Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Spumoni or pumpkin with crushed gingersnaps. Big fan of gelato too, especially blackberry.

Yes I'm late, but I really wanted to know this one

 

[ForsakenM]

I can't, in good conscience, consider Joker a part of the problem of guys who run up and hit things with a sword. He's very much a rogue and that's fine. Same for Hero. Lloyd just feels so much like he's just gonna be two swords Marth.

So, this has irked me to the last degree, enough to do the research that no one else is to put the kibosh on this.

First off, I see you moving the goal posts: Robin is a swordfighter, done and done. You can argue all day, but 75% of the character's moveset utilizes the sword with the rest being magic. If you want to name a character who doesn't feel like a swordswielder but is, Corrin is your best bet because, as much as people hate them they are the most unique swordwielder in the game next to Shulk with his stat Augments and Hero who just has enough specials to even out how often they use their sword with how often they do something else, especially with how good those spells can be.

So sorry friend, but I'm calling out you moving the goalpost for Robin.

Now, to offer a defense for Lloyd Irving who keeps getting booty-blasted by people who know nothing about him. Let me start this by saying I still have not touched the game and I looked up a SINGLE YOUTUBE VIDEO by typing in "tales of symphonia lloyd moves". What I'm saying is, I have done very minimal effort that any of y'all could have done, but you haven't and still say he's generic or question what he could do better or more unique.

Before I display any evidence, I shall bring myself to the stand to explain how very easily someone dual-wielding swords change how they would play from someone who wields a single sword.

Smash has really only dabbled in a few different things when it comes to swordsmen and women. They have played with different styles through different abilities (Robin uses magic, Corrin has shape-shifting attacks, Shulk alters his stats, Hero has ever-expanded magic) but in terms of style for JUST the swordwielding itself, they haven't really strayed from two: wielding one one-handed sword and wielding one two-handed sword. Look at the majority of the swordwielders in Smash, and you will see that barring Ike and now Ganondorf, they all wield a single sword in a one-handed style. Some have shields and magic tomes and whatnot, but it is still a one-handed style. Some play more passive and balanced (Marth being more about placing himself within the right range to punish accordingly while Roy gets in your face, and Lucina and Chrom find middle ground in-between this) but it is still a one-handed style.

The other two, Ike and Ganondorf, take the more 'Mighty Swing' approach where they hit hard but slow because using a big sword would work similar to that. Big and slow but hitting hard, and Sakurai really hasn't moved much past these styles.

Insert ya boi Lloyd, who offers a BRAND NEW STYLE of sword combat: wielding TWO swords. Dualwielding, by nature, is a very difficult thing that tends to be very much offensive and lacking a true defense, and Lloyd CLEARLY has an offensive style. Thus, he could get big damage through a flurry of blows rather than big slow swings and while being an all-in-to-risk-the-biscuit style of character. He would be very committed to his actions and would have a lot of multi-hitting moves but could rack up damage and you would have to make sure to dodge and punish more completely and wait for his multi-hit actions to finish in their entirety or punish him in a way that is guaranteed to be safe. Some of the Mii Swordfighter moves like Airborne Assault, Skyward Slash and Blurring Blade give an bit of an idea on how this would work. He would also have a projectile that could be a double or even triple projectile (Demon Fang, Double Demon Fang, Demonic Chaos) and this would give him further uniqueness as it's a ground-based projectile like Power Wave but being able to fire multiple ones can catch enemies off-guard but could also leave him in a bad position as they would be easier to avoid.

Now, for Exhibit A:

Spoiler: Exhibit A

The first thing you may notice is that Mii Swordfighter has a number of special moves that really seem like they were perhaps inspired to make you feel like you were playing as Lloyd. I mean, slap his Mii Costume on a Swordfighter with an okay-looking brown-eyed face and set the specials to 3-1-2-3 and you basically have Lloyd, right? Well, not quite...

Not only does Mii Swordfighter not properly represent a dualwielding style, but if you watch to the end of this you may notice something. Seemingly, Lloyd can mix and matches his special moves in some ways, thereby kind of making new moves by fusing old ones. What if Lloyd's big mechanic was that he can directly cancel any B move into yet another B move, but was limited to only doing that once per application? For example, what if he used his Demon Fang projectile but canceled it into his Down-B and then used a thrust move, thus using Demonic Thrust? Or, what if he could use Sword Rain off the ledge and then immediately cancel it into his Up-B to edge-guard while also having very little lag (if any) between that and his recovery? What if you could use Demon Fang immediately after Sword Rain to push them just a bit farther away on block so they couldn't punish you? Do you guys see the possibilities here?

