Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Springwood Slasher]

Oh dear, this is torture at this point. I’ve just been silently watching you guys in this thread trying to get all happy about Geno in Smash for awhile now. But this days worth of posts has just been painful. It’s just the same arguments posted over and over in a loop, and every time someone in this thread asks for it to stop it just goes on and on.

It’s one thing to try and correct someone over Sora and 2B’s chances and how you think they’re more likely than others think. It’s another thing to just keep going through the same points, for the same characters, without reaching a conclusion. At this point, the arguments are starting to make less and less sense. Maybe this should be talked out privately and not across pages of a thread putting it at risk of another ban. I don’t care who started it or what, it’s time for this to stop!

without sounding too negative, I’m gonna second this. I love the spiritedness but I think the convo needs to chug along. The last 3 pages have felt like a circular blur.

who’s excited for Geno?!?! Do we think he will be a glass cannon to mirror his horrible defence in Super Mario RPG? Or maybe he will be another zoner with all of his fun attachments? I always envisioned him having good recovery too...not exceptional like K Rool, but maybe like Peach/Pit level of recovery.

 

[link2702]

The reason things have devolved to just going in circles like this is partly cuz the topic get's locked and users get banned when anything else is brought up....many of the regulars have actually stopped posting in part cuz of it.


I suspect this'll probably happen to me and/or I'll get a warning for this post...


SO to try and get back to a more mario RPG/geno focus...I'm thinking of "attemptiing" my no equipment run again in SMRPG, but this time on the SNES mini. I love my original but it was hell getting just to forest maze and then having my end up with a data corruption moment. All that time and effort lost.

I say "attempting" because tbh I'm probably gonna cheat up til I get to rose town and use some equipment, and then ditch it after. Really that took quite a bit of time and I'm taking classes right now so I feel like getting back to at least the point I was at using equipment is fair enough...

 

[ActualGarbage]

I must say, you know you're doing a good job of antagonizing a thread when you're making the lurkers want to stop checking it.

As a certified lurker, I nod my head from the abyss without saying anything because I don't want to add anything else to this.

 

[valkiriforce]

For something on topic, how do y'all feel about original soundtrack versus remixes for Geno's music? I'd love for it to mostly be remixes.

I am also leaning on the part of remixes, cause I love the opportunity to get any kind of official remixes for regular listening. Would love to hear a remix of Fight Against An Armed Boss while doing battles.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I must say, you know you're doing a good job of antagonizing a thread when you're making the lurkers want to stop checking it.

Citation is needed on that claim. Just saying.

 

[JudgeHeihachi]

Its not just that. Ironically enough, if we look at it historically, Sakurai wanting a character in is actually a death knell rather than hope.

Characters that he has stated to want, but haven’t been made playable yet.

Mach Rider
Geno
Takamaru
Ayumi Tachibana
Rex

Characters that Sakurai has openly rejected but got in later.

Villager
Miis
Ridley
Chrom
Pac Man

You see what I mean?

I just want to add that Heihachi was also in consideration for Smash 4

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I just want to add that Heihachi was also in consideration for Smash 4

Ironically enough, if what I posted checks out, he could actually be very likely for the next pass now that I think about it.

Since he would fall under the category with Villager, Pac Man, Ridley, ect if he got in.

 

[JudgeHeihachi]

Ironically enough, if what I posted checks out, he could actually be very likely for the next pass now that I think about it.

Since he would fall under the category with Villager, Pac Man, Ridley, ect if he got in.

