Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Fatmanonice]

Remixed for Smash? This track is super underrated in my opinion:

 

[DaxMasterix]

Is it a Pipe dream to have this specific track on my Wishlist for songs that'd come with Geno?
I don't care if it doesn't suit for a battle, This is the song I hear when I fight against a rage lucario

Edit: 'd you god damn fatman xD

 

[Deleted member]

One of my favorite tracks. It would be awesome if it got a faster, more country feel like Banjo’s remixes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2CowoQzGQk

 

[CannonStreak]

Oh come on, guys!

You all know you can't forget this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6gnUHCS1iQ

 

[EarlTamm]

I feel like this could make a good, simple remix.

Song link

Edit:
Turned the video into a link.

 

[Megadoomer]

Remember that including a lot of embedded videos slows the page down, so it might be best to put some of your wanted songs as links instead.

 

[Blankiturayman]

SMRPG has a lot of great tracks to choose from, one track I really hope they add is Seaside Town's after defeating Yaridovich. You likely barely hear it in game, but it's great. Other than that, I'm really hoping for Booster Tower (both parts, and if not, just the second), Nimbus Land, and Monstro Town. (Aside from the Battle themes and the Forest music, anyway).

Also, kind of a stretch, but I recall it being mentioned before, and I'd love if they somehow could get music from other Mario RPGs, such as Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi. I mean, Paper Mario 64 has nothing in the game (T_T), so it'd be a great opportunity.

 

[CannonStreak]

Remember that including a lot of embedded videos slows the page down, so it might be best to put some of your wanted songs as links instead.

Done on my end, so you know.

 

[AdamBel731]

I don't know when I'll play Super Mario RPG. I have a huge backlog, but I've mentioned more than a few times that I have a SNES Classic I can play it on.

Maybe if Geno gets announced as a playable character that'll be my push. I've listened to a few of the music tracks from the game and they sound nice! They seem to be ripe for a remastering and/or remixes though. My hope is that since Yoko isn't stingy AND that Super Mario RPG wouldn't (presumably) have rights hell like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest music, that we would get some good remixes.

That's really what I lean towards at least. I think if Geno gets in, the amount of music will show just how much Square is willing to give. Yes, as people now know, Square isn't as much of a stickler to work with as people first thought (reminder that Sakurai managed to get Square to break their rule regarding the Dragon Quest heroes). The reason why we, unfortunately, have small amounts of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest content is due to the complicated rights those series have. But Super Mario RPG... the rights to that go to Nintendo mostly, with the game's original characters going to Square.

As such, I really don't think there would be any foreseeable problem, right? I mean, I don't think Yoko owns the music even (because Nintendo doesn't have complicated licensing with their games *cough cough* Square Enix), so I don't see music being a problem. I doubt we would get a bunch of Spirits (because I don't think Geno will get a Spirit board), but if he comes with a stage, I really don't see why a good amount of music wouldn't come with it. Unless Square actually is somewhat of a stickler (but again... I think Nintendo may own the music anyway). If Geno doesn't come with a stage (which I sort of think will happen), I then see no reason why he wouldn't get one or two remixes with him based off of the logic I said before.

 

[CannonStreak]

Speaking of music for possible remixes, you all know we can't forget Nimbus Land here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LYwswH1bQA

 

[DaxMasterix]

SMRPG has a lot of great tracks to choose from, one track I really hope they add is Seaside Town's after defeating Yaridovich. You likely barely hear it in game, but it's great. Other than that, I'm really hoping for Booster Tower (both parts, and if not, just the second), Nimbus Land, and Monstro Town. (Aside from the Battle themes and the Forest music, anyway).

Also, kind of a stretch, but I recall it being mentioned before, and I'd love if they somehow could get music from other Mario RPGs, such as Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi. I mean, Paper Mario 64 has nothing in the game (T_T), so it'd be a great opportunity.

I remembered I made some Lyrics for that song, God, Shimomura-san I just love you.
So guys, have you ever heard these tracks? This guy just Reorchestrated the entire SMRPG OST!
Link

This particular video only have a few and some of them are repeated but, There's a link in the description if you want to check'em out!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I don't think Nintendo cares. These are the same guys that announced BotW2 and Banjo in the same presentation and, based on what I've heard, Smash might not even have the biggest announcements of the Direct. Remember my 7 Remaster/Remakes rumor? One of them is hardcore implied to be coming in the January Direct and it's the biggest deal of the 7. Like I said, it's going to be a hellavu day if these things turn out to be true.

I just hope one of them is Xenoblade Chronicles X Definitive Edition... could be just an initial announcement since Xenoblade 1 Definitive Edition has to be like 75% done at this point

also i want f-zero gx hd but hahahaha that ship sailed long ago...

