Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Vector Victor]

Sakurai says there's too many sword users. You know who doesn't use a sword? Geno.

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Checkmate.

Too many swordfighters also means fighting swords.

Sorry Geno, looks like its Blue Ruby Cat Goomba for Smash.

 

[StarBot]

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1224953803335553024?s=20


..... Huh.

I know this thread is gonna get outraged (even though you should 100% wait til the actual thing comes out)

But can I say how much I don't like how Push translate

I had to re-read this too many times, some of his English sounds broken

 

[Datboigeno]

Before the inevitable “IDK u guys I think Nintendo picking characters is bad for Geno akchually B^)” posts consider the following:

1. Nintendo chose to re-release SMRPG on VC several times and included it on the SNES Classic. They know it’s a popular game that can make them money.

2. They specifically referenced Geno during their random SMRPG anniversary Team Geno vs Team Mallow. Twitter poll a few years ago. They know the character is very popular. Also what a weird thing to essentially ask people which of these 2 specific characters from a then 23 year old game they prefer over the other.

3. They specifically referenced Geno in their sponsored HQ Trivia question selection that occurred the day before Smash released. This means that Nintendo is officially acknowledging the character outside of just social media for the sake of farming twitter interactions.

4. That Nintendo artist’s now deleted blogpost about how Geno had been heavily discussed at Nintendo offices a few years ago. Another piece of evidence that they know Geno is popular and are trying to figure out how to utilize the character.

5. This is all before the Grinch Leak that we know Nintendo was aware of and pissed off at the backlash of. They saw that people liked and wanted the character on the level of Banjo who ended up being their best received DLC character by far.

If there were a “surprise” fan pick Nintendo would go for it absolutely would have a high chance of being Geno.

 

[StarLight42]

Sorry but I don’t believe a lot of this stuff from the new column for a single second. Was always iffy on the idea of Nintendo choosing DLC and the fact that like, 3-4 characters of the pass feel like “Sakurai picks” kinda makes me doubt some of the stuff being said here.

Not trying to be petty or anything. It’s fine of Sakurai adds characters he personally wants. He makes the games after all.

I just hope Geno also would fall into the line of “Sakurai’s personal wants”, because that would be very good for us

 

[Spatulo]

“I’ve been presented with evidence that my viewpoint is wrong but I’m going to disregard it because it doesn’t match my viewpoint.”

Seein a lotta that rn.

 

[StarLight42]

“I’ve been presented with evidence that my viewpoint is wrong but I’m going to disregard it because it doesn’t match my viewpoint.”

Seein a lotta that rn.

You know, you can reply to my post if you want to , I don’t mind being called out if someone disagrees with me

And yeah, sure. I’m going directly against evidence. Just like I went against “evidence” that Bayonetta was the true winner of the Smash Ballot, and the “evidence” how Brawl would be the last Smash game.

Lmao. I even clarified that I don’t mind Sakurai adding characters he personally likes, but feel free to have that “burn the witch!” mentality.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I also like how Sakurai more or less says he's tired of swordsmen and if anymore are added they better be significantly more unique than what we've gotten so far. That's honestly a hard OOF for a lot of popular characters. Again, I've got Dante and Lloyd on my personal predictions and I think both dodge a bullet here.

-Neither Namco nor Capcom has a sword character yet.

-Dante fights with a sword and guns.

-Lloyd fights with two swords and team mechanics are basic gameplay of all the Tales games.

This also kind of highlights how Square technically has 5 sword users in Smash at the moment but let's just let that sit out and glisten in the sun for a bit.

 

[Spatulo]

You know, you can reply to my post if you want to , I don’t mind being called out if someone disagrees with me

And yeah, sure. I’m going directly against evidence. Just like I went against “evidence” that Bayonetta was the true winner of the Smash Ballot, and the “evidence” how Brawl would be the last Smash game.

Lmao. I even clarified that I don’t mind Sakurai adding characters he personally likes, but feel free to have that “burn the witch!” mentality.