Yes the situation would parallel Pac-Man in several ways. Being a Bamco character and having a moveset that is not easy to implement

 

[Fatmanonice]

>The brand manager comment happened before Season 2 was decided. Try again
>I already debunked the idea of “MUST HAVE PORTS!!!” but you completely ignored it.
>If I am not mistaken, a rep over at Disney said that they would be fine with Sora in Smash, but you somehow twist this as a negative for Sora?
>Just because she is competition for your most wanted, doesn’t mean that you suddenly throw 2Bs chances into a garbage can entirely. And if you are going to use Sakurais word as evidence for Geno, just know that he thinks of Nier Automata as a masterpiece.

https://www.sourcegaming.info/2017/03/15/thinking-outside-the-box-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-526/

Also, I addresed many of the points you claim make Geno super likely, but you glanced over them entirely, lol.

-The brand manager interview is about two weeks before E3 2019. We've established in this thread that Season 2 was likely decided by the end of 2018 and green lit by E3 2019. We know that Hero and Banjo were likely negotiated for by the end of the summer of 2018. If the guy who is literally in charge of all marketing decisions concerning Kingdom Hearts says "there's no plans" about two weeks out from when work likely officially began on Season 2, that's not a good sign.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tw...rmed-debut-super-smash-bros-ultimate/amp.html

-Your argument against the significance of ports falls flat because the two franchises you toted, Final Fantasy and Shin Megami Tensei, both have extensive histories on Nintendo platforms and games in the double digits. To drive this nail in deeper, there are more Persona exclusives on Nintendo platforms than Kingdom Hearts. Persona has two, Kingdom Hearts has none.

-Disney's statement is a negative because they full on say that Nintendo would have to approach them, not the other way around. Nintendo has to do that footwork and set up the meetings. That's not a good sign. That's like me telling you I'm hungry but you have to cook so we can both eat.

-Sakurai is literally a video game enthusiast and collector. He plays everything and he likes a ton of stuff. This doesn't mean it's all coming to Smash. I'm not even going to bother going deeper with the 2B stuff because it's basically Kos-Mos all over again. Remember when Nokoruru was totally going to be the SNK rep over Terry because...? Good times.

 

[cosmicB]

This is just one of the things that's absolutely exhausting about this thread. Yes, we can absolutely take it face value that Doom Guy probably isn't coming because of what his creators have said but when the brand manager for Kingdom Hearts says there's no plans for Sora in Smash and Disney says Nintendo has to approach them about it, let's just ignore that. No Kingdom Hearts ports? Let's ignore that too. Sakurai never really talking about the topic of Kingdom Hearts in Smash? Throw it on the pile. Square Enix regularly making public excuses for not bringing Kingdom Hearts games to Nintendo platforms in over the course of a decade despite constant and loud fan demand? Let's just add that to the ignore list too. Don't even get me started on the 2B stuff because that's honestly about 100 times more insufferable.

On the topic of ignoring things, let's just ignore anything positive on the side of Geno. Ignore the fan demand. Ignore the longevity. Ignore Sakurai's own words. Ignore three rereleases of SMRPG in 12 years. Ignore the Mii costume. Ignore that it's now missing despite obvious efforts to bring back the third party Smash 4 costumes. Ignore the stark reality that in 2020 we're still seriously talking about a one off Super Nintendo character to begin with. Ignore the only goal post left is "no promotions" and it will literally take a single one to obliterate this. Once you've done all this, just quietly accept that you're all plebs and the next Square Enix character is clearly going to be Brave Fencer Musashi. Geno fans BTFO today, tomorrow, and forever.

I don't know why you're getting so heated over what is ultimately speculation. And I'm not sure what you're talking about with Square Enix making excuses. Is this some interview I'm unaware of that doesn't directly reference Nomura's graphic addiction, because that's generally the stated reason for no mainline games coming to Nintendo platforms, and it's not like the franchise has no representation on Nintendo stuff in general. Chain of Memories and Dream Drop Distance were both incredibly important games in the KH canon and they were Nintendo platform exclusives for a long time (with one coming out in the last decade, so not sure where the "over a decade" thing is coming from). And I don't get how 2B is relevant when she hasn't been mentioned in several pages.