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know when I'll play Super Mario RPG. I have a huge backlog, but I've mentioned more than a few times that I have a SNES Classic I can play it on.

Maybe if Geno gets announced as a playable character that'll be my push. I've listened to a few of the music tracks from the game and they sound nice! They seem to be ripe for a remastering and/or remixes though. My hope is that since Yoko isn't stingy AND that Super Mario RPG wouldn't (presumably) have rights hell like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest music, that we would get some good remixes.

That's really what I lean towards at least. I think if Geno gets in, the amount of music will show just how much Square is willing to give. Yes, as people now know, Square isn't as much of a stickler to work with as people first thought (reminder that Sakurai managed to get Square to break their rule regarding the Dragon Quest heroes). The reason why we, unfortunately, have small amounts of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest content is due to the complicated rights those series have. But Super Mario RPG... the rights to that go to Nintendo mostly, with the game's original characters going to Square.

As such, I really don't think there would be any foreseeable problem, right? I mean, I don't think Yoko owns the music even (because Nintendo doesn't have complicated licensing with their games *cough cough* Square Enix), so I don't see music being a problem. I doubt we would get a bunch of Spirits (because I don't think Geno will get a Spirit board), but if he comes with a stage, I really don't see why a good amount of music wouldn't come with it. Unless Square actually is somewhat of a stickler (but again... I think Nintendo may own the music anyway). If Geno doesn't come with a stage (which I sort of think will happen), I then see no reason why he wouldn't get one or two remixes with him based off of the logic I said before.

To be honest, I don’t think there would be any problem. Yoko certainly won’t have a problem with it since she’s already remixed and has her own compositions in Smash already, and seeing how Square Enix has treated the game in the past 20 years I don’t think they care that much since it’s not a property they own, only the characters and music. And who knows maybe Nintendo bought the rights to use stuff already.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm now done with two of the eight sections and it's already about 5 pages long... Help...

 

[Deleted member]

Basing off of Arlo’s predictions, I really think one of the remasters is Super Mario RPG. If Geno really is going to be in Smash, they are going to have to advertise the HECK out of him. Putting the original on SNES service would be realistic, but if they want to gain more profit, they could probably do a remaster with the Link’s Awakening graphics. This would be the best decision because A) it’s MARIO, of course people will buy it and B) remastering works, Link’s Awakening is already on the list of the Switch’s best selling games.

 

[DaxMasterix]

I'm now done with two of the eight sections and it's already about 5 pages long... Help...

*helps*
There you go lad

 

[Mega_Mario_Man]

Songs I'd want remixed for Geno's Smash debut?

-Booster Tower (I enjoy unfitting battle music)
-Fight Against An Armed Boss
-Fight Against Smithy (Phase One)
-Let's Do the Fooka Fooka (plz no attack moderinos)
-Rose Town
-Sunken Ship
-The Dungeon is Full of Monsters
-Welcome to Yo'ster Island
-Still the Road is Full of Dangers

Considering the Banjo-Kazooie theme and Beneath the Mask were remixed into good battle music, I believe that even if you dislike "unfitting" music, these tracks could be made into something good for fighting anyway

 

[Loog]

Spoiler

I don't think Nintendo cares. These are the same guys that announced BotW2 and Banjo in the same presentation and, based on what I've heard, Smash might not even have the biggest announcements of the Direct. Remember my 7 Remaster/Remakes rumor? One of them is hardcore implied to be coming in the January Direct and it's the biggest deal of the 7. Like I said, it's going to be a hellavu day if these things turn out to be true.

Is it possible any of the stuff you heard will end up at e3 as opposed to the direct?

 

[collater333]

What about the credits theme? I've always loved listening to it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv77KCj8tCU

 

[ForsakenM]

Oh come on, guys!

You all know you can't forget this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6gnUHCS1iQ

This one doesn't even need a remix, much like VS Mr. Patch.

We've done this a billion times so at this point my opinion is...

Just shove the whole damn soundtrack in there, Sakurai!

 

[DeputyDalmatian]

Fatmanonice maybe you could release each section once a day the first week of January, that way it’ll break it up for you and it’ll give us something to look forward to a la Smash Dojo days (just a thought totally respect if it doesn’t work)

@MisterMike just wanna throw it out there your long posts in support of Geno are always so nice to read; I love being a part of this thread just because it’s nice interacting with other people who find not just Geno, but SMRPG as endearing as I do. Thanks for all your contributions

 

[Fatmanonice]

Is it possible any of the stuff you heard will end up at e3 as opposed to the direct?