Wasn’t only directed at you, that’s why I didn’t make it a reply to anybody lol. Witch burning seems a little dramatic though.

 

[StarLight42]

Wasn’t only directed at you, that’s why I didn’t make it a reply to anybody lol. Witch burning seems a little dramatic though.

Sorry, maybe that was a bit too extreme.

I just think that in general, people who disagree with PR statements get **** on a lot, even though we’ll never truly know what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I'm really curious who Sakurai's pick would have ended up being. Perhaps our possessed doll?

could of been anyone

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

This column doesn't change my stance much, I still think Sakurai has most of the cards on a smash pick but expected Nintendo to get at least one character they wanted free of charge. I also still think the one he wanted was Rex, despite the swordfighter comment. While we know he wanted Geno and has forever, I don't see him being the one Ninty blocked, sounds more of a mutual agreement for Hero.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

I was reading all this stuff about DLC and Nintendo corporate decisions and what not and I thought to myself, “Man, I wish Nintendo would just do another fighter ballot like they did with Smash 4, then they wouldn’t have to worry about what fans do and don’t want.”

Then I had a eureka moment. The fighter ballot, Geno’s mii costume was the only mii costume to have a splash screen. In one of the posts Fatmanonice recently made, he mentioned that this character was likely a promotion and also a character used during Smash 4’s DLC cycle.

If Sakurai was prevented from adding a character to the first wave of DLC so there would be enough room for their marketing pick, wouldn’t it make sense to hold back a character from an already represented company? Wouldn’t a character in this unique situation likely by Geno?

I could be way off the mark, but something about this idea made my brain start making the dial up sounds.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Neither Namco nor Capcom has a sword character yet.

-Dante fights with a sword and guns.

-Lloyd fights with two swords and team mechanics are basic gameplay of all the Tales games.

on the other side of the coin

Ammy fights with a sword, refelctor and rosery beads

Yuris attacks are flashy and way more fun to look at. Come on, Id rather see someone doing flips and kicking and spinning their sword around like they dont care about safety then simply seeing a character with *gasp* two swords as the main reason to have them in the game

 

[Vector Victor]

I hope this doesn't impact sword users since that's not their fault they use a very common video game weapon. Isaac, Dante, Rex, etc can offer something different with swords. It's just that people want them to stop defaulting to FE.

But uniqueness is nice, too. Geno, Phoenix Wright, DoomGuy, Crash, Dixie etc can offer different things.

Aw, hell, just add all of them.

 

[Deleted member]

I was reading all this stuff about DLC and Nintendo corporate decisions and what not and I thought to myself, “Man, I wish Nintendo would just do another fighter ballot like they did with Smash 4, then they wouldn’t have to worry about what fans do and don’t want.”

Then I had a eureka moment. The fighter ballot, Geno’s mii costume was the only mii costume to have a splash screen. In one of the posts Fatmanonice recently made, he mentioned that this character was likely a promotion and also a character used during Smash 4’s DLC cycle.

If Sakurai was prevented from adding a character to the first wave of DLC so there would be enough room for their marketing pick, wouldn’t it make sense to hold back a character from an already represented company? Wouldn’t a character in this unique situation likely by Geno?

I could be way off the mark, but something about this idea made my brain start making the dial up sounds.

If Sakurai said they are working on a character that was precious rejected my thoughts would be Heihachi or Geno.

 

[Spatulo]

Sorry, maybe that was a bit too extreme.

I just think that in general, people who disagree with PR statements get **** on a lot, even though we’ll never truly know what goes on behind the scenes.

No worries.

I get what you’re saying, but from my POV, I see a lot of anger and mistrust pointed at a guy who is pretty transparent as far as Japanese game devs go and, y’know, makes this thing we’re all supposedly fans of, so I get annoyed by people who seemingly treat the guy like he’s the enemy of Smash Bros (not saying you were, just in general)

 

[RetrogamerMax]

There is no point of adding Sephiroth. He’s not a fan favorite compared to Geno and Sora. Cloud is already there to appeal FF fans. Final Fantasy 7 Remake is unlikely to have plans for the Switch right now. And he’s not even worthy of a pack. They couldn’t even acquire a single piece of artwork in the base game and didn’t add any tracks including from other FF games.

