Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Franco Geno]

Super Geno 64
Super Geno Sunshine
Geno Party
Paper Geno
Geno Kart Double Geno
Geno & Geno: SuperGeno Geno

Paper Geno : The Thousand Year Pulsating Rod

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I mean, what would happen if he was announced and we later find out that there is still no Geno costume?

That would be about 50,000 times more suspicious

 

[Cuzeba123]

Speaking of the Game Awards

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Spoiler: Wish list

*please Sonic Adventure remake*
*please Banjo-Threeie or remake of the N64 games*
*please new DKC with the return of K. Rool and the Kremlings*
*please a cool Smash reveal*

My prayers are done

 

[Vector Victor]

I mean, what would happen if he was announced and we later find out that there is still no Geno costume?

I would say 'For God's sake, Smash Team, stop being so damn wishy washy and just reveal him already, costume or playable.'

 

[Spatulo]

Paper Geno : The Thousand Year Pulsating Rod

I think you’re supposed to go to the doctor for that.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Anyone else feel that after all these company deconfirmations that character 5 might be the epitome of 'meh'? It won't be a bad choice, it it won't be a good choice. It will just be A choice, filler almost.

I think most are moving onto speculating post pass characters as so far there are no confirmed or fan restrictions on them, since we know nothing about them.

Kind of. Just entertaining the idea that #5 was swapped out for one of the post pass characters for whatever reason, whether they thought someone else would be better for the VGAs or 5 was supposed to tie into a game release that got delayed. Either way, this narrowing down of characters has been a slog and has kind of sucked the fun out of not knowing.

 

[Franco Geno]

I think you’re supposed to go to the doctor for that.

Oh..that's why we have Dr Geno!

 

[Firox]

While I have no personal stake in this argument at all, and I support Geno (a bit); allow me to fill in the gap.

-Lucas: While his game never released outside of Japan; Mother is a decently popular series in Japan and Mother 3 released not too long before Brawl. He was an easy echo choice.

-Duck Hunt: WTF pick that Sakurai likes (Game and Watch, Pirahna Plant, ROB). All of these are iconic characters that no one thought would be in Smash.

Again, no personal stake in the argument but the inclusion of Duck Hunt and Lucas can easily be defended.

True, but my point is that you could just as easily call Geno the next WTF pick so arguing why a character doesn't deserve to get in based on "relevance" is just biased and asinine. We've had everything from PP to Cloud, Duck hunt to Inkling, swinging between the most iconic and obscure. ANY character can be defended, but the question lies in what a person WANTS. If you WANT Geno, you'll justify it. If you DON'T want Geno, you can justify that too, but at the end of the day, for better or worse, it's Sakurai's will that decides the roster and it is FACT that Geno is both on his and Nintendo's radar, if for nothing else because the fans have made it so. If a person can't understand why anyone else would want Geno, it's simply because they choose not to. And that's just how it is. People like what they like and hate what they hate.

 

[Nicnac]

Not just Doomguy, but Bethesda is out too. Who the **** is it?

EDIT: Praying for Master Chief, unlikely though it may be.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of the Game Awards

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Off-topic, but I seriously hope one of those games is Metroid Prime Trilogy Switch.

 

[Spatulo]

Not just Doomguy, but Bethesda is out too. Who the **** is it?

EDIT: Praying for Master Chief, unlikely though it may be.

The final character is in fact Smashboards itself. As a result, the mods attempt to move the entire website into its own character forum, causing an Ouroboros-like reaction ending in the entire site collapsing into itself like a black hole.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

More word from Geoff. Think this means anything for our coveted Smash reveal? Or a lie to save face?

 

[Vector Victor]

Kind of. Just entertaining the idea that #5 was swapped out for one of the post pass characters for whatever reason, whether they thought someone else would be better for the VGAs or 5 was supposed to tie into a game release that got delayed. Either way, this narrowing down of characters has been a slog and has kind of sucked the fun out of not knowing.

It's like a murder mystery, and after eliminating the main characters, side characters, guest stars, cameos, single line of dialogue people, and animals ranging from the family dog to the raccoon that walked onto the set, as the actual culprit, you're guessing options left are the background character in the blue hat among 50 other background characters from act 1, the lady in purple dress who sneezed during the restaurant scene or a floor lamp.

And even the floor lamp is starting to get deconfirmed of it being character 5!

