Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MisterMike]

LMAO, this Mario and Square Amiibo theory is stupid. As someone who's seen the Grinch Leak crash and burn despite conicidences, Cloud getting reprinted alongside Mario means jack.

Cloud's an expensive amiibo right now. The Mario ones tend to not be nearly as expensive. It makes sense for Nintendo to reprint a rare amiibo alongside the more common ones. It's a reasonable explanation of why Cloud specifically got chosen.

Yeah probably, but it's still more worth talking about than Blocked Content.

 

[Kremling Kommander]

Probably not but the timing is extremely interesting, along with the fact of which Amiibo they're rereleasing. The Zelda ones are the realistic main Zelda characters, Mario is Mario,Luigi, Peach and... Boo, and Splatoon is there too but no Smash Inkling. Cloud and Ryu being rereleased with these first party dumps is particularly interesting too. Cloud may very well zone in on 7 being Square Enix but why is Ryu there? Only thing I can think of is Ryu is liscensed under Capcom USA, potentially suggesting he's being rereleased with a western character. As you said, that's a ton of Amiibo for a single day and may be an indication of two even three future Amiibo waves.

Kremling Kommander I don't know. My friend pointed out to me that rumor that was passed along to them and the fact Nintendo recently renewed the copyrights of a bunch of Zelda stuff. I also remember Aonuma heavily entertaining a Skyward Sword Remaster back in 2018 so, if I had to guess based on the Amiibo rereleases, Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and Skyward Sword HD in one package but that's just a guess.

Ok, thanks for the clarity. I would ABSOLUTELY be down if all 3D Zeldas bar BOTW were sold as one remastered package.

 

[Powerman293]

Bro, cool your jets, some of us do this for fun

I am pretty turned off to any facts pointing towards a specific character at this point. There are just so many things that happen in the world and Smash fans make the most tenuous connection to the most minor things.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So, I decided to sit on some theorycraft until it was nice and toasty and decided to think about Ryu from a different angle. I presented the idea that the Smash Amiibo rereleases would probably be themed in some way. The rereleases of K. Rool, Isabelle, and Plant leaked in February and, sure enough, 6 wound up being 1st party. Now we have another potential leak that suggests a buttload of Mario and Zelda Smash amiibos along with Cloud and Ryu. As I said, Ryu is the odd man out but maybe this is deliberate. Let's think of it this way... what if Nintendo wants to rerelease all the unique third party character additions before Smash Ultimate wraps up? Let's map this out:

6:
7:
8:
9:
10:
11:

Each Amiibo wave brings new Amiibo so let's fill in the basics:

6: Joker
7: Hero
8: Banjo
9: Terry
10: Byleth
11: Probably when they start to release the Season 2 Amiibo

Joker is paired with a bunch of first party characters and so are Hero, Cloud, and Ryu according to this most recent leak. What could this tell us? As of right now, there's currently 8 unique (not echoes) third party characters that have already had Amiibo releases. There's a decent chance that these 8 could be split among the remaining Amiibo waves. Joker is technically SEGA so there's a decent chance that he could come with a rerelease of Sonic, for example.

6: Joker (Sonic)
7: Hero (Cloud and Ryu)
8: Banjo
9: Terry
10: Byleth
11: 6 and probably more

Based on my hypothesis, this already knocks out 3 of the 8. Now, let's take a look at my prediction for companies in Season 2:

6: Nintendo (ARMS)
7: Square (Geno)
8: "Western" (my theory is Activision and Crash)
9: Namco (Lloyd or Heihachi)
10: Capcom (Dante)
11: Microsoft (Master Chief)

Let's start inserting characters based on this model and theming:

6: Joker, Sonic
7: Hero, Cloud, Ryu
8: Banjo
9: Terry, Pacman
10: Byleth, Megaman, Bayonetta
11: ?, Snake

I admit that I don't know where I would stick Simon but this model suggests he'd be shoehorned into 8 for the sake of completition. Of course, this could be extended to include all the returning cut characters and newcomers to get a rerelease but I would need to dwell on this longer to determine where I think they would possibly go.