Excuse me?! Sephiroth not worthy of being in a DLC pack? He might not be as popular as the doll and keyblade boi among the Smash community, but he is more than worthy of having a slot in Smash because he is one of the most iconic villains in gaming. Hell, the only villain in the roster right now that's more iconic than Sephiroth is Bowser and that says a lot about his status as a legendary video game villain only being topped by Bowser and Dr. Eggman in terms of iconic status among video game villains.

 

[Deleted member]

Excuse me?! Sephiroth not worthy of being in a DLC pack? He might not be as popular as the doll and keyblade boi among the Smash community, but he is more than worthy of having a slot in Smash because he is one of the most iconic villains in gaming. Hell, the only villain in the roster right now that's more iconic than Sephiroth is Bowser and that says a lot about his status as a legendary video game villain only being topped by Bowser and Dr. Eggman in terms of iconic status among video game villains.

No I mean he doesn’t make sense in a DLC pack because of the rights of FF.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

No I mean he doesn’t make sense in a DLC pack because of the rights of FF.

And he’s not even worthy of a pack.

Than why did you say he wasn't worthy of being in a pack? Because he is. Saying Sephiroth isn't worthy is almost like saying Dr. Eggman isn't worthy.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Tbh I am not sure whether Sakurai is telling the truth or not about Nintendo picking the DLC. I suppose it could be partially true or true in some cases and not just black and white true or false.

My problem still stems from the Rex comment. The only way that Sakurai hasn't lied about something is IF Byleth really wasn't decided until after he made the Rex comment which I suppose is possible but we can only arrive to such a conclusion through conjecture and guesswork. I'm thinking there really are at least some half truths that Sakurai is giving us. I'm not ready to call him a full-blown liar, but I'm not convinced he's been entirely truthful either. I think Sakurai is in a precarious position of having to choose his words with extreme prejudice and perhaps chose the wrong word choice or is getting caught in the web of half truths he's been building. I think he has legitimate reasons he'd want to tell half truths knowing this fanbase but he may have gone overboard this time. I don't know what to think. All I know is that I feel it's not really worth fighting over because we can never truly know another person's intentions even if we know them really well.

Sakurai's work speaks for itself so I don't think it's necessary to attack his character or assume the worst about him. The man is dealing with a game that is potentially a big PR nightmare since you cant possibly please every single person and I think because of that he has to say things a certain way and the way I see it, that's all there really is to it. There's no I'll will here. If Sakurai and/or Nintendo didn't care about the fans we wouldn't have the roster that we have. The dlc may not have been the best but look at all the characters we have in the game. Are we really going to sit here and bicker over the character of the man who has merged so many worlds in many unexpected ways?

I know this debate hits close to home for us Geno fans because Sakurai has said he wanted to put Geno in Smash and now we are wondering if we have reason to question the validity of that statement, but as has been said before, Sakurai just likes a lot of games and probably wants to see all characters he loves in the game. He can tell the truth that he wants Geno in Smash while still not prioritizing him. Geno not being playable has always been a very real possibility but if ends up not being playable it's certainly not because Sakurai lied about wanting Geno in or that Sakurai lied or harbors any disdain for the character it's just because the dude likes games and Nintendo clearly at least as has some influence if not total influence on the direction of DLC.

I don't think we have too many sword users just ones that are too similar. If Nightmare got added for example, he would be very different from other sword users. There are ways to differentiate fighters and still add new sword-users.

 

[Firox]

Before the inevitable “IDK u guys I think Nintendo picking characters is bad for Geno akchually B^)” posts consider the following:

1. Nintendo chose to re-release SMRPG on VC several times and included it on the SNES Classic. They know it’s a popular game that can make them money.

