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At least Takamaru and Mach Rider were from Nintendo, and had little reason to stop them from getting in a Smash game. Sakurai just had different reasons (compared to third and other first party characters) as to why he did not include them, like not being exposed to the west in Tamakaru's case, or being too much like Captain Falcon as the reason was back in Melee in Mach Rider's case (at least that is what I heard for Mach Rider, I could be wrong, but still, Mach Rider doesn't have any of the problems like third or first party characters not owned by Nintendo). That is quite different compared to what circumstances Geno is in.
 
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Also, why be concerned about people thinking Geno is 99% guaranteed? Let them think that. It's not going to affect your life in any way. It's not something to be concerned about.
Don't you understand the public service the detractors do though? They make this thread 100x worse as any time you think about being positive about Geno, you get immediately puy down by some dumb fan theory that has already been discussed to death here a million times. Seriously, this thread is barely even fun anymore because of this. I shouldn't have to walk on eggshells to support Geno in the Geno thread for God's sake. No one has "kept their expectations in check" because of these people and no one ever will. It just makes this thread feel like a headache more than anything else.
 

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Don't you understand the public service the detractors do though? They make this thread 100x worse as any time you think about being positive about Geno, you get immediately puy down by some dumb fan theory that has already been discussed to death here a million times. Seriously, this thread is barely even fun anymore because of this. I shouldn't have to walk on eggshells to support Geno in the Geno thread for God's sake. No one has "kept their expectations in check" because of these people and no one ever will. It just makes this thread feel like a headache more than anything else.
Heh heh! That doesn't scare me one bit. Granted, I'd pretty much like them gone rather than be here, but I can handle them, personally.
 

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Heh heh! That doesn't scare me one bit. Granted, I'd pretty much like them gone rather than be here, but I can handle them, personally
Trust me, this doesn't come from fear in any way shape or form. It's the fact that discussion is almost daily now bogged down by these people constantly derailing things and telling us how wrong we are. I'm frustrated and tired of it.
 

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First, until we know exactly what other Square Enix characters Sakurai likes, if any, until he says so himself, I doubt just saying a theory like that will help anything. Aside from Nier and Kingdom Hearts, but Neir is one Square Enix character, Kingdom Hearts is Disney. By the way, even is Sakurai is a fan of Kingdom Hearts, saying that and wanting them in Smash can still be two different things.

Also, "That doesn't make Geno more likely". Maybe if you were talking about someone else, like Lara Croft, this could better help what you are saying, But for reasons I stated, Sora isn't really a good character to compare Geno to. He's not impossible, but still not owned by Square Enix themselves, and I can bet 1000000 in cash that Disney would be harder to negotiate with than Microsoft and Square Enix combined, especially since Disney is not really a video game company.

Also, why be concerned about people thinking Geno is 99% guaranteed? Let them think that. It's not going to affect your life in any way. It's not something to be concerned about.
- My first point literally stands. Sakurai has no public list of "characters he wants in Smash", we can figure out 1 or 2 here and there; but there probably a dozen or so potential picks in Sakurai's mind at any single time. It's not a theory, it's a fact; unless you think that Fighter Pass 2 will literally be all characters Sakurai has publicly admitted to wanting before.

- The reason why people think Sora is even a rival to Geno is because chances are he'll end up coming with some Square-Enix costumes, considering how closely Square and KH are linked.

- I think convincing yourself that ___ is 99% playable, really hinders the state of speculation. Suddenly all your theories/ideas now have to revolve around __ being playable. Not to mention how toxic any Smash fanbase gets when you think a big character isn't happening. You can literally see it happen in this thread, when people went against Fatman's theory of KH not being linked to Nintendo enough to get in, and hence Geno is more likely. Obviously there were two sides to whole argument, but pointing out the flaws in Fatman's argument somehow meant that you weren't supporting Geno and weren't wanted here. It's really spoiled if you think defending another character that "competes" with Geno suddenly means that you're somehow against Geno.

