Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Organization XIII]

I will say I think a problem Geno fans do have is they rely on being popular on message boards hoping Nintendo will take note. Nintendo doesn't have any way to gauge who is really popular through forums and what not. They probably don't even know about the fan polls done. I think the reason Waluigi could very well get in is because Nintendo sees that popularity but they may not see it for other characters, Geno included. I think folks haven't had the level of outreach needed to get a niche (albeit cool) character in Smash.

That's actually all quite incorrect. Nintendo does indeed monitor who the fans want and characters like Ridley and Waluigi have had their popularity commented on before news outlets decided gaming was something they needed to talk about. In fact Geno has even been mentioned as popular by Sakurai himself. Besides Sakurai knew about the demand for K Rool and yet he was never covered. Despite not making it in as playable Isaac and Golden Sun's reputation went up considerably despite being more dead than ever at the time of base. The team knows who's popular they do keep track. They never needed the Washington Post before and they certainly don't now. There's other characters that could be picked for a fan favorite spot regardless of what's going on with Waluigi. No disrespect to the Wah it's just an article about him doesn't make him the most popular character around.

 

[SmashChu]

That's actually all quite incorrect. Nintendo does indeed monitor who the fans want and characters like Ridley and Waluigi have had their popularity commented on before news outlets decided gaming was something they needed to talk about. In fact Geno has even been mentioned as popular by Sakurai himself. Besides Sakurai knew about the demand for K Rool and yet he was never covered. Despite not making it in as playable Isaac and Golden Sun's reputation went up considerably despite being more dead than ever at the time of base. The team knows who's popular they do keep track. They never needed the Washington Post before and they certainly don't now. There's other characters that could be picked for a fan favorite spot regardless of what's going on with Waluigi. No disrespect to the Wah it's just an article about him doesn't make him the most popular character around.

You have to remember that there are tons of characters that are popular out there. Nintendo gets bombarded with requests for characters so how do you parse through them all and determine who people want. Yes, Ridley is a character that has been acknowledged as being popular, but he didn't get into Smash until the Ballot happened.

Masahiro Sakurai and the rest of his team really do care about incorporating fan feedback into the Super Smash Bros. games, which is why they conducted the Smash Ballot to see what characters people wanted in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. In fact, an interview with Nintendo Dream magazine reveals that Simon Belmont, Richter Belmont, Ridley, and King K. Rool are all in the game because of how things went in the Smash Ballot, according to Twitter user PushDustIn and Japanese Nintendo. This same interview reveals that Decidueye almost joined Ultimate as well, but he was eventually ditched in favor of Incineroar.

So if Nintendo knows who is popular, why did Ridley have to do well in the ballot to get in? I think it's one thing is a character is just generally popular, it's another thing if they are a cut above the rest, and these are the characters that will grab Nintendo's attention. Banjo was clearly popular, and Nintendo acknowledged it by ending their press conference (lease the original cut) with Banjo. I think this is due to Spencer's comments (or possibly this is what led to Nintendo looking into it).

Again, being just popular probably isn't enough. Your right, Sakurai did acknowledge Geno's popularity, but he ended up making him a Mii Fighter costume and left it at that. The same could be said about Isaac. Nintendo did see they were popular but that means they add them as assist or trophies, not necessarily playable fighters. In Waluigi's case, he's been asked for by major outlets and had an article in a mainstream publication. So if Nintendo wants to add a big hit character, Waluigi would make sense. I mean, interviewers aren't asking for Geno or Isaac. They are asking about Waluigi. That's the character that has the clout.

 

[Datboigeno]

You have to remember that there are tons of characters that are popular out there. Nintendo gets bombarded with requests for characters so how do you parse through them all and determine who people want. Yes, Ridley is a character that has been acknowledged as being popular, but he didn't get into Smash until the Ballot happened.


So if Nintendo knows who is popular, why did Ridley have to do well in the ballot to get in? I think it's one thing is a character is just generally popular, it's another thing if they are a cut above the rest, and these are the characters that will grab Nintendo's attention. Banjo was clearly popular, and Nintendo acknowledged it by ending their press conference (lease the original cut) with Banjo. I think this is due to Spencer's comments (or possibly this is what led to Nintendo looking into it).

Again, being just popular probably isn't enough. Your right, Sakurai did acknowledge Geno's popularity, but he ended up making him a Mii Fighter costume and left it at that. The same could be said about Isaac. Nintendo did see they were popular but that means they add them as assist or trophies, not necessarily playable fighters. In Waluigi's case, he's been asked for by major outlets and had an article in a mainstream publication. So if Nintendo wants to add a big hit character, Waluigi would make sense. I mean, interviewers aren't asking for Geno or Isaac. They are asking about Waluigi. That's the character that has the clout.

Geno does well in ballots actually. Look up any major poll in the last couple of years and you'll find Geno in the top 10 back to now consistently in the top 3. the difference between Geno and Waluigi is that Sakurai has attempted to make him playable in the past but was stonewalled for one reason or another likely due to the SE/Nintendo rights issues of the character so made him a mii fighter costume as a way to make him playable in some format. I'm not anti-waluigi per-se but I feel like a lot of people like you miss a pretty glaring issue. Sakurai has had zero restrictions on Waluigi this entire time. At no point has he ever addressed Waluigi's popularity. He is a non-entity to Sakurai unlike characters such as Geno, K. Rool, and Ridley. There's a clear difference there in the way he's spoken about them. It may just be a matter of taste or not really seeing how to make him an interesting fighter within smash. But the fact of the matter is that Sakurai has said not only that Geno is popular but that he'd work well as a fighter. Both things are important. Neither thing has been mentioned by Sakurai about Waluigi. Sakurai could give zero ****s about ""clout"" or what some random outlets ask in interviews.

 

[Polarthief]

I'm thinking Waluigi will either be #7 or 8 for this reason. One thing I think folks forget is who Nintendo thinks is popular (this is something I've argued before in this thread). K Rool, Simon and Ridley were all from the ballot, so fans could directly tell Nintendo who they wanted. Banjo likely got in due to Phil Spencer. He was often asked about Banjo and had responded to comments on it, which of course were published on various game sites. If one of the major console manufacturers is talking about it, I'm sure Nintendo is listening. This is likely why Banjo caught Nintendo's attention.

Waluigi is likely in the same boat. The response to him not being in was published in the Washington Post. Reggie was even asked about Waluigi not being in Smash.

I will say I think a problem Geno fans do have is they rely on being popular on message boards hoping Nintendo will take note. Nintendo doesn't have any way to gauge who is really popular through forums and what not. They probably don't even know about the fan polls done. I think the reason Waluigi could very well get in is because Nintendo sees that popularity but they may not see it for other characters, Geno included. I think folks haven't had the level of outreach needed to get a niche (albeit cool) character in Smash.

