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— matt2san is off to the stars! (archived) (@matt2san) May 26, 2020
This trailer would be the best way for detractors to get BTFO'd. Let's make them think they have their satisfaction, when really it is OUR satisfaction.
Let Geno Smash
Sakurai made these statements in early May:
I don't play much online matches much, so this doesn't bother me. As long as the team is safe and that progress is relatively smooth, I've no reason to complain
https://cogconnected.com/2020/05/sakurai-updates-smash-ultimate/
Basically says that not only the team has yet to run into any major problems but, ironically, the team is actually working better under these conditions. To the despair of competitive players, this is also where he says that they're focusing entirely in getting DLC done so plans to fix Ultimate's online are pretty much postponed until they're done with Season 2. I take these as good signs because, when Sakurai's having problems, he's pretty straightforward about it. Whenever he's sick or injured or super stressed out he doesn't try to cover it up so I totally believe Sakurai when he says that things are going smoothly.
[cries in having not seen the local Smash community in almost three months]
'While under these restrictions, we learned that we actually get more done and at no added stress or difficulty. So we were able to make even more characters.
https://cogconnected.com/2020/05/sakurai-updates-smash-ultimate/
Basically says that not only the team has yet to run into any major problems but, ironically, the team is actually working better under these conditions. To the despair of competitive players, this is also where he says that they're focusing entirely in getting DLC done so plans to fix Ultimate's online are pretty much postponed until they're done with Season 2. I take these as good signs because, when Sakurai's having problems, he's pretty straightforward about it. Whenever he's sick or injured or super stressed out he doesn't try to cover it up so I totally believe Sakurai when he says that things are going smoothly.
Are there... actual plans to fix it? I don't play online, but if it wasn't absolute crap, I might be inclined to.
Excuse me i forgot that
https://cogconnected.com/2020/05/sakurai-updates-smash-ultimate/
Basically says that not only the team has yet to run into any major problems but, ironically, the team is actually working better under these conditions. To the despair of competitive players, this is also where he says that they're focusing entirely in getting DLC done so plans to fix Ultimate's online are pretty much postponed until they're done with Season 2. I take these as good signs because, when Sakurai's having problems, he's pretty straightforward about it. Whenever he's sick or injured or super stressed out he doesn't try to cover it up so I totally believe Sakurai when he says that things are going smoothly.
Not gonna ****ing lie man, this is lit. If this was the Pass i would buy the entire thing no question.
Brb gotta change my name. Also obligatory uwu~
Yeah for sure. I personally think Crash has a better chance over Rayman, only because of the Ubisoft stuff that came with Byleth, but that's just me. I'm not even a huge fan of some of these picks, but overall, assuming the ARMS rep is a spirit promotion (or a Hero/Jr.-style fighter), this has:
Three things:
Who or what could it possibly be? Unless we're getting Splatoon 3 and they're gonna have all new weapons, it'd be an echo, and unless they want to commit false marketing, FP2 isn't going to have echoes. I don't see a Splatoon rep happening without a drastic gameplay change, not by a long shot.
Those just seem to be fun little coincidences aside from maybe the latter. I think ARMS at least didn't get anything playable wise while Splatoon did. Out of all IP they could choose I'd be confused if it were Splatoon
At bare minimum, we'll see a 3rd party reveal for sure beyond the ARMS rep. If we get two, even better
Part of me says yeah we're getting a new splatoon or a spin off or DLC, another part of me is thinking that splatoon 2 is suddenly getting all this love is because of the pandamic and nintendo just wanted to give people another reason to play splat 2. I could be HELLA WRONG about the smash DLC. (and honestly I'll be glad if I am) but now it's gonna be in the back of my head and this will be the last time I bring this up until the DLC announcement
They only said FPV1 wouldn’t have echoes, iirc. And Octoling could be a Wolf-style semi clone or even fully unique, imo.
To be fair, in a few days it’s Splatoon’s 5th anniversary so...
That would be the biggest "**** you" to say these characters are extra and then pull something like that though. ARMS would have been in FP1/base if Ultimate came out later, and it's why I think Rex is on his way. I just don't see a "shill rep for Splatoon 3" happening.
If you advertise Challenger Packs and a Fighter's Pass to not have echoes, then start selling more packs and a second Fighter's Pass, it's the same thing. Being like "OH BUT WE DIDN'T *EXPLICITLY* SAY IT'S NOT ECHOES! XD" wouldn't fly in court. That's extremely misleading and I see Nintendo easily losing that lawsuit.
Honestly, it just seems like a waste to do it. We just got Inkling and they'd still be very similar. If they wanted to make a bonus DLC for Octoling as a semi-clone, sure go ahead, but you should absolutely not pull that with the pass, especially when all 5 FP1 characters were brand new and not like previous characters. Yeah Terry uses a mechanic of previously-existing characters, but he still doesn't play like them.