The idea that there's absolutely nothing going for Sora is just not true. Deep Sakurai and Nomura friendship, fan demand from all regions (Geno is just one region and the one Sakurai doesn't care the most about), semi-important Nintendo history, etc. I've already said I think Geno is more likely due to the high barrier required to get Sora in and a lot of other evidence pointing toward Geno, but it seems weird to dismiss him outright unless you have information the rest of us don't.

Edit: Actually, Nomura has showed a lot of love to Nintendo over the years in general. He's dumped almost every bit of required non-mainline KH reading onto Nintendo platforms (Birth By Sleep is effectively a mainline game since it's KH0). Both the Tokyo and Osaka team are very clearly Nintendo fans and I wonder if that could influence things in the future.

 

[Plank08]

So I’m out of the loop, did nessdeltarune shut down his account since he lost the bet?

 

[Deleted member]

So I’m out of the loop, did nessdeltarune shut down his account since he lost the bet?

He got banned... again

 

[Megadoomer]

So I’m out of the loop, did nessdeltarune shut down his account since he lost the bet?

He was temporarily banned due to warnings. On a related note, there's no need for anyone to reply to his posts here while he's banned, since he can't respond.

 

[Franco Geno]

So I’m out of the loop, did nessdeltarune shut down his account since he lost the bet?

Not yet

 

[Spatulo]

-The brand manager interview is about two weeks before E3 2019. We've established in this thread that Season 2 was likely decided by the end of 2018 and green lit by E3 2019. We know that Hero and Banjo were likely negotiated for by the end of the summer of 2018. If the guy who is literally in charge of all marketing decisions concerning Kingdom Hearts says "there's no plans" about two weeks out from when work likely officially began on Season 2, that's not a good sign.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tw...rmed-debut-super-smash-bros-ultimate/amp.html

-Your argument against the significance of ports falls flat because the two franchises you toted, Final Fantasy and Shin Megami Tensei, both have extensive histories on Nintendo platforms and games in the double digits. To drive this nail in deeper, there are more Persona exclusives on Nintendo platforms than Kingdom Hearts. Persona has two, Kingdom Hearts has none.

-Disney's statement is a negative because they full on say that Nintendo would have to approach them, not the other way around. Nintendo has to do that footwork and set up the meetings. That's not a good sign. That's like me telling you I'm hungry but you have to cook so we can both eat.

-Sakurai is literally a video game enthusiast and collector. He plays everything and he likes a ton of stuff. This doesn't mean it's all coming to Smash. I'm not even going to bother going deeper with the 2B stuff because it's basically Kos-Mos all over again. Remember when Nokoruru was totally going to be the SNK rep over Terry because...? Good times.

To my dearest Overweight Gentleman Upon Frozen Water,

Whilst I and many others amongst the Brotherhood of Geno no doubt respect your valor in eternally defending His honor, I cannot help but believe that the invisible one with whom you are doing Battle is not engaging in this discussion with the purpose of gaining or sharing knowledge, but rather simply for the purpose of, in layman’s terms, “stirring ****.” I refer to this individual as invisible as I have purposely rendered their content posted upon this forum as such, and this action has done nothing but improve my experience. While I have no doubt in my mind that your presented arguments are superior to that of this individual, it appears that this is a moot point, as the effect is likened to that of attempting to defeat a monkey at chess. You can make all the correct moves, and yet it will still flip the board over and appear proud of itself. For this reason, I question the purpose of continuing in attempts to inform this individual. As the old adage goes, you can lead a horse to water, but it might still **** on your shoes.

Very respectfully,
Sir S. Ulo, Esq.

 

[Plank08]

I’m just saying..getting into the Star road discord is a good backup plan...

 

[AugustusB]

OK...let me try something crazy here.

For everyone who DOES NOT see Geno as a lock, please like this status.

Alright. Glad to know we can agree NOTHING is guaranteed. Also thanks for the free likes suckers!!! Muwhahahaha!