Just a reminder. Nintendo has definitely heard for both Geno and Waluigi. I could definitely see a double reveal of Geno+Wah in a Mario-focused E3.
Paraspikey also had a great post on this topic, back on page 2548. TL;DR: The guy from Nintendo who said that isn't some random, he's a veteran product marketing manager, which boils down to "Nintendo is aware of Geno and Wah".

You have to remember that there are tons of characters that are popular out there. Nintendo gets bombarded with requests for characters so how do you parse through them all and determine who people want.

You do some research, you look at who people are asking for. You look at who is feasibly possible (is Sora or MC possible?) and how much they'll cost. There's some risk and reward to be had here because the bigger a character, the more likely they'll sell, but the third party knows this and would likely charge more. Byleth cost them nothing (since it's first party), but I wouldn't at all be surprised if they did the worst in sales of individual packs. Banjo was surprisingly easy actually, so that was no risk and all reward. I wouldn't be surprised if Hero and Joker cost them an arm and a leg though. Terry was quite eh overall; not bad, just not like the 3 big ones (DLC 1-3), but SNK was very receptive (50+ SONGS?!), so I wouldn't be surprised if that was little risk little reward like Byleth too.

Also, thinking about it, it could also be that they hooked us all with the first 3 and tons of people bought the overall passes expecting more huge picks just to get slapped with Terry (eh) and Byleth (boooo). That would be pretty malicious if intentional, heh.

Yes, Ridley is a character that has been acknowledged as being popular, but he didn't get into Smash until the Ballot happened.

So if Nintendo knows who is popular, why did Ridley have to do well in the ballot to get in?

Sakurai is a perfectionist and didn't think Ridley would work because of his proportions and didn't want to completely gut the character (stripping him of the ability to fly for example). This has been said by the man himself, multiple times. Then he realized he could just try to make it work and I'd say it worked out pretty well.
(that was a joke btw; I don't know why the change of heart, but hey, it worked out damn well. Ridley's reaction was nuts)

Again, being just popular probably isn't enough. Your right, Sakurai did acknowledge Geno's popularity, but he ended up making him a Mii Fighter costume and left it at that.

Honestly, we really don't know why Geno was unsuccessful at getting in both Brawl and Sm4sh. No one seems to know except Sakurai, Nintendo, and whatever went down in trying to get the rights to use him. They clearly got *something* considering he's currently a spirit and a player icon token thingy.

Nintendo did see they were popular but that means they add them as assist or trophies, not necessarily playable fighters. In Waluigi's case, he's been asked for by major outlets and had an article in a mainstream publication. So if Nintendo wants to add a big hit character, Waluigi would make sense. I mean, interviewers aren't asking for Geno or Isaac. They are asking about Waluigi. That's the character that has the clout.

Waluigi's the one that got the massive stink in being an AT. Waluigi's also a first party Mario character that originally started as a meme, people started to actually unironically love the poor guy. Of course he's gonna get the spotlight when he's deconfirmed in what's looking like the final Smash game. Geno's not as popular mostly because he's not nearly as known, but the fact that he's been in one game (and cameo'd in a second way later), and still requested enough to get Nintendo's attention for a costume in Sm4sh actually says quite a lot.

Geno does well in ballots actually. Look up any major poll in the last couple of years and you'll find Geno in the top 10 back to now consistently in the top 3.

This too. I won't be surprised if Geno did well in the official ballot.

 

[Organization XIII]

You have to remember that there are tons of characters that are popular out there. Nintendo gets bombarded with requests for characters so how do you parse through them all and determine who people want. Yes, Ridley is a character that has been acknowledged as being popular, but he didn't get into Smash until the Ballot happened.

But he was looked into multiple times prior. It's just Sakurai couldn't see how to fit him in the role as a playable character before. As for how they do it, Nintendo keeps track of that data, they monitor it, they also have things like the ballot. They have plenty of employees at their disposal. If they didn't keep track of who was popular, then characters like K Rool or Banjo wouldn't happen. Which I know you brought Banjo in relation to Phil being asked but every company is asked about their character, it wasn't quite necessary. Especially since it was working on Minecraft for Nintendo systems that bridged the gap and then Nintendo went for Banjo. The point is while Sakurai seldom speaks on how popular a character is until they are in Smash they have clearly shown to be aware consistently of what fans want. They have never had trouble keeping up with who the fans ask for and there's no reason to doubt that now.

 

[Polarthief]

Not to mention the entire point of the costume in Sm4sh was because Sakurai (and Nintendo) are well aware of Geno's popularity, and yes, he has explicitly stated that for the record. I mean come on, the ONLY new costume to get a special splash screen? It was as close to a playable character reveal as you can get without actually being one. Seriously, not even the new costumes in Ultimate get splash screens. Not even Cuphead nor Sans got one!

hE's GoNnA bE iN.

 

[Deleted member]

I don’t know if Sakurai planned to have Geno. I think he may have considered getting Geno. I think I have an theory why Geno wasn’t added. For Brawl, third party characters were introduced, and Sakurai felt priotizing Snake since he asked by Kojima and Sonic. For Smash 4, Sakurai goes to Square Enix and thinks it’s logical to go after their poster boy Cloud first. Smash Ultimate, Sakurai may have thought adding Geno for DLC but Nintendo approached him to focus on DQ when Sakurai thought a DQ rep was impossible. I see FF and DQ in Smash before Geno is a good thing because Square could get more comfortable with Geno playable since their flagship franchises gets represented first. Sakurai wants Geno, but some things must be done first. If Sakurai wants 2B and adds her, then I really don’t know what to say. Worst case scenario, Square may have denied Geno if he was talked about in negotiations or Nintendo not comfortable with him playable at the time and rather get FF and DQ.

 

[Icewolff92]

I could definitely see a double reveal of Geno+Wah in a Mario-focused E3.

I don¨t get the idea of Waluigi and Geno both being added. If they want to cover their bases as well as possible... it makes no sense putting two characters from the same franchise... Yes, I know that they will have the 35 year anniversary, but with that logic, 6 would be Lyn (someone that has also been highly requested for a long time) concidering Fire Emblem has it¨s 30th year anniversary on Monday, and they will add to Zelda characters next year due to Zelda¨s 35-year-old anniversary next year concidering the high demand of Midna and especially Skull Kid.

A character from a pre-existing franchise? Sure. But two?.... Eeh, no

 

[Deleted member]

I don¨t get the idea of Waluigi and Geno both being added. If they want to cover their bases as well as possible... it makes no sense putting two characters from the same franchise... Yes, I know that they will have the 35 year anniversary, but with that logic, 6 would be Lyn (someone that has also been highly requested for a long time) concidering Fire Emblem has it¨s 30th year anniversary on Monday, and they will add to Zelda characters next year due to Zelda¨s 35-year-old anniversary next year concidering the demand of Midna and Skull Kid.