Obviously optimism is nice, but you should still try to be a bit pessimistic/realistic when trying to discuss a specific character's chances. If you have to make leaps in logic in order to make your character appear super likely, then you shouldn't convince others about it. Keep it to yourself in that case.
 

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Indeed.

Sakurai can change his mind, guys.
And your evidence that he did for this is...? Oh right, there isn't any! It's just necessary that we constantly get shut down with "well maybe"s because you need to show just how unlikely Geno is for us. Thank you for changing my mind. I've now decided that Geno's bad and will never happen. Are you happy now?
 

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What are the odds of him changing his likes and dislikes, though, like a character such as Geno? That could be harder than changing other functions of a mindset. Like they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
True, but there are other factors to consider besides his personal stance on the character. Maybe he couldn't figure out a proper moveset for Geno that would do the character justice and offer a unique experience in the roster, or maybe Square wasn't willing to play ball by allowing Sakurai the rights to use their character.

I'm not saying that Sakurai did decide on scrapping his plans for Geno completely, mind you, but just remember that he's definitely able to change his views on the matter if it doesn't fit his current vision for the game's future.

And your evidence that he did for this is...? Oh right, there isn't any! It's just necessary that we constantly get shut down with "well maybe"s because you need to show just how unlikely Geno is for us. Thank you for changing my mind. I've now decided that Geno's bad and will never happen. Are you happy now?
I never said that Geno wouldn't happen or that you guys are wasting time by supporting him, especially since he's a character that I would very much like to see join the roster.
 
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- My first point literally stands. Sakurai has no public list of "characters he wants in Smash", we can figure out 1 or 2 here and there; but there probably a dozen or so potential picks in Sakurai's mind at any single time. It's not a theory, it's a fact; unless you think that Fighter Pass 2 will literally be all characters Sakurai has publicly admitted to wanting before.

- The reason why people think Sora is even a rival to Geno is because chances are he'll end up coming with some Square-Enix costumes, considering how closely Square and KH are linked.

- I think convincing yourself that ___ is 99% playable, really hinders the state of speculation. Suddenly all your theories/ideas now have to revolve around __ being playable. Not to mention how toxic any Smash fanbase gets when you think a big character isn't happening. You can literally see it happen in this thread, when people went against Fatman's theory of KH not being linked to Nintendo enough to get in, and hence Geno is more likely. Obviously there were two sides to whole argument, but pointing out the flaws in Fatman's argument somehow meant that you weren't supporting Geno and weren't wanted here. It's really spoiled if you think defending another character that "competes" with Geno suddenly means that you're somehow against Geno.

Obviously optimism is nice, but you should still try to be a bit pessimistic/realistic when trying to discuss a specific character's chances. If you have to make leaps in logic in order to make your character appear super likely, then you shouldn't convince others about it. Keep it to yourself in that case.
Thing is, about your first point, you don't know if he'll choose one of those other characters over Geno, or even if he will include them at all. I am sure Sakurai likes Geno a lot still, and while he may have competitors, I don't think his liking Geno is changing anytime soon. I say you are guessing more than spitting out facts there. Just because there are, doesn't mean they will, if you know what I mean. How can you think he'll choose another character from Square Enix over Geno when you don't even know the man that much. That is just jumping to conclusions there.

As for Sora becoming a costume, I don't think those chances are likely, mind you, for reasons already stated by myself.

Even if there was something bad about being THAT optimistic, you can't change people's minds, not that easily. In fact, doing so often creates needless arguments, like how your pointing out how you think being 99% sure a character like Geno is in is a bad thing will only cause more trouble. In fact, I say you and some others don't seem to know what you are doing by doing that and, in the case of others, not you, bashing and picking on Geno fans when their stance is not even going to change. Whether it is bashing or pointing out something optimism based, that will likely not help, and in fact make things worse. That is why we should stop this, especially if you don't want the thread locked and want to keep talking Geno. You can't control or change others to your liking, so it is best to stop now.

