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Nah, Sabi said the costumes weren't related to fighter 5 but never said it was outright fake.
It hasn't been declared definitively fake, but it has been shown that it's possible replicate parts of it such as the tilted camera, which means the chances of it being fake are now higher.
This literally means nothing. Jon kept going on Puyo Puyo being in Smash Bros. Just because a Jon did a thing doesn't mean he's using his insider info crap. Jeezums people.
I mean, we're one DLC fighter from having been right. Anybody who genuinely argued Spirits deconfirm as a point of order did so in regards to the Fighter's Pass and not DLC to the end of time. It's the people who have decided, DLC Spirits confirm forever despite additional DLC being chosen at a later date that have always muddied the waters of the actual argument myself and many others made regarding the Fighter's Pass and Spirits.
Yeah, I found that to be a tad odd as well. All the names he listed, and he doesn't mention Geno, Lloyd or Freddy Fazbear. I'm thinkin' they're in!
He's just being hyperbolic, wynn. None of us actually believe that it's some sort of hint.
This is the most hype I’ve ever been for a VGA show. I can’t wait to see what outcome plays out.
Waluigi being the fifth Fighters Pass character would be... brilliantly troll-y, to be honest.
I’m sorry, but the fact that the “leaker” himself, whom your entire theory seems to rest on, said that Waluigi is probably not FP5, that alone makes the theory completely fall apart.*CRAZY THEORY MODE ACTIVATE, HUGE POST INCOMING*
Let me introduce you to something I call...
The WAH theory...
Hear me out, i'm gonna say this before Fighter 5 gets leaked and i'm totally wrong...
Fighter 5 might actually be ****ing WALUIGI.
https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200208052479315968
*People have told me that this account is a sabi alt or related to him in someway but I can't find anything to confirm that*
*EDIT: Sabi has confirmed this is NOT his alt*
This is the Paragon leak. It came right before E3 and was one of the few leaks to guess LUMINARY over Erdrick. Luminary is key here because we know for a fact that the Dragon Quest character was never going to be just Erdrick alone. Now, it's possible that Erdrick may have been planned to be the default costume at one point, but the fact that Luminary existed from the get-go, the fact that he represents DQ XI over just DQ in general, and the fact that he would be arguably more relevant overseas compared to Erdrick, contributing to a more worldwide appeal, even if mainly aimed towards Japan makes me think he was probably always destined to be the default.
Now obviously the big fly in the soup here is Frisk instead of Terry, but I have talked with Paragon about this and I distinctly remember him saying (even during late E3 season when this leak was a hot topic) that Frisk is more of a general prediction towards Undertale content. And basically, Paragon assumed a fighter due to the music existing because no Mii Fighters had ever come with songs before. AND, his prediction of not Sans did end up true, to be fair. The whole thing is summarized really well here, with Paragon correcting some of my misinterpretations.
Now, Paragon says he agrees with Fatmanonice here in that Waluigi is not Fighter 5. (Fatman himself doesn't comment on Waluigi understandably, because of the prospect of death threats similar to the ones Paragon received, but he has said on Discord before that he believes FP 5 likely isn't a first party character, which is a category that Waluigi undoubtedly falls under)
This is where Imran Khan comes in. If you guys don't know he's basically a resetera dude from GameInformer and has an extremely credible track record. He was one of those "big guys" who went seriously against the Grinch leak. Think of it like this, in terms of where he stands in credibility, call him Shinobi's Echo Fighter.
If you watch Imran's reaction to the Sept. 4th Direct from a backup of his livestream that day, he clearly knows about the extra fighters, and then goes onto claim that Nintendo made the decision to do extra Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC around E3 time. What's worth nothing is Paragon heard Waluigi AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY, and he heard that he was "last".
At one point, the Final Fighter's Pass character was going to be the last new Smash character for a LONG time, and most people assume that the next game will be a reboot, making the prospect of new characters slim. Waluigi is obviously not in line with ending on a character like Incineroar or Bayonetta, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a controversial ending to many people, that's pretty hard to deny. In that sense, I think he makes perfect sense as the "ultimate ending, the ultimate troll, the ultimate whateveryouwannasay". I can see at one point that this would be the character that Sakurai would decide to basically end Smash Ultimate on.