Roy and Corrin were added in Smash 4. Nintendo didn’t care that there were 7 Fire Emblem characters before Byleth. Why would they be worried? If Nintendo chose some characters for fan demand, both Geno and Waluigi satisfy the Smash fanbase and that’s a win wouldn’t it?

 

[Cahalan]

If we actually get Waluigi and Geno along side an Arms character, there's a chance that this pass will contain only 2 or 3 third party characters (considering that if Arms gets a character, then Rex should get in too).

 

[Polarthief]

I see FF and DQ in Smash before Geno is a good thing because Square could get more comfortable with Geno playable since their flagship franchises gets represented first. Sakurai wants Geno, but some things must be done first.

Totally reasonable all things considered, plus SE is a total diva.

If Sakurai wants 2B and adds her, then I really don’t know what to say. Worst case scenario, Square may have denied Geno if he was talked about in negotiations or Nintendo not comfortable with him playable at the time and rather get FF and DQ.

That would be GG and he comes back as his crappy costume that should have been in with Hero.

I don¨t get the idea of Waluigi and Geno both being added. If they want to cover their bases as well as possible... it makes no sense putting two characters from the same franchise... Yes, I know that they will have the 35 year anniversary, but with that logic, 6 would be Lyn (someone that has also been highly requested for a long time) concidering Fire Emblem has it¨s 30th year anniversary on Monday, and they will add to Zelda characters next year due to Zelda¨s 35-year-old anniversary next year concidering the demand of Midna and Skull Kid.

You know as well as I do that adding yet another FE, even if it's Lyn, would cause an uproar. "SWORD-USING FE AGAIN, NINTENDO!?!?!?". Also are you forgetting that Byleth came in during 2020, which is still the 30th anniversary? No, FE is done for Smash. If they get another rep during this game, it's gonna cause people to go nuclear. FE is way over-represented, Sakurai has flat out admitted that. Ultimate's base was honestly the last chance for Lyn to be promoted.

As for Zelda, TBH I don't know what their deal is there. They have plenty of great to decent picks available to have more than "3" characters: 3 Links, 2 Zeldas, 1 Ganondorf. Impa has been in nearly every single Zelda game in varying forms, I do not know how she's still not in. Skull Kid and Midna are also frequently talked about. At the very least, it would have been nice if the three links were a bit more varied since they're all literally Link and play very similarly (YES I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENCES). Yink could have used the MM masks and Tink could have gotten some CC with the power of the wind. Regardless of reason, they don't add more Zelda characters and idk why.
PS: I would love to see more Zelda characters. My personal pick would be Impa though because, again, she's been there since the beginning. I don't care for Midna (or TP to begin with), and while MM is one of my top Zeldas, I don't really care for Skull Kid either, but if any of them do end up being picked, I'd be happy that Zelda's at least getting more rep like it deserves.

As for "why they could add 2 Mario characters", it's because both of them are still extremely popular and as crazy as this sounds, for their flagship franchise, Mario isn't as represented as well as it should be. 9 characters (Daisy being an echo and Dr. Mario being a clone-esque character) isn't quite a lot when you compare it to 8 FE, and again, if the rumors are true regarding a big Mario-focused year, I could see them adding 2 Mario characters this year, and I can't think of anyone the Internet would want more than Waluigi and/or Geno. Birdo's like the only other character I could see getting in, but no one's even asking for them, and they'd probably be clone-esque or flat out an echo of Yoshi (and as far as we know, the FP doesn't contain echoes).

If we actually get Waluigi and Geno along side an Arms character, there's a chance that this pass will contain only 2 or 3 third party characters (considering that if Arms gets a character, then Rex should get in too).

I could see this being a more first-party focused pass, esp if Nintendo's trying to keep the budget lower for a game that released nearly 18 months ago (even though I'm sure they're raking in the cash from SSBU like crazy).

 

[Dorayaki]

Roy and Corrin were added in Smash 4. Nintendo didn’t care that there were 7 Fire Emblem characters before Byleth. Why would they be worried? If Nintendo chose some characters for fan demand, both Geno and Waluigi satisfy the Smash fanbase and that’s a win wouldn’t it?

Wasn't Roy a returnee from Smash 2?

Again, that'd be pure fanservice to very specific fanbase, not for the fanbase who supprot the game series they prefer, so don't assume that people must go for the characters you note if you wont have seen those posts about supporting different game series on this Smashboads. Then again, the best way to satisfy Mario fans with the characters should be just putting them in the newest Super Mario platformer. As we know what Nitendo have provided to Geno fans is almost the opposite side of satisfaction.

Geno does well in ballots actually. Look up any major poll in the last couple of years and you'll find Geno in the top 10 back to now consistently in the top 3..

Just to be safe, we didn't know the exact result so we couldn't know how Geno ranked, so that wouldn't help us understand how much chance Geno has in the future.

For now we have several newcomers who were born after the ballot, and a plant piranha which clearly didn't do well there. Assume that Nintendo only chose a certain amount of top ranked characters from tha ballot and leave some room for them to put what they personally want, it could be that Geno made it the top 10 but remained unchosen in the end.

As mentioned, given that ballot was a long time ago, if Geno needs a legitimate source to prove his popularity, we better expect Nintendo to hold a new official ballot again to examine how the new games from Switch era influence the ranking.

Yes, I know that they will have the 35 year anniversary, but with that logic

The logic is simply defective. Smash bros has been released over a year, so it has passed all kinds of anniversaries within 2019. If Nintendo really like the anniversary thing, for example, they could arrange the order and claim that Byleth was for FE anniversry and plant piranha for Mario anniversary.

As for "why they could add 2 Mario characters", it's because both of them are still extremely popular and as crazy as this sounds, for their flagship franchise.

As mentioned, that'd end up like specific fanservice. If the two characters are more requested than all the current Mario reps, then it's Nintendo's issue to not choose them first. The nagain, these characters were supposed to have more particiaption in general games if that should be how Nintendo respond to the fanbases.

If we actually get Waluigi and Geno along side an Arms character, there's a chance that this pass will contain only 2 or 3 third party characters (considering that if Arms gets a character, then Rex should get in too).

Isn't the main difference being that ARMS is a newly presented franchise while Mario isn't? If so that assumption skipped too much.

 

[Another Player]

The classic issue arises about a new character added only for fan service or is the character going to enhance the gameplay? If we add any character because we only want it we then could add anyone. If having new characters improves are ability I'd like to know how. If we add characters simply to beat them then it could be endless. Or we prefer solo mission play?