2. They specifically referenced Geno during their random SMRPG anniversary Team Geno vs Team Mallow. Twitter poll a few years ago. They know the character is very popular. Also what a weird thing to essentially ask people which of these 2 specific characters from a then 23 year old game they prefer over the other.

3. They specifically referenced Geno in their sponsored HQ Trivia question selection that occurred the day before Smash released. This means that Nintendo is officially acknowledging the character outside of just social media for the sake of farming twitter interactions.

4. That Nintendo artist’s now deleted blogpost about how Geno had been heavily discussed at Nintendo offices a few years ago. Another piece of evidence that they know Geno is popular and are trying to figure out how to utilize the character.

5. This is all before the Grinch Leak that we know Nintendo was aware of and pissed off at the backlash of. They saw that people liked and wanted the character on the level of Banjo who ended up being their best received DLC character by far.

If there were a “surprise” fan pick Nintendo would go for it absolutely would have a high chance of being Geno.

So you guys found the article, I take it? The one where Sakurai said that Nintendo explicitly picked Byleth over another character that Sakurai favored more? Here's my thoughts on the matter:

-First off, it DOES kind of worry me that a Sakurai favorite is probably dead because of Nintendo. While this could be ominously referring to Geno, it could also be referring to Rex or a myriad of other characters. On the other hand, it could actually be a good thing, given how many people didn't like other Sakurai Specials such as Wii Fit, Duck Hunt and PP. If it was Goomba, I'd probably rejoice.

-I agree that before we start caving in to despair, it's important to note that B-K is the most powerful inclusion in Geno's favor. Why? Because it proves that Nintendo is not only willing to fulfill fan demand, but also that being a third party character from a dead franchise is NOT an obstacle. Also, the lack of a Mii costume is still highly suspicious.

-Lastly, I think it's important to note that the DLC isn't simply decided by Nintendo and vetoed if necessary by Sakurai. It looks like Sakurai can still recommend characters, however Nintendo also has the power to overrule. At the end of the day, we still don't know 100% exactly how the collaboration works, only that Nintendo does in fact have the final say.

-Lastly, lastly, there is still the minute possibility that Sakurai just SAYS that Nintendo is fully responsible for Byleth so as to avoid backlash. Granted, I'm inclined to believe what he says, however there is still the possibility.

 

[Spatulo]

Tbh I am not sure whether Sakurai is telling the truth or not about Nintendo picking the DLC. I suppose it could be partially true or true in some cases and not just black and white true or false.

My problem still stems from the Rex comment. The only way that Sakurai hasn't lied about something is IF Byleth really wasn't decided until after he made the Rex comment which I suppose is possible but we can only arrive to such a conclusion through conjecture and guesswork. I'm thinking there really are at least some half truths that Sakurai is giving us. I'm not ready to call him a full-blown liar, but I'm not convinced he's been entirely truthful either. I think Sakurai is in a precarious position of having to choose his words with extreme prejudice and perhaps chose the wrong word choice or is getting caught in the web of half truths he's been building. I think he has legitimate reasons he'd want to tell half truths knowing this fanbase but he may have gone overboard this time. I don't know what to think. All I know is that I feel it's not really worth fighting over because we can never truly know another person's intentions even if we know them really well.

Sakurai's work speaks for itself so I don't think it's necessary to attack his character or assume the worst about him. The man is dealing with a game that is potentially a big PR nightmare since you cant possibly please every single person and I think because of that he has to say things a certain way and the way I see it, that's all there really is to it. There's no I'll will here. If Sakurai and/or Nintendo didn't care about the fans we wouldn't have the roster that we have. The dlc may not have been the best but look at all the characters we have in the game. Are we really going to sit here and bicker over the character of the man who has merged so many worlds in many unexpected ways?