 

[HudU]

I’m sorry that people share opposing viewpoints every once in awhile on this thread.

Also, you continue to claim “FAN THEORY!!!!” for Spirits, but you are all 0-5 so far. (0-6 if you count Piranha Plant)

Funny that you mention that, because it literally has to be 1-? for any of this not to matter.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't know why you're getting so heated over what is ultimately speculation. And I'm not sure what you're talking about with Square Enix making excuses. Is this some interview I'm unaware of that doesn't directly reference Nomura's graphic addiction, because that's generally the stated reason for no mainline games coming to Nintendo platforms, and it's not like the franchise has no representation on Nintendo stuff in general. Chain of Memories and Dream Drop Distance were both incredibly important games in the KH canon and they were Nintendo platform exclusives for a long time (with one coming out in the last decade, so not sure where the "over a decade" thing is coming from). And I don't get how 2B is relevant when she hasn't been mentioned in several pages.

The idea that there's absolutely nothing going for Sora is just not true. Deep Sakurai and Nomura friendship, fan demand from all regions (Geno is just one region and the one Sakurai doesn't care the most about), semi-important Nintendo history, etc. I've already said I think Geno is more likely due to the high barrier required to get Sora in and a lot of other evidence pointing toward Geno, but it seems weird to dismiss him outright unless you have information the rest of us don't.

Edit: Actually, Nomura has showed a lot of love to Nintendo over the years in general. He's dumped almost every bit of required non-mainline KH reading onto Nintendo platforms (Birth By Sleep is effectively a mainline game since it's KH0). Both the Tokyo and Osaka team are very clearly Nintendo fans and I wonder if that could influence things in the future.

The argument wasn't Sora doesn't have anything going for them, the argument is that there are a ton of red flags that people blow off and it's honestly just deja vu of Megaman for Brawl and Snake for Smash 4 among others. A company repeatedly says "no plans?" They're obviously kidding and we can totally ignore this with absolutely no consequences in the event that, voila, they were actually being totally upfront and not playing 25th dimensional underwater Scrabble with the fanbase. This is what kills me. If Doom Guy's developers' comments are a kill shot, so are the ones against Travis and Sora. Fair's fair.

 

[Plank08]

Why are we still talking about Sora like he’s a disease? HES NOT OWNED BY SQUARE, he and Geno are NOT in competition.

 

[valkiriforce]

25th dimensional underwater Scrabble

I nearly misread this as 25th dimensional underwear Scrabble and I'm dying

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I heard WAY too much about Drama going on in this thread. LOL.

My new Llama character demands that this is a no drama zone. The No Drama Llama

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Ah yes, Ayumi Tachibana, the absolute juggernaut of Smash speculation. A Japanese exclusive who has virtually no demand and last major appearance was in 1997. Her and Geno are literally the same... How the hell are we actually having these arguments?

I remember supporting her tbh. RIP All the obscure bois and girls who will never get to geno levels

 

[AugustusB]

View attachment 259934I heard WAY too much about Drama going on in this thread. LOL.

My new Llama character demands that this is a no drama zone. The No Drama Llama

Move over Geno, hello No Drama Llama for Smash!

 

[cosmicB]

The argument wasn't Sora doesn't have anything going for them, the argument is that there are a ton of red flags that people blow off and it's honestly just deja vu of Megaman for Brawl and Snake for Smash 4 among others. A company repeatedly says "no plans?" They're obviously kidding and we can totally ignore this with absolutely no consequences in the event that, voila, they were actually being totally upfront and not playing 25th dimensional underwater Scrabble with the fanbase. This is what kills me. If Doom Guy's developers' comments are a kill shot, so are the ones against Travis and Sora. Fair's fair.

Ah okay, that's fair. Well, mostly. There are absolutely developers that I would not take anything they say at face value in regards to stuff like that. Suda51 is one of them and I wouldn't consider anything he says a killshot toward Travis. Even moreso Yoko Taro with 2B (seriously, just read some of the guy's interviews, his brain does not work like a normal person's).

