Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Malo Mart]

Hey man, nice to see you!

Thanks!

 

[Vector Victor]

https://nintendosoup.com/smash-bros...ed-with-estimated-launch-date-of-february-29/

Full credit to Nintendosoup apparently the Eshop got updated and it's listing February 29th as the date for fighter #5.

Definetly seems like something is coming! Do think we'll get them before then though.

Typically, when an item is to be released but they only have tentative dates like a month or year, they automatically set it for the end.

 

[Franco Geno]

Thanks!

You're welcome!

 

[MisterMike]

Yeah, I'm seeing some people really believing this stuff,

And? So what if they are? That's their choice. People are allowed to believe in things you consider unlikely or hold beliefs that are counter to yours. There are people who believe that pineapple goes great on pizza, and even though they're wrong they're still allowed to believe that.

and with how frequently certain people are getting banned it seems like some people might need to lighten up on speculation.

The fact that you're making this statement means that you have no idea as to why those certain people got banned. The reason those certain people got banned was because they brought in off-topic drama into this thread and completely derailed any and all discourse. It wasn't because they were going too hardcore-parkour with their theories.

 

[cmbsfm]

So Banjo and Kazooie get in but the mii costumes are all from series that are not only not from the Banjo-Kazooie series, but also not a single Microsoft costume? That makes no sense since there's so much you can pull from Banjo-Kazooie and Microsoft for mii costumes.

Oh wait...

Not even the same thing dude.

Fatman’s prediction list stated another Bethesda Costume/Doom costumes. Like they’re gonna go to another Zenimax subsidiary (Id) just to negotiate for costumes instead of just sticking with Bethesda.

Doesn’t make sense to me when Joker, Hero, and Terry all got new Persona,DQ, and KoF costumes, but then there’s room for only ONE Skyrim costume on with that wave?

 

[Deleted member]

Typically, when an item is to be released but they only have tentative dates like a month or year, they automatically set it for the end.

Gotcha thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Ze Diglett]

hey guys what do you think of my geno cosplay

Wait, that's you and not a mannequin?
Really though, nice job on this. That wood texture is super convincing.

 

[MisterMike]

hey guys what do you think of my geno cosplay

I think it's...

 

[Axelocke]

Well, Google never lies. They're IN.

 

[ForsakenM]

Not even the same thing dude.

Fatman’s prediction list stated another Bethesda Costume/Doom costumes. Like they’re gonna go to another Zenimax subsidiary (Id) just to negotiate for costumes instead of just sticking with Bethesda.

Doesn’t make sense to me when Joker, Hero, and Terry all got new Persona,DQ, and KoF costumes, but then there’s room for only ONE Skyrim costume on with that wave?

It's completely the same thing.

You are acting as if a big third party game not getting costumes isn't likely to happen, yet we've already seen that happen as well as that third party company not get any Mii costumes at all.

However, I think the only DOOM costume we would get is Cacodemon. This would leave room for one-three other Bethesda Mii costumes.

 

[Shadow Star DX]

This. Supposedly DLC wasn't pitched to Sakurai and his team until around the time Smash Ultimate was publicly announced so around Spring 2018. That means that Purple Pie Man would have been decided to have been an assist trophy back in December 2015 two years prior.

Random thought, but this same logic could also be used against the "Spirits deconfirm Geno" arguement, couldn't it? I always felt like Geno being a spirit (And the possibility of the mii costume having been planned to return with Hero) was decided before Sakurai and his team were aware they could make more DLC after the Fighter's Pass. It seems like people don't take into consideration that Sakurai is human and has the ability to change his mind if circumstances change drastically enough. I'm 100% sure he doesn't make rules for himself where "If I make this character a spirit/costume/assist trophy, I can't make them a playable character if the opportunity arises". Not to mention this is the same guy who added characters he initially said he wouldn't (ie. Villager being out of place in a fighting game and Ridley too big). Sakurai is literally unpredictable. As far as I'm concerned, any spirits in the base game and assist trophies have a shot at being promoted to DLC. Geno, Isaac, Shantae and Waluigi, never lose hope!

