Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MattX20]

I put them at the same level because their histories in the Smash fanbase are pretty similar. Geno and Isaac are also similarly matched in that regard. All three of these characters are similar in how, despite being huge fan favorites, wouldn't really "wow" everyone to the point of probably even being covered by major publications. Snake, Megaman, Pac-Man, and Ryu are third party behemoths. Ridley was a character that was in literally every Smash game but always got snubbed. Banjo was a homecoming of epic proportions given he was technically once a Nintendo character but switched teams almost two decades prior. Again, I can wax poetic about Geno day and night and this has been my personal Smash crusade forever but if I honestly look at my personal predictions for Season 2 and had to pick one character from it that would be most appropriate to be the bombshell of E3 2020, I would have to go with Crash. Like I said, I'm still fairly confident in a triple but in the event of a double I think Geno will be a later reveal.

I'm personally thinking Geno's number 7 due to your theories from earlier, but Crash being still being revealed at E3 is possible

 

[YsDisciple]

From my predictions I would heavily side with Crash. Why? Capcom was basically the headliner for 2013 and 2015 so that rules out Dante in my eyes, Lloyd is honestly a Geno caliber character, and Microsoft was the headliner last year so that rules out Chief. In my opinion, Dante, Chief, and Crash are the ones strong enough to carry an E3 or VGA. Again, this isn't a jab at Geno but I feel if he's a Nintendo Direct headliner at his best (definitely not an insult when you consider K. Rool and Cloud got this treatment too). E3 is a whole other beast. E3 has been where Nintendo has made its biggest announcements of the year since, coincidentally, 1996. This is why I'm going to argue that if E3 this year is only a double, 7 is not Geno and I hard slide my chips on the headliner being Crash whether he's 7 or 8.

I agree with Crash being the potential E3 2020 Smash Fighters Pass Vol. 2 headliner (i.e., most likely revealed at the end of the direct). His inclusion would complete the Console Wars Triumvirate from the N64/Sega Saturn/PS1 era. Fortunately we've had quite a few noticeable games arrive on Nintendo consoles, but back in the day, Crash became THE de-facto rival for Mario. Actually, look at it this way. In the SNES days (or SNES Arc), Sonic was Mario's rival. After that generation passed, and the next gen consoles came along (the N64 Arc), Crash took that spot. Heh, reminds me of DBZ (Saiyans Arc with Vegeta, then Namek with Freeza).

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Ridley was a character that was in literally every Smash game but always got snubbed.

Ridley was a notorious character within the Smash fanbase and the only non-playable character to have a major meme associated with him before being playable. He has been requested for 17 years and is the recurring arch-nemesis to a beloved Nintendo icon. Also, him being this cool-looking dragon helped his appeal as a fan request. There really will never be quiet a character request like Ridley ever again.

 

[Powerman293]

I've been working on a video script, and I kinda realize that I don't think Sakurai and his team aren't super hung up about individual character picks as the fans are.

I think it may explain why we haven't gotten Geno yet.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Ridley was a notorious character within the Smash fanbase and the only non-playable character to have a major meme associated with him before being playable. He has been requested for 17 years and is the recurring arch-nemesis to a beloved Nintendo icon. Also, him being this cool-looking dragon helped his appeal as a fan request. There really will never be quiet a character request like Ridley ever again.

I don't disagree but I just kind of wanted to briefly summarize it. This is also a topic that adds to my argument about E3 being a kingmaker. Sakurai himself noted that Simon, Ridley, and K. Rool pretty much got in because of how heavily requested they were so why did Ridley win out? Like True Blue pointed out here, Ridley was newsworthy on his own. He was in every Smash game. He was a meme. He was the only Nintendo villain aside from Bowser who was a literal boss fight in multiple Smash games. He was publicly rejected by Sakurai multiple times. This is why his reveal at E3 2018 was a such a big deal and why K. Rool and Simon were left golf clapping in the background.

