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Damn dude, sorry for supporting Geno first and foremost in the Geno thread. The point I'm making is: how high priority am I expected to believe that Geno is if Lloyd Irving is the only character they planned to step up from a costume, allegedly before E3? I mean, if we were allegedly pretty close to the situation where we get Geno's costume with Hero and knowing Sakurai doesn't give a **** about us anymore, how am I supposed to feel? Don't think that I'm not wiping the sweat from my brow, but if we were this close to just being done forever, yet swordsman #19, whose Mii costume got added to 4 with absolutely none of Geno's fanfare was #5, seriously, how is that supposed to make anyone feel? That isn't fair to every single person who ever requested Geno, and it would 1000% be a kick in the face to us.
"Either you're an astrophysicist or you don't know a goddamned thing about the universe, pal, you can't prove the moon is there."
Incomplete information is a thing, and in fact the very situation we are with the FP5 name deconfirmation conga.
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Also, SMRPG being one of your all-time favorites, along with your love for K. Rool and support of B-K, has my heart singing. I'mma have to hit you up for some game recs or something sometime, because our tastes are aligning like the planets.
A reminder that Geno is owned by Square Enix, who has reputation among Smash fans for being "stingy". It's entirely possible Sakurai really did plan on making Geno into a playable character and part of the Fighters Pass, and went and asked Square Enix (especially since they were a little more generous with Dragon Quest content), only for them to go "no, **** off" and Sakurai reaching for someone like Lloyd as an alternative.
>Makes arguments I've been making for Geno for over a year.
Gamexplain is about to catch those hands
If Square told him to **** off regarding Geno then we might as well pack our bags, because one DLC wave isn't gonna change that.
Nice to have you back comrade
I think anyone with common sense could figure out that a second season of DLC would be almost entirely unplanned by Sakurai and his team without being told by a video or anyone else. Therefore meaning anything can happen.
Thank you, I love this thread
Wow fatman. You could have been making money off this this whole time? You could have just paid SE to put Geno into smash. Smh
So what do you make of a 1st party being Fighter #5? Waluigi seems like a possibility, but you've never discussed him. And Rex seems likely, but same thing as Waluigi. Maybe they make more sense as post pass DLC, so unless they're curveballs (as you've brought up before), do you think Fighter #5 is 3rd party?
If I’m wrong, feel free to refute this.
You're welcome and i love this thread too, it's great how everyone is so kind to each other
Mostly everyone I'd say... if only people wouldn't be so down at times. If things are looking so up for Geno, I'm shocked at some people's attitudes.
I agree completely, it's something I see very rarely on the internet outside of smaller circles than this. It's all good times here mostly.
Yeah that can happen sometimes but maybe it's because they fear he's not gonna make it so they're constantly waiting for the bad news and that's what makes them feel down? not knowing what's next?
Exactly, it's very weird seing threads or groups so friendly but it really is an awesome surprise
, , , , just to name a few. Sakurai AND the devs definitely are knocking it out of the park with the inclusions and of course the game itself.
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Smug and insulting? My guy, there's an inside joke among insiders that characters like Reimu, Tracer, Shantae, 2B, and Kos-Mos are "Weeaboo Waifu Trash Tier" and regular comments made against people that support them. What I've said is downright tame compared to the people I've talked to. If my comments of "don't expect them because we haven't heard any females or indie yet" are "harsh", you'd be crushed to dust if you saw the full, uncensored opinions of some of these guys. Hell, I like Shantae and want her playable in Smash and it gives me no joy in delivering this news. Imagine actually being able to talk to insiders and get full on roasted for bringing up certain characters and then slapped in the face with evidence like a frozen trout that they're probably not coming. Besides, shouldn't that make it all the more satisfying if their intel is wrong?
THIS*CRAZY THEORY MODE ACTIVATE, HUGE POST INCOMING*
Let me introduce you to something I call...
The WAH theory...
Hear me out, i'm gonna say this before Fighter 5 gets leaked and i'm totally wrong...
Fighter 5 might actually be ****ing WALUIGI.
https://twitter.com/NanaKarobi/status/1200208052479315968
*People have told me that this account is a sabi alt or related to him in someway but I can't find anything to confirm that*
*EDIT: Sabi has confirmed this is NOT his alt*
This is the Paragon leak. It came right before E3 and was one of the few leaks to guess LUMINARY over Erdrick. Luminary is key here because we know for a fact that the Dragon Quest character was never going to be just Erdrick alone. Now, it's possible that Erdrick may have been planned to be the default costume at one point, but the fact that Luminary existed from the get-go, the fact that he represents DQ XI over just DQ in general, and the fact that he would be arguably more relevant overseas compared to Erdrick, contributing to a more worldwide appeal, even if mainly aimed towards Japan makes me think he was probably always destined to be the default.
