Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Deleted member]

Fun reminder we only got 3 character reveals over the course of an entire year. As much crap as I get whenever I say it I'd take the smash 4 structure over whenever the hell this was any day, they literally got twice as much done with the same amount of time and frankly I hold them responsible for much of the unrest we've seen this year.

I mean, if you think people have been unreasonable, you have to blame them, not Nintendo for just strategically keeping their game and their company relevant. I agree that it's way too near the end of the Fighter's Pass to let the 5th character remain a mystery like this, but what fans do with that is on the fans. To soften the blow of "only 3 characters were revealed in a whole year", they did release 4 of 5 characters, and honestly if you take the general consensus of fans into consideration, that's somehow more than we were expecting and they were operating ahead of schedule, all the way up until now.

From a business standpoint, that actually makes a good deal of sense, because that means they're releasing a character per quarter and can judge the individual character sales on a quarterly basis, and also compare that to the sales of the Fighter's Pass at every point. When is consumer confidence high? What kind of character sells the best individually? Questions like that get answered in the sales structure they're taking. To my knowledge this is one of the first times Nintendo's done a season pass structure for one of their games, let alone one as big as Smash, so I think they're doing a lot of live testing on the sales of the pass itself. The sales going into it blind were probably high, but how many people waited until the end both to get a better deal and know what they're getting?

I think with that in mind, a double reveal is likely, but the next will be a bonus character, not associated with any pass. It gives them the time to answer the questions I just proposed, especially in regards to pass sales when all content is known, while giving fans something to look forward to in the interim. The continued DLC is already announced and definitely being worked on, so there's no hangup in production, just in distribution. It's the sort of statement that gives the Mallowdemon leak credence and agrees with Forsaken's post, but I firmly believe characters are done way in advance and released as they are to make some numbers somewhere work, maybe to pad weak months for the shareholders. Nintendo is a business, after all. As I've said before, the directs and the Smash announcements are just an act - we're being sold a narrative that characters are in production when they're very likely ready to go at a moment's notice.

They know exactly what they're doing with these surprise reveals, they just enjoy watching us suffer about who's coming next

Jesus, and people call some of my posts conspiracies...

 

[Franco Geno]

I mean, if you think people have been unreasonable, you have to blame them, not Nintendo for just strategically keeping their game and their company relevant. I agree that it's way too near the end of the Fighter's Pass to let the 5th character remain a mystery like this, but what fans do with that is on the fans. To soften the blow of "only 3 characters were revealed in a whole year", they did release 4 of 5 characters, and honestly if you take the general consensus of fans into consideration, that's somehow more than we were expecting and they were operating ahead of schedule, all the way up until now.

From a business standpoint, that actually makes a good deal of sense, because that means they're releasing a character per quarter and can judge the individual character sales on a quarterly basis, and also compare that to the sales of the Fighter's Pass at every point. When is consumer confidence high? What kind of character sells the best individually? Questions like that get answered in the sales structure they're taking. To my knowledge this is one of the first times Nintendo's done a season pass structure for one of their games, let alone one as big as Smash, so I think they're doing a lot of live testing on the sales of the pass itself. The sales going into it blind were probably high, but how many people waited until the end both to get a better deal and know what they're getting?

I think with that in mind, a double reveal is likely, but the next will be a bonus character, not associated with any pass. It gives them the time to answer the questions I just proposed, especially in regards to pass sales when all content is known, while giving fans something to look forward to in the interim. The continued DLC is already announced and definitely being worked on, so there's no hangup in production, just in distribution. It's the sort of statement that gives the Mallowdemon leak credence and agrees with Forsaken's post, but I firmly believe characters are done way in advance and released as they are to make some numbers somewhere work, maybe to pad weak months for the shareholders. Nintendo is a business, after all. As I've said before, the directs and the Smash announcements are just an act - we're being sold a narrative that characters are in production when they're very likely ready to go at a moment's notice.


Jesus, and people call some of my posts conspiracies...

That's just a theory, a Geno theory!

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah... I hope Season 2 is handled better. Stakes are definitely higher based on the mountain of super fan servicey names heard so people are going to be extra testy because some people have literally waited most of their lives for characters like Geno and Lloyd and the wait's pretty agonizing.

Add in: I guess I'm off lurking because I'm done with rumors for the foreseeable future and doubt anything will come up before the hypothetical January Direct.

 

[MaddaD]

I'm kind of skeptical of believing that there will be a Smash reveal in January, and will utterly be shocked if Geno, Lloyd, or fan favorite everybody wants but doesn't gets in. I'm more possible to believe that it'll be in February but I could be wrong.

also if Geno is Fighter Pass #5, I'll make ****ty MSPaint avatars for everybody in this thread.