Trust me, this doesn't come from fear in any way shape or form. It's the fact that discussion is almost daily now bogged down by these people constantly derailing things and telling us how wrong we are. I'm frustrated and tired of it.
I understand what you mean. I do wish the detractors would leave us alone. Do they have anything better to do, anyway, other than waste time arguing with those wanting a character from a video game?
 

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True, but there are other factors to consider besides his personal stance on the character. Maybe he couldn't figure out a proper moveset for Geno that would do the character justice and offer a unique experience in the roster,
For God's sake, the man literally said in an interview Geno was perfect for Smash, he literally made Wii Fit Trainer a character, Geno would not be a challenge and you know it.

or maybe Square wasn't willing to play ball by allowing Sakurai the rights to use their character.
They literally gave him the rights to a Mii Costume and a spirit. If Square was so against including Geno in Smash, then I'd assume they wouldn't give him either of those, but I guess it's different because some reason that someone will surely decide to make up.

I'm not saying that Sakurai did decide on scrapping his plans for Geno completely, mind you, but just remember that he's definitely able to change his views on the matter if it doesn't fit his current vision for the game's future.
Then what's the point of even bringing it up? It's just pointless concern trolling then if it's just some random possibility you decided to introduce into a thread you're not even active in.
 

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True, but there are other factors to consider besides his personal stance on the character. Maybe he couldn't figure out a proper moveset for Geno that would do the character justice and offer a unique experience in the roster, or maybe Square wasn't willing to play ball by allowing Sakurai the rights to use their character.

I'm not saying that Sakurai did decide on scrapping his plans for Geno completely, mind you, but just remember that he's definitely able to change his views on the matter if it doesn't fit his current vision for the game's future.
Well, that doesn't change the fact that Sakurai has not said anything among those lines, or even said anything that hinted at that. How can this guess of yours become fact if you don't even know for sure what happened? Plus, ever heard of not giving up on something or someone? Even with those possibilities you stated, if Sakurai did not get a character like Geno in one game, he could try again next game, or as the current game's DLC. Plus, we all know Sakurai likes certain characters more than others. Who is to say he could give up on the characters he liked so easily as opposed to the characters he is not into, the latter of whom Sakurai would probably not come back to?
 
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Don't you understand the public service the detractors do though? They make this thread 100x worse as any time you think about being positive about Geno, you get immediately puy down by some dumb fan theory that has already been discussed to death here a million times. Seriously, this thread is barely even fun anymore because of this. I shouldn't have to walk on eggshells to support Geno in the Geno thread for God's sake. No one has "kept their expectations in check" because of these people and no one ever will. It just makes this thread feel like a headache more than anything else.
I’m sorry that people share opposing viewpoints every once in awhile on this thread.

Also, you continue to claim “FAN THEORY!!!!” for Spirits, but you are all 0-5 so far. (0-6 if you count Piranha Plant)
 

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Minecraft is the best selling game of all time and Nintendo and Microsoft chose Banjo over Steve.
I think this is a great point to make. Just goes to show how useless it is to even disagree with others opinions/arguments as to why character “x” is in.

Banjo may have been picked because Steve just didn’t work as a playable character. Maybe the demand wasn’t there, who knows. Steve was also one of those characters who didn’t appear on polls until leakers brought h

Whose to even say that he was picked over Banjo, We got 6 more characters coming, and I find it hard to believe smash will have no Minecraft content.

There are so many factors that go into picking out these characters, I wouldn’t think too hard into it.

But personally I believe if Geno gets in, its strictly cuz of fan service. And sometimes that’s enough.
 

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I think this is a great point to make. Just goes to show how useless it is to even disagree with others opinions/arguments as to why character “x” is in.

Banjo may have been picked because Steve just didn’t work as a playable character. Maybe the demand wasn’t there, who knows. Steve was also one of those characters who didn’t appear on polls until leakers brought h

Whose to even say that he was picked over Banjo, We got 6 more characters coming, and I find it hard to believe smash will have no Minecraft content.

There are so many factors that go into picking out these characters, I wouldn’t think too hard into it.