People may be shocked at my stance on Geno regarding E3 but Crash in Smash would be more meaningful to people as an E3 reveal. Crash once rivaled Mario and Sonic and for a few years was basically the defacto PlayStation mascot. Crash then went multiplatform and the games kind of tanked. Eventually it got to the point where he disappeared from gaming for close to a decade. Crash comes back in 2017 and is wildly successful. Two years later Crash Team Racing is released and Crash is basically re-cemented as a video game icon with a bright future. It's a compelling story. This isn't to say Geno's isn't but Crash's rise, fall, death, and return resonates with more people overall.

 

[SSGuy]

I don't disagree but I just kind of wanted to briefly summarize it. This is also a topic that adds to my argument about E3 being a kingmaker. Sakurai himself noted that Simon, Ridley, and K. Rool pretty much got in because of how heavily requested they were so why did Ridley win out? Like True Blue pointed out here, Ridley was newsworthy on his own. He was in every Smash game. He was a meme. He was the only Nintendo villain aside from Bowser who was a literal boss fight in multiple Smash games. He was publicly rejected by Sakurai multiple times. This is why his reveal at E3 2018 was a such a big deal and why K. Rool and Simon were left golf clapping in the background.

People may be shocked at my stance on Geno regarding E3 but Crash in Smash would be more meaningful to people as an E3 reveal. Crash once rivaled Mario and Sonic and for a few years was basically the defacto PlayStation mascot. Crash then went multiplatform and the games kind of tanked. Eventually it got to the point where he disappeared from gaming for close to a decade. Crash comes back in 2017 and is wildly successful. Two years later Crash Team Racing is released and Crash is basically re-cemented as a video game icon with a bright future. It's a compelling story. This isn't to say Geno's isn't but Crash's rise, fall, death, and return resonates with more people overall.

I see your point if you are referring to the size of Crash. More people know who Crash Bandicoot is compared to Geno. Could that same argument be made for Hero vs Banjo though? I do think if we get a double reveal at the Summer direct, then it is more likely we end up getting a presentation for the ARMS character alone. They did advertise he would be also releasing in June so I can only assume it's a same day drop like the Terry showcase or the Banjo one.

Crash at E3 is for sure the bigger name, but I think there is enough room for both Crash Bandicoot and our niche little star in a similar direct like E3 2019. Two comeback kings for sure.

 

[MattX20]

I see your point if you are referring to the size of Crash. More people know who Crash Bandicoot is compared to Geno. Could that same argument be made for Hero vs Banjo though? I do think if we get a double reveal at the Summer direct, then it is more likely we end up getting a presentation for the ARMS character alone. They did advertise he would be also releasing in June so I can only assume it's a same day drop like the Terry showcase or the Banjo one.

Crash at E3 is for sure the bigger name, but I think there is enough room for both Crash Bandicoot and our niche little star in a similar direct like E3 2019. Two comeback kings for sure.

Exactly, Dragon Quest is considered rather niche to a degree in the West, though 11 for the Switch certainly helped bring more exposure. Geno can certainly happen at E3, and while Crash is possible also, I'm banking on him being more of a fall direct reveal

 

[Rohanx17]

I was about to suggest something very similar to SSGuy so I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this train of thought. I think that there is a real possibility that both sides of the e3 reveal argument could be right. How? assuming the direct drops when e3 was going to happen what if we were to get an ARMS smash showcase the week before? It would play out exactly like the byleth one opening with the reveal trailer followed by the discussion and then the costumes. Then the week after we get the 2 reveal trailers shown off in some form just like last year. This way we stay at parity with were we were this time last year and the e3 presentation isn't bloated with all the smash content they would need to do it.