But yeah, I wouldn't expect most of Nintendo or Square to lie in regards to Sora. At least no more than I would expect the Doom people to lie.

 

[MisterMike]

View attachment 259934I heard WAY too much about Drama going on in this thread. LOL.

My new Llama character demands that this is a no drama zone. The No Drama Llama

Speaking of Llamas, have any of you heard of the game YIIK? It's kind of ****, and it has an Alpaca boss that comes up out of nowhere while a character is contemplating self-induced forever sleep.

I bring this up because I don't think Geno would probably support us doing the self-induced forever sleep.

 

[JarBear]

I like the ignore button, sometime so get confused rwgsrding the latest conversations in why it get heated. Then I turn it off and realize no wonder. I wonder what it would be like to go to other support threads and crap on them and be all entitled. So tiring.

I just want to speculate on Geno and not have crap. I don’t do that to other threads, why such commenters keep coming back? I advise people to just click on that ignore button...

anyway, geno in yet?

 

[ActualGarbage]

Speaking of Llamas, have any of you heard of the game YIIK? It's kind of ****, and it has an Alpaca boss that comes up out of nowhere while a character is contemplating self-induced forever sleep.

I bring this up because I don't think Geno would probably support us doing the self-induced forever sleep.

Never mention that cursed name in this holy land ever again.

 

[Fatmanonice]

>Get told repeatedly to lower our expectations for Geno to be "realistic."

>Okay, here's all the realistic reasons you should lower your expectations for Sora, Sephiroth, and 2B.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/bc6ecb32c94a0c1cece0f9b08e7c811c/tenor.gif?itemid=12242207

The Smashboards Geno Thread™: Rinsing and repeating since 2018.

 

[DarkShadow20]

I like the ignore button, sometime so get confused rwgsrding the latest conversations in why it get heated. Then I turn it off and realize no wonder. I wonder what it would be like to go to other support threads and crap on them and be all entitled. So tiring.

I just want to speculate on Geno and not have crap. I don’t do that to other threads, why such commenters keep coming back? I advise people to just click on that ignore button...

anyway, geno in yet?

Agreed. The ignore button is a great thing. It’s kind of a waste of time to argue with someone on the internet. Neither person is going to change the other’s mind, so what’s the point?

And one has to wonder why the people who keep getting banned repeatedly come back just to stir the pot? I think the old saying, “don’t feed the troll” applies here.

 

[3DSNinja]

Beautiful! simply beautiful!
Everyone, go to Rate Their Chances and start nominating Dan Hibiki.
anyways, do y'all think the paper Mario rumors are true, and are you happy if they are true.
For me, I would LOVE a new paper Mario game. Especially in the style of TTYD

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

LOL, I just realized this latest DLC is: "2 byleths 1 cuphead"

 

[ActualGarbage]

LOL, I just realized this latest DLC is: "2 byleths 1 cuphead"

Why'd you have to say that.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

>Get told repeatedly to lower our expectations for Geno to be "realistic."

>Okay, here's all the realistic reasons you should lower your expectations for Sora, Sephiroth, and 2B.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/bc6ecb32c94a0c1cece0f9b08e7c811c/tenor.gif?itemid=12242207

The Smashboards Geno Thread™: Rinsing and repeating since 2018.

I honestly thought the only thing that would hold Geno back would be that he would have to come with music and a stage and that they likely wouldn't do that for a franchise that was already represented.

And then Byleth happened, so.

I obviously thought that Spirits Disconfirmed for the first Pass since Spirits were decides as DLC was being decided but I think they're fair game for FP2.

 

[Polarthief]

I honestly thought the only thing that would hold Geno back would be that he would have to come with music and a stage and that they likely wouldn't do that for a franchise that was already represented.