Yeah, gonna need that 'generic anime swordsman' stuff to stop. A minor amount of research and thought just proved it all wrong.

 

[Forthestarcapelad]

Yeah I totally understand the visual aspect of it, that’s more what I was trying to address with the first part. Main characters tend to have swords, which is why even though there exist characters in Fire Emblem and other series with lots of different unique weapons, the ones who get in use swords.

Fantasy games in general. The master sword, the buster sword, the monado, liquid metal sword (Dragon quest 11), Dragovian king sword (DQ8), Zenithian sword (DQ4), etc.
Heck, if you wanted to count them, Pit uses swords in uprising, and palutena's bow splits into blades and Kirby uses a sword with at least a couple powerups (with sword kirby often being pushed as one of his most well known ones). Even Mario was conceived as using a sword in Mario RPG (the idea was rejected of course but that's beside the point).
The main point is that, yeah. swords are hugely tied with the genre of fantasy and fictional settings. Rarely is it a legendary axe or lance (with a couple exceptions, like in Fire emblem, ironically). It's extremely likely that, even characters people want, are going to have a sword (Lloyd, Rex, and even master chief to some extent).
I understand wanting variety, I do. But at the same time, popular characters, and characters that represent a series, do, in fact, use da sward, which is why I don't join that... well, I don't want to call it a band wagon, but let's just say that I like anime sword boys, and really don't mind the inclusion of more since a lot of the most iconic game characters, though not all, are swordsmen. (then again, I'm also the one guy who was hyped for hero. lol)

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Yeah, gonna need that 'generic anime swordsman' stuff to stop. A minor amount of research and thought just proved it all wrong.

BuT hE uSeD a SwOrD fOr LiKe FoUr MoVeS

 

[OffBi]

If I had a choice between Lloyd and nightmare, I would without second thought choose nightmare

 

[Convoy]

EVERYONE IS DECONFIRMED

 

[ForsakenM]

If I had a choice between Lloyd and nightmare, I would without second thought choose nightmare

You were also the one fully backing Gordon despite him not having a hoot in hell of a chance.

That said, what is your reason for such a choice?

 

[OffBi]

You were also the one fully backing Gordon despite him not having a hoot in hell of a chance.

That said, what is your reason for such a choice?

I played half life 2 as a kid, so when the 5th character wasn't yet decided on who was going to be, I thought it was Gordon Freeman.
On your second question, nightmare has a cooler design and looks like a badass

 

[Droodle]

So, this has irked me to the last degree, enough to do the research that no one else is to put the kibosh on this.

First off, I see you moving the goal posts: Robin is a swordfighter, done and done. You can argue all day, but 75% of the character's moveset utilizes the sword with the rest being magic. If you want to name a character who doesn't feel like a swordswielder but is, Corrin is your best bet because, as much as people hate them they are the most unique swordwielder in the game next to Shulk with his stat Augments and Hero who just has enough specials to even out how often they use their sword with how often they do something else, especially with how good those spells can be.

So sorry friend, but I'm calling out you moving the goalpost for Robin.

Now, to offer a defense for Lloyd Irving who keeps getting booty-blasted by people who know nothing about him. Let me start this by saying I still have not touched the game and I looked up a SINGLE YOUTUBE VIDEO by typing in "tales of symphonia lloyd moves". What I'm saying is, I have done very minimal effort that any of y'all could have done, but you haven't and still say he's generic or question what he could do better or more unique.

Before I display any evidence, I shall bring myself to the stand to explain how very easily someone dual-wielding swords change how they would play from someone who wields a single sword.

Smash has really only dabbled in a few different things when it comes to swordsmen and women. They have played with different styles through different abilities (Robin uses magic, Corrin has shape-shifting attacks, Shulk alters his stats, Hero has ever-expanded magic) but in terms of style for JUST the swordwielding itself, they haven't really strayed from two: wielding one one-handed sword and wielding one two-handed sword. Look at the majority of the swordwielders in Smash, and you will see that barring Ike and now Ganondorf, they all wield a single sword in a one-handed style. Some have shields and magic tomes and whatnot, but it is still a one-handed style. Some play more passive and balanced (Marth being more about placing himself within the right range to punish accordingly while Roy gets in your face, and Lucina and Chrom find middle ground in-between this) but it is still a one-handed style.

