the 3 options happen, really.

I don't think mobile gacha cash-ins are valid gateways for a series to show up in a mainline title like KOF VX.

As far as Akuma in Tekken 7, I see that as Namco making up for the fact that they likely will never do their own Tekken vs Street Fighter game after the failure of SFxT. I don't expect this mutualism to go back and forth between Street Fighter and Tekken after Akuma.

You know, I tend to agree that Heihachi is the more likely one, but I really hope I'm wrong. I've watched a ton of Tekken gameplay to try and get hyped for Heihachi, but really all he does is punch and kick. There's nothing even remotely interesting about him combat-wise.

There's a lot more to it than what lies on the surface.
Sure, Heihachi is mainly punches and kicks, but every single Tekken character has around 100 different moves each. Smash's control layout are able to cover three or four different movesets for the guy!
I think, given how much the development mindset has changed for what can be done in Smash, they could easily replicate Tekken's iconic juggle combos as well. Imagine a fighter where all tilt attacks have fixed knockback and the stronger Smash attacks and Specials can send opponents flying. We really don't have a combo-oriented fighter that would be as focused on ground combat as Heihachi would be (think of Ken's Marth combos done by a Metal DK).

The most exciting aspect of Heihachi in Smash to me is the additional content, because there's just SO MUCH OF IT to pull from. If there's one thing I know Tekken is famous for other than its gameplay and characters, it's their stellar lineup of music that defines what fighting games can sound like. Smash is in grave need of some clubhouse bangers.
So many Tekken characters can fit great as Mii Costumes too (Jin/Devil Jin Brawler, Yoshimitsu and Raven Swordfighter, Alisa... well, Alisa could fit in every category)

 

[Megadoomer]

I just watched PapaGeno's latest video and I couldn't disagree more with his prediction for Heihachi as CP7. I personally doubt Sakurai is gonna have two 3D fighting game characters release back to back with one another and Sakurai is someone who loves diversity. I also feel like characters like Geno or Rayman have far more going in their favor then Heihachi as of right now.

It also sucks to see PapaGeno's be this pessimistic over Geno's chances, because I'm not sure he really understands just how much is in his favor.

His main basis for it seems to be the Vergeben private message that was allegedly sent to Sabi, which could have been faked.

While I doubt that they'd base the development of the second Fighters Pass on puns, I could see Geno being #7 (since it would also make him fighter 77 overall, and given the seven stars from Mario RPG, it lines up pretty well, and it would match with previous E3 reveals for Smash Ultimate like Ridley and Banjo in terms of being long-awaited picks among the Smash fandom) and Heihachi being #8 (hachi means 8 in Japan, and another Namco-Bandai character seems long overdue). Like I said, though, I sincerely doubt that would happen, or at least that it would be the reason why those characters are picked for those spots.

 

[JoscarGamma]

I can't see tomorrows Pokemon presents containing any smash news. I feel that they need to reveal who fighter 6 is before announcing the next character, so unless the ARMS fighter drops today, I don't see fighter 7 and after being announced. Which makes me wonder if we'll get another fighter announced at all? It may just be fighter 6 and then we wait a week or more to find out who the next fighter is just so we bask in fighter 6's glory (as frustrating as that may sound).

I know it doesn't make any sense, but given the lack of news, I wonder if June should have been expected at all (I know the mini direct said fighter 6 would be announced and released in June, but they also said the dates were subject to change, but that's a whole other argument)

As for Heihachi, I prefer him as the next Namco rep over Lloyd, but given the information Fatmanonice provided, I see the fan demand for Lloyd as I do for Geno, and I feel he would be the fighter included. I've never played Tales of Symphonia, but I have played Tekken (its been years), they can adapt Heihachi as a fighter the same as they've adapted others.

 

[Sigran101]

If fighter 6 was delayed out of June they would have said so. This isn't like the unannounced directs where people expected to be told of delays. There Nintendo had no obligation to announce a delay since they never said anything was coming. They made an announcement that ARMS is June. They can't just coast through June, casually drop it in July or August and hope no one noticed. A delay would have to be announced.

 

[MattX20]

It's very frustrating, but next week will likely be when our reveals and a strong chance the release too will finally happen most likely given it's the last full week of June.

 

[axel_]

As for Heihachi, I prefer him as the next Namco rep over Lloyd, but given the information Fatmanonice Fatmanonice provided, I see the fan demand for Lloyd as I do for Geno, and I feel he would be the fighter included. I've never played Tales of Symphonia, but I have played Tekken (its been years), they can adapt Heihachi as a fighter the same as they've adapted others.

Even Sakurai's wording between each character in the past is drastically different and is better for Heihachi.
With the Lloyd costume, I remember Sakurai saying IF there was a Tales rep it would have to be Lloyd. That's a pretty decent suggestion for who the chosen Tales character would be, but with Heihachi Sakurai flat-out said that he and Bandai Namco considered him before deciding to go with Pac-Man. This is a major testament to the star power of Mr. Mishima.

 

[MattX20]

Even Sakurai's wording between each character in the past is drastically different and is better for Heihachi.
With the Lloyd costume, I remember Sakurai saying IF there was a Tales rep it would have to be Lloyd. That's a pretty decent suggestion for who the chosen Tales character would be, but with Heihachi Sakurai flat-out said that he and Bandai Namco considered him before deciding to go with Pac-Man. This is a major testament to the star power of Mr. Mishima.

The same logic can be applied to Heihachi too you know, and frankly, I'd rather have Lloyd because he has a far and away more interesting moveset/potential.