 

[Deleted member]

Don’t you think they could of saved Cloud for E3? The character was considered impossible back then since his game never been on a Nintendo console at that time. Dragon Quest is not as hype in the West and Banjo is bigger to Smash fans than casuals. He certainly no Sonic the Hedgehog. Even Mega Man is more iconic. The only characters that would make the casual and hardcore fans freak out would be Master Chief, Crash, Sora, and any other popular characters

 

[Powerman293]

Don’t you think they could of saved Cloud for E3? The character was considered impossible back then since his game never been on a Nintendo console at that time. Dragon Quest is not as hype in the West and Banjo is bigger to Smash fans than casuals. He certainly no Sonic the Hedgehog. Even Mega Man is more iconic. The only character that would make the casual and hardcore fans freak out would be Master Chief.

They already release 3 characters at E3 that year. And the character before Cloud was Ryu. So they had 2 home runs in a row.

 

[MattX20]

Don’t you think they could of saved Cloud for E3? The character was considered impossible back then since his game never been on a Nintendo console at that time. Dragon Quest is not as hype in the West and Banjo is bigger to Smash fans than casuals. He certainly no Sonic the Hedgehog. Even Mega Man is more iconic. The only character that would make the casual and hardcore fans freak out would be Master Chief.

Cloud to me is proof we can have massive character announcements outside of E3. Crash makes sense as an E3 reveal, but he could be just as easily shown off in the fall direct, and Geno's got a very good shot of being at E3 due to is huge request base

 

[Fatmanonice]

I see your point if you are referring to the size of Crash. More people know who Crash Bandicoot is compared to Geno. Could that same argument be made for Hero vs Banjo though? I do think if we get a double reveal at the Summer direct, then it is more likely we end up getting a presentation for the ARMS character alone. They did advertise he would be also releasing in June so I can only assume it's a same day drop like the Terry showcase or the Banjo one.

Crash at E3 is for sure the bigger name, but I think there is enough room for both Crash Bandicoot and our niche little star in a similar direct like E3 2019. Two comeback kings for sure.

But that's what I'm saying. I think both will happen at E3. Yes, Geno and Crash would definitely be very much like Hero and Banjo or, hell, Daisy and Ridley. I think people often forget what a big request Daisy was but, especially as an echo, she was never going to be a headliner.

On the topic of Smash reveals at E3, this trend goes back even further, arguably to 2006. Snake was the headliner but Metaknight, Pit, and Wario were big deals to the Smash fanbase. We see this again in 2013 with Villager accompanying Megaman. 2014 had Palutena, one of the most wanted characters at the time but not a lot of pull outside the Smash fanbase. 2015 had Lucas and Roy, two of the most wanted veterans after Mewtwo, and then Mr. Fighting Games himself Ryu. That's the thing... Every E3 with Smash in it is practically guaranteed two things: at least one character reveal that's significant to the Smash fanbase itself and a character that will effortlessly make the front page of any major gaming news site. This is yet another reason why I'm not hard sold on just 6 and 7 at E3.

ARMS doesn't really fall into either of the previous two categories. ARMS is kind of a third wheel here. The initial reaction three weeks ago kind of highlights that. It was controversial. Looking at Smash history at E3, I could reasonably compare it to Wii Fit and Miis. ARMS is definitely not Megaman or Ridley caliber but it's not Villager or Daisy caliber either. ARMS technically sets the bar even lower because it was somewhat spoiled almost three months in advance. This has never happened before in exact terms. The closest we've ever had is 2018 when Inkling was spoiled two months in advance and we didn't see gameplay footage until E3. Once again, this was the year we got Daisy and Ridley.

 

[Deleted member]

Cloud to me is proof we can have massive character announcements outside of E3. Crash makes sense as an E3 reveal, but he could be just as easily shown off in the fall direct, and Geno's got a very good shot of being at E3 due to is huge request base

All the previous years of E3 came with popular hardcore requests. 2019 Banjo, 2018 Ridley, 2015 Roy, idk about 2014 my guess was Palutena? E3 2013 Mega Man. Wario E3 2006 to.

 

[MattX20]

All the previous years of E3 came with popular hardcore requests. 2019 Banjo, 2018 Ridley, 2015 Roy, idk about 2014 my guess was Palutena? E3 2013 Mega Man.