 

[Ovaltine]

More word from Geoff. Think this means anything for our coveted Smash reveal? Or a lie to save face?

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I mean, he isn't wrong. Nothing has been leaked. Disconfirmations aren't even what I'd call leaks at this point, especially if you take them with a dose of skepticism.

 

[Grumbo]

Happy birthday Fatmanonice ! Hope you have a good one. You definitely deserve to relax after all the stuff that happened the last couple days

It kinda baffles me that Chief is being seriously considered as fighter #5, but I’m not gonna complain. I dont wanna get my hopes too high though

 

[Deleted member]

More word from Geoff. Think this means anything for our coveted Smash reveal? Or a lie to save face?

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Probably neither of those possibilities.

He is probably aware about the Fighter 5 stuff and it is possible we still haven’t found who it is.

Does this mean Metroid Prime 3 Trilogy Switch is still safe for TGA doh?

 

[Firox]

Wait, so just for the record, did Travis Touchdown/Suda51 ever get officially deconfirmed?

 

[Grumbo]

More word from Geoff. Think this means anything for our coveted Smash reveal? Or a lie to save face?

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He’s 100% lying about RE3. Wasnt that on PSN itself? Im pretty sure its real, but that wont affect their plans. Also I doubt it has anything to do with Smash

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Wait, so just for the record, did Travis Touchdown/Suda51 ever get officially deconfirmed?

It was awhile ago, but I can't find the source now.

 

[Rohanx17]

Probably neither of those possibilities.

He is probably aware about the Fighter 5 stuff and it is possible we still haven’t found who it is.

Does this mean Metroid Prime 3 Trilogy Switch is still safe for TGA doh?

I don't think anyone's brought it up this go around so it's a possibility assuming it was real to begin with.

 

[Droodle]

True, but my point is that you could just as easily call Geno the next WTF pick so arguing why a character doesn't deserve to get in based on "relevance" is just biased and asinine. We've had everything from PP to Cloud, Duck hunt to Inkling, swinging between the most iconic and obscure. ANY character can be defended, but the question lies in what a person WANTS. If you WANT Geno, you'll justify it. If you DON'T want Geno, you can justify that too, but at the end of the day, for better or worse, it's Sakurai's will that decides the roster and it is FACT that Geno is both on his and Nintendo's radar, if for nothing else because the fans have made it so. If a person can't understand why anyone else would want Geno, it's simply because they choose not to. And that's just how it is. People like what they like and hate what they hate.

I think you're taking my post too harshly.
That said, Geno definitely wouldn't be a WTF pick as he has a large vocal fanbase; and people take the chance of his inclusion decently seriously.

Could you tell me that people were actively pushing for ROB, Game and Watch, Duck Hunt, and Pirahna Plant?

Because no one was actively supporting those characters.

Does that mean that Geno can't get in? Of course not. Any character can get in as long as Nintendo/Sakurai really want them in.

That said, you cannot tell me that Geno doesn't have some good competition because all he has is fan demand, which isn't an end all be all to determine if a character gets in (although it definitely helps.)

 

[Deleted member]

Luigi's Inside Story

let's don't.

 

[OffBi]

let's don't.

V O R E

 

[pinshadow]

He’s 100% lying about RE3. Wasnt that on PSN itself? Im pretty sure its real, but that wont affect their plans. Also I doubt it has anything to do with Smash

Hes not saying its fake, hes just saying RE3 wasn't being revealed there.

 

[Kremling Kommander]

Off-topic, but I seriously hope one of those games is Metroid Prime Trilogy Switch.

This. It would be awesome to play all three games in HD on the go, and it would be a great way to introduce new fans to it. I still don’t know what’s taking them so long to release it since we’ve known about it for almost a year now.

 

[Franco Geno]

let's don't.

Damm, let Luigi express his feelings man.

 

[ZelDan]

This. It would be awesome to play all three games in HD on the go, and it would be a great way to introduce new fans to it. I still don’t know what’s taking them so long to release it since we’ve known about it for almost a year now.

Wasn't the Prime trilogy meant to be leakbait? meaning knowing about it for a year means absolutely nothing?