 

[link2702]

So when is it likely for Nintendo to announce the direct?

If they’re doing maintenance on the 6th, if the direct is to same day...shouldn’t they announce it like...now?

 

[MisterMike]

So when is it likely for Nintendo to announce the direct?

If they’re doing maintenance on the 6th, if the direct is to same day...shouldn’t they announce it like...now?

If a Direct is happening this coming week, it'd be announced any time between tomorrow morning and wednesday morning. They usually give us a good day or two from when they announce a Direct and when it airs, and they either haven't or don't usually have Directs on weekends.

 

[Qeomash]

They will announce it a day in advance, so expect the announcement Monday through Wednesday.

Also, I've been thinking. I suspect they are going to reveal only #5 at this direct. However, they will also announce another Smash direct/presentation later in the month or in February for the launch of #5. We'll get the start of the second "pass" then with #6's announcement.

 

[Kremling Kommander]

So when is it likely for Nintendo to announce the direct?

If they’re doing maintenance on the 6th, if the direct is to same day...shouldn’t they announce it like...now?

Maintenance happening Monday doesn’t mean the Direct could be on the same day, just that they may be preparing in advance if #5 hypothetically comes out next week. Also, since Directs have usually been announced the day before in recent years, if there’s one next week, it would likely be announced on either Tuesday or Wednesday.

 

[EditorMax]

One brief word of caution to all-
If what Fatman is saying is true and Dovahkiin is indeed #5, that may be wonderful news for those supporting CacoMallow.

However, if he's also correct that our purple plumber is #6, be ready for the possibility that CacoMallow is real, but that the leaker simply didn't reveal the whole truth- that Mallow's Mii Costume comes alongside a Geno one, released with the Mario series DLC character.

Hold your expectations in check, and hype responsibly, because just as there is nothing more exciting than being pleasantly surprised at the last minute (a la E3 2019 with the last minute Banjo double-reveal), there's nothing worse than coming this close to greatness only to fall short.

Best of luck to everyone in the coming week

 

[Griselda]

To be honest, I don't really care how Geno comes to be in Smash at this point. Even if it was a case where Sakurai had absolutely no plans to put him in Ultimate, and then decided later that he might as well stick him in DLC, I'm okay with that.

 

[Deleted member]

I really hope it's not Waluigi. I hate the idea of him being selected as the one AT that gets an upgrade when there's so much better potential like Alucard, or Bomberman or fukken Isaac.

I mean, are our standards really that low?

 

[Deleted member]

Well, Google never lies. They're IN.
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Fake, Mii is not a Mario character.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, Google never lies. They're IN.
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Accidental double post

 

[link2702]

I really hope it's not Waluigi. I hate the idea of him being selected as the one AT that gets an upgrade when there's so much better potential like Alucard, or Bomberman or fukken Isaac.

I mean, are our standards really that low?

Hey now, waluigi has had a pretty sizable following just as long as geno. Before the term “meme” was even a thing, waluigi had a decent sized fanbase. I feel he’s earned his spot for smash.

Besides, why not have him and isaac? Both fanbases have waited long enough

 

[TooManyToastahs]

“Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users:1, Guests: 0)”
huh. i don’t think i’ve ever been here at a time where literally nobody was viewing this thread...
Anyways, I’m here to offer my two cents, since I don’t usually input that often.

The Controller's made a really great point about Bethesda and Id Software’s holding company Zenimax. Negotiating with Zenimax and Bethesda for Dragonborn is completly reasonable, however it doesn’t exactly support the recent Cacodemon Mii costume leak.

Why would you secure the rights to use DOOM content in Smash, only to have it relegated to a handful of Mii costumes? Why not just use other Bethesda properties as Mii costumes? It would remove the hassle of negotiating with an entirely different subsidiary of Zenimax.