 

[MattX20]

So, I decided to sit on some theorycraft until it was nice and toasty and decided to think about Ryu from a different angle. I presented the idea that the Smash Amiibo rereleases would probably be themed in some way. The rereleases of K. Rool, Isabelle, and Plant leaked in February and, sure enough, 6 wound up being 1st party. Now we have another potential leak that suggests a buttload of Mario and Zelda Smash amiibos along with Cloud and Ryu. As I said, Ryu is the odd man out but maybe this is deliberate. Let's think of it this way... what if Nintendo wants to rerelease all the unique third party character additions before Smash Ultimate wraps up? Let's map this out:

6:
7:
8:
9:
10:
11:

Each Amiibo wave brings new Amiibo so let's fill in the basics:

6: Joker
7: Hero
8: Banjo
9: Terry
10: Byleth
11: Probably when they start to release the Season 2 Amiibo

Joker is paired with a bunch of first party characters and so are Hero, Cloud, and Ryu according to this most recent leak. What could this tell us? As of right now, there's currently 8 unique (not echoes) third party characters that have already had Amiibo releases. There's a decent chance that these 8 could be split among the remaining Amiibo waves. Joker is technically SEGA so there's a decent chance that he could come with a rerelease of Sonic, for example.

6: Joker (Sonic)
7: Hero (Cloud and Ryu)
8: Banjo
9: Terry
10: Byleth
11: 6 and probably more

Based on my hypothesis, this already knocks out 3 of the 8. Now, let's take a look at my prediction for companies in Season 2:

6: Nintendo (ARMS)
7: Square (Geno)
8: "Western" (my theory is Activision and Crash)
9: Namco (Lloyd or Heihachi)
10: Capcom (Dante)
11: Microsoft (Master Chief)

Let's start inserting characters based on this model and theming:

6: Joker, Sonic
7: Hero, Cloud, Ryu
8: Banjo
9: Terry, Pacman
10: Byleth, Megaman, Bayonetta
11: ?, Snake

I admit that I don't know where I would stick Simon but this model suggests he'd be shoehorned into 8 for the sake of completition. Of course, this could be extended to include all the returning cut characters and newcomers to get a rerelease but I would need to dwell on this longer to determine where I think they would possibly go.

Interesting theory.

 

[Fatmanonice]

LMAO, this Mario and Square Amiibo theory is stupid. As someone who's seen the Grinch Leak crash and burn despite conicidences, Cloud getting reprinted alongside Mario means jack.

Cloud's an expensive amiibo right now. The Mario ones tend to not be nearly as expensive. It makes sense for Nintendo to reprint a rare amiibo alongside the more common ones. It's a reasonable explanation of why Cloud specifically got chosen.

Honestly it could mean nothing or it could mean everything.

That's kind of the nature of speculation and, yes, this particular case has a ton of coincidences stacked up. It's an Amiibo dump in September which is Mario's 35th anniversary, the likely month of 7's release which is likely to include Hero's Amiibo and coincidentally has Cloud coming too. Yes, this could all collapse into nothing and people would demand my execution to be livestreamed on Twitch but even I admit that's part of the appeal of doing this year after year: you never totally know what's going to happen.

 

[ActualGarbage]

Honestly it could mean nothing or it could mean everything.

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That's kind of the nature of speculation and, yes, this particular case has a ton of coincidences stacked up. It's an Amiibo dump in September which is Mario's 35th anniversary, the likely month of 7's release which is likely to include Hero's Amiibo and coincidentally has Cloud coming too. Yes, this could all collapse into nothing and people would demand my execution to be livestreamed on Twitch but even I admit that's part of the appeal of doing this year after year: you never totally know what's going to happen.

The only question I have about all this amiibo tat is; is Boo getting restocked over here as well? Cause as an amiibo collector who doesn't have Boo yet I REALLY need to know or I'm gonna end up turning into a ghost myself.

 

[cosmicB]

Geno's Mii would of came back with Hero.
Sugiuyama, Horii, nor Armor Project would have nothing to do with that.
SquareEnix is one company, many people forget this when it comes to discussion, there is no reason to split the Mii's up, and if this is really because "They wanted it to be only Dragon Quest", they would of played the Dragon Quest music during the Mii Presentation.

