Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[PatPrime]

I would like Heihachi more than Lloyd but whether I will actually like to play as him depends on how complex he is. Though I'd rather have neither and get a different character from a genre I actually like. (Soul Calibur is the sole exception when it comes to traditonal fighting games, 2D or 3D, so I would like Nightmare).

 

[axel_]

The same logic can be applied to Heihachi too you know, and frankly, I'd rather have Lloyd because he has a far and away more interesting moveset/potential.

Hard disagree, grounded juggle-based bruiser sounds like a much more unique fighter concept than fast combo swordsman #33

 

[MattX20]

Hard disagree, grounded juggle-based bruiser sounds like a much more unique fighter concept than fast combo swordsman #33

Looking at Heihachi's gameplay is pretty boring when compared to Terry or the more vibrant Arc System Works cast. That, and I don't want to see another JRPG character fans wanted since Brawl to be decimated again like poor Isaac fans were.

 

[Vector Victor]

Then they fool everyone and Namco's rep is Agumon.

 

[PatPrime]

Then they fool everyone and Namco's rep is Agumon.

Ok serious question. I know Digimon was a tamagochi thing originally but does that really count as a video game rep?

 

[Enigma735]

That’s like saying there is no chance of getting Hero after Joker because they are both from JRPGs.

I don't really think this is the same comparison since Persona and Dragon Quest are vastly different from one another, and Joker and Hero have totally different playstyles, whereas ARMS and Tekken are very similar in terms of gameplay and I feel the ARMS character's playstyle would be how I imagine a Tekken character would play like.

 

[Sigran101]

I don't really think this is the same comparison since Persona and Dragon Quest are vastly different from one another, and Joker and Hero have totally different playstyles, whereas ARMS and Tekken are very similar in terms of gameplay and I feel the ARMS character's playstyle would be how I imagine a Tekken character would play like.

Are you serious? Look I don't want Heihachi at all but ARMS and Tekken being similar gameplay wise is the most absurd thing I've heard on this site. There's literally no way the ARMS character and Heihachi would play even remotely the same. You've gotta be either joking or tripping.

 

[Nanami77]

I don't really think this is the same comparison since Persona and Dragon Quest are vastly different from one another, and Joker and Hero have totally different playstyles, whereas ARMS and Tekken are very similar in terms of gameplay and I feel the ARMS character's playstyle would be how I imagine a Tekken character would play like.

I’ve played both of them in the past.

That statement couldn’t be more false. Don’t remember ARMS having the button inputs that Tekken does.

In fact, I’d argue Persona and DQ are way more similar gameplay wise than ARMs and Tekken.

(Also, why are JRPGs always the exception to everything on this site?)

 

[Terry Badguy]

Well at least something was revealed today lol

 

[Loliko YnT]

Or they pick Klonoa.
I often joke about that , but a light weight grappler with good air speed isn't a common archetype in Smash. Crusade made a good proof of concept moveset for him. (Well his air grab is slightly broken lol)

I know that Nintendo has the say in who they pick , but for all we know , Nintendo asked for a Bamco character , and Bamco could take that opportunity with Klonoa since that whole Kaze no Klonoa encore hint at a remake. Sakurai could simply be interested in the moveset for the little guy , too.

Yeah , it's unlikely , but I prefer to mention the possibility now. When it come to Bamco , I really got the feeling everyone fight over Lloyd and Heihachi , and that Nightmare dude. (wich I always think is the Kirby baddie lol) So some variety is always nice.

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I know we talked about it for a while , but didn't Sakurai initially mentionned he only wanted to add 1 or 2 bonus characters , but ended up doing a full second pass ? While we don't know who he could have thought about , I still wonder... If I was Sakurai and could only add 2 more characters to the game , anyone , who would I pick ?
Of course Sakurai's personnal preferences don't dictate everything , but this line of thinking make me a bit more hopeful for Geno.

 

[Nanami77]

Posted this in the general thread, but I’ll leave this here as well.

To put this wait into perspective, ever since the last Smash trailer dropped (Byleth), we’ve had:

>A global pandemic
>Societal lockdown
>Stock market crash and recession
>Impeachment Trial
>UK officially exiting EU
>UFOs declassified
>Mass riots in the US
>North and South Korea escalation
>India and China now on the brink of war

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

I’ve played both of them in the past.
(Also, why are JRPGs always the exception to everything on this site?)