And then to end this off, i'd like to conclude on going back to Jon's video posted today, where he went ALL in on Spirits and Assist Trophies not deconfirming anyone for DLC and specifically made points about fighter 5 potentially being someone like Rex and Pyra. Obviously Jon wouldn't flat out say who the character is in a GameXplain video, so this makes me think this is a cover up for a different character. Notice how Jon specifically didn't mention obvious candidates for upgrades like cough Geno or COUGHCOUGH Waluigi. I specifically don't think Rex is DLC 5 (even if he still could be post pass) because of this statement:
Keep in mind, Jon made a similar stance on the Grinch leak, even went as far to bet he would have to sit in a wet puddle for a long time if the Grinch was real. He sounds really confident in this and I doubt he'd go all in on this like he is if he was to be proven wrong and the rest of DLC would just be third party characters with no Assist Trophies/Spirits upgraded.
And with that, I think my stance here is concluded. I COMPLETELY realize that this may end up looking incredibly stupid when Lloyd or some other 3rd party we could have expected ends up being DLC 5, but I think it's still fun to speculate around the information we have now.
Feel free to look at this and laugh, say haha stupid theory this guy knows jack **** about what he's talking about. But like I said, it was still fun to form such a speculative theory that goes a long distance from what type of characters most people predict from FP 5. If you dislike Waluigi, please try not to attack me i'm not saying you have to like him or anything, i'm just forming a theory around him.
TLDR | Waluigi is Fighter 5, Geno very good shot for post pass
Consider this V1.1 of this post since there might be some edits I need to make later.
If it turns out that FP5 was ****ing Waluigi this entire time, I will laugh my ass off.*CRAZY THEORY MODE ACTIVATE, HUGE POST INCOMING*
Let me introduce you to something I call...
The WAH theory...
Hear me out, i'm gonna say this before Fighter 5 gets leaked and i'm totally wrong...
Fighter 5 might actually be ****ing WALUIGI.
https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200208052479315968
*People have told me that this account is a sabi alt or related to him in someway but I can't find anything to confirm that*
*EDIT: Sabi has confirmed this is NOT his alt*
This is the Paragon leak. It came right before E3 and was one of the few leaks to guess LUMINARY over Erdrick. Luminary is key here because we know for a fact that the Dragon Quest character was never going to be just Erdrick alone. Now, it's possible that Erdrick may have been planned to be the default costume at one point, but the fact that Luminary existed from the get-go, the fact that he represents DQ XI over just DQ in general, and the fact that he would be arguably more relevant overseas compared to Erdrick, contributing to a more worldwide appeal, even if mainly aimed towards Japan makes me think he was probably always destined to be the default.
Now obviously the big fly in the soup here is Frisk instead of Terry, but I have talked with Paragon about this and I distinctly remember him saying (even during late E3 season when this leak was a hot topic) that Frisk is more of a general prediction towards Undertale content. And basically, Paragon assumed a fighter due to the music existing because no Mii Fighters had ever come with songs before. AND, his prediction of not Sans did end up true, to be fair. The whole thing is summarized really well here, with Paragon correcting some of my misinterpretations.
Now, Paragon says he agrees with Fatmanonice here in that Waluigi is not Fighter 5. (Fatman himself doesn't comment on Waluigi understandably, because of the prospect of death threats similar to the ones Paragon received, but he has said on Discord before that he believes FP 5 likely isn't a first party character, which is a category that Waluigi undoubtedly falls under)
This is where Imran Khan comes in. If you guys don't know he's basically a resetera dude from GameInformer and has an extremely credible track record. He was one of those "big guys" who went seriously against the Grinch leak. Think of it like this, in terms of where he stands in credibility, call him Shinobi's Echo Fighter.
If you watch Imran's reaction to the Sept. 4th Direct from a backup of his livestream that day, he clearly knows about the extra fighters, and then goes onto claim that Nintendo made the decision to do extra Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC around E3 time. What's worth nothing is Paragon heard Waluigi AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY, and he heard that he was "last".
At one point, the Final Fighter's Pass character was going to be the last new Smash character for a LONG time, and most people assume that the next game will be a reboot, making the prospect of new characters slim. Waluigi is obviously not in line with ending on a character like Incineroar or Bayonetta, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a controversial ending to many people, that's pretty hard to deny. In that sense, I think he makes perfect sense as the "ultimate ending, the ultimate troll, the ultimate whateveryouwannasay". I can see at one point that this would be the character that Sakurai would decide to basically end Smash Ultimate on.