Yep, that's about right

 

[SSGuy]

Yep, that's about right

Ryu seemed more of the featured character than Roy in 2015. 2014 also had Mii Fighter revealed lol.

 

[Polarthief]

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4337401-nintendo-switch-momentum-is-to-fade-away

Check out this financial report. Bottomline: The Switch has been doing great for the last three years but "While the console continues to show outstanding results, as its sales are annually increasing by single and double digits, its momentum is about to fade away.

But that doesn't at all "confirm" anything, that's more like a third party just analyzing what the public currently knows. You made it seem like this was an insider thing saying "oh they have nothing to show".

That doesn't really read to me like they aren't predicting big game reveals on the horizon, just analyzing the numbers as they currently stand which take into account BOTW2 and MP4. Big reveals are still likely, it's just foolish to predict when they'll be and the effects that they will have.

Yeah, literally what KCChief said hours ago (sorry I've been busy as heck in ACNH today <.< >.>)

There is something called, "we need to spread out stuff even more because of this" mentality, which is what could kill the chances of more reveals. People talked about the reason they waited were that Arms would add new mechanics, not seen in Smash... This begs the question of Sakurai and his team were not able to create it in time because of this whole **** going on. Which if so, June could be a Terry styled situation only.

TBH I think the ARMS thing is because there's more than one fighter (e.g., Bowser Jr. kind of character) and they wanted to keep us speculating so it wouldn't feel as bad to wait another over 2 months, not because of "new mechanics". They can say what they want, but they could have easily said who the fighter is w/o any gameplay; they've already done it twice.

Or y'know, the speculation is just to tide us over until they actually have something to show us.

One thing is for sure, once everything is stable and calm, that the world needs to ban these words so we never have to hear them ever again: Corona

Poor Corona beer's gonna have to change their name after all this. There's already a large population of ****ing idiots who refuse to drink it right now out of fear that it causes the virus. Yes, because they SHARE A NAME, clearly they're related. I guess everyone who had their homes destroyed by devastating hurricanes like Katrina gets to throw rocks at every person ever named Katrina, even if they existed before the hurricane. I don't get how people can live to be an adult and just be that downright stupid.

The ARMS rep is already confirmed to be happening, and I think CP7 is very possible, but the fact that development has slowed down because of the pandemic makes me believe they won't have much to be shown.

They. Don't. Need. A. Lot. Of. Development. Done. To. Say. A. Freaking. Name. They've literally shown off 2 characters with hardly any gameplay footage.

Everyone needs to please stop this kind of talk. 1.5 (ARMS being the 0.5) reveals is guaranteed at E3. There's not only going to show 1 character in the pass after over 4 months when they only have 4 more major directs to go afterwards (until the end of 2021). Discussing the possibility of the third pass character is one thing, but thinking they're not gonna show off at least #7 is just sounding insane this point.

Yes, Geno and Crash would definitely be very much like Hero and Banjo

Oh my god could you imagine? Way bigger for the West than Japan for sure. People in the West definitely don't get how big Dragon Quest is over in Japan, so we did get two huge reveals last year. That said, I wouldn't be surprised that if we do end up getting ARMS+2 that we'd get one West and one East pick again, y'know? ARMS is kinda for everyone I feel so that's a wash. Crash and Geno aren't that big in Japan, are they?

 

[MattX20]

Oh my god could you imagine? Way bigger for the West than Japan for sure. People in the West definitely don't get how big Dragon Quest is over in Japan, so we did get two huge reveals last year. That said, I wouldn't be surprised that if we do end up getting ARMS+2 that we'd get one West and one East pick again, y'know? ARMS is kinda for everyone I feel so that's a wash. Crash and Geno aren't that big in Japan, are they?

Crash is fairly popular in Japan and so is Geno

 

[Deleted member]

But that doesn't at all "confirm" anything, that's more like a third party just analyzing what the public currently knows. You made it seem like this was an insider thing saying "oh they have nothing to show".