I know this debate hits close to home for us Geno fans because Sakurai has said he wanted to put Geno in Smash and now we are wondering if we have reason to question the validity of that statement, but as has been said before, Sakurai just likes a lot of games and probably wants to see all characters he loves in the game. He can tell the truth that he wants Geno in Smash while still not prioritizing him. Geno not being playable has always been a very real possibility but if ends up not being playable it's certainly not because Sakurai lied about wanting Geno in or that Sakurai lied or harbors any disdain for the character it's just because the dude likes games and Nintendo clearly at least as has some influence if not total influence on the direction of DLC.

I don't think we have too many sword users just ones that are too similar. If Nightmare got added for example, he would be very different from other sword users. There are ways to differentiate fighters and still add new sword-users.

Rex’s situation is actually really simple. Sakurai’s comments were about the base game not the DLC. If Xenoblade 2 had started development earlier Rex would’ve been in the base game but it didn’t so he wasn’t. That’s it, no conspiracy.

 

[Fatmanonice]

on the other side of the coin

Ammy fights with a sword, refelctor and rosery beads

Yuris attacks are flashy and way more fun to look at. Come on, Id rather see someone doing flips and kicking and spinning their sword around like they dont care about safety then simply seeing a character with *gasp* two swords as the main reason to have them in the game

Not to get super heavy on Lloyd but Lloyd is very flashy too:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7usGddnyc

 

[Deleted member]

Than why did you say he wasn't worthy of being in a pack? Because he is. Saying Sephiroth isn't worthy is almost like saying Dr. Eggman isn't worthy.

He’s better off as individual DLC. Nintendo can’t even get more than 2 tracks and a measly PNG for a spirit board.

 

[Heoj]

Sephiroth getting in would be really damn disappointing for me personally because 1. I'm not a fan of final fantasy, i bought one ff game on the switch and i haven't finished it at all, 2. I don't care for sephiroth at all, he isn't appealing to me, 3. He kills genos chances. When i combine all those points it would make sephiroth the most disappointing reveal of all time for me personally.

If you like sephiroth then that's cool but i personally REALLY don't want him.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Not to get super heavy on Lloyd but Lloyd is very flashy too:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7usGddnyc

I personally see Yuri as the flashier fighter so Id have to Professionaly and respectfully dissagree

 

[RetrogamerMax]

He’s better off as individual DLC. Nintendo can’t even get more than 2 tracks and a measly PNG for a spirit board.

I agree to disagree honestly. I think either option would be appropriate for Sephiroth.

 

[Lord Woomy]

I've been done with stretching Sakurai's words like this ever since I got BTFOed with the Grinch Leak. Unless it's revealed that it was a joke 2 seconds afterwards, Sakurai seems to say everything at face value.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Rex’s situation is actually really simple. Sakurai’s comments were about the base game not the DLC. If Xenoblade 2 had started development earlier Rex would’ve been in the base game but it didn’t so he wasn’t. That’s it, no conspiracy.

That makes sense. Like I said I don't think the man harbors any I'll will. I don't think it's worth building conspiracy theories over. There very likely are some half truths but I think that just comes with the PR game and like I said Sakurai's work speaks for itself so it's not worth it nor reasonable to attack his character.

 

[SSGuy]

Geno: Destroyer of Swords

That is why everyone with a FE/Anime avatar hates Geno. Smithy is the true creator of the Fire Emblem franchise.

 

[Firox]

Sephiroth getting in would be really damn disappointing for me personally because 1. I'm not a fan of final fantasy, i bought one ff game on the switch and i haven't finished it at all, 2. I don't care for sephiroth at all, he isn't appealing to me, 3. He kills genos chances. When i combine all those points it would make sephiroth the most disappointing reveal of all time for me personally.

If you like sephiroth then that's cool but i personally REALLY don't want him.

That's pretty fair. It's totally understandable to not want a character you have no connection with. I also agree that Sephiroth would pretty much kill Geno, but for me personally, if ANYONE from SE was going to kill Geno, I'd rather it be him. He really is one of the most iconic video game badasses in existence and the general public would go ape **** to see him. That said, I honestly doubt he'll get in given how insanely stingy SE is with FF VII stuff. Cloud currently holds the record for the least amount of content of any franchise in the game. I highly doubt they would more than double the FF content for a single DLC character.