 

[wynn728]

Why is everyone still sleeping on Travis Touchdown? He's still a legit contender for Fighter #5. As far as I know, Suda51 was NOT included among the mountain of deconfirmed companies/developers, and let's not forget that him and Sakurai are good friends. Couple this with all of Travis' potentially unique retro video game mechanics/throwbacks and the many wrestling moves he employs, I could easily see him as one of the most unique swordfighters in the game (and frankly one of the few possible swordfighters that wouldn't bore the crap out of me). They could even give him the dual-wield lightsabers to add to his unique style. Also consider that he just recently had a new game come out on Switch so his franchise is far from dead (if that even matters). I'm calling it now. Travis for the VGA's.

PS Geno for fighter #6, baby!

Because the moment people mention him is the moment he gets deconfirmed.

 

[T2by4]

Hope you all enjoy seeing @Disney every time you start up the game.

Not just Doomguy, but Bethesda is out too. Who the **** is it?

EDIT: Praying for Master Chief, unlikely though it may be.

>mfw they were right that bethesda isn't FP5, but is instead the dlc IMMEDIATELY after the pass FP5
>mfw FP5 is master chief
>mfw the trailer is both chief and doomguy duking it out before dharkon enters the scene where the two of them unite to fight dharkon

 

[Firox]

I think you're taking my post too harshly.
That said, Geno definitely wouldn't be a WTF pick as he has a large vocal fanbase; and people take the chance of his inclusion decently seriously.

Could you tell me that people were actively pushing for ROB, Game and Watch, Duck Hunt, and Pirahna Plant?

Because no one was actively supporting those characters.

Does that mean that Geno can't get in? Of course not. Any character can get in as long as Nintendo/Sakurai really want them in.

That said, you cannot tell me that Geno doesn't have some good competition because all he has is fan demand, which isn't an end all be all to determine if a character gets in (although it definitely helps.)

Firstly, I just want to say that I didn't mean to sound overly harsh to you. I agree with pretty much all of your points. One thing though I will say is that I would sincerely hope that the fanbase will be able to pull off a win considering how many characters got in that nobody ever asked for. That's just my personal belief.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Wait, so just for the record, did Travis Touchdown/Suda51 ever get officially deconfirmed?

Yes, technically twice and about 8 months apart by Suda himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...lation-travis-touchdown-no-more-heroes-update


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ga...us-what-to-expect-from-no-more-heroes-iii?amp

 

[Megadoomer]

He’s 100% lying about RE3. Wasnt that on PSN itself? Im pretty sure its real, but that wont affect their plans. Also I doubt it has anything to do with Smash

https://www.destructoid.com/capcom-...ames-playable-at-jump-festa-2020-573809.phtml
Capcom's bringing several unknown titles to Jump Festa in a few weeks. I'm not sure what kind of audience that has (or how often M-rated games get shown there), but a Resident Evil 3 remake could be one of them.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

https://www.destructoid.com/capcom-...ames-playable-at-jump-festa-2020-573809.phtml
Capcom's bringing several unknown titles to Jump Festa in a few weeks. I'm not sure what kind of audience that has (or how often M-rated games get shown there), but a Resident Evil 3 remake could be one of them.

Let's hope that Capcom is gonna take us for a ride~

 

[FalconFire93]

Super Geno 64
Super Geno Sunshine
Geno Party
Paper Geno
Geno Kart Double Geno
Geno & Geno: SuperGeno Geno

Super Geno RPG: Legend of the Seven Genos

The hero Geno and his pals, Genio, Genallow, Princess Geno, and Genowser must collect the seven Genos and rebuild Geno Road to stop the evil Geno.

Super Genio Bros.
Super Genio Bros. USA
Super Genio Bros. 2
Super Genio Bros. 3
Super Genio World

 

[Deleted member]

Let's hope that Capcom is gonna take us for a ride~

HOLY CRAP YES

WITH THE FANTASTIC FOUR IN THE ROSTER.

 

[Spatulo]

Let's hope that Capcom is gonna take us for a ride~

Please god yes.

Whatever they have I just hope that it’s viewtiful

 

[Malo Mart]

Geez, the thread picked up steam as soon as I left for a bit. Any big news I should be aware of?

 

[Griselda]

Geez, the thread picked up steam as soon as I left for a bit. Any big news I should be aware of?

I returned.

 

[Deleted member]

Please god yes.

Whatever they have I just hope that it’s viewtiful

I am really digging these puns.

They are leaving me in Blanka by how clever they are.

 

[DanganZilla5]

I've just been thinking. I'm starting to think that we might see a company already in the fighters pass get another character. There are just so many deconfirmed characters that I think I've narrowed it down to a bunch.

