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There's a lot of neat AT choices.
Geno also has the benefit of already being a spirit in his own universe possessing a action figure/puppet, so they have in-universe lore to justify it.
True, but I doubt they're going to have some meta reason. No reason to do that when it's as simple as "I want him playable, and Nintendo and SE said yes."
Practically speaking, I agree with you, but you gotta admit, it would be hype as all hell if Geno's reveal trailer played on the whole spirit-possession thing and showed him going back into the doll after all this time. Not only would that be glorious to watch all by itself, but it would be the most delicious slap to the face for all the "sPiRiTs DeCoNfiRm" detractors out there.
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said about Waluigi, particularly thinking of a moveset for him, let me remind you all...
Walugi does have stuff to work with, but really, it doesn't matter if his music/spirits match up with him either. They could just dump miscellaneous stuff with him. His stage could even be pokefloats, why not.
Well, that's not a meta reason to make him playable.
Mr. Game & Watch was based upon actual games to create his moves, so he had a lot to work with. The others are good examples, though. At the very least, he had stuff to draw from or excuses. Captain Falcon officially fought as a bounty hunter, and took action in a comic, giving some ideas. He's based upon Japanese Superheroes too, so that helped. Also, his animations might've partially came from the Dragon King the Fighting Game beta characters(since it used the same model).About what
Sakurai created movesets for Duck Hunt, Mr. Game and Watch, Fox (who spends most of his time in the Arwing in his games) and a freaking F-Zero racer named Captain Falcon. Sakurai can surely think of a moveset for Waluigi if he can think of movesets for those characters.
Maybe for Game and Watch, but before Smash Bros 64., we never saw Captain Falcon do the Falcon Kick, Falcon Boost, Falcon Dive and in Melee, the Raptor Boost. From what I remember, he only did the Falcon Punch later in the F-Zero anime. I could not realize that there may be a game where he did that, but for the other moves? Though he always was a bounty hunter, Sakurai effectively created all those moves for him before he could use them outside of Smash, if I am not mistaken.
Like I said, he's based upon Japanese Superheroes.
Who's to say he won't take liberties again? He can still come up for something for Waluigi. Plus, I can see Waluigi using a bunch of Mario Party and Mario Sports stuff. What's wrong with using that? I am sure Sakurai can take liberties for a character like Waluigi if he has to. He may have based some abilities for characters from past games, but he doesn't always have to, ya know. Plus, we still have characters like Duck Hunt, who uses attacks from games other than the one they appeared in. The same can be applicable for Waluigi if Sakurai wants to do that.
He still can, as he always does. But it's just not done as often as previous games. He doesn't have to because more data is available to work off of now. We might have more Marios(who is almost entirely from the games) and less Falcons.
Still, this is Sakurai we are talking about. Not only has he thought of movesets for the characters I mentioned, but he often changes his mind on things. He was opposed to Mii Fighter, Villager and Ridley (or had a hard time finding a way to make him playable) being playable before for reasons, but he changed his mind on them later, or found ways to make them work.
To be fair, I'd argue that we have more data with which to make a Waluigi moveset than we did a Piranha plant moveset, yet here we are. And ironically, the fire spit maneuver (and I mean actual fire ball spit, not that Back air excuse for a fire ball) isn't even really utilized with PP's moveset in the first place. That is, what little data we had for PP wasn't even used, so there's really no telling how Sakurai will go about making a fighter playable. Mind you, I'm not really an advocate for Waluigi, but my point is that Sakurai can make anything playable if he really wants to. The only question is whether he actually WANTS to.
PP had tons of moves from various actual Piranha Plants species. He took abilities from the actual RPG's too. In addition to that, very few moves didn't fit what it did, like the Up B, a spinning leaf move. It's a very faithful moveset that has barely any made-up abilities.
Those aren't exactly great examples, because it's not that simple. He wasn't really opposed to Miis, as he wasn't able to think of how to make them interesting as avatars. Villager was more "can't figure out a working moveset" too. Ridley was actually too big. He couldn't be proportioned right. They made an all new model to fix that.
Those weren't the only examples, just the ones I can think of from the top of my head. There is also that he did not want an Adventure mode in Smash 4 and the next game, well, we know what happened. It is not the examples themselves here that matter but what happens in them. Point is, he changed his mind on things, and he can do it with liberties if he wants. In fact, he can change his mind on anything. Nothing is really ever set in stone with Sakurai, and that includes taking liberties.
Nobody is underestimating Sakurai, honestly. It's a case of things not being all that simple either. It's just the comparison didn't work cause Waluigi definitely has less ability than PP, so is harder to make a unique moveset for. He totally can do it.
Harder, maybe, but I still think there are more Mario Party and Mario Sports based moves, and possibly more than that which can be used for Waluigi, you just have to look harder or think harder.
Yes the 2 Square ones and the Heihachi costume are indeed in a special position as they have been held back when they really had a reason to return, drawing parallels between Smash 4 with the 2 SE costumes releasing with the new SE character and the Heihachi costume joining the Virtua Fighter costumes along with the release of the new fighting game rep.
I mentioned it in the past but, I’ve always felt it’d be almost like a hybrid of ness and sonics as far as just the standard animation, basically where his arms are kinda at rest and maybe leisurely swaying side to side similar to ness, but occasionally he brings em up in a fist similar to sonic showing he’s focused on the fight.
IMO, I've looked at it this way; focus on what Waluigi could have for a unique moveset mechanic first. This is what creates a coherent moveset. If you can throw in stuff like a few sports moves, cool. But they don't make a coherent moveset.
I doubt she would be a mii costume, unfortunately her attire isn't that different from normal casual clothes. I just cant see her character translating well into a recognizable mii costume. If anything I feel like at that point she just wouldn't be included at all.
People always forget about Bubble Bobble when they discuss Smash, considering that they're owned by Square Enix. They also have a big legacy.
Geno merchandise like hats being more likely after his inclusion in Smash?
Oh, of course. Umm... I bet the Geno hat market will skyrocket after his reveal, surely. I may buy one, I may not.
I’d cop the hat to be honest, Geno’s hat is awesome
I'll clarify from the context here; for the record, I do think we swerved off topic too.
I'd have to agree. In terms of you and I, we were kinda getting out of hand there.
Definitely his Finger Gun stuff. If not all moves related to that.
Oh, definitely the special moves, of course! What would Geno's special moves be without them, anyway?