But personally I believe if Geno gets in, its strictly cuz of fan service. And sometimes that’s enough.
You think? Not trying to argue or disagree, I am doing the opposite, actually. Just wanted to extend: If it weren't for fan service, K. Rool or Ridley, among others would not get into a Smash Bros. game. Even if Geno does get in purely of fan service, I reckon the happiness of the fans is "all the pay Sakurai would ever need".
 

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Thing is, about your first point, you don't know if he'll choose one of those other characters over Geno, or even if he will include them at all. I am sure Sakurai likes Geno a lot still, and while he may have competitors, I don't think his liking Geno is changing anytime soon. I say you are guessing more than spitting out facts there. Just because there are, doesn't mean they will, if you know what I mean. How can you think he'll choose another character from Square Enix over Geno when you don't even know the man that much. That is just jumping to conclusions there.

As for Sora becoming a costume, I don't think those chances are likely, mind you, for reasons already stated by myself.

Even if there was something bad about being THAT optimistic, you can't change people's minds, not that easily. In fact, doing so often creates needless arguments, like how your pointing out how you think being 99% sure a character like Geno is in is a bad thing will only cause more trouble. In fact, I say you and some others don't seem to know what you are doing by doing that and, in the case of others, not you, bashing and picking on Geno fans when their stance is not even going to change. Whether it is bashing or pointing out something optimism based, that will likely not help, and in fact make things worse. That is why we should stop this, especially if you don't want the thread locked and want to keep talking Geno. You can't control or change others to your liking, so it is best to stop now.



I understand what you mean. I do wish the detractors would leave us alone. Do they have anything better to do, anyway, other than waste time arguing with those wanting a character from a video game?
- Again, how do you know he'll choose Geno over any other Square Enix character? Saying that he probably likes multiple Square Enix characters a lot, is less of a jump then saying "Sakurai said he likes Geno, therefore he doesn't like/want any other Square Enix character other then Geno". It's also pretty true because as I mentioned before, I don't think Sakurai had every stated he wanted DQ in Smash until after DQ got confirmed.

-There is literally a 0% chance that Sora gets in as a costume. He's either a full blown character or not getting in at all. However, there is a decent enough chance that if Sora gets in, the Geno costume will return with him. That's why many people here don't want Sora, at least not until after Geno is confirmed playable.

-I'm not stating that I can change peoples minds. But I am going to criticize peoples ideas, especially if they contain huge leaps of logic. If you think Geno's likely, more power to you; I'm not arguing with you. But if you think "Geno's pretty much guaranteed, and here's a theory with huge gaps and holes to confirm him"; then obviously I'm going to say that theory is pretty much useless, and "Geno isn't anywhere as likely as you make him sound.". If I get criticized for that, I don't care.
 

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Friendly reminder that he also wanted Takamaru and Mach Rider playable as well.
Two dead franchises with one being a Japanese exclusive until 2014. Sakurai also publicly explained why both weren't added and why both likely weren't coming anytime soon. With Mach Rider they couldn't figure out how to implement the bike and with Takamaru it was a region locked game with no future and little demand for one. Meanwhile, Geno was given high praise, had his popularity noted, and how things simply didn't work out rather than super serious complications.
 

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- Again, how do you know he'll choose Geno over any other Square Enix character? Saying that he probably likes multiple Square Enix characters a lot, is less of a jump then saying "Sakurai said he likes Geno, therefore he doesn't like/want any other Square Enix character other then Geno". It's also pretty true because as I mentioned before, I don't think Sakurai had every stated he wanted DQ in Smash until after DQ got confirmed.

-There is literally a 0% chance that Sora gets in as a costume. He's either a full blown character or not getting in at all. However, there is a decent enough chance that if Sora gets in, the Geno costume will return with him. That's why many people here don't want Sora, at least not until after Geno is confirmed playable.