The other two, Ike and Ganondorf, take the more 'Mighty Swing' approach where they hit hard but slow because using a big sword would work similar to that. Big and slow but hitting hard, and Sakurai really hasn't moved much past these styles.

Insert ya boi Lloyd, who offers a BRAND NEW STYLE of sword combat: wielding TWO swords. Dualwielding, by nature, is a very difficult thing that tends to be very much offensive and lacking a true defense, and Lloyd CLEARLY has an offensive style. Thus, he could get big damage through a flurry of blows rather than big slow swings and while being an all-in-to-risk-the-biscuit style of character. He would be very committed to his actions and would have a lot of multi-hitting moves but could rack up damage and you would have to make sure to dodge and punish more completely and wait for his multi-hit actions to finish in their entirety or punish him in a way that is guaranteed to be safe. Some of the Mii Swordfighter moves like Airborne Assault, Skyward Slash and Blurring Blade give an bit of an idea on how this would work. He would also have a projectile that could be a double or even triple projectile (Demon Fang, Double Demon Fang, Demonic Chaos) and this would give him further uniqueness as it's a ground-based projectile like Power Wave but being able to fire multiple ones can catch enemies off-guard but could also leave him in a bad position as they would be easier to avoid.

Now, for Exhibit A:

Spoiler: Exhibit A

The first thing you may notice is that Mii Swordfighter has a number of special moves that really seem like they were perhaps inspired to make you feel like you were playing as Lloyd. I mean, slap his Mii Costume on a Swordfighter with an okay-looking brown-eyed face and set the specials to 3-1-2-3 and you basically have Lloyd, right? Well, not quite...

Not only does Mii Swordfighter not properly represent a dualwielding style, but if you watch to the end of this you may notice something. Seemingly, Lloyd can mix and matches his special moves in some ways, thereby kind of making new moves by fusing old ones. What if Lloyd's big mechanic was that he can directly cancel any B move into yet another B move, but was limited to only doing that once per application? For example, what if he used his Demon Fang projectile but canceled it into his Down-B and then used a thrust move, thus using Demonic Thrust? Or, what if he could use Sword Rain off the ledge and then immediately cancel it into his Up-B to edge-guard while also having very little lag (if any) between that and his recovery? What if you could use Demon Fang immediately after Sword Rain to push them just a bit farther away on block so they couldn't punish you? Do you guys see the possibilities here?

Yeah, gonna need that 'generic anime swordsman' stuff to stop. A minor amount of research and thought just proved it all wrong.

Lloyd really doesn't use both of his swords for most of his attacks in ToS though.

That said, the people who argue that Lloyd wouldn't offer a new playstyle compared to every other swordfighter in Smash are just dumb.

You have:
-Overlimit (Although ToS isn't as fleshed as ToV)
- Comboing/Chaining specials into one another.
-And if we go really obscure; Lloyd could reverse staling as specials get stronger in Tales games the more you use them.

Overlimit itself would make Lloyd feel like a completely unique swordfighter, and then you add in all the artes you can use; on top of that they could change artes during comboes etc.

Yeah, Lloyd would definitely be a unique swordfighter even without tapping into the dual wielding niche (which Lloyd really doesn't).

 

[MissingGlitch]

I still think Lloyd is going to be a tough sell for me. I just have 0 interest in his character or playstyle.

 

[Inawordyes]

Has Sabi said anywhere why they decided to open up the floodgates and out Lloyd/Sol/Nightmare/Dante as being talked about in insider circles?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Hey Fatmanonice , is there any possibility that Lloyd could be a Steve-type leakbait and Nightmare is the real character? Only ask because Steve was rumored and pushed around for months, even before release, whereas Banjo wasn’t talked about until April and had only a short amount of time to circulate amongst the insiders before his reveal. And you’ve said that Lloyd has also been rumored and pushed around for months, whereas Nightmare wasn’t talked about until relatively recently, and would also have a short amount of time to circulate amongst the insiders before his reveal.

I know you said you have a lot of evidence to suggest that Lloyd is coming at some point, but does Nightmare even have a chance here? Or even a third Namco character that they’re both leakbait for?

Three points:

1. The evidence both public and private for Lloyd is pretty staggering. Of the 10 characters we've heard and actually take seriously, he has the most positive evidence and has been part of the conversation for over a year.