Ignoring the fact they are inexplicably popular in Japan (it's almost like the Genre is from there and most utilized there) I think it's the worry of every sword fighter playing in the vein of a Marcina mid-range spacer. Even though its definitely not a true sentiment, I can see were that was fostered in Melee/Brawl days. Hell, for those who never played Symphonia, Lloyd's moveset was always much much more rushdown in those games, where he was essentially a berserker.

Or they pick Klonoa.
I often joke about that , but a light weight grappler with good air speed isn't a common archetype in Smash. Crusade made a good proof of concept moveset for him. (Well his air grab is slightly broken lol)
I know that Nintendo has the say in who they pick , but for all we know , Nintendo asked for a Bamco character , and Bamco could take that opportunity with Klonoa since that whole Kaze no Klonoa encore hint at a remake. Sakurai could simply be interested in the moveset for the little guy , too.

Yeah , it's unlikely , but I prefer to mention the possibility now. When it come to Bamco , I really got the feeling everyone fight over Lloyd and Heihachi , and that Nightmare dude. (wich I always think is the Kirby baddie lol) So some variety is always nice.

I may have to check out crusade. Klonoa was and still is my #1 for Bamco, but I always considered him a never ever.

 

[Megadoomer]

I don't really think this is the same comparison since Persona and Dragon Quest are vastly different from one another, and Joker and Hero have totally different playstyles, whereas ARMS and Tekken are very similar in terms of gameplay and I feel the ARMS character's playstyle would be how I imagine a Tekken character would play like.

I haven't played much of ARMS or Tekken (I played the ARMS free trial twice, and I've played Tekken 7's story mode, a bit of Tekken 2, and Tag Tournament 2 on the Wii U), and even I can tell that this is false. It's like saying that Geno and Vivian (from Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door) would play very similarly because both of them are partner characters in Mario RPGs.

Regardless, we have threads for individual characters, the Newcomer Speculation thread, and a thread asking which second Namco-Bandai character you want for this sort of thing. Given how busy the Geno thread can be, I'd hate for it to be derailed for several pages because people are debating about whether Lloyd or Heihachi would be better-suited for a second Namco-Bandai character.

 

[axel_]

I don't really think this is the same comparison since Persona and Dragon Quest are vastly different from one another, and Joker and Hero have totally different playstyles, whereas ARMS and Tekken are very similar in terms of gameplay and I feel the ARMS character's playstyle would be how I imagine a Tekken character would play like.

I thought the "Smash fans know nothing about other games" thing was just a joke, oh my God.

 

[TTF]

Well at least something was revealed today lol

It's only pass noon my time, I wouldn't pack it in just yet.

 

[Polarthief]

To put this wait into perspective, ever since the last Smash trailer dropped (Byleth), we’ve had:
>UK officially exiting EU
>North and South Korea escalation
>India and China now on the brink of war

I'm apparently not at all in the know, I didn't hear of any of this, god damn. This year really is cursed, huh?

It's only pass noon my time, I wouldn't pack it in just yet.

Pokemon tomorrow. They're not doing anything Smash this week. 23rd, 24th, 25th, place your bets.

 

[MattX20]

Geno being confirmed for Smash would be a nice early birthday present since I'm turning 30 on the 6th of July

 

[Droodle]

Frankly, I find the theory that Geno HAS to be character 7 due to the significance of SEVEN STARS to be kind of stupid. Seven is possibly the most generic number out there in terms of how many characters are associated with it in one way or another.

I mean in terms of closely associated Square characters both Sora and Neku are connected to the number 7 in some way.
Sora: Part of the SEVEN lights.
Neku: 7 Days in the game.
Final Fantasy: Literally all the characters in 7/7 REMAKE.
Zidane from FF9: Lucky Seven skill. Which is a reference to the easter egg in FF7.

I'm pretty sure if I looked I could find even more Square related characters that have some sort of connection to the number 7 in one way or another. Not to mention all the other characters that want to collect all the seven macguffins in order to fulfill their plans (Shadow/Eggman). Even Master Chief has a association with the number 7.

Can Geno be character 7? Yes.
Is he going to be 7 just because of his relationship to the number 7? No. They don't order their characters around relationships to number.

ARMS and Tekken are very similar in terms of gameplay and I feel the ARMS character's playstyle would be how I imagine a Tekken character would play like.