Now obviously the big fly in the soup here is Frisk instead of Terry, but I have talked with Paragon about this and I distinctly remember him saying (even during late E3 season when this leak was a hot topic) that Frisk is more of a general prediction towards Undertale content. And basically, Paragon assumed a fighter due to the music existing because no Mii Fighters had ever come with songs before. AND, his prediction of not Sans did end up true, to be fair. The whole thing is summarized really well here, with Paragon correcting some of my misinterpretations.
Now, Paragon says he agrees with Fatmanonice here in that Waluigi is not Fighter 5. (Fatman himself doesn't comment on Waluigi understandably, because of the prospect of death threats similar to the ones Paragon received, but he has said on Discord before that he believes FP 5 likely isn't a first party character, which is a category that Waluigi undoubtedly falls under)
This is where Imran Khan comes in. If you guys don't know he's basically a resetera dude from GameInformer and has an extremely credible track record. He was one of those "big guys" who went seriously against the Grinch leak. Think of it like this, in terms of where he stands in credibility, call him Shinobi's Echo Fighter.
If you watch Imran's reaction to the Sept. 4th Direct from a backup of his livestream that day, he clearly knows about the extra fighters, and then goes onto claim that Nintendo made the decision to do extra Smash Bros. Ultimate DLC around E3 time. What's worth nothing is Paragon heard Waluigi AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY, and he heard that he was "last".
At one point, the Final Fighter's Pass character was going to be the last new Smash character for a LONG time, and most people assume that the next game will be a reboot, making the prospect of new characters slim. Waluigi is obviously not in line with ending on a character like Incineroar or Bayonetta, but that's not to say he wouldn't be a controversial ending to many people, that's pretty hard to deny. In that sense, I think he makes perfect sense as the "ultimate ending, the ultimate troll, the ultimate whateveryouwannasay". I can see at one point that this would be the character that Sakurai would decide to basically end Smash Ultimate on.
And then to end this off, i'd like to conclude on going back to Jon's video posted today, where he went ALL in on Spirits and Assist Trophies not deconfirming anyone for DLC and specifically made points about fighter 5 potentially being someone like Rex and Pyra. Obviously Jon wouldn't flat out say who the character is in a GameXplain video, so this makes me think this is a cover up for a different character. Notice how Jon specifically didn't mention obvious candidates for upgrades like cough Geno or COUGHCOUGH Waluigi. I specifically don't think Rex is DLC 5 (even if he still could be post pass) because of this statement:
Keep in mind, Jon made a similar stance on the Grinch leak, even went as far to bet he would have to sit in a wet puddle for a long time if the Grinch was real. He sounds really confident in this and I doubt he'd go all in on this like he is if he was to be proven wrong and the rest of DLC would just be third party characters with no Assist Trophies/Spirits upgraded.
And with that, I think my stance here is concluded. I COMPLETELY realize that this may end up looking incredibly stupid when Lloyd or some other 3rd party we could have expected ends up being DLC 5, but I think it's still fun to speculate around the information we have now.
Feel free to look at this and laugh, say haha stupid theory this guy knows jack **** about what he's talking about. But like I said, it was still fun to form such a speculative theory that goes a long distance from what type of characters most people predict from FP 5. If you dislike Waluigi, please try not to attack me i'm not saying you have to like him or anything, i'm just forming a theory around him.
TLDR | Waluigi is Fighter 5, Geno very good shot for post pass
Consider this V1.1 of this post since there might be some edits I need to make later.
Oh, I was referring to the "4chan willing them into existence" thing, which I do consider insulting with the way the community has grown with a character like Reimu with no less than 3 top players hoping for her inclusion and more and more people open to the idea. Saying "Haha, weaboo waifu trash" is just standard roasting and far less insulting than that. It's a lot less smug too.
Wait, the background of the supreme victory meme kinda looks like the skies in Bowser's Keep...
Why are you throwing such a fit over a reality that didn't come to pass and surprised that a business conducted business and didn't commit to more DLC or prioritize Geno? We're not entitled to have Geno prioritized and we'll be lucky to get him at all honestly, so why are you surprised that he wasn't a priority for the first season of DLC? That much should have been obvious ages ago when his Spirit was included in base game. Tales is a pretty big JRPG series that has had consistent support over 20+ years and also specifically has a sizable chunk of people who want to see Lloyd realized in the game and have been fans since Brawl. Lloyd brings a lot to the Smash table whether you want to face that or not, and he is actually straight up fulfilling another fan request in a game that has devoted most of its character decisions to fan choices. And just like the other options this DLC season, he would be added for representing a major new series to bring into Smash. This is like throwing a fit that King K. Rool got in before Geno. His costume didn't get any fanfare either and he was a requested character too, so don't mangle Lloyd specifically so much over this.
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