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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Rohanx17

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Didn't golden sun get something similar but nothing came out of it yet?
Sort of, but I don't think it was generic like they seem to be describing the tales thing. The people over in the Isaac thread can explain it way better but the jist is that it had whatever identifies one as being for a new switch game, which is what has them in a frenzy since camelot still hasnt announced anything new in the works since tennis ended development like a year ago.
 

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I was gonna stay silent on the matter since this is like the 3rd or 4th time I've had to bring it up but joker doesn't represent anything besides p5 in anyway whatsoever. He's is only in p5, his icon is p5, his stage is p5, and every piece of music or collectible sprite added alongside him is from the modern, social link, post p3 era of persona, where it seems as far as atlus is concerned p1,2,if don't exist and the only thing the series shares with its peers now are the monster pool, and I hear 5 comendeered the creature collection of smt proper. As much effort as sakurai has put forth to honor the legacy of the series he works with and to emphasize iconicness over relevancy the fact that sakurai's choice to only include p5-3 content out if all the megaten games he could have asked to get some trinkets for is incredibly damning on both his and atlus' s intentions.
Aria of the Soul is from P1 and is even stated as such in Smash Ultimate. This isn't a knock against your post but I just wanted to point it out. Also recently there was this financial report from Atlus (If memory serves me well) and it seperated SMT and Persona, so it's kind of clear that Persona and SMT are no longer apart of the same series to Atlus (They kind of never were, all that linked them were the demons. Everything else was just references). This doesn't really mean anything when compared to your post, I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share it.

Didn't golden sun get something similar but nothing came out of it yet?
If I remember correctly what happened was that last year they put up that new Golden Sun trademark for renewal and it just now got renewed last month. Ironically enough it got renewed a few days before last month's Golden Sunday.

Sort of, but I don't think it was generic like they seem to be describing the tales thing. The people over in the Isaac thread can explain it way better but the jist is that it had whatever identifies one as being for a new switch game, which is what has them in a frenzy since camelot still hasnt announced anything new in the works since tennis ended development like a year ago.
Yeah the trademark was listed with the same numbering as all new single player Switch games which has made the Golden Sun fans (Including me) go into mad speculation mode as this is a brand new trademark that is separate from the other three Golden Sun trademarks and is listed as a Switch single player game.
 

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nessdeltarune00 nessdeltarune00 dude you really got to chill out on Fatman.

I understand being skeptical and I get that Fatman likes to make crazy theories and says stuff that he later goes back on but he’s not claiming to be a leaker, he’s just trying to help us get a sense of what’s going on in insider circles without making an explicit leak that “x will happen” or “x will bot happen”. Your problem is your assuming him to be a leaker when he’s not. He’s more of a well-informed speculator
How else am I supposed to interpret it?

When he shares every single private name he hears, how is he not acting like every single insider/leaker out there?

Also, there is that Starling pic that he leaked that was supposed to be private, but that is a whole other can of worms.
 

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How else am I supposed to interpret it?

When he shares every single private name he hears, how is he not acting like every single insider/leaker out there?

Also, there is that Starling pic that he leaked that was supposed to be private, but that is a whole other can of worms.
If I wanted to not see every single private name Fatman hears I would simply mute him and continue living my life. I really don't understand being triggered over someone sharing information.
 

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Yes, multiple franchises have gotten specific trademark renewals, and none have really pointed to Smash. Tales in particular just seems odd because, like, yeah, Bandai-Namco would like to continue holding on to Tales and marketing it given it is one of their more successful franchises.
Are we ignoring the fact that there was already a Tales of game announced back at E3? It's not that surprising that the trademark is getting renewed.
 

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I'm gonna straight up say that I hope the SE character isn't Lara Croft or 2B because I don't see SE getting more than 1 character in whatever second wave of DLC is coming next and I just want Geno in. Geno just also feels like he has more potential as an interesting and unique fighter.



Nightmare is a really cool character. Very classic fall and redemption character, great design, and having a swordie have inputs like the shotos and Terry would be really fun. Also more villains is always nice. I'd most prefer him out of the three mentioned because I actually have a connection to Soul Edge/Soul Calibur. But at this point Lloyd seems more likely. The silver lining to Lloyd getting in would be a proof that more mii costume characters are getting upgraded to playable in SSBU.
Lara Croft is barely being discussed, if at all.
2B is a possibility but not as talked as Geno or Sephiroth.
And let's be real. This makes sense with the leaked memo. Only these two chars were there, and those two were picks that were supposedly being considered. I can't see any other SE char in the running. And no, Chrono isn't a thing. SE has no interest, considering the series is absolutely dead.
 
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hey Fatmanonice Fatmanonice im just wondering do you think the 4chan cat leak that had kos-mos is 5 is fake and have they heard anything about her? Because I came from an argument about someone saying it’s totally 100% real.
Not great... I know you're a big Shantae fan (I am too) but Shantae kind of gets steamrolled. Not only haven't we heard her but we haven't heard any Indie characters, we've heard very few Western characters, and we've technically only have heard one female character and it's less of a name and more of people agree that Nintendo's probably going to try to have a least one before DLC is over.
Oh. I mean it’s possible she could have been selected and you guys haven’t heard anything about her. I think:(
 

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How else am I supposed to interpret it?