Y'know except for the fact that aside from them both being 3D fighters (not even done in the same way mind you) they have literally nothing in common. ARMS has nowhere near the combo potential of Tekken, and likewise TEKKEN doesn't have the literal reach of an ARMS character. Just because they're in the same subgenre doesn't mean that the games play anything alike. This is a worse take then saying Geno would be too similar to Mega-man and Mii gunner.

 

[Deleted member]

I think there’s one thing the thread hasn’t talked about. If Geno was in Subspace Emissary, what would his role be and the character interactions aside from the SMRPG cast?

 

[Firox]

Then they fool everyone and Namco's rep is Agumon.

Dude, I'd Digi-volve the **** out of Agumon. Wargreymon for his Final Smash or I riot.

 

[MattX20]

I think there’s one thing the thread hasn’t talked about. If Geno was in Subspace Emissary, what would his role be and the character interactions aside from the SMRPG cast?

Doing his usual heroics and guarding the world from evil invasion

 

[Nanami77]

I'm apparently not at all in the know, I didn't hear of any of this, god damn. This year really is cursed, huh?

Yeah, North Korea bombed an inter Korean embassy and 3 India soldiers were killed by China forces at the border standoff.

All within the past 24 hours.

 

[Enigma735]

I wanna apologize for thinking a Tekken rep would play like an ARMS rep. I never really played Tekken myself, but watched videos of it on YouTube so I shouldn't have jumped the gun and I didn't mean to sound like a detractor. Even though I don't think Heihachi is CP7 myself, I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions about how they would play, and I also don't want people mad at me either. I'm sorry.

 

[MattX20]

I wanna apologize for thinking a Tekken rep would play like an ARMS rep. I never really played Tekken myself, but watched videos of it on YouTube so I shouldn't have jumped the gun and I didn't mean to sound like a detractor. Even though I don't think Heihachi is CP7 myself, I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions about how they would play, and I also don't want people mad at me either. I'm sorry.

We all make mistakes, no harm done

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Something I think people don't note about the "leaked Sabi/Verge DM" is the fact that if it was a Discord dm between just them, the only way it would've leaked is if one of them either gave it to somebody to leak or they never actually said it and its fake. I'm 100% willing to bet that this is a fake "dm."

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ok serious question. I know Digimon was a tamagochi thing originally but does that really count as a video game rep?

Yes.

Because they're completely video games. They're electronic games with controls. The difference between that as a Gameboy is one has a removal cartridge.

Keep in mind these were called "toys" for marketing reasons, due to video games still being treated as very unimportant things. The term later on stuck. To note, Pinball Machines are also Video Games too. Game & Watch had one game per system as a problem sometimes, which is part of why Electronic Toys(in this case, the Video Game version of those, since that can include stuff like R.O.B.) became slowly unpopular. People aren't bothered by Arcade Machines as much since it's just a quick time passer and has multiplayer too. And those died out on their own. Reality is, people want more than just a screen and buttons, they want multiple games per system now. So it's pretty hard to sell ones that are more traditional video games these days. They were even sold at places like McDonald's and have died out. Though to be fair, those are low-quality by design for manufacturing purposes. And so they don't cost too much to sell on their own.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Or they pick Klonoa.
I often joke about that , but a light weight grappler with good air speed isn't a common archetype in Smash. Crusade made a good proof of concept moveset for him. (Well his air grab is slightly broken lol)

I know that Nintendo has the say in who they pick , but for all we know , Nintendo asked for a Bamco character , and Bamco could take that opportunity with Klonoa since that whole Kaze no Klonoa encore hint at a remake. Sakurai could simply be interested in the moveset for the little guy , too.

Yeah , it's unlikely , but I prefer to mention the possibility now. When it come to Bamco , I really got the feeling everyone fight over Lloyd and Heihachi , and that Nightmare dude. (wich I always think is the Kirby baddie lol) So some variety is always nice.

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I know we talked about it for a while , but didn't Sakurai initially mentionned he only wanted to add 1 or 2 bonus characters , but ended up doing a full second pass ? While we don't know who he could have thought about , I still wonder... If I was Sakurai and could only add 2 more characters to the game , anyone , who would I pick ?
Of course Sakurai's personnal preferences don't dictate everything , but this line of thinking make me a bit more hopeful for Geno.