2. Lloyd's never really been pushed like Steve. The misinformation campaign for Steve was very aggressive, with people even claiming Microsoft made fake screenshots and videos to trick people in hard backing Steve. Information about Lloyd has been gradual and consistent. If Lloyd is someone gently putting grapes in your hand one grape at a time, Steve was smashing a watermelon over your head.

3. Nightmare is very new. For Namco, it was pretty much always between Tales or Tekken with Sakurai personally commenting on both series. Tekken, however, has had a number of complications both public and private, one of the most notorious being Sakurai mentioning that implementing Tekken characters into Smash would be incredibly difficult. With Heihachi not being heard in insider conversations, it was largely assumed that Lloyd has simply "won out."

I almost see Nightmare as "forced" competition and a personal theory of mine is that it's a Sans/Paragon situation and he's coming as a new Mii costume. Despite my thoughts, I don't totally rule out that he's potentially playable either, after all, Soul Caliber is still one of Namco's longest running and iconic series so a SC rep wouldn't be that unusual in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Deleted member]

So, this has irked me to the last degree, enough to do the research that no one else is to put the kibosh on this.

First off, I see you moving the goal posts: Robin is a swordfighter, done and done. You can argue all day, but 75% of the character's moveset utilizes the sword with the rest being magic. If you want to name a character who doesn't feel like a swordswielder but is, Corrin is your best bet because, as much as people hate them they are the most unique swordwielder in the game next to Shulk with his stat Augments and Hero who just has enough specials to even out how often they use their sword with how often they do something else, especially with how good those spells can be.

So sorry friend, but I'm calling out you moving the goalpost for Robin.

Now, to offer a defense for Lloyd Irving who keeps getting booty-blasted by people who know nothing about him. Let me start this by saying I still have not touched the game and I looked up a SINGLE YOUTUBE VIDEO by typing in "tales of symphonia lloyd moves". What I'm saying is, I have done very minimal effort that any of y'all could have done, but you haven't and still say he's generic or question what he could do better or more unique.

I hardly see how I'm moving the goalpost to admit what most people won't: Robin is a great example of how Fire Emblem should have been treated in Smash since Brawl and is not a generic swordsman i.e. he is not "Magic Marth". I won't argue against Corrin not being a swordsman since technically she uses extendo-fingers as a lance, and this is one of the reasons I haven't dragged Corrin into the argument, but Robin is equally not a swordsman in the traditional sense that Marth(s) is. His entire special kit save for a command grab is a projectile, including his recovery. If having a sword just makes you a swordsman automatically then we might as well go ahead and write off Hero and Joker and even the damn Belmonts because the up B is definitely a dagger .

Insert ya boi Lloyd, who offers a BRAND NEW STYLE of sword combat: wielding TWO swords. Dualwielding, by nature, is a very difficult thing that tends to be very much offensive and lacking a true defense, and Lloyd CLEARLY has an offensive style.

I feel like you may not have paid attention to the video you yourself linked. Surprisingly counter to what video games usually show, look at Lloyd's stance when he isn't attacking. He approaches with one sword in front of him - that's defensive. He intends to parry an attack thrown at him using the sword. It's kind of pointless to argue realism or historical accuracy, but if you want to learn about it, do that "minimal research" on dual wielding. Of course, he does still end up doing "jedi flips and ****", something I griped about in this thread a few weeks ago when mulling how dual wielding affects a swordsman, and here's the reason I bring up the realism:

Marth(s) should not be as fast as he is. Swords are heavy and have a center of mass that means while you can perform the moves Marth(s) performs, you're going to have quite a bit of downtime when you want to switch up the method of attack. As it stands, though, Marth(s) can throw out attacks almost as if he has two swords, in the traditional anime/media sense that you can just keep swinging. Think about nair and dancing blade and jab. This idea of some kind of rapid onslaught of sword is already done, and the only thing Lloyd would bring to the table is a reason for why he can do it. If Marth(s) were a bit slower, and actually had some endlag to balance out the disjoint, (honestly I might as well be complaining about Lucina here), I would see a place for Lloyd, but as it stands, it's like... why? Do we really need Marth but with blade beam?