Of course. Having all the Nintendo rumors come true in one Direct would be insane but virtually impossible which is why, if certain rumors are true, I can see them being fulfilled between the January Direct and probably... well... ****... next fall. Some of the rumors seem like really obvious E3 announcements like, for example, the supposed 3D Mario so, no, I don't think the January Direct will have absolutely everything. At most I expect two of the remake/remasters announced with one (da big one) more likely then the other.

 

[RingJ5]

I don’t think the “Surprises for Nintendo fans” was for smash. I think it was just a tease for 1,2,3 and 64 going to the Switch. Although, I do disagree on the Doom content without a character. Being how big Doom really is as a franchise, I don’t think they would relegate it to a mii costume or something smaller. It really was revolutionary for the genre, even somewhat creating what the genre is today, and Doom (2017) really opened up a lot of eyes for third parties seeing how it was really successful and actually being possible on a portable system. However, I could be wrong seeing how Resident Evil got just spirits.

That’s the thing, though: They said that after the 1/2/3 thing. The big 64 reveal, while certainly being a game tied to Nintendo, was announced... for multiple platforms, not just Switch. Personally, I don’t count that as a big thing specifically for Nintendo fans.

And as for notability, well, look at Monster Hunter. One of the most massive games in Japan, appeared to be perfectly lined up for a character... didn’t get one, instead they got different kinds of representation. RE is another big example, as you said.

Character or not, I expect Doom to get some kind of representation by the end of next year, though.

 

[CannonStreak]

Wait, about Nintendo Directs, don't regular Directs that aren't specialized come a month after a month with an indie Direct? Just wondering, in case we are still talking about Directs here.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Wait, about Nintendo Directs, don't regular Directs that aren't specialized come a month after a month with an indie Direct? Just wondering, in case we are still talking about Directs here.

Nindies and Nintendo Directs are, on average, about three weeks apart so, all things considered, this is yet another factor that points at a Direct the first full week of January.

 

[CannonStreak]

Nindies and Nintendo Directs are, on average, about three weeks apart so, all things considered, this is yet another factor that points at a Direct the first full week of January.

Okay, just checking to make sure you had not missed that detail.

Say, everyone, about stages, how about as a fighting stage for Geno in Smash Bros. Ultimate, we get the overworld as a stage?

It would work like this. There is a platform the Smashers fight on, like in the Delfino Island stage in Smash. As the fighters fight, the world map is in the background. After some time, going clockwise around the map, the platform goes into and stops temporarily in one of seven locations: The Mushroom Kingdom, the Forest Maze, Booster's Tower, Star Hill, Monstro Town, Nimbus Land and then either Bowser's Keep or in the Weapons Factory. What do you all think of this idea?

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot, there may be obstacles and hazards like Bowyer, Valentina, Booster and his Snifts, Mack, Belome at Monstro town and maybe Smithy himself!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Nindies and Nintendo Directs are, on average, about three weeks apart so, all things considered, this is yet another factor that points at a Direct the first full week of January.

So, close to the Splatoon 2 update of January 6... hmm..

 

[Deleted member]

That’s the thing, though: They said that after the 1/2/3 thing. The big 64 reveal, while certainly being a game tied to Nintendo, was announced... for multiple platforms, not just Switch. Personally, I don’t count that as a big thing specifically for Nintendo fans.

And as for notability, well, look at Monster Hunter. One of the most massive games in Japan, appeared to be perfectly lined up for a character... didn’t get one, instead they got different kinds of representation. RE is another big example, as you said.

Character or not, I expect Doom to get some kind of representation by the end of next year, though.

I can agree with that. Funnily enough, Doom 64 was leaked for PS4 and PC before being announced for Switch. For Monster Hunter, it’s definitely weird. Monster Hunter did have representation back in Smash 4 with the mii costumes. For Doom, it’s from a genre that’s never been represented in Smash at all yet. You think they would save Doom for a brand new genre to be introduced since (almost) everyone in the Fighter’s Pass has been from different genres. And for the surprises for Nintendo fans, we don’t really know what they could mean. Again, this is just speculation and I could be completely wrong when 5 is announced.

 

[cmbsfm]

Here’s what I said in the Doom thread about the pattern of mii costumes in relation to Cacomallow

With the exception of Banjo, the new mii costumes we've gotten are somewhat directly related to the fighter they came with.

The new costumes that came with Joker are from Persona only. We didn't get any SMT costumes like Jack Frost when we easily could've.
The new costumes that came with Hero are strictly from Dragon Quest.
The new costumes that came with Terry are characters that appeared in KoF with him. Marco/Metal Slug characters were an obvious Mii Gunner outfit but didn't happen.