-I'm not stating that I can change peoples minds. But I am going to criticize peoples ideas, especially if they contain huge leaps of logic. If you think Geno's likely, more power to you; I'm not arguing with you. But if you think "Geno's pretty much guaranteed, and here's a theory with huge gaps and holes to confirm him"; then obviously I'm going to say that theory is pretty much useless, and "Geno isn't anywhere as likely as you make him sound.". If I get criticized for that, I don't care.
First, I did not say I knew, and you most likely don't. While neither of us are in the know, we still shouldn't make assumptions yet. That goes for your second point, too. Sakurai has not even said much on his stance on other Square Enix characters (Except Neir, maybe?) or if he actually wants them in Smash, both which are two different things, I must say again.

Also, even criticizing is not a good idea, and will lead to needless arguments. It's their problem, not yours. How many times do I have to say that changing a person's mind, or even reasoning with them will not do much, if anything? This is just a video game that we are talking about, after all. Some things are better off not to be criticized. How hard is that to understand?
 

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This post was warned for flaming/harassment. Please dont respond to inappropriate behavior with likewise inappropriate behavior.
I’m sorry that people share opposing viewpoints every once in awhile on this thread.

Also, you continue to claim “FAN THEORY!!!!” for Spirits, but you are all 0-5 so far. (0-6 if you count Piranha Plant)
It's not opposing viewpoints, it's just being an ass and a concern troll now. You constantly bring up debunked **** and then just make everyone go in circles trying to stop this thread from just peacefully discussing a character and his chances. And it's not "every once in a while" that's a complete lie and you should know it better than anyone else here. The first thing you did after getting unbanned was come back here and start ****ting on Geno in his own dedicated thread because you don't have the sensibility to recognize that you're not exactly wanted here (or maybe you do and you're just a troll, I don't really know and I really don't care).
And no, no one here thinks it's a rule that a spirit has to get upgraded but you're the one with the rule that they won't. Not to mention literally all the DLC that's out right now was decided before the game was even finished. Yeah, it's gotten pretty obvious the more we've figured out that no spirited characters would be in the fighter pass. Almost everyone agreed on that by September, but it's convenient for you to ignore.
 

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Two dead franchises with one being a Japanese exclusive until 2014. Sakurai also publicly explained why both weren't added and why both likely weren't coming anytime soon. With Mach Rider they couldn't figure out how to implement the bike and with Takamaru it was a region locked game with no future and little demand for one. Meanwhile, Geno was given high praise, had his popularity noted, and how things simply didn't work out rather than super serious complications.
Its not just that. Ironically enough, if we look at it historically, Sakurai wanting a character in is actually a death knell rather than hope.

Characters that he has stated to want, but haven’t been made playable yet.

Mach Rider
Geno
Takamaru
Ayumi Tachibana
Rex

Characters that Sakurai has openly rejected but got in later.

Villager
Miis
Ridley
Chrom
Pac Man

You see what I mean?
 

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I personally don't see Sora as likely, but in the context of the "Sora vs Geno" argument, I feel like the "history with Nintendo" aspect of the argument doesn't really hold up. Sora has been the main character of 2 previous Nintendo exclusives, which is more than can be said about Geno. I think if the barrier wasn't so much higher for Sora (Disney owned which is directly referenced in his weapon), Nintendo very well may have gone with him, especially since Sakurai and Nomura are good friends. Minor platform availability is irrelevant as Joker and Cloud have already proven, which doesn't even apply to Sora in the same way since Chain of Memories and Dream Drop Distance are technically big deals in the nonsensical context of Kingdom Hearts.
 
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It's not opposing viewpoints, it's just being an ass and a concern troll now. You constantly bring up debunked **** and then just make everyone go in circles trying to stop this thread from just peacefully discussing a character and his chances. And it's not "every once in a while" that's a complete lie and you should know it better than anyone else here. The first thing you did after getting unbanned was come back here and start ****ting on Geno in his own dedicated thread because you don't have the sensibility to recognize that you're not exactly wanted here (or maybe you do and you're just a troll, I don't really know and I really don't care).
And no, no one here thinks it's a rule that a spirit has to get upgraded but you're the one with the rule that they won't. Not to mention literally all the DLC that's out right now was decided before the game was even finished. Yeah, it's gotten pretty obvious the more we've figured out that no spirited characters would be in the fighter pass. Almost everyone agreed on that by September, but it's convenient for you to ignore.
Saying something that you don’t want to hear =/= trolling.