 

[Polarthief]

As mentioned, given that ballot was a long time ago, if Geno needs a legitimate source to prove his popularity, we better expect Nintendo to hold a new official ballot again to examine how the new games from Switch era influence the ranking.

While this would be useful information for Nintendo regarding Smash 6, it does nothing for Ultimate and they won't post the results anyway (cuz if any of the top 10 didn't get in Ultimate, people would obviously be pissed), so it doesn't really do anyone any good unless they're already planning a Smash 6, which, from the sounds of it, they aren't.

 

[Dorayaki]

While this would be useful information for Nintendo regarding Smash 6, it does nothing for Ultimate and they won't post the results anyway (cuz if any of the top 10 didn't get in Ultimate, people would obviously be pissed), so it doesn't really do anyone any good unless they're already planning a Smash 6, which, from the sounds of it, they aren't.

Like said, we didn't get any garuntee that the top 10 must become fighters in short time, and so for any possible ballot in the future. The purpose of the Smash 4 ballot was more like "one of the top runners that Nintendo think to be suit the DLCs for Smash 4 the most".

Yet, not like Geno doesn't have to compete for future Smash games even if he succeeded/failed to fight in Smash 5.

 

[Deleted member]

Wasn't Roy a returnee from Smash 2?

Again, that'd be pure fanservice to very specific fanbase, not for the fanbase who supprot the game series they prefer, so don't assume that people must go for the characters you note if you wont have seen those posts about supporting different game series on this Smashboads. Then again, the best way to satisfy Mario fans with the characters should be just putting them in the newest Super Mario platformer. As we know what Nitendo have provided to Geno fans is almost the opposite side of satisfaction.

Just to be safe, we didn't know the exact result so we couldn't know hoe Geno ranked, so that wouldn't help us understand how much chance Geno has in the future.

For now we have several newcomers who were born after the ballot, and a plant piranha which clearly didn't do well there. Assume that Nintendo only chose a certain amount of top ranked characters from tha ballot, it could be that Geno made it the top 10 but remained unchosen in the end.

As mentioned, given that ballot was a long time ago, if Geno needs a legitimate source to prove his popularity, we better expect Nintendo to hold a new official ballot again to examine how the new games from Switch era influence the ranking.

It doesn’t matter if Roy was a veteran. Veteran or not, it still takes a lot of work to make a fighter especially that they redesigned him, decloned him, made him much stronger, and etc. Also, you gotta chill out with the “Geno must be in a new game before Smash” stuff. I see you everywhere on YouTube. If Geno gets to be in Smash, it would be an opportunity to revive Geno putting him in spinoffs and a remake to appeal not only Smash fans, but a chance for him to get popular with the general Mario fanbase. It’s like it is mandatory to bring K. Rool to a new DK game to appeal the new fans.

 

[MattX20]

Hmm...if we don't get a remake for Super Mario RPG, would you be satisfied with it appearing on the Switch online services instead?

 

[Dorayaki]

It doesn’t matter if Roy was a veteran. Veteran or not, it still takes a lot of work to make a fighter especially that they made redesigned, decloned him, made him much stronger, and etc. Also, you gotta chill out with the “Geno must be in a new game before Smash” stuff. I see you everywhere on YouTube. If Geno gets to be in Smash, it would be an opportunity to revive Geno putting him in spinoffs and a remake to appeal not only Smash fans, but a chance for him to get popular with the general Mario fanbase. It’s like it is mandatory to bring K. Rool to a new DK game to appeal the new fans.

Well all fighters now return to Smash 5 so they'e even now?

That's a logic issue. We would not exactly know which characters interested Nintendo, if so any other character could be the one that fits in your assumption. The idea of Smash bros being a place for promoting is already questionable, as most fighters already got some spotlights before their Smash entry.

Roy is mentioned here, and we know back in Smash 2 NIntendo postponed the game he was starred, if so for the case of Geno it'd have to be that Nintendo particularly want to promote and advertise him in considerate plans. Without that basis, it wouldn't make them want to suddenly throw Geno into the Smash roster when a great amount of unused gaming icons are competing.


Also, what I'm judging is that there are enough Mario games around 2019 for Geno to shine. If those are great opportunities, that wouln't make up an excuse for us to argue that Geno doesn't need spotlights. Again, it sure matters if we're supposed to be dissapointed with the outcome.

As for other fighters, it's already been noted, you can still question their qualification if you find that there are appropriate replacements, such as Dixie and Pauline could compete with KRool to be new DK reps. So that wouldn't make the argument invalid,

 

[Deleted member]

Well all fighters now return to Smash 5 so they'e even now?

That's a logic issue. We would not exactly know which characters interested Nintendo, if so any other character could be the one that fits in your assumption. The idea of Smash bros being a place for promoting is already questionable, as most fighters already got some spotlights before their Smash entry.

Roy is mentioned here, and we know back in Smash 2 NIntendo postponed the game he was starred, if so for the case of Geno it'd have to be that they particularly want to promote and advertise him in considerate plans.

Also, what I'm judging is that there are enough Mario games around 2019 for Geno to shine. If those are great opportunities, that wouln't make up an excuse for us to argue that Geno doesn't need spotlights. Again, it sure matters if we're supposed to be dissapointed with the outcome.

Does K. Rool need time to shine again before his inclusion after a decade of his absence? Does he need a new DK game? Does he need to be playable in Mario Kart? Should he at least be playable in Mario Tennis? Should he be a mini boss in Tropical Freeze? Do Banjo and Kazooie need time to shine before they come back? Do they need to shine from a decade long absence from a game that didn’t sell that well, a game that a lot of people hated, and was an XBOX exclusive? Banjo Threeie on XBOX One and series X and a port to the Switch anyone? Does Pit need a Kid Icarus game on the GameCube before Brawl?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Are people really saying you have to have news articles to be popular? I mean, it helps, but riddle me this:
https://gonintendo.com/stories/3230...ear-your-requests-for-waluigi-and-geno-in-sma
This article is about both of them. You have no idea how many articles are out there about Geno as well. Honestly, I don't think any character 1-ups the other through news article because EVERYONE shows up in these crappy articles as soon as a 4chan anon types a fake leak.

 

[Icewolff92]

You know as well as I do that adding yet another FE, even if it's Lyn, would cause an uproar. "SWORD-USING FE AGAIN, NINTENDO!?!?!?". Also are you forgetting that Byleth came in during 2020, which is still the 30th anniversary? No, FE is done for Smash. If they get another rep during this game, it's gonna cause people to go nuclear. FE is way over-represented, Sakurai has flat out admitted that. Ultimate's base was honestly the last chance for Lyn to be promoted.