When he shares every single private name he hears, how is he not acting like every single insider/leaker out there?

Also, there is that Starling pic that he leaked that was supposed to be private, but that is a whole other can of worms.
I just told you how you should interpret it. Think of him as a well-informed speculator, not a leaker.

When it comes to the starling, I will admit I pinned it on Fatman and said something along the lines of “Fatman might know Geno is in guys and he just can’t say it!!!” I now know that this isn’t really how leaks work. At this point, Geno is just a name, a one out of ten name when the others we’ve heard are Lloyd, Sol, Nightmare, Crash, Ryu, Sephiroth, etc.

You can’t expect these guys to just know which one of these names is going to be a character. They’re just names.
 

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If I wanted to not see every single private name Fatman hears I would simply mute him and continue living my life. I really don't understand being triggered over someone sharing information.
Its not just about “sharing information”.

Bottom line is that he claims to be just speculating, but ends up sharing potential insider info from the inner circles. (Like the Starling pic, for example)

And since that is the case, I view him as a leaker/insider. Problem is, if that really is the case, I can’t think of any single character that he leaked entirely on his own.

Also, I feel like I’m doing the same song and dance all over again. I remember literally last year, he was claiming he heard Lloyd, and he was making arguments on why Erdrick most likely wouldn’t make it in. Which begs the question, if he potentially heard who FP5 was last year, why wasn’t it literally every other character that has made it in so far?

But you’re right, maybe I should stop viewing this thread after this post.
 

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Are we ignoring the fact that there was already a Tales of game announced back at E3? It's not that surprising that the trademark is getting renewed.
It's not a renewed trademark. They trademarked a new logo for the series that looks perfect for smash and isn't being used for the new tales game.
 

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hey Fatmanonice Fatmanonice im just wondering do you think the 4chan cat leak that had kos-mos is 5 is fake and have they heard anything about her? Because I came from an argument about someone saying it’s totally 100% real.

Oh. I mean it’s possible she could have been selected and you guys haven’t heard anything about her. I think:(
I think it should be clear by now that the cat leak is most likely fake.

Only slim hope is for the person to be the same from before E3. And given that he did not list any codenames like the original poster, its very likely he isn’t.
 

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I may have never played soul calibur, but Nightmare looks awesome, he is awesome, he looks like an OC villain I made once, and his theme is awesome.
Seriously look it up it’s godlike
 

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Honestly I’m starting to think its gonna be Nightmare since Reggie said everything will be new to smash. Idk anything about soul calibur or the character but he looks really cool. Lloyd’s probably still coming in these “smash 4 upgrades” alongside Geno
 

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So, I was thinking of a character that could surprise all of us for future dlc...
What about Bomberman? I mean, by future dlc, we could probably be seeing promotions in our future, It’s not technically difficult since all Assists already have ON/OFF switches built into them for specific stages, and Bomberman is an icon, classic, and was once highly requested for smash.
Idk I think it’d be cool
 

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Aria of the Soul is from P1 and is even stated as such in Smash Ultimate. This isn't a knock against your post but I just wanted to point it out. Also recently there was this financial report from Atlus (If memory serves me well) and it seperated SMT and Persona, so it's kind of clear that Persona and SMT are no longer apart of the same series to Atlus (They kind of never were, all that linked them were the demons. Everything else was just references). This doesn't really mean anything when compared to your post, I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share it.
I was aware of this when I posted so I'll elaborate, aria of the soul was in p1 but has been in every single persona game since so calling it a p1 song feels like calling the Zelda overture a zelda 1 song or ground theme a smb 1 song when it's clear it's grown far beyond that. The version that was in smash was an original remix I believe so it's not like it was tied to any particular rendition atlus has used throughout the years so since it had to be attributed to somthing in the interface it would be criminal to say it belonged to anything but p1.

Also massively hyped to see what we might see out of camelot coming up. I just hope whatever it is we can make it a success so we don't end up blowing this second chance we might get to have a proper revival and golden boy added to the roster.
 
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>the two most likely square reps are geno and sephiroth

Artists get on it. I want to see a battle between these two.
 

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I am truly thankful for joining this forum back a year ago. It has been filled with laughs, anger, tears, suspense and joy. Being a part of this group has really made me a better person (believe it or not). The best thing about here is how wonderful you people are.

Thank you for being awesome and making my day every single day. Happy Thanksgiving and stuff yourself til you burst!
 
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I was just thinking of Dovahkiin. Bethesda said that they did talk to Nintendo about Smash before and while that is in no way confirming that they are getting a character, it does make me think with Sabi's source deconfirming Doom Slayer for FP5. They have a very good relationship and the Elder Scrolls is an iconic series that helped popularize the idea of an open world action RPG. Skyrim in particular is very popular and with the light amount of research I did, it did quite well in Japan. I think people have been sleeping on Dragonborn's chances because a lot of people were sure that Doom Slayer was getting in. Thinking about it, I could honestly see Dragonborn as a left field pick and is certainly big enough to get an announcement at the Game Awards.
 