And citation is needed on what I did after getting unbanned. Because I’m pretty sure that isn’t the first thing that came to mind, rofl.

You should also cite on why my arguments have been “debunked” so to speak. Because a majority of rebuttals I have seen are “WELL SAKURAI COULD!!!!!” and “FAN RULE FAN RULE FAN RULE!!!!” (Unless you are talking about something else)
 
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First, I did not say I knew, and you most likely don't. While neither of us are in the know, we still shouldn't make assumptions yet. That goes for your second point, too. Sakurai has not even said much on his stance on other Square Enix characters (Except Neir, maybe?) or if he actually wants them in Smash, both which are two different things, I must say again.

Also, even criticizing is not a good idea, and will lead to needless arguments. It's their problem, not yours. How many times do I have to say that changing a person's mind, or even reasoning with them will not do much, if anything? This is just a video game that we are talking about, after all. Some things are better off not to be criticized. How hard is that to understand?
Sakurai stated he likes KH and Nier; but hasn't stated whether he wants either of them in Smash.

And yeah, I'll probably stop criticizing people here even if their theories are straight up bad. I'll probably stop using this thread.. It's pretty clear that this thread only wants to here positive things about Geno's chances, even if some things may end up being lies/unrealistic. To be frank I'm starting to dislike the thread, and in turn Geno as a character; so it's probably better to leave now before things actually become really toxic.

I hope Geno gets in, for the threads sake. I hope y'all have a good day; if you need me, I'll be in the Newcomer speculation thread.
 

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Seems like i came in a heated time. I did have question for Fatmanonice Fatmanonice

Doomguy seemed to be dead from that interview, which puts Cacomallow in danger of being fake. Whatever happened with Dragonborn though? I know you had Speculation for him and I Don't know if that was only for FP#5 or in general. If Dragonborn was still in discussion, or if there at least discussion of Bethasda content coming in form of Mii that still puts Cacomallow in purgatory instead of just fake

also anything with sega?
 

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Seems like i came in a heated time. I did have question for Fatmanonice Fatmanonice

Doomguy seemed to be dead from that interview, which puts Cacomallow in danger of being fake. Whatever happened with Dragonborn though? I know you had Speculation for him and I Don't know if that was only for FP#5 or in general. If Dragonborn was still in discussion, or if there at least discussion of Bethasda content coming in form of Mii that still puts Cacomallow in purgatory instead of just fake

also anything with sega?
This sort of thing (asking Fatman about updates on the latest leaks, rumours, speculation, or what have you) seems better suited to a profile post or a private message rather than the Geno thread.
 
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Characters that he has stated to want, but haven’t been made playable yet.

Mach Rider
Geno
Takamaru
Ayumi Tachibana
Rex
Sakurai literally gave his reasoning for all these characters not being included and none of them have anything to do with Geno (unless you somehow consider 1996 to be too soon to Ultimate's release and that honestly wouldn't shock me if you did). But what does that matter, nothing I say will convince you Geno is any more likely than you already do, you'll just be back later to start **** again.
Villager
Miis
There is no way in hell Nintendo wouldn't have let Sakurai get away without including these characters. Recognizable and from an unrepresented series/concept owned by Nintendo? Yeah, it was never not gonna happen.
Ridley literally got in on fan demand alone, remind you of someone else? But, again, I'm sure it's different because reasons.
Sakurai didn't explicitly not want/have problems implementing Chrom, he felt FE Awakening was better represented by its protagonist and an easy clone of Marth. He then literally included Chrom in the next game because of fan demand (prior to Corrin at least)
Again, he didn't explicitly not want Pac Man, he just couldn't figure out a way to do a moveset in his classic shape so he just decided to meet fan demand and include an icon by gasp including Pac Man the way he's been predominantly portrayed for the best few decades.