Also, they would have no reason to do that, there would be no point in stressing out the team so much to delay Mii costumes for no reason.

Also also, Joker, which is owned by Atlus, which is owned by Sega, still got the old Sonic Mii's.
And Hero, oddly enough only has 4 Mii Costumes when, they only have 2 left, adding those back would make 6, the perfect amount.

They wouldn't allow a request to stop Mii costumes and wait over a year to add it back when they could of, easily, added it back any time.
Also, the overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to another Square rep is, really, amazing.
Also also, Geno's Mii being missing on any fronts, then having Mallow and Smithy Miis leak, showed a sign that, when FP2 was greenlit, they went with Geno to be the rep.

Either way, it's a good situation.

I wrote for a website that had contact with several Square ambassadors. I'm relatively familiar with the relationship between subsidiaries and partners (and some nonsensical managerial issues that SQEX seems unique in). None of this is me saying it's definitely what happened, just that having some insight, it's a possibility.

Atlus and Sega is a bit different because Atlus' autonomy ends at the developmental stage and has little to do with ownership. Like I said, the only real comparison between Armor Project, the individuals involved, and SQEX is Pokemon ownership split between 3 entities. It's just not THAT much of a web rights nonsense because the ratio isn't entirely equal like that.

 

[Fatmanonice]

The only question I have about all this amiibo tat is; is Boo getting restocked over here as well? Cause as an amiibo collector who doesn't have Boo yet I REALLY need to know or I'm gonna end up turning into a ghost myself.

No clue. The leak was Polish but I don't think the waves and rereleases have differed too much by country. Boo's another odd one because while Mario, Luigi, and Peach make total sense for the 35th anniversary, Boo is another one that seems kind of out of place especially since Bowser is MIA.

 

[MisterMike]

No clue. The leak was Polish but I don't think they waves and rereleases have differed too much by country. Boo's another odd one because while Mario, Luigi, and Peach make total sense for the 35th anniversary, Boo is another one that seems kind of out of place especially since Bowser is MIA.

To be fair, the Boo amiibo is cute as ****. Also it glows in the dark.

 

[Fatmanonice]

On the topic of coincidences:

Gap between Joker and Hero: roughly 3 1/2 months.

Gap between 6's probable release and this Amiibo leak's placeholder: roughly 3 1/2 months.

Point is that this Amiibo wave is very highly probable to be attached to 7 by these metrics and we've already established that this ass rams into a ton of other coincidences if 7 really is Geno. Two Smash Mario Amiibo and two Smash Square Enix Amiibo during the month of the 35th Mario anniversary is definitely a perfect storm of sorts.

 

[ActualGarbage]

To be fair, the Boo amiibo is cute as ****. Also it glows in the dark.

It's also like $100+ everywhere you look. I want this cute little piece of garbage but I don't wanna have to sell a kidney for it.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Based on how things have played out today I'm kind of curious about how Season 2's release schedule will be and if it'll resemble Season 1. Here's how Season 1 went down:

Joker to Hero: about 3 1/2 months

Hero to Banjo: about a month

Banjo to Terry: about 2 months

Terry to Byleth: almost 3 months

If we were to set these exact time spans for Season 2, our release date estimates would be:

6: Early June
7:Mid to late September
8: Mid to late October
9: December
10: Mid to late February
11: April or May based on averages

Unless there's some extreme stalling, we're still very likely to get at least half of Season 2 released in 2020 and at least 4 announced. Like I said, the leaked Amiibo wave lines up with this but we'll see if the rest of it holds.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

I think it's the same situation as the Best Buy leak back in February: brand new Amiibo announcements are going to be held off until their respective presentations to avoid spoilers. I used that leak to supplement rumors and my own theory that 6 would be first party and that wound up true. Now we have the very likely prospect of multiple Amiibo waves with Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Square and... Ryu for some reason as the focus. The timing suggests that these will be tied to summer announcements and some will likely be connected to 7, possibly even 8 too.

Could Ryu potentially hint to another Capcom character like Dante?

Ryu... Phoenix Wright's japanese name is Ryuichi Naruhodo...