I would love Klonoa so much, but I've lost hope in that. Namco just doesn't seem to want anything to do with the franchise. Banjo-Kazooie at least would get nostalgia merch and references by the company. Namco seems to just want to bury Klonoa

--The anime movie got canned
--The webcomic continuation got canned
--They had so little confidence in the Wii Remake that it was quietly released at the end of the consoles lifecycle with very little advertising, and the ads that were marketed as like a game for toddlers

Lloyd and Nightmare seem like the two biggest contenders for a Smash spot in my eyes

 

[zferolie]

Or they pick Klonoa.
I often joke about that , but a light weight grappler with good air speed isn't a common archetype in Smash. Crusade made a good proof of concept moveset for him. (Well his air grab is slightly broken lol)

I know that Nintendo has the say in who they pick , but for all we know , Nintendo asked for a Bamco character , and Bamco could take that opportunity with Klonoa since that whole Kaze no Klonoa encore hint at a remake. Sakurai could simply be interested in the moveset for the little guy , too.

Yeah , it's unlikely , but I prefer to mention the possibility now. When it come to Bamco , I really got the feeling everyone fight over Lloyd and Heihachi , and that Nightmare dude. (wich I always think is the Kirby baddie lol) So some variety is always nice.

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I know we talked about it for a while , but didn't Sakurai initially mentionned he only wanted to add 1 or 2 bonus characters , but ended up doing a full second pass ? While we don't know who he could have thought about , I still wonder... If I was Sakurai and could only add 2 more characters to the game , anyone , who would I pick ?
Of course Sakurai's personnal preferences don't dictate everything , but this line of thinking make me a bit more hopeful for Geno.

Klonoa would be awesome and a great puck but seems like Namco forgot he exists

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

>A global pandemic
>Societal lockdown
>Stock market crash and recession
>Impeachment Trial
>UK officially exiting EU
>UFOs declassified
>Mass riots in the US
>North and South Korea escalation
>India and China now on the brink of war

We're REALLY starting the decade like this, huh.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I would love Klonoa so much, but I've lost hope in that. Namco just doesn't seem to want anything to do with the franchise. Banjo-Kazooie at least would get nostalgia merch and references by the company. Namco seems to just want to bury Klonoa

--The anime movie got canned
--The webcomic continuation got canned
--They had so little confidence in the Wii Remake that it was quietly released at the end of the consoles lifecycle with very little advertising, and the ads that were marketed as like a game for toddlers

Lloyd and Nightmare seem like the two biggest contenders for a Smash spot in my eyes

While I agree that Klonoa is far from the biggest Smash contender... The recent trademarks make me really hopeful for some kind of remake.
https://www.dualshockers.com/klonoa-mister-driller-switch-remasters-trademark-bandai-namco/
Not to count that this isn't a renewal of the Klonoa trademark , it's a brand new title. The Klonoa renewal has been done a year or two before , and this kind of stuff isn't done every 2 years.
https://gonintendo.com/stories/326428-klonoa-trademark-renewed-earlier-this-month

But you know what makes me the most hopeful ? The katamari remaster... And the new Mr.Driller game. Because Mr.Driller got a new trademark at the same time as Klonoa. Not to count that the recent Klonoa twitter movement by @BroskiBae was one of the main things that kickstarted some interest into Klonoa again , even if it wasn't massive.

So I'm pretty confident in Klonoa having a small comeback , especially in this current day and age where platformers just arise from the dead. (If Bubsy and Ty the tasmanian tiger can get something , so can Klonoa. Heck , Kao the Kangaroo is getting something !)
While Klonoa for Smash is wishful thinking , it's not impossible to see a Klonoa Hat somewhere. Or even a deluxe costume as brawler (Gunner would look hella weird imo) if the Bamco character is heavily focused on Bamco content and nothing else.

This is my last message on the subject , I don't want to derail the thread , haha.

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Some nice ghibli Geno. I always thought Geno would fit very well in some kind of Ghibli movie , his design and story is magical and mythical enough , and could still deliver a strong message imo.

 

[Sigran101]

I wanna apologize for thinking a Tekken rep would play like an ARMS rep. I never really played Tekken myself, but watched videos of it on YouTube so I shouldn't have jumped the gun and I didn't mean to sound like a detractor. Even though I don't think Heihachi is CP7 myself, I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions about how they would play, and I also don't want people mad at me either. I'm sorry.