And then to end this off, i'd like to conclude on going back to Jon's video posted today, where he went ALL in on Spirits and Assist Trophies not deconfirming anyone for DLC and specifically made points about fighter 5 potentially being someone like Rex and Pyra. Obviously Jon wouldn't flat out say who the character is in a GameXplain video, so this makes me think this is a cover up for a different character. Notice how Jon specifically didn't mention obvious candidates for upgrades like cough Geno or COUGHCOUGH Waluigi. I specifically don't think Rex is DLC 5 (even if he still could be post pass) because of this statement:
Keep in mind, Jon made a similar stance on the Grinch leak, even went as far to bet he would have to sit in a wet puddle for a long time if the Grinch was real. He sounds really confident in this and I doubt he'd go all in on this like he is if he was to be proven wrong and the rest of DLC would just be third party characters with no Assist Trophies/Spirits upgraded.
And with that, I think my stance here is concluded. I COMPLETELY realize that this may end up looking incredibly stupid when Lloyd or some other 3rd party we could have expected ends up being DLC 5, but I think it's still fun to speculate around the information we have now.
Feel free to look at this and laugh, say haha stupid theory this guy knows jack **** about what he's talking about. But like I said, it was still fun to form such a speculative theory that goes a long distance from what type of characters most people predict from FP 5. If you dislike Waluigi, please try not to attack me i'm not saying you have to like him or anything, i'm just forming a theory around him.
TLDR | Waluigi is Fighter 5, Geno very good shot for post pass
Consider this V1.1 of this post since there might be some edits I need to make later.
Time flies? Not really, at least for me. The Game Awards, or whenever Fighter 5's reveal is, can't come fast enough.
What exactly do you want? Despite this being like the 4th or 5th time this has happened, I'm trying my damnedest this time not to get super angry because, once again, my character is being attacked by someone I've had like zero interactions with. When dozens of people jump to my defense every time this happens, maybe that should tell you something. Maybe it should tell you that I'm not some rat ******* stealing info and am actually going about this in an ethical manner. Maybe my grand total of zero law suits should tell you that what I present is thoughts and rumors instead of honest to god leaks. For whatever reason, this has massively bent you out of shape and instead of bouncing like most insiders, I'm taking the full brunt of it and trying to understand the motivation behind posts like this.
I never once attacked your character dude. All I’m saying is that I find it very odd that you claim to just be speculating, but then share names that may or may not actually be in the game in the future.
Nostalgia and expecations. Go play SMRPG, if you haven´t. Nowhere near as an epic plot as it was back in the day, but it feels like a nice wholesome happy cartoon.
I've been playing SMRPG for the last 20 odd years, it's one of my all time favorite games. I just don't think I've ever seen a Smash speculation thread get this much attention... except maybe the Smash 4 Ridley one.
Dunno how that one ended, but what could be better than actually getting geno as a playable character_? A remake or sequel?
Cuz Geno is a pretty cool dude.
It got locked because it got toxic real fast after Ridley was fully deconfirmed in the 50 Facts Direct for Smash Wii U. It's the only other Smash thread I can remember generating this much buzz and discussion.
THAT... actually makes a lot of sense. Now, of course, tons of characters seemingly line up and make sense but never make it in but...*CRAZY THEORY MODE ACTIVATE, HUGE POST INCOMING*
Let me introduce you to something I call...
The WAH theory...
Hear me out, i'm gonna say this before Fighter 5 gets leaked and i'm totally wrong...
Fighter 5 might actually be ****ing WALUIGI.
https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200208052479315968
*People have told me that this account is a sabi alt or related to him in someway but I can't find anything to confirm that*
*EDIT: Sabi has confirmed this is NOT his alt*
This is the Paragon leak. It came right before E3 and was one of the few leaks to guess LUMINARY over Erdrick. Luminary is key here because we know for a fact that the Dragon Quest character was never going to be just Erdrick alone. Now, it's possible that Erdrick may have been planned to be the default costume at one point, but the fact that Luminary existed from the get-go, the fact that he represents DQ XI over just DQ in general, and the fact that he would be arguably more relevant overseas compared to Erdrick, contributing to a more worldwide appeal, even if mainly aimed towards Japan makes me think he was probably always destined to be the default.
Now obviously the big fly in the soup here is Frisk instead of Terry, but I have talked with Paragon about this and I distinctly remember him saying (even during late E3 season when this leak was a hot topic) that Frisk is more of a general prediction towards Undertale content. And basically, Paragon assumed a fighter due to the music existing because no Mii Fighters had ever come with songs before. AND, his prediction of not Sans did end up true, to be fair. The whole thing is summarized really well here, with Paragon correcting some of my misinterpretations.