Bear in mind people, this isn’t me trying to cripple Geno’s chances. No matter which outcome, he’s still probably gonna show up around the same time as the fifth fighter is revealed. Just trying to understand whether or not this would impact CacoMallow.

(EDIT: when i finished typing this more users joined. oops )

 

[HudU]

A lot of people on the previous pages have stated that Geno is probably a better choice for a bonus fighter, but if that were the case, how would the cacomallow leak make sense, along with the leaked banjo mii costumes/mallow and smithy (because Piranha plant didn't come with any mii costumes) and how would the music takedowns make sense?

Just something that bothers me. (So I think Geno isn't a bonus, but a full character with a stage and all!)

One brief word of caution to all-
If what Fatman is saying is true and Dovahkiin is indeed #5, that may be wonderful news for those supporting CacoMallow.

However, if he's also correct that our purple plumber is #6, be ready for the possibility that CacoMallow is real, but that the leaker simply didn't reveal the whole truth- that Mallow's Mii Costume comes alongside a Geno one, released with the Mario series DLC character.

Hold your expectations in check, and hype responsibly, because just as there is nothing more exciting than being pleasantly surprised at the last minute (a la E3 2019 with the last minute Banjo double-reveal), there's nothing worse than coming this close to greatness only to fall short.

Best of luck to everyone in the coming week

This terrifies me. But according to Fatman's theory, we would get Geno announced in the same direct, but that might not be the case. So right now, this is my biggest concern.

(edit) Also, I forgot to wish everyone a happy new year! Ive been keeping an eye on the thread, but haven't replied to many so far. Either way, though im late, happy new year Geno thread, and may this year, direct, or e3 be in our favor!

 

[T2by4]

One brief word of caution to all-
If what Fatman is saying is true and Dovahkiin is indeed #5, that may be wonderful news for those supporting CacoMallow.

However, if he's also correct that our purple plumber is #6, be ready for the possibility that CacoMallow is real, but that the leaker simply didn't reveal the whole truth- that Mallow's Mii Costume comes alongside a Geno one, released with the Mario series DLC character.

Hold your expectations in check, and hype responsibly, because just as there is nothing more exciting than being pleasantly surprised at the last minute (a la E3 2019 with the last minute Banjo double-reveal), there's nothing worse than coming this close to greatness only to fall short.

Best of luck to everyone in the coming week

I would hope sakurai knew of both their popularities and not do that to either of them, but we'll see. I seriously doubt 3 characters would be announced for one direct. That still seems a bit insane to me.

 

[MisterMike]

“Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users:1, Guests: 0)”
huh. i don’t think i’ve ever been here at a time where literally nobody was viewing this thread...

Actually, I'm almost always viewing this thread, I just have myself hidden at all times.

The Controller's made a really great point about Bethesda and Id Software’s holding company Zenimax. Negotiating with Zenimax and Bethesda for Dragonborn is completly reasonable, however it doesn’t exactly support the recent Cacodemon Mii costume leak.

Why would you secure the rights to use DOOM content in Smash, only to have it relegated to a handful of Mii costumes? Why not just use other Bethesda properties as Mii costumes? It would remove the hassle of negotiating with an entirely different subsidiary of Zenimax.

I don't think it would be too much of an issue really, given they're pretty much owned by the same company and all.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

Actually, I'm almost always viewing this thread, I just have myself hidden at all times.

I don't think it would be too much of an issue really, given they're pretty much owned by the same company and all.

Good point, I was mulling over it and I realized that if they were already negotiating with Zenimax, who owns Bethesda, it wouldn’t be too out of the question to just ask if they could use stuff from their other properties, i.e Id Software.

 

[Wazygoose]

If Waluigi and Geno get upgraded from an assist trophy and a spirit to playable characters, maybe they’ll take the final step—turning a costume into a playable character. I could see them doing a thing where all three get announced at once as a sort of, one character from each type leveled up. If a costume gets upgraded, it’ll absolutely be one from the base game and not one from paid DLC. Maybe there’s a really popular costume a ton of people would love to see upgraded... but who on earth could it be?