 

[Enigma735]

This is more of a me thing, but for the longest time I misinterpreted the render as Geno's eyes looking up and the non-shadowed part of his nose to be his lip/mouth or something.

Thank god I'm not the only one who thought that when I first saw the render haha.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Like I mapped out, in my theory 9 would very likely come with Terry and Pac-Man which once again emphasizes that the highly likely second Namco rep will probably be a photo finish between Lloyd and Heihachi. Terry's Amiibo would be super appropriate for Heihachi release for obvious reasons especially in the light that we have strong evidence that the original plan was to have him as a Mii costume in Pack 4. Still, on the topic of Geno and Square Enix, this discussion point of rereleases matching Fighter's Pass characters is turning into a deep rabbit hole.

For example, remember how I brought up Joker coming with 6 probably points to Sonic being rereleased too? This actually makes a decent amount of sense because SEGA is already prepping for Sonic's 30th anniversary and, originally, the plan was to have a Sonic related announcement every single month until 2021. The timing works out pretty well. We've already noted how Mario and Square rereleases in September is super great time timing because of Mario's 35th. Notice how in my model that 9 is a Namco character and would be released in December if it followed similar time gaps to the Fighter's Pass. What's significant about December? The 25th anniversary of the Tales series. This might have been intentional. Still, I'm glad this leak happened because it opens a lot of channels of discussion.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Like I mapped out, in my theory 9 would very likely come with Terry and Pac-Man which once again emphasizes that the highly likely second Namco rep will probably be a photo finish between Lloyd and Heihachi.

I'll be honest, I'm still on Team Nightmare for the Namco spot; it's been almost 20 years since Link and Nightmare crossed blades, it's time for a rematch!

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

Like I mapped out, in my theory 9 would very likely come with Terry and Pac-Man which once again emphasizes that the highly likely second Namco rep will probably be a photo finish between Lloyd and Heihachi.

I was thinking...
What are the chances of the Namco rep. to be Reiji Arisu and Xiaomu from Project X Zone/Namco X Capcom? I know it's highly unlikely but i'd like to hear your toughts

 

[Polarthief]

Like I mapped out, in my theory 9 would very likely come with Terry and Pac-Man which once again emphasizes that the highly likely second Namco rep will probably be a photo finish between Lloyd and Heihachi.

Notice how in my model that 9 is a Namco character and would be released in December if it followed similar time gaps to the Fighter's Pass. What's significant about December? The 25th anniversary of the Tales series. This might have been intentional.

Honestly based on these coincidences plus Lloyd's missing costume, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets in. Yeah too many swordsmen, but he'd be the first to dual wield them and wouldn't at all play like a traditional swordfighter. Plus I mean, every FP's gotta have at least one swordsman, right? FP1 only has THREE of them (if you count knives as small swords).

Still, on the topic of Geno and Square Enix, this discussion point of rereleases matching Fighter's Pass characters is turning into a deep rabbit hole.

I know, it's so fun. When he's revealed, it's gonna be even more fun to look back on all the "coincidences" people (both people here and not) have tried to tear down.

We've already noted how Mario and Square rereleases in September is super great time timing because of Mario's 35th.

Basically with this line of thinking, you're saying Geno will specifically be #7 and not #8, yeah?

I'll be honest, I'm still on Team Nightmare for the Namco spot; it's been almost 20 years since Link and Nightmare crossed blades, it's time for a rematch!

That'd be cool too; I used to love SC, especially the second on Gamecube. If the Namco rep is Lloyd or an SC rep I'd be pretty stoked about that. Wouldn't necessarily mind Heihachi; I just never played Tekken so he'd be like Terry to me.

Also speaking specifically about Link in SC2, I found it hilarious how many noises he made in that game, by far more than any Zelda game, it was great.

 

[Malo Mart]

Detractors when Geno inevitably makes his way into Smash:

By the way, yes! I just beat SMRPG again. I'll probably talk more about it later, but for now I'll just say this: I'm really glad I've got to play it just in time!

 

[Lord Woomy]

Detractors when Geno inevitably makes his way into Smash:

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By the way, yes! I just beat SMRPG again. I'll probably talk more about it later, but for now I'll just say this: I'm really glad I've got to play it just in time!

"NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST INCLUDE GENO OVER MY ANIME WAIFU. IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO END LIKE THIS."

"Haha, Geno whirl go brrrrrrrrr"

 

[Malo Mart]

"NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST INCLUDE GENO OVER MY ANIME WAIFU. IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO END LIKE THIS."
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"Haha, Geno whirl go brrrrrrrrr"
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"harharhar so you want some dumbass boomer puppet from a 20 year old irrelevant game nobody cares about?"

 

[Polarthief]

"harharhar so you want some dumbass boomer puppet from a 20 year old irrelevant game nobody cares about?"

It really is sad that detractors mostly just go for the irrelevancy angle, despite characters like Pit (who I actually do think no one cared about) and Banjo-Kazooie being in, despite ROB being in of all things (that thing was terrible).

Like, what more of a character do they want? More anime swordsmen? He's a freaking spirit who possesses a doll and shoots BULLETS (also stars and small cannonballs) FROM HIS ARMS, as well as robot-like rocket punches, magic (Blast, Flash), lasers (Beam, Blast), and can even TRANSFORM INTO A CANNON AND SHOOT SOME WEIRD-ASS SUN THING (Flash). I really don't understand. Is he too unique or something? Also Geno Whirl is basically Destructo Disc from DBZ.

Seriously, I'd kill to know what characters the detractors want instead, and man will I be royally pissed if it's just "well-known Shooty McShoot" or "well-known anime swordsman". (Edit: Not hating on Shooty McShoot or Anime Swordsman, see below post if you think I am)

 

[Nicnac]

It really is sad that detractors mostly just go for the irrelevancy angle, despite characters like Pit (who I actually do think no one cared about) and Banjo-Kazooie being in, despite ROB being in of all things (that thing was terrible).

Like, what more of a character do they want? More anime swordsmen? He's a freaking spirit who possesses a doll and shoots BULLETS (also stars and small cannonballs) FROM HIS ARMS, as well as robot-like rocket punches, magic (Blast, Flash), lasers (Beam, Blast), and can even TRANSFORM INTO A CANNON AND SHOOT SOME WEIRD-ASS SUN THING (Flash). I really don't understand. Is he too unique or something? Also Geno Whirl is basically Destructo Disc from DBZ.

Seriously, I'd kill to know what characters the detractors want instead, and man will I be royally pissed if it's just "well-known Shooty McShoot" or "well-known anime swordsman".

Don't drag other people for what they want, my man. Apart from Geno, my top two are Doomguy and Dante (who are both well known gun-based characters and Dante uses a sword). I know it sucks when we get dragged through the mud for wanting our guy, which is why we've gotta be better than them.

 

[Polarthief]

Don't drag other people for what they want, my man.

By no means am I saying you can't like ShootyMcShoot or Anime Swordsman; I'm not even hating on those characters (even the ones I actively don't want in Smash), I'm just asking "well what are their favorite characters", and I wouldn't be surprised if they named off several well-known characters because they're "cool/edgy" or some other trait that is virtually like a lot of other existing characters.

Like I personally don't see what's so great about Sephiroth or MC (because I didn't play enough of their games); I'm sure they're fine characters and have plenty of great traits that make people want them, but I'm saying I could easily see the detractors want them because "they're edgy/cool" (respectively) which aren't the best of reasons to want a character in Smash; not because they're unique or something. They're plenty unique in the grand scheme of things. I'm not even hating on Sephiroth or MC FTR.

TL;DR: I'm not attacking the characters, I'm trying to wrap my head around the hate outside of "lol irrelevant" and I just don't get it.

Apart from Geno, my top two are Doomguy and Dante (who are both well known gun-based characters and Dante uses a sword).

Which is totally fine and you're free to like whoever you want. You're also not hating on other peoples' characters (AFAIK).

I know it sucks when we get dragged through the mud for wanting our guy, which is why we've gotta be better than them.