Now, Paragon says he agrees with Fatmanonice here in that Waluigi is not Fighter 5. (Fatman himself doesn't comment on Waluigi understandably, because of the prospect of death threats similar to the ones Paragon received, but he has said on Discord before that he believes FP 5 likely isn't a first party character, which is a category that Waluigi undoubtedly falls under)
This is where Imran Khan comes in. If you guys don't know he's basically a resetera dude from GameInformer and has an extremely credible track record. He was one of those "big guys" who went seriously against the Grinch leak. Think of it like this, in terms of where he stands in credibility, call him Shinobi's Echo Fighter.
If you watch Imran's reaction to the Sept. 4th Direct from a backup of his livestream that day, he clearly knows about the extra fighters, and then goes onto claim that Nintendo made the decision to do extra Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC around E3 time. What's worth nothing is Paragon heard Waluigi AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY, and he heard that he was "last".
At one point, the Final Fighter's Pass character was going to be the last new Smash character for a LONG time, and most people assume that the next game will be a reboot, making the prospect of new characters slim. Waluigi is obviously not in line with ending on a character like Incineroar or Bayonetta, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a controversial ending to many people, that's pretty hard to deny. In that sense, I think he makes perfect sense as the "ultimate ending, the ultimate troll, the ultimate whateveryouwannasay". I can see at one point that this would be the character that Sakurai would decide to basically end Smash Ultimate on.
And then to end this off, i'd like to conclude on going back to Jon's video posted today, where he went ALL in on Spirits and Assist Trophies not deconfirming anyone for DLC and specifically made points about fighter 5 potentially being someone like Rex and Pyra. Obviously Jon wouldn't flat out say who the character is in a GameXplain video, so this makes me think this is a cover up for a different character. Notice how Jon specifically didn't mention obvious candidates for upgrades like cough Geno or COUGHCOUGH Waluigi. I specifically don't think Rex is DLC 5 (even if he still could be post pass) because of this statement:
Keep in mind, Jon made a similar stance on the Grinch leak, even went as far to bet he would have to sit in a wet puddle for a long time if the Grinch was real. He sounds really confident in this and I doubt he'd go all in on this like he is if he was to be proven wrong and the rest of DLC would just be third party characters with no Assist Trophies/Spirits upgraded.
And with that, I think my stance here is concluded. I COMPLETELY realize that this may end up looking incredibly stupid when Lloyd or some other 3rd party we could have expected ends up being DLC 5, but I think it's still fun to speculate around the information we have now.
Feel free to look at this and laugh, say haha stupid theory this guy knows jack **** about what he's talking about. But like I said, it was still fun to form such a speculative theory that goes a long distance from what type of characters most people predict from FP 5. If you dislike Waluigi, please try not to attack me i'm not saying you have to like him or anything, i'm just forming a theory around him.
TLDR | Waluigi is Fighter 5, Geno very good shot for post pass
Consider this V1.1 of this post since there might be some edits I need to make later.
While I understand the bad mood, my fiancee called off our wedding with a text message two weeks ago on our three year anniversary and I'm not taking it out on others. If I can be nice despite that, this situation shouldn't be causing anyone to be nasty.
Well thats not fatmans fault now is it? If people dont want to try and understand fatmans postion and how he does things thats not his fault or his problem. So lay off the guy dude, hes trying to be patient with you .
In life there's consistancy with the rules of nature. Such as how gravity and time remains a constant in this ever changing world. How ice will melt given enough heat. Waluigi not being playable in Smash Bros is one of those constance in the rules of nature.*CRAZY THEORY MODE ACTIVATE, HUGE POST INCOMING*
Let me introduce you to something I call...
The WAH theory...
Hear me out, i'm gonna say this before Fighter 5 gets leaked and i'm totally wrong...
Fighter 5 might actually be ****ing WALUIGI.
https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200208052479315968
*People have told me that this account is a sabi alt or related to him in someway but I can't find anything to confirm that*
*EDIT: Sabi has confirmed this is NOT his alt*
This is the Paragon leak. It came right before E3 and was one of the few leaks to guess LUMINARY over Erdrick. Luminary is key here because we know for a fact that the Dragon Quest character was never going to be just Erdrick alone. Now, it's possible that Erdrick may have been planned to be the default costume at one point, but the fact that Luminary existed from the get-go, the fact that he represents DQ XI over just DQ in general, and the fact that he would be arguably more relevant overseas compared to Erdrick, contributing to a more worldwide appeal, even if mainly aimed towards Japan makes me think he was probably always destined to be the default.
Now obviously the big fly in the soup here is Frisk instead of Terry, but I have talked with Paragon about this and I distinctly remember him saying (even during late E3 season when this leak was a hot topic) that Frisk is more of a general prediction towards Undertale content. And basically, Paragon assumed a fighter due to the music existing because no Mii Fighters had ever come with songs before. AND, his prediction of not Sans did end up true, to be fair. The whole thing is summarized really well here, with Paragon correcting some of my misinterpretations.