Oh you're totally good! It was an honest mistake. Sorry if I was too harsh.

 

[MisterMike]

waaaaaaaaait a minute
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NO, STOP IT! BAD DOG! Put that dirty thing back where you found it.

Okay, this might be overstating it. They made underwhelming games and then a dlc pack. And you don't even have to buy the dlc to transfer in the Pokemon in the expansion, which was all most people wanted. Overpriced, sure. Sleazy? Not at all. Certainly not EA levels.

But you have to buy Nintendo Switch Online and a Pokemon HOME subscription in order to trade with other people or use the GTS. That's about 30 dollarydoos on top of your 90 dollarydoo purchase for the game and xpansion pass.

Ok serious question. I know Digimon was a tamagochi thing originally but does that really count as a video game rep?

Well, R.O.B. is in the game despite not technically being a video game character.

 

[Polarthief]

Frankly, I find the theory that Geno HAS to be character 7 due to the significance of SEVEN STARS to be kind of stupid.

Literally no one has said Geno has to be #7 for that reason. The timing of him being #7 just makes a lot of sense, plus Sakurai likes to do silly stuff like that sometimes. If he's 8, that's totally fine too. If he doesn't show up by #8 though, that's when we start to get worried due to timing of things like the Copyright Takedowns and whatnot.

 

[axel_]

waaaaaaaaait a minute
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>ARMS character is Hero v2
>Cacodemon doesn't come with Doomguy, is the only Doom content
>Birdo costume

This outcome for Fighter 6 is so terrible that it's probably real.

 

[MattX20]

I just hope the rest of the pass doesn't take nearly this long for another character reveal.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

I just hope the rest of the pass doesn't take nearly this long for another character reveal.

It basically can’t, at least if they still plan on making their deadline of december 2021 (which sakurai has repeatedly said theyre easily on schedule developmentwise).

They gave a 23 month deadline to finish Fighter Pass 2 release and we’re already 6 months into that without a single actual reveal. We are at a point right now where we have about 17 months left for them to show and release 6 characters. At WORST we should average 1 character reveal and release every 3 months from here on out.

A big reason why FP7 is almost guaranteed to be announced with or shortly after the ARMS character is because like Sakurai said, they are on track, so doing this double reveal puts them back on a much more feasible track where we only need 4 characters over the remaining 16-17 months

 

[Sigran101]

I just hope the rest of the pass doesn't take nearly this long for another character reveal.

If it does we literally won't be done until late 2022/ early 2023. I don't think you have to worry about that.

 

[MattX20]

It basically can’t, at least if they still plan on making their deadline of december 2021 (which sakurai has repeatedly said theyre easily on schedule developmentwise).

They gave a 23 month deadline to finish Fighter Pass 2 release and we’re already 6 months into that without a single actual reveal. We are at a point right now where we have about 17 months left for them to show and release 6 characters. At WORST we should average 1 character reveal and release every 3 months from here on out.

A big reason why FP7 is almost guaranteed to be announced with or shortly after the ARMS character is because like Sakurai said, they are on track, so doing this double reveal puts them back on a much more feasible track where we only need 4 characters over the remaining 16-17 months

I really hope so. I don't think I can handle another 5 months with no reveals like this again, nor can the rest of the playerbase for that matter

 

[Polarthief]

I just hope the rest of the pass doesn't take nearly this long for another character reveal.

If we actually just waited 5 months for ONE character, I'm gonna blow a gasket. I don't think Ninty would be that insane and oblivious to only push out a half reveal in Q1 and the second half of that reveal at E3. 6 was delayed and needed more time, meaning their original plans would most likely have been 6 at Q1 and then 7 and 8 at E3, which still leads me to believe we're seeing 6-8 in a week.

 

[GenoToto]

Good afternoon, friends; I'm passing through to provide some more little facts and things that I've stumbled across on Social Media. This is some slightly unfortunate news, depending on how you look at this, although for others, this may be something of a bit of closure.

It seems a listing of all the plushies from the run that included the likes of Boshi and Mallow has been found and presented to us, and the long-sought Geno plushie from this run... has been confirmed to have not existed at all, it seems. The mystery of this missing plush is that there was no plush TO be missing. Which is incredibly strange, considering the one character that was canonically a toy was never himself made into a plush toy

I'm a little saddened that an official product never existed, but at the same time, I won't sit here wondering if such a thing had just been lost to time forever.

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