Yeah, literally what KCChief said hours ago (sorry I've been busy as heck in ACNH today <.< >.>)



TBH I think the ARMS thing is because there's more than one fighter (e.g., Bowser Jr. kind of character) and they wanted to keep us speculating so it wouldn't feel as bad to wait another over 2 months, not because of "new mechanics". They can say what they want, but they could have easily said who the fighter is w/o any gameplay; they've already done it twice.

Or y'know, the speculation is just to tide us over until they actually have something to show us.



Poor Corona beer's gonna have to change their name after all this. There's already a large population of ****ing idiots who refuse to drink it right now out of fear that it causes the virus. Yes, because they SHARE A NAME, clearly they're related. I guess everyone who had their homes destroyed by devastating hurricanes like Katrina gets to throw rocks at every person ever named Katrina, even if they existed before the hurricane. I don't get how people can live to be an adult and just be that downright stupid.



They. Don't. Need. A. Lot. Of. Development. Done. To. Say. A. Freaking. Name. They've literally shown off 2 characters with hardly any gameplay footage.

Everyone needs to please stop this kind of talk. 1.5 (ARMS being the 0.5) reveals is guaranteed at E3. There's not only going to show 1 character in the pass after over 4 months when they only have 4 more major directs to go afterwards (until the end of 2021). Discussing the possibility of the third pass character is one thing, but thinking they're not gonna show off at least #7 is just sounding insane this point.



Oh my god could you imagine? Way bigger for the West than Japan for sure. People in the West definitely don't get how big Dragon Quest is over in Japan, so we did get two huge reveals last year. That said, I wouldn't be surprised that if we do end up getting ARMS+2 that we'd get one West and one East pick again, y'know? ARMS is kinda for everyone I feel so that's a wash. Crash and Geno aren't that big in Japan, are they?

Crash was one of, if not the first Western video game character that has popularity in Japan. Crash even has a Japanese design. Japan wants Geno too. Sakurai conducted a poll for Brawl and Geno was high up there.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ridley wasn't "snubbed" in every Smash game. Sakurai didn't even consider him for playability till after Brawl. It's literally 3DS and Wii U version at best. 3DS he didn't exist(but was intended as a boss on Pyrosphere as well), and well, he's a unique Stage Hazard that acts similar to a playable character.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ridley wasn't "snubbed" in every Smash game. Sakurai didn't even consider him for playability till after Brawl. It's literally 3DS and Wii U version at best. 3DS he didn't exist(but was intended as a boss on Pyrosphere as well), and well, he's a unique Stage Hazard that acts similar to a playable character.

He also thought Ridley was "Too big" to be playable and demean his status as an character if he were shrunk but eventually gave into the fan demand.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

He also thought Ridley was "Too big" to be playable and demean his status as an character if he were shrunk but eventually gave into the fan demand.

Though keep in mind his models currently were awkward to shrink. The characterization however is part of what the "too big" bit referred to. He's a huge boss most of the time(not as big as Kraid), so the size is a part of his portrayal.

Nonetheless, once they got a new model, he was easy to shrink. Incidentally, Ridley isn't actually all that good in Smash, even with a very few set of massively strong blows. So he doesn't necessarily feel like his "boss" self overall. I feel they captured the personality generally right, just not the size factor.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Though keep in mind his models currently were awkward to shrink. The characterization however is part of what the "too big" bit referred to. He's a huge boss most of the time(not as big as Kraid), so the size is a part of his portrayal.

Nonetheless, once they got a new model, he was easy to shrink. Incidentally, Ridley isn't actually all that good in Smash, even with a very few set of massively strong blows. So he doesn't necessarily feel like his "boss" self overall. I feel they captured the personality generally right, just not the size factor.

Funny I was actually gonna mention that but felt I didn't need to. Overall fair point there as that was the only way Ridley probably would had worked.

 

[Polarthief]

Crash is fairly popular in Japan and so is Geno

Crash was one of, if not the first Western video game character that has popularity in Japan. Crash even has a Japanese design. Japan wants Geno too. Sakurai conducted a poll for Brawl and Geno was high up there.