• Sora
• Master Chief
• Kratos
• Blizzard rep (maybe Diablo or World of Warcraft)
• Steve (minecraft)
• Arle Nedja
• Bethesda rep (Dovakhiin or Fallout character)
• Team Fortress 2 rep
• MOBA rep like League of Legends
• Monokuma
• Travis Touchdown
• Lara Croft
• Konami rep (Contra?)
• A first party character like Three Houses rep or Waluigi
• Yakuza rep (relatively popular in Japan, growing popularity in West, and it did get a port for the Wii U in Japan)
• And maybe 1 or 2 others I can't think of at the moment

These are the likeliest reps I feel, although admittedly some of these are a big stretch. But if Vergeben and Sabi are both correct, that would at least narrow down the likeliest candidates. Out of all of these, I think Master Chief, Steve, Arle, and Travis Touchdown are the likeliest. Fatmanonice Didn't you say that Sora was likely to be a VGA 2020 announcement at the earliest? Or did anything about that change? I do feel Sora would be one heck of a way to end the fighters pass, but based on what you said about that and the theory that post-pass characters will be more fan servicy, I'm not super high on Sora being FP5. Btw, I just want to say, Fatman, that I enjoy your speculation and I appreciate that when you were in Sabi's circle, you put up with the pressure of you being put on the spot a lot. Yet you continued to work with us and deliver some useful info. Thank you.

Now, let's talk about these characters. Grab your popcorn and a drink. Because I'm going deep with these.

First, Sora (out of all the characters on my list) is one of, if not, the most popular character who has been highly requested for a long time. Kingdom Hearts is a big, successful, and iconic series. He has done exceedingly well in polls. I would say on this list, he is definitely within top 5 or 3. And being associated with Disney isn't an issue. Disney has openly said they wouldn't mind having Sora in Smash. Worst case scenario, we will just get 2 songs and not many spirits. And I could see Sora definitely working without Disney characters. Yes it would pull away half the charm of the series, but I think there are enough charming things outside of the Disney content to make the representation feel like Kingdom Hearts (Simple and Clean anyone?)

Master Chief. I've discussed him a couple times, but I think he is actually possible. If Sakurai really wanted to end the pass with a bang and really solidify Smash Ultimate as the biggest crossover of all time, he would go to someone like Chief as it would be a surprise and huge deal. There is the problem of him never being on a Nintendo console, but I have a feeling that Sakurai might end up breaking that rule one day. Plus, from a business standpoint, it seems possible as Master Chief would make a lot of money from his iconicness alone and Microsoft would most likely not refuse as all it will do is give them more attention from the marketing. And of course, Nintendo and Microsoft are buddy-buddy and they are practically in bed making out at this point.

Kratos. Oh boy. I know what most of you will say with Sony being thick-headed and you do have a point. Honestly I don't have a lot of evidence to back this up besides that it would be a complete surprise and a Sony rep would be the biggest shocker left. Now, Sony has gotten more laxed with competition. They are slowly allowing more cross play. Heck, them and Microsoft are actually working together (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google). Finally, Sony was at that Smash tournament. I have a feeling that they might be starting to warm up to other companies. If we could see some kind of partnership between Nintendo and Sony in the near future, I think Kratos could happen. I know this is a stretch, but Sakurai has done the impossible before.

Blizzard rep. You might be shaking your head. But let's think about this. Blizzard has been supporting the Switch with Diablo 3 and Overwatch. So they seem to have a good relationship. Plus, Blizzard is owned by Activision, and if Sabi's source is correct and they didn't negotiate for Crash, they could have went to Blizzard/Activision and negotiated for a character from a game like Diablo or even World of Warcraft. As for Diablo, it is a very popular series. Also, and I'll be bringing this up a lot later, Nintendo might try and see if they can get PC gaming to be more popular in Japan. If PC games become more popular, so will Switch ports of those games. Same with World of Warcraft, which is very popular and iconic and might bring in new players for Smash.

Steve from Minecraft. Minecraft is the best selling game of all time. Steve would sell better than hot cakes. And he certainly would be iconic enough to be announced at the Game Awards (even if he is not the most iconic image of the game people will still be able to recognize him or at least his art style). Minecraft has been highly influential on the industry and is quite popular in Japan as well. I do agree that with how stiff Steve is, it might be hard to translate a moveset for him, but as a counter argument, look at Mr. Game & Watch. He has limited animation and is stiff, but he works well in Smash.