As for Zelda, TBH I don't know what their deal is there. They have plenty of great to decent picks available to have more than "3" characters: 3 Links, 2 Zeldas, 1 Ganondorf. Impa has been in nearly every single Zelda game in varying forms, I do not know how she's still not in. Skull Kid and Midna are also frequently talked about. At the very least, it would have been nice if the three links were a bit more varied since they're all literally Link and play very similarly (YES I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENCES). Yink could have used the MM masks and Tink could have gotten some CC with the power of the wind. Regardless of reason, they don't add more Zelda characters and idk why.
PS: I would love to see more Zelda characters. My personal pick would be Impa though because, again, she's been there since the beginning. I don't care for Midna (or TP to begin with), and while MM is one of my top Zeldas, I don't really care for Skull Kid either, but if any of them do end up being picked, I'd be happy that Zelda's at least getting more rep like it deserves.

I was mentioning Lyn because it is clear that you and others are using an anniversary as the reason that they will introduce TWO characters from the same franchise in this pack. Not one. Yes, people went haywire over Byleth, but as I said... 30 year anniversary which is big (based on your guys logic) combined It¨s not like Nintendo clearly do not care what people think if the series is over-represented or not concidering Byleth got in. Now watch Lyn being shadow announced on Monday and I will laugh my ****ing ass off.

But anyway, I think you get why I think the whole notion of "Waluigi and Geno will get in because of anniversary" is even sillier and dumber then Geno has to be 7 because of SMRPGs subtitle.

Roy and Corrin were added in Smash 4. Nintendo didn’t care that there were 7 Fire Emblem characters before Byleth. Why would they be worried? If Nintendo chose some characters for fan demand, both Geno and Waluigi satisfy the Smash fanbase and that’s a win wouldn’t it?

You are absolutely right. They could easily careless and add both of them. I just think the whole idea of "they will add both because of the anniversary" (because if so, we would have gotten yet another FE character, and will get 2 Zelda characters next year) . But if they are truly going for "fairness" like Fatman has claimed that their mentality is... then I have a hard time seeing them adding two characters from the same franchise, even if a said franchise is their mascot... Especially when other big IPs such as Kirby (it sell like hot cake so I would call it big... and don¨t get me started on how popular the series is in Japan) but more importantly Zelda, has not been given a new fighter since Brawl, and for LoZ it was another reskinned Link (Sheik being alone does not count).

PS, Roy were re-added because of fan demand of the Smash Brothers community ironically enough

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I don¨t get the idea of Waluigi and Geno both being added. If they want to cover their bases as well as possible... it makes no sense putting two characters from the same franchise... Yes, I know that they will have the 35 year anniversary, but with that logic, 6 would be Lyn (someone that has also been highly requested for a long time) concidering Fire Emblem has it¨s 30th year anniversary on Monday, and they will add to Zelda characters next year due to Zelda¨s 35-year-old anniversary next year concidering the high demand of Midna and especially Skull Kid.

A character from a pre-existing franchise? Sure. But two?.... Eeh, no

To be fair, none of those are Nintendo's poster child though. Besides, Nintendo can celebrate whatever they want. They don't have to do Fire Emblem or Legend of Zelda if they don't want to but considering how two of the most requested characters in the history of the franchise are from Mario and that's their poster boy, then they'd be crazy not to take advantage for the all-star in overalls.

Also, on the Kirby note, I would love another rep. If their big project is as grand as presumed, they need to implement a character from that, if anything. Dee is ok but really, outside of him, you don't really have any other good choices.

 

[Icewolff92]

To be fair, none of those are Nintendo's poster child though. Besides, Nintendo can celebrate whatever they want. They don't have to do Fire Emblem or Legend of Zelda if they don't want to but considering how two of the most requested characters in the history of the franchise are from Mario and that's their poster boy, then they'd be crazy not to take advantage for the all-star in overalls.

Ehm, Kirby, and Legend of Zelda is two posterchild of Nintendo. Not as big as Mario, sure, but they are still poster children. Their games (Especially LoZ games) sell consoles on their own. And yes they would be crazy to add both of them since they have high demanded characters like Sora or Crash... two that are much more demanded then Waluigi... cover your bases as much as possible is way smarter than just put more egg in your "major basket"...

 

[Polarthief]

I was mentioning Lyn because it is clear that you and others are using an anniversary as the reason that they will introduce TWO characters from the same franchise in this pack. Not one. Yes, people went haywire over Byleth, but as I said... 30 year anniversary which is big (based on your guys logic) combined It¨s not like Nintendo clearly do not care what people think if the series is over-represented or not concidering Byleth got in.

Yes, their FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE, and the E3 direct is rumored to be VERY Mario-heavy, and both characters are very popular. You're comparing an apple to a carrot here.

Also again: FE already got a character during their 30th anniversary: Byleth.

Now watch Lyn being shadow announced on Monday and I will laugh my ****ing ass off.

Yeah that's not gonna happen unless we're also getting a remaster of the game again, and if they really want to piss off the Smash fanbase (and probably Sakurai to an extent).

But anyway, I think you get why I think the whole notion of "Waluigi and Geno will get in because of anniversary" is even sillier and dumber then Geno has to be 7 because of SMRPGs subtitle.

I'm not saying they will, when did I say that? I said it's a possibility that I could see happening, not that it's inevitable.

I just think the whole idea of "they will add both because of the anniversary"

Literally no one here is saying they will both get in. It's just speculation that it's a possibility because the direct is rumored to be very Mario-focused, which makes sense on their FLAGSHIP. PRIMARY. FRANCHISE, that is literally the mascot of their company, has its 35th anniversary this year.

Ehm, Kirby, and Legend of Zelda is two posterchild of Nintendo. Not as big as Mario, sure, but they are still poster children. Their games (Especially LoZ games) sell consoles on their own. And yes they would be crazy to add both of them since they have high demanded characters like Sora or Crash... two that are much more demanded then Waluigi... cover your bases as much as possible is way smarter than just put more egg in your "major basket"...

I even said this back when I responded the first time, but Zelda just doesn't get new reps and no one knows why. Kirby's another of those franchises that barely sees any love.

Mario though, Mario is their primary franchise and no one would bat an eye if they added 2 more to the Mario roster, especially when both are quite popular.

Also let me edit in a quick inb4: I am NOT saying it WILL happen. I'm saying it's a POSSIBILITY.

 

[Icewolff92]

Yes, their FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE, and the E3 direct is rumored to be VERY Mario-heavy, and both characters are very popular. You're comparing an apple to a carrot here.

Do you know what's funny? Breath of the Wild has sold more copies then Super Mario Odessey... So I guess this means two Zelda characters next year

Yeah that's not gonna happen unless we're also getting a remaster of the game again, and if they really want to piss off the Smash fanbase (and probably Sakurai to an extent).

I said that as a joke.