Really? Interesting, then yeah I guess the duo would work pretty well as the year after DQ+BK.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

In terms of E3 popularity, I always thought our "big E3 reveals" could always be either Geno, Waluigi, Sora, Crash, or Master Chief. I feel like those would be big time unveilings, though I bet Chief, if at all, is next year.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Ridley wasn't "snubbed" in every Smash game. Sakurai didn't even consider him for playability till after Brawl. It's literally 3DS and Wii U version at best. 3DS he didn't exist(but was intended as a boss on Pyrosphere as well), and well, he's a unique Stage Hazard that acts similar to a playable character.

Semantics aside, Ridley was one of those few characters that was pretty much wanted since the first game by a lot of people. That's the point I was making.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Semantics aside, Ridley was one of those few characters that was pretty much wanted since the first game by a lot of people. That's the point I was making.

Honestly, it was kind of in Melee, but Brawl is where it actually started to take off. The Melee intro made people start to think he could be in. Same with Wolf. But as they were never considered during that time, using the term "snubbed" is highly misleading. That's not a semantics thing. You used a wrong terminology for your point. He's been wanted since Melee, yes. That's true. But this was not known by Sakurai either. He didn't have Ridley on his mind for any idea to be playable. By the end of Brawl's time in the sun, he actually was asked on his thoughts. He never considered it at all. 4 is the first time it got interesting cause Ridley acted similar to a playable character instead of a boss hazard. Sakurai noted he had reasons Ridley wasn't playable, and some theorized he attempted to, which is why we have his odd Hazard design compared to the rest of the Bosses and the rest of more general Hazard A.I. Which might not mean much, but the theory made sense.

 

[Polarthief]

In terms of E3 popularity, I always thought our "big E3 reveals" could always be either Geno, Waluigi, Sora, Crash, or Master Chief. I feel like those would be big time unveilings, though I bet Chief, if at all, is next year.

In order:
- Geno: Yes, probs is in this E3. Also ties in nicely with the heavy Mario rumors.
- Wah: Possibly, but he still seems better as a bonus, though he also does tie in very well with the heavy Mario rumors.
- Sora: I still do not see it happening because Disney. Also if it was gonna happen, last year would have been better since KH3 came out not even 5 months prior.
- Crash: Could see him also. I honestly don't know one way or the other.
- MC: I don't see a second Microsoft character coming two E3s in a row. If MC (or Steve) actually does make it in, yeah, I agree they'll be next year for sure.

Geno's very likely 7 or 8. If E3 reveals 6-8, Geno will be there and I honestly don't know who the other is, probs Crash or Wah. If E3 is only ARMS and #7, Geno could be in, but he could also be #8 instead, but idk who else would take the spot instead. Maybe Crash? Maybe Wah?

PS: Despite CacoMallow, I honestly don't think Doomguy is coming. It's been talked to hell and back but TL;DR: CacoMallow still works even w/o Doomguy getting in.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Polarthief I have considered the idea of Waluigi at E3 because he's probably the only first party character that would make headlines as much as Ridley. Talking with a friend about it, he joked "he died at E3, his redemption will be at E3" which makes go into sacreligious territory of Waluigi died at E3 and then rose on the third!

 

[MattX20]

I think at the latest, we will know who fighters 6-8 will be by years end and will likely be released. The last 3 should be released before summer

 

[Droodle]

I still don't get why people think we will have all the characters out before E3 next year.

Think about it:

June: 6 Official Reveal/Release, 7 Official Reveal
September: 8 Official reveal
VGA/Q1 Direct: 9 Reveal
E3 2021: 10 Reveal, maybe 11 reveal if they don't want to wait till September.

Everything here lines up with the general pace of the DLC so far. They also have several months of dev time left, if they want to iron out bugs/fixes to characters. So they are in no rush.