Arle Nedja. I think people are sleeping on her chances too much. She is quite popular in Japan and I think Puyo Puyo being the first (and so far only) foreign game on the SNES online is quite suspicious. She would have a unique moveset with it focusing on the puzzle aspect of her games, and apparently she has some spells as well. She fits the aesthetic of the game and overall she seems like the type of left field pick that Sakurai would choose.

Bethesda rep. Ever since Doom Slayer was deconfirmed, people have not been talking about this company a lot. Fallout could happen as Fallout Shelter is on the Switch and there have been rumors of Fallout being ported to the Switch. But the bigger candidate is the Dragonborn. The Elder Scrolls is iconic and has been around for a long time. Skyrim is one of the biggest games of this decade and got ports for a long time (Not as much as games like Resident Evil 4 which people seem to forget about) and is still talked about a lot these days. Plus, Bethesda was one of the first companies to support the Switch, even having Skyrim in the Switch reveal trailer. They have a very good relationship and it only makes sense that they would be the western company after Microsoft to get a rep.

Team Fortress 2. Again, Nintendo might want to bring people from the PC market over to the Switch, especially since there would be a reason for them to have a Switch due to the portability. When people think of PC gaming, they think of Valve. Team Fortress is one of Valve's and even one of PC's biggest and most iconic games. There is enough charm and moveset potential to distinguish a TF2 rep from other FPS reps. With Gordon Freeman seemingly deconfirmed, TF2 is the next best rep for Valve. Importantly, Gabe Newell has said that he would be fine with Gordon Freeman in Smash, and thus most likely he would say the same for a TF2 rep.

MOBA rep. In addition to what I've said about PC gaming, something like League of Legends would be interesting and a left field choice. Apparently there is a League of Legends game coming to the Switch next year (supposedly). Admittedly we don't know much about how Sakurai feels about this genre, but LoL is very popular and is the game that heavily influenced MOBAs. If we do get a MOBA rep, it would probably be from LoL.

Monokuma. Sakurai has talked about Danganronpa before and congratulated Kodaka and his team for the work on Danganronpa V3. It's safe to assume that Sakurai respects Danganronpa and if Phoenix is off the table, it's possible that Sakurai went to Monokuma as the first visual novel rep. The only thing is that Danganronpa has never appeared on a Nintendo console. There have been rumors of a trilogy port, but nothing solid. I honestly don't have much else to say, but Monokuma is the type of character that Sakurai would choose because his art style could work well in Smash and he is overall a wacky character. Also, they can always tone down his violence.

Travis Touchdown. I honestly think this guy is a frontrunner. Yeah, a higher up from the company said he wasn't in the fighters pass, but Grant Kirkhope straight up lied about Banjo. No More Heroes 3 is coming next year and I think he genuinely has a very good shot. Interesting art style that could fit Smash very well, unique moveset potential, and Nintendo history, oh and also a wacky left field pick.

Lara Croft. I wrote an entire paragraph then realized that Geno and Sora would get in first before her. Meaning she has little chance of being FP5, at least from my point of view. Still a possibility though.

Konami rep. If Resident Evil isn't getting in for a while at east, I don't see Silent Hill getting in first. Resident Evil is just simply the bigger and more iconic and influential series. I don't see too many Konami reps having a good chance.....except for Contra. I never thought about it, but Contra makes a lot of sense. It's one of the classic series from the NES and SNES era. Plus I think Sakurai has been looking to make a shooter rep. During Banjo's presentation, Sakurai did mention his standard special being from a FPS section from one of the Banjo games. I always found that interesting. And it could be a hint to a shooter rep like Contra because to me, it seems like that Sakurai was experimenting with a shooting mechanic that could be worked on and improved to fit a shooter character. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm taking Contra seriously. It's a popular series that goes on to this day, and I honestly see it as a possibility for Smash.

And finally, a First party rep. I'm confident that FP5 will be a 3rd party character, but despite all the other fighter pass characters being 3rd party, there is nothing that says that FP5 can't be an exception. I do find it suspicious that FE Three Houses doesn't even have a spirit event. Not even Astral Chain. If Sakurai wanted to end the pass with a surprise, I honest to god think that Waluigi could be it. Not likely, but a good possibility.

For anyone who was willing to read through all that, any thoughts? Other character suggestions?