 

[ActualGarbage]

If Waluigi and Geno get upgraded from an assist trophy and a spirit to playable characters, maybe they’ll take the final step—turning a costume into a playable character. I could see them doing a thing where all three get announced at once as a sort of, one character from each type leveled up. If a costume gets upgraded, it’ll absolutely be one from the base game and not one from paid DLC. Maybe there’s a really popular costume a ton of people would love to see upgraded... but who on earth could it be?

Well I mean, if you want a costume upgrade then it's obviously gonna be Rex. He's the only base game costume character that people really want and he'd sell nice to boot.

 

[xpnc]

Well I mean, if you want a costume upgrade then it's obviously gonna be Rex. He's the only base game costume character that people really want and he'd sell nice to boot.

Gonna have to disagree with you here on behalf of the Isaac bros

Not that I think costumes are more of a death sentence than being an AT or a Spirit

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Well, my ban ended and I just wanted to check in again to let you all know that I'm not dead. Just two quick things:

1. The Geno Essay is almost done. 7 out of the 8 main sections are done along with the intro and conclusion. It's currently 10 pages and about 4,200 words. Probably about another page and it should be done.

2. Ran errands with my wife in St. Louis yesterday and had several more epiphanies during the two hour drives to and from. Basically I'm expanding my thoughts to predict characters 5-10, their announcements, their releases, and the general Mii costumes for 5-8. Of course, I'll be providing my full rationale for these thoughts too. Currently going back and forth between this and the Geno essay and should have both done by tomorrow night.

Welcome back Fatmanonice!

Edit: It was kind of rough, but it was my first meme photo I touched.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I'll be pissed if Dragonborn gets in over Doom Slayer and Geno is the only new gunner-type.

 

[volbound1700]

I am curious about the delay in announcing character 5. I am wondering if Nintendo had a non-popular Japanese character lined up and saw the backlash with Terry and decided to move another character up to be number 5.

 

[DanganZilla5]

I agree with some people here. I do have a strong feeling we will be hearing something about post-pass in the next direct, whether an announcement of character 6 or a Smash direct announcement for the same month or in February. I'm not sure if info about post-pass and character 6 is enough to warrant its own direct though, unless if that's also when they share the details about FP5 (moveset, stage, etc.).

Either way, anyway, they have to announce something soon to make that February deadline. Is Geno going to be fighter 6? Who is FP5? Arle? Phoenix Wright? Doom Slayer? Dovahkiin? We'll find out soon enough.

 

[YsDisciple]

5) Dragon Born/Dovakiin (Announced: Jan, Released: Jan, expected Mii costumes: Rathalos, Monster Hunter, Cacodemon, and probably another Bethesda Mii costume, possibly Doom Guy)

5) Dragon Born/Dovakiin. Why? Papagenos finally came out and said this name the other day. He’s heard the rumors and so have I. As I said the other day, my original hypothesis back in September was that 5 was going to be a fantasy swordsman from a “new” company that didn’t have a newcomer in Smash Ultimate it based on the “remaining” Smash 4 DLC Mii costumes. Dragonborn fits perfectly into this theory. The “remaining” Mii costumes are Gil, Lloyd, Monster Hunter, and Rathalos. All four are swordsmen from medieval open world RPGs and three have armor and helmets. This pattern seems intentional. Skyrim is definitely an open world medieval RPG. Despite my original thoughts being Namco (Lloyd or Nightmare), Bethesda fits this perfectly for a lot of reason. It’s a totally new company to Smash Ultimate, just like the other Fighter’s Pass characters (Atlus, Armor Project/Bird Studio, Microsoft/RARE, and SNK) for starters. Beyond that, Skyrim was one of the first third party games announced for Switch, has been released on virtually everything, one of the few Western games to ever get a perfect score in Famitsu, won game of the year in 2011 on multiple fronts including the VGAs, was one of the showcased games during the Switch’s public presentation in January 2017, etc. Lots of reasons to have it. Announcement: January. Why? Lots of signs that a Direct is coming soon so we'll just leave it at that. Release: January. Why? One of the most consistent patterns that we have is that characters are always announced during the same months as Amiibo waves. February last year brought playable Plant and the Amiibos K. Rool, Plant, and Ice Climbers. April last year brought playable Joker and the Amiibos Daisy, Young Link, and Ken. July brought playable Hero and the Amiibos Pichu, Isabelle, and Pokemon Trainer. September last year brought playable Banjo and the Amiibos Snake, Squirtle, and Ivysaur. November brought Terry and the Amiibos Inceniroar, Simon, and Chrom. January is going to bring Dark Samus and Richter. Mii costumes: Rathalos, Monster Hunter, Cacodemon, and probably another Bethesda character. Why? My prediction is that Gil and Lloyd are now gone and that Rathalos and Monster Hunter will be the Smash 4 third party character pairing.