The only way I can see them even managing to release all the characters before September 2021 is if they seriously speed the amount of announcements up, AKA we get multiple reveals (3+) in a very short period. And Nintendo has no reason to do such a thing when they can just pace out Smash to fit in any holes in their schedule.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

As long as all characters are released by the end of 2021 as promised I don't really care one way or the other about the "all characters will get revealed by next E3" point.

 

[Malo Mart]

IT'S TIME!

 

[Polarthief]

Polarthief I have considered the idea of Waluigi at E3 because he's probably the only first party character that would make headlines as much as Ridley. Talking with a friend about it, he joked "he died at E3, his redemption will be at E3" which makes go into sacreligious territory of Waluigi died at E3 and then rose on the third!

I would love if we got ARMS + Geno + Waluigi in a super Mario-focused E3. That would be awesome to see. I still think it'd be cool if the ARMS + 7 + 8 trailers were all linked like Kencineroar. Start with ARMS, show off Ninjara and MinMin, throw in Geno as a "Spirits don't deconfirm!" kind of thing. Then follow up with Spring Man and Ribbon Girl, finally leading into the Wah with "ATs don't deconfirm!". I know it won't ever happen because I doubt they'd really make a trailer based around fanrules, but I think it'd be awesome if it did.

(lol a "super Mario"-focused E3. I swear, I didn't even do that intentionally!)

 

[Enigma735]

They. Don't. Need. A. Lot. Of. Development. Done. To. Say. A. Freaking. Name. They've literally shown off 2 characters with hardly any gameplay footage.

Everyone needs to please stop this kind of talk. 1.5 (ARMS being the 0.5) reveals is guaranteed at E3. There's not only going to show 1 character in the pass after over 4 months when they only have 4 more major directs to go afterwards (until the end of 2021). Discussing the possibility of the third pass character is one thing, but thinking they're not gonna show off at least #7 is just sounding insane this point.

I don't think you read my entire post. I literally said in that exact post that I do believe CP7 will get shown off, in fact, I think its inevitable. The thing is, I don't think gameplay will be ready for it and Sakurai even said in a famitsu column I believe that development has slowed down. With this in mind, I don't think gameplay will be ready, unless this character was worked on long before this pandemic started. I'm sorry if I wasn't too specific or didn't specify what I meant, so please forgive me.

 

[Sigran101]

Though keep in mind his models currently were awkward to shrink. The characterization however is part of what the "too big" bit referred to. He's a huge boss most of the time(not as big as Kraid), so the size is a part of his portrayal.

Nonetheless, once they got a new model, he was easy to shrink. Incidentally, Ridley isn't actually all that good in Smash, even with a very few set of massively strong blows. So he doesn't necessarily feel like his "boss" self overall. I feel they captured the personality generally right, just not the size factor.

My gosh. Too biggers still exist. The more you know.

 

[PatPrime]

Since it's kind of quiet, I might as well say some stuff I've been wanting to say and also reiterate.

I bet I will have fun with this ARMS character when they release. They're humanoid, which is a trend I really don't like as I like playing as characters that are wacky and/or cartoonish. Doomguy (and I guess Master Chief) are the only ones I can think of that I want solely because we don't have a FPS rep and that kind of character can be interesting (Doomguy is also my most wanted). But those stretchable arms are bound to make an interesting playstyle and I do like the characters and world of ARMS. The first pass has 4 human characters that I am indifferent to due to the games and genres they come from and because I don't like their playstyles. But Banjo and Pirahna Plant are very fun to me, just like how K Rool, Ridley, R.O.B, King Dedede, Duck Hunt, PAC-MAN, Wii Fit Trainer, etc. are fun.

Of course, being in the Geno thread, I naturally also like Geno and think he would be a fun and unique character. But he is quite a few places down compared to my personal top 4 of Doomguy, Rayman, Crash, and Banjo. So I got one for DLC, so I hope I get at least one more. Ridley and K Rool were also high up too and I'm glad those two finally made it in base game. Also rooting for other promotions like Waluigi and Shovel Knight and other "no way in hell" characters like Heavy.

If Geno gets in, I will be happy but I will be more happy for all of you Genobros.