Seemingly, Lloyd can mix and matches his special moves in some ways, thereby kind of making new moves by fusing old ones. What if Lloyd's big mechanic was that he can directly cancel any B move into yet another B move, but was limited to only doing that once per application? For example, what if he used his Demon Fang projectile but canceled it into his Down-B and then used a thrust move, thus using Demonic Thrust? Or, what if he could use Sword Rain off the ledge and then immediately cancel it into his Up-B to edge-guard while also having very little lag (if any) between that and his recovery? What if you could use Demon Fang immediately after Sword Rain to push them just a bit farther away on block so they couldn't punish you? Do you guys see the possibilities here?

... Bayonetta, but with a sword? Red guys with swords seem to fit that description all of a sudden. Smash really doesn't need another swordsman that can do whatever to your shield and not get punished for it, I feel like we've met the quota on that. Shield's looking like less and less of a viable option every day as is.

I don't want to discourage you from trying, if arguing is your thing, but chances are pretty high you just aren't going to make me gung-ho for Lloyd. In 2007, yeah, I'd be hyped, but I'm not feeling it anymore.

 

[Vector Victor]

Sakurai decides not to have Mai make any appearance due to her design. Then for a Namco rep, he adds Ivy.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Heheh, I bet Microsoft got Steve fans in the company excited, only to crush them (or partly crush them if they were also Banjo fans like me), if people’s claims were true.

frickin open your eyes, Microsoft, we need both characterssss...maybe he still has a chance since the leakbait came from before season 2 was decided...heheheheh...but at least he was considered good enough to be used as leakbait, so take that, haters, bahahahahahahahaha-

 

[Organization XIII]

Really all this arguing about Llyod being generic is dumb. We can argue all day about genericness but when the idea "he runs up and hits with a sword" is the argument then that's true because everything boiled down to it's most basic element is generic. That's why everyone who doesn't use a sword just "runs up and hits with a fist or leg" or "stays put and shoots random crap". Everyone is generic according to Smash logic. No one is unique everyone is Marth. That's why it no longer Smash Brothers, but rather Marth Extended Family.

 

[wynn728]

So let me get this straight, for what was potentially going to be the last set of DLC Sakurai chose three JRPG characters to be part of the five DLC Fighters Pass... talk about variety.

 

[Sour Supreme]

So let me get this straight, for what was potentially going to be the last set of DLC Sakurai chose three JRPG characters to be part of the five DLC Fighters Pass... talk about variety.

Just because characters hail from the same genre doesn't mean they aren't distinct characters.

 

[ZelDan]

I would have loved Lloyd being brought into Smash back in the Brawl days. Sometime before Smash 4 I just lost interest in the Tales series. last games I played were vesperia on the 360, which was good but didn't really impress me more than previous games, and Symphonia 2 which I really didn't like. The first Symphonia game itself is a game I haven't played in a really long time and don't know if I'd like it as much now as I did back in the day.

So yeah, nowadays Lloyd is just a "meh/indifferent" character to me now.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Just because characters hail from the same genre doesn't mean they aren't distinct characters.

I think it's more, there are so many genres of games that are underrepresented or outright not represented at all, it would be a shame if the fighter pass was catered to mostly one genre.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't even care about "genericness" or "all Swordies play the same" or whatnot cause let's face it I and I'm sure a lot of people thought the same about Hero and you know what happened? I'd argue he has the most unique and distinct moveset out of the DLC so far and he's a swordie.

We can perhaps educate and theorize on their movesets but until Sakurai shows off the character we won't know how distinct a character could be swordie or not. I really don't care about this argument anymore I personally think it died with Hero.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Lloyd is “generic anime swordsman” you cannot change my mind on that. Its about time folks see the truth.

 

[NintendoKnight]

Really all this arguing about Llyod being generic is dumb. We can argue all day about genericness but when the idea "he runs up and hits with a sword" is the argument then that's true because everything boiled down to it's most basic element is generic. That's why everyone who doesn't use a sword just "runs up and hits with a fist or leg" or "stays put and shoots random crap". Everyone is generic according to Smash logic. No one is unique everyone is Marth. That's why it no longer Smash Brothers, but rather Marth Extended Family.

That moment when Link is the first sword character, the only one in 64 mind you, and doesn't even get counted as a swordsman.

 

[Nicnac]

So let me get this straight, for what was potentially going to be the last set of DLC Sakurai chose three JRPG characters to be part of the five DLC Fighters Pass... talk about variety.

I'm gonna ask you a question, and I really hope it doesn't come off as passive-agressive because it isn't intended to. That said, why are you here on the Geno support thread, my guy? You've stated you don't think he's coming, actively moan about Plant whenever the opportunity presents itself, and never pass up the chance to make a snide comment on anything- disconfirmations, fake leaks, leaker statements, anything at all. It seems to me that you're just here to actively bring down morale, and I don't understand why.