Following Fatmanonice's recap, I too agree with the possibility of us seeing not only who CP 6 will be, but also CP 7 and 8. As it's been brought up before, the ARMS character most likely was ready by around April and was held back for... reasons. However, since the ARMS character being CP 6, and as Sakurai has expressed was a request from Nintendo to pretty much make him the Vol. 2 starter (correct?), then CPs 7 and 8 should be pretty much on standby to be revealed around what would have been this year's E3 week. Last year we got the double dose with Hero + Banjo (two third parties) on the same E3 2019 Direct. A Smash Direct would actually be fitting in order to reveal all three (perhaps why Sakurai and co. have taken a bit more time in ultimately revealing the ARMS fighter). Also, to toss another possibility into the mix; what if they end up tossing some extra content in the upcoming CP 6 update (a new mode perhaps)?
I'm still in the camp of Splatoon 3 or a notable spin-off like Splatoon x Jet Set Radio Future (I ****in' wish...). I mostly think this because the leaked Splatoon Amiibo dump in the fall is super suspicious. If it was Smash related, the Inkling would be woomy-ing all over the ****in' place but its notably MIA. The Mario rereleases are very obviously for the 35th anniversary and, at the very least, the Zelda ones are likely for BotW2 so why are the Splatoon ones getting a massive rerelease except, you know, the only Splatoon character in Smash? That's super weird.
....Uh oh
Which does not apply to Pass 2. Unless they explicitly stated Echoes are not part of Pass 2, it is not and never will be false advertising. You would lose hard in court for trying to state so. You can't make the claim without backing it up. Precedent is not a statement. Remember when Fighter's Pass 1 was 3rd party only? That's equivalent to the claim you're making here. "It's happened before so it will happen again" is a fallacy. You can apply a lot of arguments to it, including Spirits and AT's. For good reasons, those are terrible arguments too.
Theory kind of falls apart when ARMS isn't really a shill pick. If it was advertisement for ARMS 2 it probably would have been announced by now.
They clearly advertised ARMS(1) in itself. The only way it'd be a character from ARMS 2 is if it's definitely one of the ones in ARMS 1.
ARMS 2 Could have been announced in E3...but due to what is currently going on I'm pretty sure things have changed. its possible it could be announced in the fall
lol that’s the thing about echoes, they are only echoes because Nintendo wants them to be echoes.Its just easier for development.
i will be extremely happy about this!
Woah woah woah, that's quite a line. They never once said challenger packs will be 3rd party, but did explicitly say "we're not talking about echo fighters". Setting that as a precedent and not saying "btw echoes may be in this time" definitely sets up for massive disappointment if we suddenly get an echo out of nowhere. Echoes aren't remotely close to the amount of work needed to make a brand new character, especially if they're a 1 to 1 clone in terms of hitboxes, damage, mechanics, etc. Semi-clones like Lucas still do take plenty of work, especially since you need to tweak damage, hitboxes, and any other effects (even though I don't think they should be FP packs either), but straight up Echoes take very little in comparison. Charging the premium $5.99 (or a $5 chunk of the pass) for an echo would be insane. The backlash would be tremendous even if it was an echo that the community would like to see (of which though, I can't immediately think of any), and I'm not talking Byleth-level backlash, I'm talking beyond it. As a bonus character though, no one would bat an eye at that because they didn't pre-pay for it.
Except it's the same as FP1 with one additional character. They advertised it the same, just without explicitly stating again that there aren't any echoes. Yes, I would absolutely claim that as misleading. If there is something different with FP2 in that we're getting explicitly less-quality characters but still paying the same price overall (well +$5, but we get an extra character), that's total BS. Even if the courts disagreed, it would still absolutely be misleading.
Yeah, like I said, I could totally see that happening (if we are getting bonuses). I'm still kinda surprised Birdo isn't in Smash as an echo/more-than-semi-clone of Yoshi (it would be kinda weird, but I think people would accept it).
Okay and that's fine, but I don't see them doing even a semi-clone as an FP DLC pack. You can't claim these characters are "truly extras" and then be like "lul Splatoon 3 echo/clone". That just goes against what Sakurai has been saying. If you were planning to do a Splatoon 3 shill rep, you wouldn't be putting it in a pass that almost didn't even happen.
I don't see how this remotely applies to Pass 2 as any official statement. None of this is relevant to it. I can't find his original statement, but it's clear he meant Pass 1 by design. There was no Pass 2 when the statement was clearly made. So why should it apply to Pass 2 beyond precedent? That's literally the only thing going for it right now within your core argument.
Cool. I don't either. I see no actual evidence to support it either.
There's nothing misleading because they did not advertise it as "no Echoes". I can't find these statements with any Google Searches either, but I don't see how Pass 1 is equivalent to Pass 2. They're absolutely different statements, because only one legitimately says "No echoes". Likewise, we could also not get a Spirit Board, and since it wasn't advertised in either Pass, it wouldn't be misleading either. That's also the same situation here.
It depends how much music there is too. 6 dollars for all the work they do on the stages, characters, animations, and licensing music? 6 dollars is actually not unfair either.
This would be the perfect roster for me. If Nintendo listened well to a lot of fans after the November direct, this is the second pass they would make.
The ARMS reveal stated they needed more development time due to their strecthy ARMS apparently. I think it's mostly beta testing and bug fixings , not moveset stuff.
Ah. So the Nintendo Direct.