Saying something that you don’t want to hear =/= trolling.
It becomes trolling when you come in here every day and just try to start ****. That's literally all you do here. You have nothing constructive to say, I've tried being polite to your ilk and honestly it's ****ing exhausting and just not worth the effort anymore. Not to mention, the thread managed to be rather civil discussing things even with detractors until someone came back and decided they need to stoke the fires for their own amusement.
And citation is needed on what I did after getting unbanned. Because I’m pretty sure that isn’t the first thing that came to mind, rofl.
Bruh, at best, it was a few days, and now you're here every day despite you not liking Geno or thinking he's likely. That's so peculiar that you're sticking around the Geno thread so much despite seemingly having nothing positive to say about him.
You should also cite on why my arguments have been “debunked” so to speak. Because a majority of rebuttals I have seen are “WELL SAKURAI COULD!!!!!” and “FAN RULE FAN RULE FAN RULE!!!!” (Unless you are talking about something else)
Because you treat everything as an absolute and a certainty (ie a rule) that certain things are deconfirmed and that's why Geno (the character whose thread you constantly post this in) is never coming. People here are confident in Geno, but few think he's an absolute lock. I mean, you literally bet your account on a spirit not being upgraded for DLC. Yet these rules are unproven and don't even have past precedent on their side (Mewtwo and Lucas being upgraded as a prime example).
 

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This is just one of the things that's absolutely exhausting about this thread. Yes, we can absolutely take it face value that Doom Guy probably isn't coming because of what his creators have said but when the brand manager for Kingdom Hearts says there's no plans for Sora in Smash and Disney says Nintendo has to approach them about it, let's just ignore that. No Kingdom Hearts ports? Let's ignore that too. Sakurai never really talking about the topic of Kingdom Hearts in Smash? Throw it on the pile. Square Enix regularly making public excuses for not bringing Kingdom Hearts games to Nintendo platforms in over the course of a decade despite constant and loud fan demand? Let's just add that to the ignore list too. Don't even get me started on the 2B stuff because that's honestly about 100 times more insufferable.

On the topic of ignoring things, let's just ignore anything positive on the side of Geno. Ignore the fan demand. Ignore the longevity. Ignore Sakurai's own words. Ignore three rereleases of SMRPG in 12 years. Ignore the Mii costume. Ignore that it's now missing despite obvious efforts to bring back the third party Smash 4 costumes. Ignore the stark reality that in 2020 we're still seriously talking about a one off Super Nintendo character to begin with. Ignore the only goal post left is "no promotions" and it will literally take a single one to obliterate this. Once you've done all this, just quietly accept that you're all plebs and the next Square Enix character is clearly going to be Brave Fencer Musashi. Geno fans BTFO today, tomorrow, and forever.
 

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This sort of thing (asking Fatman about updates on the latest leaks, rumours, speculation, or what have you) seems better suited to a profile post or a private message rather than the Geno thread.
Ahh Okay, I asked on here cause Cacomallow has geno involved by connection and Fatman did mention Dragonborn. ever since Byleth's reveal he just kinda faded, so I'm wondering if he was killed by the inside or something. thanks though
 

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Friendly reminder that every time someone tries to argue that there are set-in-stone rules for who can get in Smash, they're almost always completely obliterated at one point or another. Back before Brawl was revealed everybody knew that third party characters couldn't get in Smash, then Snake got in. Back before the first DLC for Smash 4 was revealed everybody knew that Trophies disconfirmed characters, then Mewtwo was revealed to be coming back. Before November 12th 2015 everybody knew that characters had to have their main games on a Nintendo console in order to make it in, then Cloud was revealed. Before November 1st 2018 everybody knew that a generic enemy character couldn't get in as a fighter, then Piranha Plant was revealed. And now everybody knows that Spirits disconfirm characters.

Imagine what you'll know tomorrow...
 

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*Notices Venus is watching*

Well it has been fun. Hopefully this will not be a permanent lock. :4pacman:

EDIT: In all seriousness it is pretty tiring seeing the same old cycle take its course. I feel good about Geno's chances. Of course this could change IF another Square character is shown before him.
 