 

[OffBi]

I'm kind of skeptical of believing that there will be a Smash reveal in January, and will utterly be shocked if Geno, Lloyd, or fan favorite everybody wants but doesn't gets in. I'm more possible to believe that it'll be in February but I could be wrong.

also if Geno is Fighter Pass #5, I'll make ****ty MSPaint avatars for everybody in this thread.

why wait?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm kind of skeptical of believing that there will be a Smash reveal in January, and will utterly be shocked if Geno, Lloyd, or fan favorite everybody wants but doesn't gets in. I'm more possible to believe that it'll be in February but I could be wrong.

also if Geno is Fighter Pass #5, I'll make ****ty MSPaint avatars for everybody in this thread.

The Fighters Pass was advertised as being done in February 2020, and the next wave of Amiibos is due on January 17, so there's really nothing to be skeptical about regarding January. Barring some real deep Nintendo bull****tery, they're going to show something off Smash related if for no other reason than to advertise the Amiibos.

As it stands my bets are on Fighter 5 being released the day they're revealed.

 

[Datboigeno]

The Fighters Pass was advertised as being done in February 2020, and the next wave of Amiibos is due on January 17, so there's really nothing to be skeptical about regarding January. Barring some real deep Nintendo bull****tery, they're going to show something off Smash related if for no other reason than to advertise the Amiibos.

As it stands my bets are on Fighter 5 being released the day they're revealed.

I fully expect a shadowdrop for 5. It’s too close to February to do the typical announce and release a few months later.

 

[MaddaD]

why wait?

Because I can.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Because I can.

Do it nao

 

[Malo Mart]

Not gonna lie, I prefer Nintendo's current plan of gradually revealing every DLC character instead of just showing us all their silhouettes or something. If they told us the next batch of fighters upfront and left it at that until their release, we'd all be hyped at first, sure, but after that, that wouldn't leave much of anything for speculation and the like. Which I get that for some would be great news, especially considering how toxic part of the community can be in regards to it, but that's more on them than the character announcement model itself.

And I don't know, man. I just think it's cool to think about and put pieces together on who Sakurai might get next on his wild ride. As nerve-racking as it can get with arrogant people and leaker drama and whatnot, Smash speculation is in and of itself is a fun hobby for me and has been for over a year. I don't want it to end this soon.

also if Geno is Fighter Pass #5, I'll make ****ty MSPaint avatars for everybody in this thread.

P L E A S E, do it even Geno doesn't end up being fighter 5 dude. That's too great of an opportunity to throw out the window

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I came by to lurk after an extended break, and I'm confused to find people complaining about the way they handled the pass and comparing it to Smash 4 of all things in a negative light, so I feel the need to remind people what things were like back then, because they weren't great...

They revealed Mewtwo as the first DLC character in October 2014 and we didn't hear anything until April 2015 about that release or the future of the game. This was peak Wii U era Nintendo when they were making dumb decisions left and right and just barely touching DLC, so there was some actual cause for concern in regards to what that meant for the game since Mewtwo was positioned as just a bonus and never the start of DLC proper. Yes, we then got Lucas revealed and then later got Roy and Ryu in June 2015... But then it went silent yet again until November 2015 when Cloud was revealed and the final presentation was announced.

Since Ultimate has released, we have received 5 unique and brand new fighters with tons of related content that easily outshines whatever Smash 4 had. Smash 4 at this time (which was actually longer because it released earlier in its year than Ultimate, and Smash 3DS released in bloody October) had 3 veterans and just 2 unique fighters released (and the unique fighters were Ryu who came with a stage and only 6 songs and Cloud who came with a stage and only 2 songs). Sure, there were a couple of additional stages too, but the majority of stuff was old content coming back, and the additional modes and such of Smash 4 pale in comparison to how much incredibly post launch support Ultimate has received on that front.

Smash 4's DLC was essentially a stitched together release schedule that just threw content rather randomly at the player in weird ways. Ultimate's was a coordinated effort with a significantly bigger budget that has only given us brand new content.

I genuinely don't see anything wrong with the way they've handled the Ultimate DLC cycle outside of this current radio silence to be honest, and to be honest, it's a massive, absolutely massive improvement over what we saw the last time around.

 

[Deleted member]

Because I can.