 

[Organization XIII]

Tbh I am not sure whether Sakurai is telling the truth or not about Nintendo picking the DLC. I suppose it could be partially true or not true in some cases and not just black and white true or false.

I think that's most likely the best way to look at it. I'm sure there was a lot more going on in the character selection than just one side controlling everything.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I personally see Yuri as the flashier fighter so Id have to Professionaly and respectfully dissagree

That's fair. My whole thing on Lloyd is that he's a berserker. Smash does not have that yet. The closest thing we have to that is Roy. Lloyd uses twin swords, is very flashy and jumpy, and a bit reckless. Most of his techs are him literally lunging at his opponent in some fashion. Think Link's dash attack but an entire moveset. Imagine Shiek or Little Mac with a sword and that's basically the attack style of Lloyd. I personally think that would be really refreshing for a sword character.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That is why everyone with a FE/Anime avatar hates Geno. Smithy is the true creator of the Fire Emblem franchise.

Santa Claus created the Fire Emblem universe and the anime/manga universe.

That's fair. My whole thing on Lloyd is that he's a berserker. Smash does not have that yet. The closest thing we have to that is Roy. Lloyd uses twin swords, is very flashy and jumpy, and a bit reckless. Most of his techs are him literally lunging at his opponent in some fashion. Think Link's dash attack but an entire moveset. Imagine Shiek or Little Mac with a sword and that's basically the attack style of Lloyd. I personally think that would be really refreshing for a sword character.

Lloyd sounds like he would be top tier in Ultimate's meta game.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree to disagree honestly. I think either option would be appropriate for Sephiroth.

No not really. Especially in a pack full of different content.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

That's fair. My whole thing on Lloyd is that he's a berserker. Smash does not have that yet. The closest thing we have to that is Roy. Lloyd uses twin swords, is very flashy and jumpy, and a bit reckless. Most of his techs are him literally lunging at his opponent in some fashion. Think Link's dash attack but an entire moveset. Imagine Shiek or Little Mac with a sword and that's basically the attack style of Lloyd. I personally think that would be really refreshing for a sword character.

There is one move in particular of Yuris that I love called Dragin swarm. Idk how he does that flips and is able to make his sword spin in the air but he does it, off

 

[egaddmario]

Not to get super heavy on Lloyd but Lloyd is very flashy too:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qh7usGddnyc

Why do a ton of these moves remind me of Mii Swordfighter?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Why do a ton of these moves remind me of Mii Swordfighter?

Why does Lloyd's voice remind me of Robin from Teen Titans?

 

[Fatmanonice]

It's kind of ironic that we're now back to where we were after the 2018 November Direct.

>Nintendo adds Plant.

"Nintendo hates the fanbase."

>Sakurai says Nintendo picked DLC.

"They're all going to be shill picks!"

>Nintendo adds Joker, Hero, Banjo, and Terry.

"These are really good picks!"

>Fanbase gets comically high expectations for 5. Gets BTFO large enough that Nostradamus probably predicted it.

"Nintendo hates the fanbase."

>Sakurai says Nintendo picked DLC, again.

"Everyone in Season 2 is going to be a shill pick!"

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It's kind of ironic that we're now back to where we were after the 2018 November Direct.

>Nintendo adds Plant.

"Nintendo hates the fanbase."

>Sakurai says Nintendo picked DLC.

"They're all going to be shill picks!"

>Nintendo adds Joker, Hero, Banjo, and Terry.

"These are really good picks!"

>Fanbase gets comically high expectations for 5. Gets BTFO large enough that Nostradamus probably predicted it.

"Nintendo hates the fanbase."

>Sakurai says Nintendo picked DLC, again.

"Everyone in Season 2 is going to be a shill pick!"

Season Pass 2 will definitely have it's Banjo & Kazooie and I think it's going to be Geno.