 

[StarLight42]

I still don't get why people think we will have all the characters out before E3 next year.

Think about it:

June: 6 Official Reveal/Release, 7 Official Reveal
September: 8 Official reveal
VGA/Q1 Direct: 9 Reveal
E3 2021: 10 Reveal, maybe 11 reveal if they don't want to wait till September.

Everything here lines up with the general pace of the DLC so far. They also have several months of dev time left, if they want to iron out bugs/fixes to characters. So they are in no rush.

The only way I can see them even managing to release all the characters before September 2021 is if they seriously speed the amount of announcements up, AKA we get multiple reveals (3+) in a very short period. And Nintendo has no reason to do such a thing when they can just pace out Smash to fit in any holes in their schedule.

Yeah this sounds way more realistic especially with covid19 issues.

We’re in for a long, ardous wait.

 

[BigZGaming2015]

I would love if we got ARMS + Geno + Waluigi in a super Mario-focused E3. That would be awesome to see. I still think it'd be cool if the ARMS + 7 + 8 trailers were all linked like Kencineroar. Start with ARMS, show off Ninjara and MinMin, throw in Geno as a "Spirits don't deconfirm!" kind of thing. Then follow up with Spring Man and Ribbon Girl, finally leading into the Wah with "ATs don't deconfirm!". I know it won't ever happen because I doubt they'd really make a trailer based around fanrules, but I think it'd be awesome if it did.

(lol a "super Mario"-focused E3. I swear, I didn't even do that intentionally!)

I can actually see this going down in my head, with Sakurai having that look on his face back when Byleth was released where he knew EXACTLY what he was doing god I would love that lmao

 

[Polarthief]

I don't think you read my entire post. I literally said in that exact post that I do believe CP7 will get shown off, in fact, I think its inevitable. The thing is, I don't think gameplay will be ready for it and Sakurai even said in a famitsu column I believe that development has slowed down. With this in mind, I don't think gameplay will be ready, unless this character was worked on long before this pandemic started. I'm sorry if I wasn't too specific or didn't specify what I meant, so please forgive me.

Sorry you're good. I do need to read posts better; I was a bit distracted at the time, my bad.

Yeah this sounds way more realistic especially with covid19 issues.

We’re in for a long, ardous wait.

Which we basically knew already, but it's crazy to me that people here think we might only get the second half of that ARMS reveal at E3. The wait is already going to be long as hell; I do not see them doing us that dirty. One reveal for literally 7+ months? There's no way. FP2 was purchasable in late January. We got a half reveal (0.5) at the end of March, and we won't actually know the first character til early June. That right there is already over 4 months to get the first character. If we don't get #7, then we're waiting until ~September which is another 3 months of radio silence, which again would be 7 months for one character, nearly a third of the time until the deadline and we only got one reveal.

Even with Corona, regardless whether it's really messing with development of 6-8 (it definitely is for 9-11), there's no way there won't at least be a reveal of #7. If they planned for a reveal of #8 too, I could see #8 just being name-dropped with no model or gameplay at all. I'm not expecting #8 (I definitely am for #7), but I'm not gonna say it definitely won't happen. I personally think it'll be ARMS+#7+a bonus if we are getting middle-of-the-pack bonus DLC (whether it's free or we have to pay separately).
TL;DR: #7 is inevitable. #8 (or a bonus?) is a maybe. Not a hard or soft maybe, but a total middle-of-the-road maybe.

I can actually see this going down in my head, with Sakurai having that look on his face back when Byleth was released where he knew EXACTLY what he was doing god I would love that lmao

I hope he does if he realizes how insanely meme-y that face was. Idk if he intended to make it look like "pfft, you see this? You see this Fire Emblem I'm adding in? >", but I hope he does do it again xD

(and yes I know even he thinks there's too much FE, but the face he made really did look like that)

 

[MattX20]

In any case, we've got slightly less than 2 months left to go assuming the June direct occurs sometime before or after the 11th