"he who hesitates is lost, my guy" - Geno, 1996 before slapping Smithy with his PULSATING ROD

why wait?

also the obligatory Geno version

Do it nao

you too

 

[OffBi]

"he who hesitates is lost, my guy" - Geno, 1996 before slapping Smithy with his PULSATING ROD


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Noice

 

[Griselda]

It is dawn, in the Smash world. Mario, Luigi and Peach are having tea while watching the sun rise. Link and Zelda show up, and are greeted merrily. Somewhere in the jungle, DK yawns (again) and watches the light reflect off of K Rool's crown. Back at the tea party, there's a sudden rush of wind and when it settles, Sonic is already seated, grinning as he brings his teacup to his mouth. Everyone laughs until Link gasps, staring out the window. They follow his gaze, and to their horror - the sun has stopped rising, and is sinking back down below the horizon. Everyone rushes outside just in time to see Fox's Arwing crash outside Peach's castle - the pilot jumping out at the last moment, and stumbling as he points to the sky. There is a massive hourglass-shaped vessel floating above the world, and as it slowly spins into a horizontal position, a bell rings out and the whole world is covered in the eerie glow of twilight, wisps of darkness rising from the ground as innumerable enemy fighters pour from the Hourglass. Everyone rushes off to join the battle, and as the camera pulls back, a familiar blue-caped figure watches from a cliff, waiting for his chance to reveal himself. Another figure - a dark hedgehog - places his hand on the caped one's shoulder, giving a reassuring nod. The two look back towards a third, unseen fighter, who gives a brief chuckle, before grunting, "Alright. Let's go rip and tear."

Super Smash Brothers Ultimate: World of Dusk

 

[Firox]

You know, with all this talk of Nintendo's radio silence and DLC cycles, it makes me wonder about the psychology of it all. It reminds me of an experiment I once heard about that has to do with inducing need/addiction in living creatures:

Basically, the experiment involved two groups of rats. The first was given a big red button, and every time the button got pressed, a ration of food would come out of a dispenser. The second group of rats were given a similar big red button, however theirs would activate the food dispenser randomly, meaning that it could take 1-50 presses before actually yielding any food.

The result? The first group of rats would only press the button when they were hungry, They had developed a trust in the button, knowing that it would feed them on demand. The second group, however, found themselves pushing the button all day every day in hopes of getting food. Without the guarantee of sating their hunger, they'd become slaves to the button, hoping that a sweet morsel was waiting just another press or two away.

Likening this to Smash bros information, I wonder how much nicer it would be if Nintendo at least gave us a release window for each character up front rather than randomly dropping bombs in between periods of famine. For example, if they said:

Fighter#5 release (Late Dec 2019-Early Jan 2020)

Fighter#6 release (Late Dec 2019-Feb 2020)

Fighter#7 release (March 2020-May 2020)

etc.

Or something to that effect. I'm thinking that that would take some of the edge off not knowing who the characters actually are or when we should expect them. Sitting in the dark with utter silence can just be maddening sometimes, especially with respect to speculation. At least this would help people pace themselves a little better expectations-wise. Granted, Nintendo would probably LIKE the idea of the "random button" factor since our hanging on their every word is exactly what they'd want, but what do you guys think?

 

[Franco Geno]

It is dawn, in the Smash world. Mario, Luigi and Peach are having tea while watching the sun rise. Link and Zelda show up, and are greeted merrily. Somewhere in the jungle, DK yawns (again) and watches the light reflect off of K Rool's crown. Back at the tea party, there's a sudden rush of wind and when it settles, Sonic is already seated, grinning as he brings his teacup to his mouth. Everyone laughs until Link gasps, staring out the window. They follow his gaze, and to their horror - the sun has stopped rising, and is sinking back down below the horizon. Everyone rushes outside just in time to see Fox's Arwing crash outside Peach's castle - the pilot jumping out at the last moment, and stumbling as he points to the sky. There is a massive hourglass-shaped vessel floating above the world, and as it slowly spins into a horizontal position, a bell rings out and the whole world is covered in the eerie glow of twilight, wisps of darkness rising from the ground as innumerable enemy fighters pour from the Hourglass. Everyone rushes off to join the battle, and as the camera pulls back, a familiar blue-caped figure watches from a cliff, waiting for his chance to reveal himself. Another figure - a dark hedgehog - places his hand on the caped one's shoulder, giving a reassuring nod. The two look back towards a third, unseen fighter, who gives a brief chuckle, before grunting, "Alright. Let's go rip and tear."

Super Smash Brothers Ultimate: World of Dusk

This is the best thing ever.

 

[MisterMike]

"he who hesitates is lost, my guy" - Geno, 1996 before slapping Smithy with his PULSATING ROD


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I apologize for nothing.

 

[ForsakenM]

The Fighters Pass was advertised as being done in February 2020, and the next wave of Amiibos is due on January 17, so there's really nothing to be skeptical about regarding January. Barring some real deep Nintendo bull****tery, they're going to show something off Smash related if for no other reason than to advertise the Amiibos.