Skyrim has enough options itself to give us 10+ mii costumes. Plus we haven't had more than six costumes per wave so I find it hard to imagine that we use two for Doom (because if Doom gets mii costume'd then the Cacodemon would come with a Doom guy outfit obviously). Which leaves four spots for Skyrim and returning costumes.

I also think they would still need to consult with ID Software for the mii costumes too. Just another layer of work for two costumes.

But of course I could be wrong and this isn't really a pattern. I mean Terry's costumes are from different series even though they're all KoF costumes. I just don't think they would Mii Gunner Doom if they didn't Mii Gunner Metal Slug. Just my two cents.

It would be odd to me that they’d send Doom to Mii Costume hell when they didn’t do it SMT, Metal Slug,
or any other Microsoft/Rare property. They seem to be avoiding making big franchises mii costumes.

 

[Deleted member]

Here’s what I said in the Doom thread about the pattern of mii costumes in relation to Cacomallow



It would be odd to me that they’d send Doom to Mii Costume hell when they didn’t do it SMT, Metal Slug,
or any other Microsoft/Rare property. They seem to be avoiding making big franchises mii costumes.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Loog]

Spoiler

Of course. Having all the Nintendo rumors come true in one Direct would be insane but virtually impossible which is why, if certain rumors are true, I can see them being fulfilled between the January Direct and probably... well... ****... next fall. Some of the rumors seem like really obvious E3 announcements like, for example, the supposed 3D Mario so, no, I don't think the January Direct will have absolutely everything. At most I expect two of the remake/remasters announced with one (da big one) more likely then the other.

Wait so are the they remasters or full on remakes that are happening or both?

 

[DIY]

I'm now done with two of the eight sections and it's already about 5 pages long... Help...

If you need any help with editing or condensation or anything, let me know. I'd be happy to help!

 

[EarlTamm]

You know, considering the variety of composers Banjo-Kazooie got with its remixes, who do you think would work on hypothetical SMRPG remixes? I imagine Yoko Shimomura would get to do one, but are there any other names that immediately come to mind for you guys?

 

[AdamBel731]

I'm now done with two of the eight sections and it's already about 5 pages long... Help...

Since your write-up about Geno is going to be so lengthy, are you just going to post a Google Doc link or something?

 

[Griselda]

I think Geno should be in the Mario and Sonic series.

 

[EarlTamm]

I think Geno should be in the Mario and Sonic series.

I can only imagine the legal process behind making that happen. Then again, maybe adding some Square property could be a way to freshen up the series. We did have Final Fantasy characters in Mario Hoops 3-on-3 and Mario Sports Mix, so it could sorta work in universe.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

3 more weeks until we hopefully know who FP5 is.

There's also the 6th of January but I'm leaning more towards the 16th given that's when the next amiibos come out.

 

[Fatmanonice]

KCCHIEFS27 Remember that giant list of coincidences and odd happenings since 2015? Do you still have that? I wanted that to be one of the sections of the essay but you summarized that post about a billion years ago.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Think of it like this... Holy Crap! 6 is CD-I Link but, for some weird reason, he comes with a Hotel Mario stage, music, and 4 Hotel Mario Mii costumes for some weird reason. That sort of ****ery.

It's been one of those days...

Okay, just checking to make sure you had not missed that detail.

Say, everyone, about stages, how about as a fighting stage for Geno in Smash Bros. Ultimate, we get the overworld as a stage?

It would work like this. There is a platform the Smashers fight on, like in the Delfino Island stage in Smash. As the fighters fight, the world map is in the background. After some time, going clockwise around the map, the platform goes into and stops temporarily in one of seven locations: The Mushroom Kingdom, the Forest Maze, Booster's Tower, Star Hill, Monstro Town, Nimbus Land and then either Bowser's Keep or in the Weapons Factory. What do you all think of this idea?

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot, there may be obstacles and hazards like Bowyer, Valentina, Booster and his Snifts, Mack, Belome at Monstro town and maybe Smithy himself!

While I don't dislike the idea of a travelling stage to represent SMRPG, that'd also undeniably be an unfathomable amount of work to model out the entire world of SMRPG (for the first time, mind you), along with implementing all those hazards and background cameos. I, personally, am partial to the idea of a Bowser's Keep stage with Exor falling from the sky and bisecting the stage occasionally, mainly because I made a custom stage around it once.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

KCCHIEFS27 Remember that giant list of coincidences and odd happenings since 2015? Do you still have that? I wanted that to be one of the sections of the essay but you summarized that post about a billion years ago.

I do have this, I'll grab it and send it over shortly