Now, Paragon says he agrees with Fatmanonice here in that Waluigi is not Fighter 5. (Fatman himself doesn't comment on Waluigi understandably, because of the prospect of death threats similar to the ones Paragon received, but he has said on Discord before that he believes FP 5 likely isn't a first party character, which is a category that Waluigi undoubtedly falls under)
This is where Imran Khan comes in. If you guys don't know he's basically a resetera dude from GameInformer and has an extremely credible track record. He was one of those "big guys" who went seriously against the Grinch leak. Think of it like this, in terms of where he stands in credibility, call him Shinobi's Echo Fighter.
If you watch Imran's reaction to the Sept. 4th Direct from a backup of his livestream that day, he clearly knows about the extra fighters, and then goes onto claim that Nintendo made the decision to do extra Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC around E3 time. What's worth nothing is Paragon heard Waluigi AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY, and he heard that he was "last".
At one point, the Final Fighter's Pass character was going to be the last new Smash character for a LONG time, and most people assume that the next game will be a reboot, making the prospect of new characters slim. Waluigi is obviously not in line with ending on a character like Incineroar or Bayonetta, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a controversial ending to many people, that's pretty hard to deny. In that sense, I think he makes perfect sense as the "ultimate ending, the ultimate troll, the ultimate whateveryouwannasay". I can see at one point that this would be the character that Sakurai would decide to basically end Smash Ultimate on.
And then to end this off, i'd like to conclude on going back to Jon's video posted today, where he went ALL in on Spirits and Assist Trophies not deconfirming anyone for DLC and specifically made points about fighter 5 potentially being someone like Rex and Pyra. Obviously Jon wouldn't flat out say who the character is in a GameXplain video, so this makes me think this is a cover up for a different character. Notice how Jon specifically didn't mention obvious candidates for upgrades like cough Geno or COUGHCOUGH Waluigi. I specifically don't think Rex is DLC 5 (even if he still could be post pass) because of this statement:
Keep in mind, Jon made a similar stance on the Grinch leak, even went as far to bet he would have to sit in a wet puddle for a long time if the Grinch was real. He sounds really confident in this and I doubt he'd go all in on this like he is if he was to be proven wrong and the rest of DLC would just be third party characters with no Assist Trophies/Spirits upgraded.
And with that, I think my stance here is concluded. I COMPLETELY realize that this may end up looking incredibly stupid when Lloyd or some other 3rd party we could have expected ends up being DLC 5, but I think it's still fun to speculate around the information we have now.
Feel free to look at this and laugh, say haha stupid theory this guy knows jack **** about what he's talking about. But like I said, it was still fun to form such a speculative theory that goes a long distance from what type of characters most people predict from FP 5. If you dislike Waluigi, please try not to attack me i'm not saying you have to like him or anything, i'm just forming a theory around him.
TLDR | Waluigi is Fighter 5, Geno very good shot for post pass
Consider this V1.1 of this post since there might be some edits I need to make later.
Jesus Christ, dude/dudette.
I’m pretty sure Fatman has said on numerous occasions that he wouldn’t (and hasn’t as far as I can tell) care in the slightest because he approaches what he hears from the position of ‘speculator who happens to know some insiders’. I’m aware he’s said before that he has nothing personal at stake, but at the same time he’s ‘respecting’ the unique position he’s in by ensuring he doesn’t put things that would push him into actually leaking (and getting upstream sources into trouble as a result).
On this point, that’s the sad reality of rapidly disseminating media nowadays. orz
Not trying to nip your support in the bud, just wanted to advise you to go ahead and reach out to Sigran rather than conversing about personal problems here.
Sabi talked about Lloyd being talked in private circles first but everyone forgot. He talked about it extensively almost a full year before I did. Note the time stamps:
I'm okay for now, thanks. It's a complicated situation with a lot of moving pieces. This thread banded together to get me off suicide watch when it first happened, and it's gotten better. But it still bothers me to see people whining about how hard their situation is because Geno might not get into smash bros and how that explains bad behavior when I'm going through all this.
Maybe it is just me, but in my view, there is no in between. Either you have inside information, or you don’t and are trying to speculate like the rest of us. That is how I view it.
Look, he's basically just stating his opinion based on insider information. He's not saying "it's this character", he's saying "I think it could be this character". Yes he's presenting new information, but he's not making definitive statements on it. He's speculating on it.