As it stands my bets are on Fighter 5 being released the day they're revealed.

I think this is entirely likely as well, considering that #5 is definitely completed at this point.

This is also why I think a double reveal is possible in January, though I'm not keen on a double release or a triple reveal.

The only reason I think a triple reveal has any merit to be spoken about is that with being so near completion around whenever were having their gameplay breakdown recorded (remember, we had a whole polished idle stance as well as at least two moves and the stage looking good with Ryo already done as a background character all at that point in time) which HAD to be somewhere between May and July due to the needs of recording, translating and editing (keep in mind Sakurai said that the Terry vid was recorded over a month before it was revealed, and that one was the longest one yet. Still, both Hero and Banjo & Kazooie were both over 20 mins for their breakdowns and that means a lot of time was involved to edit and translate them, though maybe not as long as Terry) it would make sense that not only is #5 more than done but that #6 and #7 could easily be reveal ready if not release ready.

I just doubt that they would show off that many characters at once due to Nintendo not being about that life.

However, I think that a double reveal is very likely, but that only #5 will be available after their reveal. Basically, it would be their reveal, breakdown of how they play and everything they come with, Mii Costume line-up and Spirit Board. Then Sakurai would talk about the amiibo, what else comes with the new patch as well as just some general insight into Sakurai's mind and where he thinks Ultimate is headed in the future, and then we would end with a reveal of #6 and a release window that narrows it down to the month of the character's release.

 

[OffBi]

I apologize for nothing.
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kek, nice meme

 

[MaddaD]

P L E A S E, do it even Geno doesn't end up being fighter 5 dude. That's too great of an opportunity to throw out the window

You are nice, so here's your avvie.

 

[Griselda]

This is the best thing ever.

I'd like to include all of those ideas I brought up before, like the platforming levels before each major boss, and extra bosses in general. Maybe fill them with minor enemies and simple puzzles and call them fortresses. There'd still be cutscenes, but short like Ultimate's because of cost and dev time - I think text-box and character portrait cutscenes to tell most of the story would be fine. With only certain characters getting talking roles to carry the plot like Zelda, Fox, Sonic, etc.

 

[Fatmanonice]

EricTheGamerman Well, it's been insufferable for me for obvious reasons but...

 

[Malo Mart]

It is dawn, in the Smash world. Mario, Luigi and Peach are having tea while watching the sun rise. Link and Zelda show up, and are greeted merrily. Somewhere in the jungle, DK yawns (again) and watches the light reflect off of K Rool's crown. Back at the tea party, there's a sudden rush of wind and when it settles, Sonic is already seated, grinning as he brings his teacup to his mouth. Everyone laughs until Link gasps, staring out the window. They follow his gaze, and to their horror - the sun has stopped rising, and is sinking back down below the horizon. Everyone rushes outside just in time to see Fox's Arwing crash outside Peach's castle - the pilot jumping out at the last moment, and stumbling as he points to the sky. There is a massive hourglass-shaped vessel floating above the world, and as it slowly spins into a horizontal position, a bell rings out and the whole world is covered in the eerie glow of twilight, wisps of darkness rising from the ground as innumerable enemy fighters pour from the Hourglass. Everyone rushes off to join the battle, and as the camera pulls back, a familiar blue-caped figure watches from a cliff, waiting for his chance to reveal himself. Another figure - a dark hedgehog - places his hand on the caped one's shoulder, giving a reassuring nod. The two look back towards a third, unseen fighter, who gives a brief chuckle, before grunting, "Alright. Let's go rip and tear."

Super Smash Brothers Ultimate: World of Dusk

That's amazing!

You are nice, so here's your avvie.

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That's also amazing!

 

[Sunwer]

I know that the absence of Geno's mii suit is a great indicator of his possible inclusion as a fighter....

But what if Square simply did not give the rights?

 

[OffBi]

I know that the absence of Geno's mii suit is a great indicator of his possible inclusion as a fighter....

But what if Square simply did not give the rights?

Then they wouldn't give rights for spirits, now would they?

 

[Malo Mart]

I know that the absence of Geno's mii suit is a great indicator of his possible inclusion as a fighter....

But what if Square simply did not give the rights?

Beats me why they would give the rights for Geno's PNG in the base game and skip out on some extra cash by not grenlighting his Mii Costume

 

[Griselda]

I know that the absence of Geno's mii suit is a great indicator of his possible inclusion as a fighter....

But what if Square simply did not give the rights?

Could be the case, but I'm not sure why they wouldn't, since that'd be less money for them.