I for one have been banking on Doom Slayer being #5, but last night I remembered something (very important). I recalled the early Nintendo Switch promotional trailers, and remembered that one of the games they showcased was none other than The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. The game also got exclusive DLC in the form of the Champion tunic from Breath of the Wild, along with the Master Sword, and Hylian Shield.

Spoiler: Early Switch Trailer

Fast Forward to The Game Awards 2019 (yes, I'm going there), despite not getting any reveal on the Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC, nearing the end of the awards, a trailer for The Elder Scrolls Online was revealed, announcing a global event upcoming in January 16, 2020 (I just realize that date now ). AND the end cutscene of said trailer shows none other than the Dovahkiin facing backwards towards the snowy mountain landscape.

Spoiler: Elder Scrolls Online TGA 2019 trailer

Now that I re-watched that trailer and realize the date of the Global Reveal Event for that upcoming game, and taking into account Fatman's thoughts on DLC #5, AND the fact that Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim was among the first titles in the Switch's library, I can see Dovahkiin actually being the one. It would materialize the buildup of the series throughout the Nintendo Switch's life cycle.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Hey now, waluigi has had a pretty sizable following just as long as geno.

Legitimate question: is this true?
Melee came out in 2001. SMRPG in 1996. And Waluigi's first appearance in 2000. So certainly Waluigi would have been on the minds of people who were vying for certain Marioverse characters to make it into Melee but I don't recall Waluigi fandom ever having much presence until later after more Marioverse characters made it in. The same is kinda true for Geno and while Geno did have presence in Melee "speculation" his fandom grew as the possible Marioverse candidates shrunk. This is hard to say because internet wasn't like it is now back in Melee days. Either way Waluigi fans have been around a long time too.

The following is opinion please don't get offended and feel free to offer your opinions that may counter my own. Personally, I would be furious if Waluigi made it in over Geno. Waluigi represents Mario spin offs (something Daisy already does honestly) and while I'm sure he'd be a super fun and quirky character and I would enjoy his goofy playstyle, I just can't personally want Waluigi playable more than Geno. I see more Smash potential in Geno and Geno does a better job representing an unrepresented area of the Marioverse in Smash to put it bluntly. That said, if we got both I would be super excited. Waluigi is a character that I want because I think Mario characters translate really well to Smash and his quirky personality would just make for a fun character. But in my experience I've seen Geno fans longer and frankly more serious about wanting their character in and I'd rather the Geno fans get their long standing request when Waluigi is still alive and well and could just as easily squeeze in the next Smash game with no issues. The stakes for Geno are just so much higher and while they both deserve a spot I can't help but want Geno way more than Waluigi especially after we already got a joke Mario character. I'm saying this as someone who loves the joke characters and had no problem with plant.

Now when it comes down to specifically assist upgrades again I have to go with Isaac over Waluigi. Golden Sun has very little representation in Smash and Mario has plenty. All of the characters I'm mentioning though have Smash potential, are characters I want in Smash, would be really fun in Smash, and have sizeable fanbases. I don't want to get into a fanbase measuring contest or who's the most deserving just to point out why I personally put more value in these 2 specific characters over Waluigi. It mainly comes down to Waluigi still being an active character so the stakes for him are just lower.