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Ah yes, Ayumi Tachibana, the absolute juggernaut of Smash speculation. A Japanese exclusive who has virtually no demand and last major appearance was in 1997. Her and Geno are literally the same... How the hell are we actually having these arguments?
 

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Ah yes, Ayumi Tachibana, the absolute juggernaut of Smash speculation. A Japanese exclusive who has virtually no demand and last major appearance was in 1997. Her and Geno are literally the same... How the hell are we actually having these arguments?
Hey man, at least it's a step up from "Geno costume didn't come with Hero because Geno's from Square and Hero's from Enix."
 

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This is just one of the things that's absolutely exhausting about this thread. Yes, we can absolutely take it face value that Doom Guy probably isn't coming because of what his creators have said but when the brand manager for Kingdom Hearts says there's no plans for Sora in Smash and Disney says Nintendo has to approach them about it, let's just ignore that. No Kingdom Hearts ports? Let's ignore that too. Sakurai never really talking about the topic of Kingdom Hearts in Smash? Throw it on the pile. Square Enix regularly making public excuses for not bringing Kingdom Hearts games to Nintendo platforms in over the course of a decade despite constant and loud fan demand? Let's just add that to the ignore list too. Don't even get me started on the 2B stuff because that's honestly about 100 times more insufferable.

On the topic of ignoring things, let's just ignore anything positive on the side of Geno. Ignore the fan demand. Ignore the longevity. Ignore Sakurai's own words. Ignore three rereleases of SMRPG in 12 years. Ignore the Mii costume. Ignore that it's now missing despite obvious efforts to bring back the third party Smash 4 costumes. Ignore the stark reality that in 2020 we're still seriously talking about a one off Super Nintendo character to begin with. Ignore the only goal post left is "no promotions" and it will literally take a single one to obliterate this. Once you've done all this, just quietly accept that you're all plebs and the next Square Enix character is clearly going to be Brave Fencer Musashi. Geno fans BTFO today, tomorrow, and forever.
>The brand manager comment happened before Season 2 was decided. Try again
>I already debunked the idea of “MUST HAVE PORTS!!!” but you completely ignored it.
>If I am not mistaken, a rep over at Disney said that they would be fine with Sora in Smash, but you somehow twist this as a negative for Sora?
>Just because she is competition for your most wanted, doesn’t mean that you suddenly throw 2Bs chances into a garbage can entirely. And if you are going to use Sakurais word as evidence for Geno, just know that he thinks of Nier Automata as a masterpiece.

https://www.sourcegaming.info/2017/03/15/thinking-outside-the-box-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-526/

Also, I addresed many of the points you claim make Geno super likely, but you glanced over them entirely, lol.
 

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OK...let me try something crazy here.

For everyone who DOES NOT see Geno as a lock, please like this status.
 
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Oh boy! Yeah some thing's sadly never change.

Well hope everyone enjoys playing as Byleth tommorow regardless!
 

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With Mach Rider they couldn't figure out how to implement the bike
That was Excitebiker, not Mach Rider.

He never actually commented on why Mach Rider wasn't added. And unlike Excitebiker (who is just a dirtbike rider with no fighting ability), Mach Rider had the potential to get an on-foot moveset invented for them in a similar fashion to Captain Falcon.
 
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Oh dear, this is torture at this point. I’ve just been silently watching you guys in this thread trying to get all happy about Geno in Smash for awhile now. But this days worth of posts has just been painful. It’s just the same arguments posted over and over in a loop, and every time someone in this thread asks for it to stop it just goes on and on.

It’s one thing to try and correct someone over Sora and 2B’s chances and how you think they’re more likely than others think. It’s another thing to just keep going through the same points, for the same characters, without reaching a conclusion. At this point, the arguments are starting to make less and less sense. Maybe this should be talked out privately and not across pages of a thread putting it at risk of another ban. I don’t care who started it or what, it’s time for this to stop!
 

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I must say, you know you're doing a good job of antagonizing a thread when you're making the lurkers want to stop checking it.
 
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