 

[Axelocke]

Could be the case, but I'm not sure why they wouldn't, since that'd be less money for them.

That'd honestly be the weirdest flex from Square.
"Hah, that Mii Costume that made us money? Not this time, Sakurai."
intimidating pose

 

[Firox]

That'd honestly be the weirdest flex from Square.
"Hah, that Mii Costume that made us money? Not this time, Sakurai."
intimidating pose

Exactly. That's what makes the absence of Geno's Mii costume so suspicious. They literally have ZERO reasons why not to simply allow an already-existing costume to be released for free money. The ONLY logical reason not to.....is give the puppet boy an upgrade.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I know that the absence of Geno's mii suit is a great indicator of his possible inclusion as a fighter....

But what if Square simply did not give the rights?

A few things:

-They already did for spirits.

-There's strong evidence that the original plan of the Fighter's Pass was to bring back all the Smash 4 DLC costumes so the assets were likely already negotiated for anyways. That being said, if the negotiations were just for the Mii costume, there would be no reason to hold him off for Hero, especially now that there's going to be a minimum of an 8 month gap between Hero's announcement and the announcement, not release, of Fighter 5. That's a huge time gap where more Mii costumes could easily be made instead of saved so there's no reason to hold onto Geno unless 6 or 7 are Square Enix characters or Geno himself.

 

[Griselda]

A few things:

-They already did for spirits.

-There's strong evidence that the original plan of the Fighter's Pass was to bring back all the Smash 4 DLC costumes so the assets were likely already negotiated for anyways. That being said, if the negotiations were just for the Mii costume, there would be no reason to hold him off for Hero, especially now that there's going to be a minimum of an 8 month gap between Hero's announcement and the announcement, not release, of Fighter 5. That's a huge time gap where more Mii costumes could easily be made instead of saved so there's no reason to hold onto Geno unless 6 or 7 are Square Enix characters or Geno himself.

For like half a second as the page was reloading, I could've sworn I saw a Santa hat on your avatar.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Not gonna lie, I prefer Nintendo's current plan of gradually revealing every DLC character instead of just showing us all their silhouettes or something. If they told us the next batch of fighters upfront and left it at that until their release, we'd all be hyped at first, sure, but after that, that wouldn't leave much of anything for speculation and the like. Which I get that for some would be great news, especially considering how toxic part of the community can be in regards to it, but that's more on them than the character announcement model itself.

And I don't know, man. I just think it's cool to think about and put pieces together on who Sakurai might get next on his wild ride. As nerve-racking as it can get with arrogant people and leaker drama and whatnot, Smash speculation is in and of itself is a fun hobby for me and has been for over a year. I don't want it to end this soon.

Honestly, in my opinion, speculation in general has been a slog ever since the base game dropped. People just don't know how to speculate for themselves anymore and instead rely on the word of "leakers" and "insiders" to direct thought and discussion, and it just takes all the fun out of it IMO. Remember that 3-6 month period where we basically weren't allowed to discuss any character other than Erdrick and Steve because those were what was hip with "leakers" and in "insider circles" at the time? Wasn't that just fun? This is a pretty big reason why I stopped frequenting this site a few months back (that, and I don't really play Smash anymore); this overreliance on Twitter prophets has just siphoned the life out of speculation to the point that it isn't even fun to speculate anymore. At this point, it feels more worth it to just sit back, grab a mug of joe (or hot chocolate, if you're feeling particularly festive), and wait for the inevitable Fighter 5 reveal and whatever else it brings.
Oh yeah, Geno. He's cool.

 

[Franco Geno]

For like half a second as the page was reloading, I could've sworn I saw a Santa hat on your avatar.

Fatman was Santa all along.

 

[EarlTamm]

Fatman was Santa all along.

Well, Santa has been often described as fat.

 

[Sunwer]

I know, there's a lot of evidence for Geno, but I don't know...He is even a character that I would love to see, but this situation is really weird. I made that same question to myself, the reason to give the spirit, but not the mii costume, but after that, is Square, company who only give 2 spirits to Final Fantasy, and ask a lot of money for the Hero inclusion. I hope our Geno speculations become a reality

 

[Fatmanonice]

Fatman was Santa all along.

Maybe:

Spoiler: Another face reveal

 

[Franco Geno]

Well, Santa has been often described as fat.

And he gives presents....that must mean that he's bringing Geno!

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

"he who hesitates is lost, my guy" - Geno, 1996 before slapping Smithy with his PULSATING ROD


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Exquisite!

 

[Ze Diglett]

Maybe:

Spoiler: Another face reveal

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Oh my god, Fatman was Doug Walker the whole time.

 

[Franco Geno]

The future is now old man!