Also happy new year everyone. I've been popping in and out. Been busy with work and Pokemon Shield. Looking forward to speculating with you all this year.

 

[millsfan]

I really hope it's not Waluigi. I hate the idea of him being selected as the one AT that gets an upgrade when there's so much better potential like Alucard, or Bomberman or fukken Isaac.

I mean, are our standards really that low?

Waluigi could Segway us into an assist upgrade fighter pass... so I’d be happy to see any assist get upgraded (to show smash fans there is no assist rule). Shadow, Isaac, waluigi, and skull kid have fans who have been waiting very long.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I for one have been banking on Doom Slayer being #5, but last night I remembered something (very important). I recalled the early Nintendo Switch promotional trailers, and remembered that one of the games they showcased was none other than The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. The game also got exclusive DLC in the form of the Champion tunic from Breath of the Wild, along with the Master Sword, and Hylian Shield.

Spoiler: Early Switch Trailer

Fast Forward to The Game Awards 2019 (yes, I'm going there), despite not getting any reveal on the Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC, nearing the end of the awards, a trailer for The Elder Scrolls Online was revealed, announcing a global event upcoming in January 16, 2020 (I just realize that date now ). AND the end cutscene of said trailer shows none other than the Dovahkiin facing backwards towards the snowy mountain landscape.

Spoiler: Elder Scrolls Online TGA 2019 trailer

Now that I re-watched that trailer and realize the date of the Global Reveal Event for that upcoming game, and taking into account Fatman's thoughts on DLC #5, AND the fact that Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim was among the first titles in the Switch's library, I can see Dovahkiin actually being the one. It would materialize the buildup of the series throughout the Nintendo Switch's life cycle.

Like I've been saying, little dog whistles that add up. Also, I'll mention another since Papagenos came out with the name Dragonborn, during the VGAs (at least in North America) two Bethesda games were on sale on the Switch... Skyrim and DOOM.

Like I said as far back as November, there's been dog whistles for Purple Pie Man and Geno for awhile too but I'd be an asshole for pointing them all out. Also, like I've teased, even if we managed to get a triple Smash reveal... It still wouldn't be the biggest announcement of the hypothetical January Direct. For those curious, it may be worth reading some of my clues from the Nindies/VGAs but, if you figure it out, let's keep it a secret, shall we? It's definitely a big deal and the secret should be kept for the sake of the full emotional impact that it will more than likely have.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

6) Purple Pie Man (Announced: Jan, Released: Feb, expected Mii costumes: four first party Mii costumes and two indies with music. Stage is releated to the four MIi costumes)

Just a guess, but four unrelated first party Mii Costumes and a stage sounds to me like Fire Emblem: Three Houses content, it fits pretty well with Byleth, Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude, plus the fact that the game didn't have a Spirit Event around its release. Only thing that might be a bit odd here is that there isn't really a need for another Fire Emblem stage, but maybe that's just their way of doing the game justice in Smash without including a character. Would be a bit of a bummer as someone who wants Edelgard, but the only other logical choice I can see would be Astral Chain, although I'm not sure if it'd fit as well with the four Mii Costumes (genuinely don't know anything about the game), and I don't feel like its lack of Spirits is as glaring as in the case of Three Houses.

 

[link2702]

Legitimate question: is this true?
Melee came out in 2001. SMRPG in 1996. And Waluigi's first appearance in 2000. So certainly Waluigi would have been on the minds of people who were vying for certain Marioverse characters to make it into Melee but I don't recall Waluigi fandom ever having much presence until later after more Marioverse characters made it in. The same is kinda true for Geno and while Geno did have presence in Melee "speculation" his fandom grew as the possible Marioverse candidates shrunk. This is hard to say because internet wasn't like it is now back in Melee days. Either way Waluigi fans have been around a long time too.