That's the weirdest barrier ever. Even excluding Byleth breaking the barrier, why would that be a rule? Assist Trophies are one thing. Spirits for Base/FP1 made sense. But this? I don't get that at all.

Also some people seem to think there's no stage they could make and not enough music when I've already pointed out many moons ago how untrue both of these statements are. I had a hard time picking 10~15 tracks because of how many good ones exist.

 

[AugustusB]

I honestly thought the only thing that would hold Geno back would be that he would have to come with music and a stage and that they likely wouldn't do that for a franchise that was already represented.

And then Byleth happened, so.

I obviously thought that Spirits Disconfirmed for the first Pass since Spirits were decides as DLC was being decided but I think they're fair game for FP2.

This is honestly how I see it as well. The First Pass was obvious that 'Spirits were not happening'. However, just about everything is back on the table.

Assist Trophies...I personally do not see happening. Though it would be neat to see one get the promotion.

EDIT: Polarthief I think the assumption was, and always was, that everything we have seen from Fighter 1-4 is absolutely new. So yeah, Fighter 5 HAD to be new...but it wasn't. Instead it proved franchises already in the game CAN get a new Fighter.

 

[Malo Mart]

Welp, the recent arguments have made me relive my days of lurking for a bit after becoming a regular for a few months, aside from making a couple posts to brighten the mood and failing, meanwhile some current lurkers came out of the woodwork to comment on the matter. Quite the switcheroo, huh? Glad it's over... hopefully

By the by, have I reminded you guys that Cacomallow is real yet?

 

[SSGuy]

By the by, have I reminded you guys that Cacomallow is real yet?

I still have doubts on Cacomallow but hopefully we find out within the next mii costume wave.

 

[Polarthief]

I think the assumption was, and always was, that everything we have seen from Fighter 1-4 is absolutely new. So yeah, Fighter 5 HAD to be new...but it wasn't. Instead it proved franchises already in the game CAN get a new Fighter.

Oh no yeah that's totally fair but not exactly what they said. I expected new myself, but I had a good feeling that FP2 wouldn't have that rule anymore since they were gonna do FP1 all new series to Smash then FP2 would be new or old, doesn't matter more fan/shill advertising picks. Byleth breaking the "new rule" basically confirms that FP2 will be what I was expecting since not even FP1 stuck to a rule.

Assist Trophies...I personally do not see happening. Though it would be neat to see one get the promotion.

I legit think it'd have to be Waluigi or no one. It greatly depends on when FP2 was picked. Waluigi could get a Bonus DLC treatment like Piranha Plant though after seeing the fan outcry of the injustice after he was shown as an Assist Trophy.

I still have doubts on Cacomallow but hopefully we find out within the next mii costume wave.

100% depends on if there not being any plans was NDA-speak or actually them just admitting there really are no plans. It could go either way after we've already had at least one person lie in that manner due to NDA (Grant Kirkhope regarding Banjo-Kazooie).

By the by, have I reminded you guys that Cacomallow is real yet?

While I truly want to believe it's real (since it still hasn't been replicated yet), could you give some proof if you're gonna hard confirm like that?

Also at this point, every DLC reveal that isn't Geno, we just need to pray he doesn't get a Mii costume, because that's basically a hard deconfirmation. I'm also low-key worried his Mii costume from Smash 4 hasn't come back because they're giving it the Sans/Cuphead treatment where it's an actual costume and not just like a hat/cloak. That said, I truly do think he's gonna be in FP2 over being an upgraded costume though.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

LOL, I just realized this latest DLC is: "2 byleths 1 cuphead"

Why'd you have to say that.

LMAO. That's a way of the calling them, alright. As of a matter of fact, let me turn the music up for that reveal:

Spoiler: Music for "2 Byleths, One Cuphead"

Speaking, it's anyone expectant of Byleth being released tomorrow? As time goes by, Geno could happen sooner so there's that, right~?

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