Have I said anything wrong or have been hating on any character (besides Urshifu)? Please do point out if I have.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

i like you all but your cockyness rubs me the wrong way

 

[Heoj]

i like you all but your cockyness rubs me the wrong way

I feel like thats a bit of a weird thing to say, but maybe thats just me.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I hope this isn't seen as inflammatory, but I have finally come around to the idea of Geno thanks to the upgraded Mii Costumes.
They are a perfect way to get him in the game, in my eyes, allowing him to get an approximate time and love spent on a character, without dissuading those that see other legacy Square Enix characters.

The Mii costume upgrades, at least to me, seem to be the perfect entry way for Geno to get in as a pseudo-playable character (and no, I wouldnt call the regular costumes any bit of consolation, they are horrid cosplay nightmare machines that somehow trigger the uncanny valley despite being elaborate smiley faces).

 

[Deleted member]

I hope this isn't seen as inflammatory, but I have finally come around to the idea of Geno thanks to the upgraded Mii Costumes.
They are a perfect way to get him in the game, in my eyes, allowing him to get an approximate time and love spent on a character, without dissuading those that see other legacy Square Enix characters.

The Mii costume upgrades, at least to me, seem to be the perfect entry way for Geno to get in as a pseudo-playable character (and no, I wouldnt call the regular costumes any bit of consolation, they are horrid cosplay nightmare machines that somehow trigger the uncanny valley despite being elaborate smiley faces).

Possible but extremely doubtful. Nintendo wouldn’t approach Square for an updated costume wasting time, money, and resources when they could just bring the old one back earning the same amount of money. We either get Geno or old costume. A costume but with a face does not make that much of a difference to me personally at least the fact they costumed him the second time.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Possible but extremely doubtful. Nintendo wouldn’t approach Square for an updated costume wasting time, money, and resources when they could just bring the old one back earning the same amount of money. We either get Geno or old costume. A costume but with a face does not make that much of a difference to me personally at least the fact they costumed him the second time.

I don't think it would be the same amount of money (or rather, that you could qualify that it does).
Some factors lead to more, some to less, and neither of them is based on data.
Less money: we are not at base game (a year and a half out from launch), and that means that some of the immediate purchases would be lost.
But what about the factors for more money?
There are people like you for sure.

And then there are also people like me, who much prefer the upgrades.
The new costumes really don't take that much time.

And then there are people that love the music.

Youre welcome to not care for the new costumes- but the reasoning above doesn't really feel on point to me.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think it would be the same amount of money.
There are people like you for sure.

And then there are also people like me, who much prefer the upgrades.
The new costumes really don't take that much time.

And then there are people that love the music.

Youre welcome to not care for the new costumes- but the reasoning above doesn't really feel on point to me.

What do you mean there are people like me for sure?

 

[pupNapoleon]

What do you mean there are people like me for sure?

People who feel how you do, and would not want to buy a Mii Upgraded costume.

 

[Heoj]

I hope this isn't seen as inflammatory, but I have finally come around to the idea of Geno thanks to the upgraded Mii Costumes.
They are a perfect way to get him in the game, in my eyes, allowing him to get an approximate time and love spent on a character, without dissuading those that see other legacy Square Enix characters.

The Mii costume upgrades, at least to me, seem to be the perfect entry way for Geno to get in as a pseudo-playable character (and no, I wouldnt call the regular costumes any bit of consolation, they are horrid cosplay nightmare machines that somehow trigger the uncanny valley despite being elaborate smiley faces).

I personally 100% disagree but i respect your post, i would be extremely disappointed if we just got a premium geno mii. I also think that the chances of a premium geno mii happening is around 0%. I dont have much of a reason for thinking this way but the fact that sakurai added the smash 4 geno mii literally to acknowledge genos popularity as a popular smash pick convinces me that their is no way that sakurai will put on a little extra sauce without actually doing the full thing. Imo its either no geno mii at all, or geno playable and thats pretty much all their is to it imo.
Plus an upgraded geno mii imo just doesn't work with what we know so far. First, all premium miis so far are indie, second, all premium miis come with 1 song, and third, none of the premium miis so far are upgrades. Theres also the idea that in order for a geno upgraded mii to happen it would involve some weird negotiations imo, like again, sakurai added the geno mii in smash 4 to throw us a bone because sakurai likes geno and he acknowledges genos popularity, so why would sakurai go back to geno and give him an upgrade but not make him fully playable, i mean the smash 4 geno mii had a splash screen for crying out load, i just dont see sakurai working with square and nintendo just to get one song and a half upgrade for geno.