The following is opinion please don't get offended and feel free to offer your opinions that may counter my own. Personally, I would be furious if Waluigi made it in over Geno. Waluigi represents Mario spin offs (something Daisy already does honestly) and while I'm sure he'd be a super fun and quirky character and I would enjoy his goofy playstyle, I just can't personally want Waluigi playable more than Geno. I see more Smash potential in Geno and Geno does a better job representing an unrepresented area of the Marioverse in Smash to put it bluntly. That said, if we got both I would be super excited. Waluigi is a character that I want because I think Mario characters translate really well to Smash and his quirky personality would just make for a fun character. But in my experience I've seen Geno fans longer and frankly more serious about wanting their character in and I'd rather the Geno fans get their long standing request when Waluigi is still alive and well and could just as easily squeeze in the next Smash game with no issues. The stakes for Geno are just so much higher and while they both deserve a spot I can't help but want Geno way more than Waluigi especially after we already got a joke Mario character. I'm saying this as someone who loves the joke characters and had no problem with plant.

Now when it comes down to specifically assist upgrades again I have to go with Isaac over Waluigi. Golden Sun has very little representation in Smash and Mario has plenty. All of the characters I'm mentioning though have Smash potential, are characters I want in Smash, would be really fun in Smash, and have sizeable fanbases. I don't want to get into a fanbase measuring contest or who's the most deserving just to point out why I personally put more value in these 2 specific characters over Waluigi. It mainly comes down to Waluigi still being an active character so the stakes for him are just lower.

Also happy new year everyone. I've been popping in and out. Been busy with work and Pokemon Shield. Looking forward to speculating with you all this year.

Short response to part of the post; I don’t want waluigi in OVER geno, geno is always gonna be the one at the top of my list, just saying that waluigi does kinda deserve a spot at this point. I don’t see why we can’t have both?

Also daisy does a pretty poor job at representing the mario spinoffs just because she’s an echo of peach (unless that’s supposed to be idea, her being a “spin off” of peach) really she was just put in to pad out the roster and easily give one fangroup a character they wanted without much work, just like dark samus. Her representation in smash doesn’t really accurately represent or pay homage to the mario spinoffs in general since she’s still basically peach, who’s moveset is more a homage to smb2/doki doki panic. Waluigi could change that, having moves inspired by his mario tennis origins, as well as stuff from mario party and mario kart.

As for Isaac, once again I don’t see why we can’t have both him and waluigi as AT upgrades? If a full second fp is in development, then surely it’d have more fan favorite picks in it? So give us all three, waluigi, geno and isaac.

I can’t speak during the melee speculation years since the net was a very different place and speculation like this just wasn’t too common. But i can say that during that era, when third parties weren’t a thing, and all characters who might have come from the same universe were almost entirely the “main” characters(such as mario, bowser, dk, yoshi, etc) of said universe, the idea that even wario would have made it was kinda low. Geno was so unlikely at that point that he was hardly on anyone’s radar because most knew even then that he Wasn’t technically owned by Nintendo.

I’m more talking about during the brawl era and onward, that is when snake opened the floodgates and pretty much made speculation for tons of characters that no one ever thought had a chance start happening.

It was during this time that waluigi (till he got deconfirmed) started to pick up steam as did geno.

Once again, for me geno is always gonna be the character i want in most, but after he gets in, I don’t see why other large fanbases who’ve stuck with their characters just as long can’t have a shot, that includes both waluigi and isaac.

 

[Ura]

Like I've been saying, little dog whistles that add up. Also, I'll mention another since Papagenos came out with the name Dragonborn, during the VGAs (at least in North America) two Bethesda games were on sale on the Switch... Skyrim and DOOM.

I just wanted to say that PG hasn't mentioned Dragonborn like, at all until his most recent video and that's only because of the rumors surrounding him beforehand. During the week of the VGA's, he was feeling confident in KOS-MOS and even then he said he had no idea who Fighter 5 was.