Also again: FE already got a character during their 30th anniversary: Byleth.

And people never thought Byleth would get in anyway, nor having someone like Arms being the one to "soften the blow afterward" Who knows what they are thinking (PS, I¨m just messing with ya since I don¨t think we are getting another FE character)

Literally no one here is saying they will both get in. It's just speculation that it's a possibility because the direct is rumored to be very Mario-focused, which makes sense on their FLAGSHIP. PRIMARY. FRANCHISE, that is literally the mascot of their company, has its 35th anniversary this year.

People are using it as a reason that they could happen, which is why I pointed out why I find it silly even with Mario being their mascot

PS, could Waluigi AND Geno happening.. Sure.. I just don¨t see it. If it happens, then neat... I just don¨t see it happening, even with this whole celebration in mind.

 

[Polarthief]

Do you know what's funny? Breath of the Wild has sold more copies then Super Mario Odessey... So I guess this means two Zelda characters next year

A game from their not flagship franchise outselling a game from their flagship franchise? I guess it's time to switch mascots.

It doesn't matter how well Zelda or even Pokemon does for that matter (considering Pokemon's the #1 media franchise of all time right now), Mario is their mascot and primary franchise.

And people never thought Byleth would get in anyway, nor having someone like Arms being the one to "soften the blow afterward" Who knows what they are thinking

But that wasn't my point. You were like "then we should get a 30th anniv FE character", and I was pointing out that we already did; don't spin my words into a completely different argument.

People are using it as a reason that they could happen, which is why I pointed it out.

But you didn't prove anything and it's still a possibility. If this E3 was rumored to be FE-focused instead, I'd say "yeah we're probably getting Lyn" or something like that, but the rumors (hence the possibility part; it could also not happen at all) have been that a lot of Mario stuff is coming for the 35th anniversary. We also have two Mario characters that have been snubbed by both Base game and FP1, and Nintendo's aware of the fan demand for both. If they were gonna add them both in, this would be the time to do it when all the hype and focus is on the Mario franchise. Again, it's totally possible it doesn't happen as well. It's also possible we get one of them but not both.

I even said last year* that if (again, if, as in "a possibility") Porky was getting in and Mother 3 was being ported officially to a Western release finally, last year would have been it. as it was Mother's 30th anniversary + year of the pig; the stars straight up aligned for that to happen 30 years ago when the first game was released in 1989. But it didn't happen and there's been no talk about a Mother 3 port, so I don't see it as likely anymore. Could Porky still get in? Of course. Could we still get a Mother 3 port to the West? Absolutely. Anything's possible, just like an FE rep could totally show up at E3 if they wanted to. Not as likely, but it's still a possibility.

* I didn't post it here since I wasn't a poster here during E3 2019. I did say it somewhere though and if I do stumble upon it, I'll be sure to screenshot it

PS, could Waluigi AND Geno happening.. Sure.. I just don¨t see it. If it happens, then neat... I just don¨t see it happening, even with this whole celebration in mind.

Wanna know a fun fact? I don't even see it happening because it's simply too good to be true. All I did was acknowledge it as a possibility. I do however think that #7 will be a Mario rep, assuming the rumors turn out to be true. PS: I'm only about 70-30 on if we're getting #6-8 reveals vs #6-7. If we do get 6-8, I see Geno *OR* Waluigi, and then another big rep like Crash happening instead. That said, I do think E3 will be quite big and spectacular for Mario and Smash fans overall

 

[Dorayaki]

Does K. Rool need time to shine again before his inclusion after a decade of his absence? Does he need a new DK game? Does he need to be playable in Mario Kart? Should he at least be playable in Mario Tennis? Should he be a mini boss in Tropical Freeze? Do Banjo and Kazooie need time to shine before they come back? Do they need to shine from a decade long absence from a game that didn’t sell that well, a game that a lot of people hated, and was an XBOX exclusive? Banjo Threeie on XBOX One and series X and a port to the Switch anyone? Does Pit need a Kid Icarus game on the GameCube before Brawl?

Asking retro franchsies like Ice Climbers to have new regular game appearances is a different story. The topics about characters like KRool is due to their absence from new games, not the fact about no new games.

It's like one town has a bakery, the other doesn't. People live in the town with bakery can decide whether they want bread for lunch, while people from the other town wouldn't even talk about that. You assume all people from both town should talk about bread.

And as I already said, if you did own the Mario games that Geno had chances to be in but failed, it is sure dissapointing. You mean he doesn't need to but why that sounds as if you're fine with that?

 

[Deleted member]

Asking retro franchsies like Ice Climbers to have new regular game appearances is a different story. The topics about characters like KRool is due to their absence from new games, not the fact about no new games.

It's like one town has a bakery, the other doesn't. People live in the town with bakery can decide whether they want bread for lunch, while people from the other town wouldn't even talk about that. You assume all people from both town should talk about bread.

And as I already said, if you did own the Mario games that Geno had chances to be in but failed, it is sure dissapointing. You mean he doesn't need to but why that sounds as if you're fine with that?

Well I agree that Geno needs more appearances but look, I would love Geno being playable in Mario Kart and a remake, but I’m not gonna wait even longer for Geno in Smash because Geno needs to be playable in a Tennis game. I don’t see the problem reviving a character in Smash then have more appearances in the future.

 

[Enigma735]

I don't mean to interrupt your guy's conversation, but I wanna make a more formal introduction to myself since I am still new here. My name is Enigma735, or you can just call me Enigma for short. For a while, I was trying to find a website where I can safely discuss my feelings about my most wanteds [Crash And Geno] and speculate about this game, because Smash is one of my absolute favorite video game franchises of all time.

I have used SmashFAQ's for a while and I realized how much of a mistake it was. While their was rarely ever any Crash hate, the website as a whole just had huge hate for Geno, and almost all of the users acted like Geno was this impossible character that would never get included and they would bully other members for even wanting him. I didn't really feel safe using that website. I always felt nervous expressing my feelings because I was afraid someone would ridicule me over my opinions and I couldn't take it anymore. That is where Smashboards comes in.

I'm not entirely new here, as I have made accounts in the past from like 5 years ago, but I never really used this site for really anything. It was recently when I decided I would actively use this site and become a regular member here. Anyways, I have taken a week or two to look at the difference between the SmashFAQs members and the Smashboards members and right away, I instantly enjoyed this environment more. All of the members I have seen have been pretty nice so far and very respectful over other people's thoughts and opinions and I really appreciate that. I actually don't feel nervous expressing my thoughts unlike in SmashFAQs.

Anyways, I really enjoy Smashboards and I don't know why I never really used it that much in the past. This is definitely one of my favorite ways to discuss and speculate about Smash and this will definitely be a website I will always come back to.