edit: i mean, dont the normal miis and premium miis cost the same amount of money? cuz if they do then thats another reason for why an upgraded geno mii is highly unlikely so upgrading a mii to a premium mii just doesnt make much sense imo

 

[Nicnac]

By no means am I saying you can't like ShootyMcShoot or Anime Swordsman; I'm not even hating on those characters (even the ones I actively don't want in Smash), I'm just asking "well what are their favorite characters", and I wouldn't be surprised if they named off several well-known characters because they're "cool/edgy" or some other trait that is virtually like a lot of other existing characters.

Like I personally don't see what's so great about Sephiroth or MC (because I didn't play enough of their games); I'm sure they're fine characters and have plenty of great traits that make people want them, but I'm saying I could easily see the detractors want them because "they're edgy/cool" (respectively) which aren't the best of reasons to want a character in Smash; not because they're unique or something. They're plenty unique in the grand scheme of things. I'm not even hating on Sephiroth or MC FTR.

TL;DR: I'm not attacking the characters, I'm trying to wrap my head around the hate outside of "lol irrelevant" and I just don't get it.



Which is totally fine and you're free to like whoever you want. You're also not hating on other peoples' characters (AFAIK).



Have I said anything wrong or have been hating on any character (besides Urshifu)? Please do point out if I have.

Sorry, I must have totally misread you. Yeah, if I'm being honest, the hate surrounding Geno is ridiculous and is like the hate surrounding most popular picks like Sora or Waluigi- it's totally unneeded and spiteful.

i like you all but your cockyness rubs me the wrong way

Our guy has had a phoenix-esque rebirth of chances since he dodged the Hero Bullet and stuff just keeps getting added to The List (paging Polarthief ). While some stuff on The List may not mean anything, the coincidences just keep piling up, which makes it harder and harder to deny his chances, at least in my eyes. Some people here have been waiting upwards of 15 or 20 years for Geno in Smash, and now that he seems likelier than ever they aren't allowed to be confident?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Our guy has had a phoenix-esque rebirth of chances since he dodged the Hero Bullet and stuff just keeps getting added to The List (paging Polarthief Polarthief ). While some stuff on The List may not mean anything, the coincidences just keep piling up, which makes it harder and harder to deny his chances, at least in my eyes. Some people here have been waiting upwards of 15 or 20 years for Geno in Smash, and now that he seems likelier than ever they aren't allowed to be confident?

there is a difference between confidence and cockyness. Like I said, I eh..like you all but when your cocky it makes you come off as obnoxious. I aint saying you all shouldnt be confident, just dont get a swollen head

 

[Polarthief]

I hope this isn't seen as inflammatory, but I have finally come around to the idea of Geno thanks to the upgraded Mii Costumes.
They are a perfect way to get him in the game, in my eyes, allowing him to get an approximate time and love spent on a character, without dissuading those that see other legacy Square Enix characters.

The Mii costume upgrades, at least to me, seem to be the perfect entry way for Geno to get in as a pseudo-playable character (and no, I wouldnt call the regular costumes any bit of consolation, they are horrid cosplay nightmare machines that somehow trigger the uncanny valley despite being elaborate smiley faces).

Had he not already been a Mii costume, sure. Doing it again is NOT AT ALL a good compromise.

i like you all but your cockyness rubs me the wrong way

***** gonna be cocky. In all seriousness, I know I'm overconfident in Geno, but that's just me and my thinking. He's *gotta* be in and I've decided to go all in with that mentality.

Edit: Wait, "cocky" is totally fine, but the same word replacing a "y" with "s" isn't? Smashboards, you silly. I wonder if your naughty words filter is better than Game Freak's, so can I say "Cofagrigus"?
Edit 2: LOL, GAME FREAK, YOU GOT OUTDONE BY A GAME FORUM, GO HOME, YOU'RE DRUNK.