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So, I was thinking of a character that could surprise all of us for future dlc...
What about Bomberman? I mean, by future dlc, we could probably be seeing promotions in our future, It’s not technically difficult since all Assists already have ON/OFF switches built into them for specific stages, and Bomberman is an icon, classic, and was once highly requested for smash.
Idk I think it’d be cool
This is actually something I’ve been thinking about for awhile. My first post on the website was actually a theory about an assist pass, starting with Bomberman. It revolved around this picture in the challenges
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There’s almost certainly no weight to this, but the picture is very interesting to me. I interpreted it as “a goddess brings life to assist trophies. There will be a whole pass full of the promotions, starting with Bomberman.”
I never found out if this was some reference to Bomberman. Spatulo Spatulo if you dont mind me asking, is this a reference to the series? Thanks
 

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looked up the nightmare theme at planks suggestion and holy ****ing ****, ive got to say this is one of the finest pieces of music ive heard when it comes to gaming. badass and epic

i remember playing sc2 as a kid but i was too young to appreciate this theme. it would b cool if they included this with lloyd along with other nice bamco songs the way they did snk with terry. remember when sc2 had link and heihachi as guest characters? its funny to think that all these years later we hear rumors and speculation as to now nightmare and heihachi being in smash. #soulcaliburdiditfirst

that said, happy thanksgiving yall. feel free to devour your meals in dramatic fashion to the above theme, not that i did or anything
 

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>the two most likely square reps are geno and sephiroth

Artists get on it. I want to see a battle between these two.
I’m reminded of the time of early Kingdom Hearts 3 information before we knew all the Final Fantasy characters were cut when we got this beautiful gem:

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The two most likely square reps are Geno and Sphiroth and it's close to the game awards? I guess history really repeats itself here as this is pretty much the exact same scenario we were in leading up to the 2018 video game awards just slightly better for Geno.
 

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The two most likely square reps are Geno and Sphiroth and it's close to the game awards? I guess history really repeats itself here as this is pretty much the exact same scenario we were in leading up to the 2018 video game awards just slightly better for Geno.
That means fighter #5 is Joker 2!!!
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This is actually something I’ve been thinking about for awhile. My first post on the website was actually a theory about an assist pass, starting with Bomberman. It revolved around this picture in the challenges
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There’s almost certainly no weight to this, but the picture is very interesting to me. I interpreted it as “a goddess brings life to assist trophies. There will be a whole pass full of the promotions, starting with Bomberman.”
I never found out if this was some reference to Bomberman. Spatulo Spatulo if you dont mind me asking, is this a reference to the series? Thanks
I will admit I don’t know absolutely everything about the series (there are a LOT of Bomberman games and not all of them came stateside) but I can’t think of anything that picture would be referencing
 

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You might need to expand your gaming horizons a bit if the only character you want out of those is Geno. All of those are heavy hitters across multiple genres and generations of gaming.
It is possible to play a game, enjoy it, like the characters and still not desire any Smash representation.

For example, I love me some Final Fantasy, Soul Calibur is amazing and DMC3 is one of my absolute favorite PS2 games.

However: I don't think we need any more FF characters than Cloud but if we absolutely had to have another, there's at least 5 others I'd prefer over Sephiroth. As for SC and DMC, they're just too realistic/serious for my personal view of Smash.

I'm sure it's just my age and attachment to Smash's origin, but I much prefer fun and whimsical to serious and deadly.

I just really struggle with going from this
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To this:
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All that being said, it wouldn't be the end of the world if any of these were added. I simply don't find myself looking forward to their possible inclusion.
 
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Going to be gone for a bit. You guys enjoy the game awards and hopefully news of character #5 comes with it.

Be safe and happy holidays and such.
 

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So, I was thinking of a character that could surprise all of us for future dlc...
What about Bomberman? I mean, by future dlc, we could probably be seeing promotions in our future, It’s not technically difficult since all Assists already have ON/OFF switches built into them for specific stages, and Bomberman is an icon, classic, and was once highly requested for smash.
Idk I think it’d be cool
That would imply that Sakurai knew that the Assist Trophy role wouldn't have been suffice. For Sakurai he thought that the Assist Trophy role would satisfy the fans just as much as being playable (which he was dead wrong about) so he won't upgrade an Assist Trophy & Mii Costume and instead focus on bringing in new characters.
 

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Sephiroth has a damn fine chance in my eyes (and while I'd mourn Geno, I'd be very happy for his fans and FF7 fans in general, they were really ripped off with the lackluster content with Cloud), although I wonder how his inclusion as paid DLC would go over with the FF fans, especially if all he gets are spirits and music tracks. Would he be as expensive as a FP? As expensive as Plant? Wouldn't a sizable chunk of fans be upset that they couldn't just give us more music with Cloud, or otherwise patching in that music and those spirits for free? I mean, if I were them, I wouldn't mind in the slightest, because hey, more content! Even if I have to give more money for it, that's still awesome! I could still see a smaaaaall amount of backlash with it, though, especially if the music is all just MIDIs from FF7 with no remixes... or heck, just another song or two with nothing else to give.
 
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