 

[SmashChu]

Geno does well in ballots actually. Look up any major poll in the last couple of years and you'll find Geno in the top 10 back to now consistently in the top 3. the difference between Geno and Waluigi is that Sakurai has attempted to make him playable in the past but was stonewalled for one reason or another likely due to the SE/Nintendo rights issues of the character so made him a mii fighter costume as a way to make him playable in some format. I'm not anti-waluigi per-se but I feel like a lot of people like you miss a pretty glaring issue. Sakurai has had zero restrictions on Waluigi this entire time. At no point has he ever addressed Waluigi's popularity. He is a non-entity to Sakurai unlike characters such as Geno, K. Rool, and Ridley. There's a clear difference there in the way he's spoken about them. It may just be a matter of taste or not really seeing how to make him an interesting fighter within smash. But the fact of the matter is that Sakurai has said not only that Geno is popular but that he'd work well as a fighter. Both things are important. Neither thing has been mentioned by Sakurai about Waluigi. Sakurai could give zero ****s about ""clout"" or what some random outlets ask in interviews.

When I say Ballot I mean he actual Smash Ballot you could respond to on the website. There are hundreds of polls out there so it's impossible to aggregate all of them. This is why it took till the official ballot to get some of the characters.

Again, and I see a few people mentioning that Geno is popular or Sakurai wants him in, but we don't ever see him get in. You can say he was stonewalled but they were made to make him a spirit, so they can use him in some regard. I wouldn't put much weight into what Sakurai says as it has yet to result in the character being added. On Waluigi, it's irrelevant as the point is Waluigi would be a big name character for E3 and Nintendo would request them. I don't think Sakurai would turn it down if they asked.

Just a reminder. Nintendo has definitely heard for both Geno and Waluigi. I could definitely see a double reveal of Geno+Wah in a Mario-focused E3.
Paraspikey also had a great post on this topic, back on page 2548. TL;DR: The guy from Nintendo who said that isn't some random, he's a veteran product marketing manager, which boils down to "Nintendo is aware of Geno and Wah".

Like I said before, a lot of characters are popular and they acknowledge that. But they can't add everyone. So while Nintendo has heard about Geno, they clearly aren't rushing to put him in. I emphasized Waluigi because he's a character that's gotten much more coverage which is more likely to stick in Nintendo's mind. It's one thing to say "Oh, there is this community that likes this character." It's another thing to have the press talk about them.

And this isn't to make every conversation Geno vs Waluigi. I'm talking about why Waluigi would be a big hitter style character. It gets a lot of attention when a character game journalist were asking about and a response so big that mainstream press wrote about it. The reason I bring up the point about exposure is just being popular on a message board probably isn't enough for Nintendo to take notice. It's one thing for them to recognize people like a character. It's another to make moves because they think this character will be a huge hit.

 

[Droodle]

My thoughts on Geno's chances of getting into Smash:
He has more then enough reason to get in just with demand. He doesn't really need anything else.

However, it's stupid to think that demand is the only thing that's important to get into Smash; chances are that it's only a small piece of a much bigger pie. Things like history, impact, recognition, sales, company relations, promotions, are all just as important as fan-demand in terms of "who" gets picked for Smash. A lot of people act like Nintendo just randomly picks from a list of potential candidates to decide who to put in, but I bet that they had a team of experts who literally analyze tons of data and look at future prospects in order to literally manufacture FP 1.

From the list above, Geno really only has fan-demand and improving company relations. Which is what most other "expected" 3rd party picks have too.

The thing that sets Geno apart currently is the amount of evidence pointed towards him right now. But let me assure you, until he is seen on screen he isn't anywhere near confirmed. For all we know all this evidence stacking up for him could just be another Isaac situation AKA there's a ton of evidence pointing towards Geno that just ends up leading him to be a Mii costume or worse not even a Mii.

Also another thing, just because this year is Mario's 35th anniversary DOES NOT mean that we're 99% getting a new Mario rep in Smash to celebrate, it rarely works that way for Nintendo. While Smash and Mario are hugely important to Nintendo, not every celebration revolves around a Smash collab; I can't really remember the last time the anniversary of a series was a hint towards who got into Smash.

Finally, even if we get a Mario rep, it is most likely between Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Geno coming next. There's no way they'd put in multiple reps from the same franchise in the same fighter's pass; even if it's Mario. All 3 of them have their own reasons to get in, but again none of them are guaranteed. Sure a suit at Nintendo said that they realize that both Waluigi and Geno are popular, but that should not be taken as a hint. Most of these decisions are made in Japan, not in America. Sakurai stated he wanted both ARMS and XC 2 fighters in Smash, and just because ARMS got confirmed doesn't mean that Rex is in. And Sakurai is the literal creator of the game. Saying something does not equal a hint.

TL;DR: Geno has a reason to get into Smash. No he isn't a lock like so many people here believe. There aren't going to be multiple Mario characters in this single pass, be realistic. No there isn't going to be a special "bonus" character, Smash team has their hands full with making FP 2; they aren't going to add in more work until after FP 2 is done, and currently Sakurai said that there are no plans for anything. And lastly, Nintendo knows what they're doing; I'm willing to bet they knew how most reveals from FP 1 would be taken by the larger community, they're professionals.

 

[MattX20]

I don't mean to interrupt your guy's conversation, but I wanna make a more formal introduction to myself since I am still new here. My name is Enigma735, or you can just call me Enigma for short. For a while, I was trying to find a website where I can safely discuss my feelings about my most wanteds [Crash And Geno] and speculate about this game, because Smash is one of my absolute favorite video game franchises of all time.

I have used SmashFAQ's for a while and I realized how much of a mistake it was. While their was rarely ever any Crash hate, the website as a whole just had a huge hate boner for Geno, and almost all of the users acted like Geno was this impossible character that would never get included and they would bully other members for even wanting him. I didn't really feel safe using that website. I always felt nervous expressing my feelings because I was afraid someone would ridicule me over my opinions and I couldn't take it anymore. That is where Smashboards comes in.

I'm not entirely new here, as I have made accounts in the past from like 5 years ago, but I never really used this site for really anything. It was recently when I decided I would actively use this site and become a regular member here. Anyways, I have taken a week or two to look at the difference between the SmashFAQs members and the Smashboards members and right away, I instantly enjoyed this environment more. All of the members I have seen have been pretty nice so far and very respectful over other people's thoughts and opinions and I really appreciate that. I actually don't feel nervous expressing my thoughts unlike in SmashFAQs.

Anyways, I really enjoy Smashboards and I don't know why I never really used it that much in the past. This is definitely one of my favorite ways to discuss and speculate about Smash and this will definitely be a website I will always come back to.

Welcome to the thread

 

[axel_]

-June 2019. Hero and Banjo revealed. Season 2 greenlit. Hero's presentation supposedly recorded around this time.