Sorry, I must have totally misread you.

S'all good. I do see how text without tone can make me come off as being an ass. I wasn't trying to bash any specific character (except Urshifu, obs). Even if your favorite character is literally named Shooty McShoot, that's totally cool. It's when your favorite character is Shooty McShoot and you're bashing Unique Doll Guy (or any character that isn't Urshifu for that matter), that's when I have problems.

and stuff just keeps getting added to The List (paging Polarthief .

*thumbsup*

there us a difference between confidence and cockyness. Like I said, I eh..like you all but when your cocky it makes you come off as obnoxious

Sorry not sorry. *shrug* I want Geno in, he's got tons of evidence, and I really do believe he's coming.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope this isn't seen as inflammatory, but I have finally come around to the idea of Geno thanks to the upgraded Mii Costumes.
They are a perfect way to get him in the game, in my eyes, allowing him to get an approximate time and love spent on a character, without dissuading those that see other legacy Square Enix characters.

The Mii costume upgrades, at least to me, seem to be the perfect entry way for Geno to get in as a pseudo-playable character (and no, I wouldnt call the regular costumes any bit of consolation, they are horrid cosplay nightmare machines that somehow trigger the uncanny valley despite being elaborate smiley faces).

The costumes with music has been nothing but indies so far. If that was the case of AAA developers, why not an Altair track or Goemon? I don’t see why Sakurai would want to go back making Geno a costume even though this may clearly be his chance of making him playable after Hero especially acknowledging his popularity and I’m sure Nintendo would be aware at this point. If all costumes will be .75 cents regardless of what status then it is not worth the time. Sorry, but I’m taking this upgraded premium costume thing with a grain of salt.

 

[DarkShadow20]

Another reason to doubt Geno as an upgraded Mii costume is that he would be yet another Mii Gunner. If we get anymore upgraded costumes, I expect them to be a Brawler and/or Swordsman.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

It really is sad that detractors mostly just go for the irrelevancy angle, despite characters like Pit (who I actually do think no one cared about) and Banjo-Kazooie being in, despite ROB being in of all things (that thing was terrible).

Like, what more of a character do they want? More anime swordsmen? He's a freaking spirit who possesses a doll and shoots BULLETS (also stars and small cannonballs) FROM HIS ARMS, as well as robot-like rocket punches, magic (Blast, Flash), lasers (Beam, Blast), and can even TRANSFORM INTO A CANNON AND SHOOT SOME WEIRD-ASS SUN THING (Flash). I really don't understand. Is he too unique or something? Also Geno Whirl is basically Destructo Disc from DBZ.

Seriously, I'd kill to know what characters the detractors want instead, and man will I be royally pissed if it's just "well-known Shooty McShoot" or "well-known anime swordsman". (Edit: Not hating on Shooty McShoot or Anime Swordsman, see below post if you think I am)

To be fair, we don't have a lot of shooty mcshoot shoot characters, so even if i don't care about them (unless we consider Marco Rossi and Bill Rizer shooty mchshoot) then i would prefer them over JRPG swordsmen filed with cliche storms (and this is coming from who wants Isaac, just because i like thse types of characters doesn't mean i have to go overly defensive when somone points out a understandable complain)

 

[pupNapoleon]

The costumes with music has been nothing but indies so far. If that was the case of AAA developers, why not an Altair track or Goemon. I don’t see why Sakurai would want to go back making Geno a costume even though this may clearly be his chance of making him playable after Hero especially acknowledging his popularity and I’m sure Nintendo would be aware of this point. If all costumes will be .75 cents regardless of what status then it is not worth the time. Sorry, but I’m taking this upgraded premium costume thing with a grain of salt.

I'm gonna summarize what I believe most people so far have quoted me stating, just to make sure I'm not misinterpretting. I'm not looking to counter argue unless it's asked, but it was my initial prompt.

- it's not worth the time to model a new costume
- the costume can only have one track (though I'm not sure what this has to do with the conversation of what's possible)
- it hasnt happened to a non Indie, so it cannot happen
- if it were going to be a full upgrade we'd have gotten it

The Mii Gunner comment was a new one, though, DarkShadow20