-Late July/Early August 2019. Hero released and Banjo presentation recorded. Terry is in a presentable state. Season 2 has already started development according to Sakurai. Byleth likely began development around this time.

This is false, actually. Sakurai explicitly said that the Banjo recording was recorded only a couple days after Hero's.

Sakurai never says when the Hero presentation was recorded, but due to the process of doing this simpler approach to introducing characters it can be inferred it was recorded closer to the release of Hero. So it's more like:


-June 2019. Hero and Banjo revealed. Season 2 greenlit.

-Late July/Early August 2019. Hero's presentation supposedly recorded around this time, and released much later. Banjo presentation recorded two days after Hero's. Terry is in a presentable state. Season 2 has already started development according to Sakurai. Byleth likely began development around this time.


Oh yeah, and one more thing I wanted to mention

-November 2019. Terry released and Byleth presentation recorded. It's already decided that Season 2 will be 6 packs at this point. 7 likely started around this time.

7 starting (and probably 8 being in the planning phase) around the same month of the Cacodemon and Mallow hats leaking is a...

Spoiler: pretty good coincidence...

 

[Deleted member]

My thoughts on Geno's chances of getting into Smash:
He has more then enough reason to get in just with demand. He doesn't really need anything else.

However, it's stupid to think that demand is the only thing that's important to get into Smash; chances are that it's only a small piece of a much bigger pie. Things like history, impact, recognition, sales, company relations, promotions, are all just as important as fan-demand in terms of "who" gets picked for Smash. A lot of people act like Nintendo just randomly picks from a list of potential candidates to decide who to put in, but I bet that they had a team of experts who literally analyze tons of data and look at future prospects in order to literally manufacture FP 1.

From the list above, Geno really only has fan-demand and improving company relations. Which is what most other "expected" 3rd party picks have too.

The thing that sets Geno apart currently is the amount of evidence pointed towards him right now. But let me assure you, until he is seen on screen he isn't anywhere near confirmed. For all we know all this evidence stacking up for him could just be another Isaac situation AKA there's a ton of evidence pointing towards Geno that just ends up leading him to be a Mii costume or worse not even a Mii.

Also another thing, just because this year is Mario's 35th anniversary DOES NOT mean that we're 99% getting a new Mario rep in Smash to celebrate, it rarely works that way for Nintendo. While Smash and Mario are hugely important to Nintendo, not every celebration revolves around a Smash collab; I can't really remember the last time the anniversary of a series was a hint towards who got into Smash.

Finally, even if we get a Mario rep, it is most likely between Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Geno coming next. There's no way they'd put in multiple reps from the same franchise in the same fighter's pass; even if it's Mario. All 3 of them have their own reasons to get in, but again none of them are guaranteed. Sure a suit at Nintendo said that they realize that both Waluigi and Geno are popular, but that should not be taken as a hint. Most of these decisions are made in Japan, not in America. Sakurai stated he wanted both ARMS and XC 2 fighters in Smash, and just because ARMS got confirmed doesn't mean that Rex is in. And Sakurai is the literal creator of the game. Saying something does not equal a hint.

TL;DR: Geno has a reason to get into Smash. No he isn't a lock like so many people here believe. There aren't going to be multiple Mario characters in this single pass, be realistic. No there isn't going to be a special "bonus" character, Smash team has their hands full with making FP 2; they aren't going to add in more work until after FP 2 is done, and currently Sakurai said that there are no plans for anything. And lastly, Nintendo knows what they're doing; I'm willing to bet they knew how most reveals from FP 1 would be taken by the larger community, they're professionals.

We should definitely be realistic on Tifa though. She’s still a bit unrealistic.

 

[Dorayaki]

Well, I agree that Geno needs more appearances. But look, I would love Geno being playable in Mario Kart and a remake, but I’m not gonna wait even longer for Geno in Smash because Geno needs to be playable in a Tennis game. I don’t see the problem reviving a character in Smash then have more appearances in the future.

Like how Roy's case was brought up, I think it's not about specific order, but how Nintendo take the ongoing projects into consideration, since the projects would run for a peroid. It's not that they didn't think about LM3 or SMM2 when Smash 5 was released.

Unlike Star Fox or Earthbound, Mario series projects are pretty much continuous, None of the Smash titles existed in a window peroid where no Mario games were in plans. There is exactly no situation where Geno cannot fit in new Mario titels so that Smash bros is the only place to go. Even now with mobile titles running, inserting Geno into a future Mario Kart Tour gacha event wouldn't be an impossible thing.

You can defend with KRool and plant piranha who don't seem to spefiically promote certain new Mario games, that's fine, but we wouldn't call that a wise plan. FE3H was kinda forced, but could be wise in Nintendo's viewpoint.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Said it before and I'll say it again, I just find all these "Mario or Pokemon have too many characters" arguments amusing. Most people saying this are salty Fire Emblem fans trying to be contrarian because their series is constantly put under that same light.

 

[DarkShadow20]

If we actually get Waluigi and Geno along side an Arms character, there's a chance that this pass will contain only 2 or 3 third party characters (considering that if Arms gets a character, then Rex should get in too).

I'm thinking this too, like maybe it will be the inverse of the first pass and have 4 first party and 2 third party. I could see them adding a new Pokemon, a character from BoTW 2, and a Mario character for the 35th anniversary alongside the Arms character. Geno's in a weird spot since he's a Mario character but also 3rd Party. As for the third party characters, a Capcom and/or Namco rep seem likely just based on missing costumes. I'm still hoping for Crash and Master Chief though.

 

[Polarthief]

The thing that sets Geno apart currently is the amount of evidence pointed towards him right now.

Is it weird that because your avatar is Edgeworth, and you said the word "evidence", I immediately read this line in his voice?

"Your Honor, the prosecution believes that the evidence points in favor of Mr. ♪!?."

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Unrelated but assuming the 3D Mario remaster rumors are true I'd like it if all the content from Super Mario 64 DS was transferred as well

 

[Dorayaki]

I'm thinking this too, like maybe it will be the inverse of the first pass and have 4 first party and 2 third party. I could see them adding a new Pokemon, a character from BoTW 2, and a Mario character for the 35th anniversary alongside the Arms character. Geno's in a weird spot since he's a Mario character but also 3rd Party. As for the third party characters, a Capcom and/or Namco rep seem likely just based on missing costumes. I'm still hoping for Crash and Master Chief though.

I thought we're supposed to count franchise representative, not company ownership, if ownership is only a secondary factor alongside franchise.

Otherwise it'd be weird for you to consider Geno equivalent with Crash and Master Chief even if their roles are clearly different. Being owned by third party wouldn't erase the fact he is from Mario series.