 

[Sigran101]

Really all this arguing about Llyod being generic is dumb. We can argue all day about genericness but when the idea "he runs up and hits with a sword" is the argument then that's true because everything boiled down to it's most basic element is generic. That's why everyone who doesn't use a sword just "runs up and hits with a fist or leg" or "stays put and shoots random crap". Everyone is generic according to Smash logic. No one is unique everyone is Marth. That's why it no longer Smash Brothers, but rather Marth Extended Family.

This. Please listen to this person. Just because someone has a sword doesn't make them the same as every other sword wielder. And if asthetic variety is the issue then why aren't we complaining about characters who use their bare hands? There's way more of those than swordsmen.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

It doesn’t matter what weapons Lloyd. Visually he looks like every other fire emblem character.

 

[Sigran101]

"We need more than just rpg characters. There are other genres that need representation."

5 seconds later

"I really hope they add Geno"

Do you see the problem?

 

[Spatulo]

Fellow Genobros, if you’re in need of something to kill time before Sabi kills Lloyd and want to do something other than argue about swordsmen, Broforce is $3.75 on the Switch eShop right now and it’s fantastic. It’s a 2D action platformer full of guns and full of bros (no Geno though, all the bros are action movie characters with “bro” in their name such as Brobocop and the Brominator). And if you’re sensitive to the subject, there’re only a few swordsmen in the game!

 

[MissingGlitch]

It doesn’t matter what weapons Lloyd. Visually he looks like every other fire emblem character.

You're just baiting at this point lmao

 

[Organization XIII]

It doesn’t matter what weapons Lloyd. Visually he looks like every other fire emblem character.

I suppose he does, just like Link Hero and Cloud also look like FE characters. Maybe the lack of visual distinctness only is there because of a lack of familiarity with the subject matter? But no I guess that can't be it has to be genericness.

 

[MissingGlitch]

"We need more than just rpg characters. There are other genres that need representation."

5 seconds later

"I really hope they add Geno"

Do you see the problem?

I've just been speaking more in tune with the bundled fighter pass. Most of us already accepted that Geno would be in a 2nd wave after hero and banjo. Yes I would still be happy with Geno in the fighter pass. But I can still point out how the pass was catered towards JRPG fans if a majority of the pass was comprised of JRPG characters.

They were expecting for a wide range of fans to pre-order the pass. But the JRPG fans would be the one walking away with the most bang for their buck. It could make fans of other types of games feel left out.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

You're just baiting at this point lmao

Lmao people out here really think Lloyd does not look like your typical anime-esque protagonist with a sword no less. Then again I cant expect much from character threads as your dealing with the most passionate people. Oh well.

 

[NintendoKnight]

It doesn’t matter what weapons Lloyd. Visually he looks like every other fire emblem character.

Look, I'm not a big fan of Lloyd (he's neutral for me, but I'd be happy to see him finally get a spot. I've known of his support for years) but I've got to a HARD disagree for that last bit of your statement there.

You're saying that this:

Looks identical to this:

Yeah, I'm afraid not.

Also your post makes the assumption that all FE characters look the same. They don't. They do thematically, for the most part, but each character is visually distinct from each other unless there's a specified reason for resemblance (a primary example is bloodline familiarity. Lucina and Chrom are Marth's descendants, hence they somewhat resemble him.)

 

[Deleted member]

So let me get this straight, for what was potentially going to be the last set of DLC Sakurai chose three JRPG characters to be part of the five DLC Fighters Pass... talk about variety.

I do now and always have valued Fatman's informed opinion, but unless someone outright confirms Lloyd is Fighter 5, I wouldn't put any stock in him as Fighter 5. As part of the pass, there's a lot working against him.

"We need more than just rpg characters. There are other genres that need representation."

5 seconds later

"I really hope they add Geno"

Do you see the problem?

I do see the problem! Geno, who is older than Lloyd and has been requested for Smash longer than Lloyd has been a character, still isn't in, yet we're debating the possibility of Lloyd getting into the game before Geno maybe ever does.

Huge problem!

 

[Sigran101]

I've just been speaking more in tune with the bundled fighter pass. Most of us already accepted that Geno would be in a 2nd wave after hero and banjo. Yes I would still be happy with Geno in the fighter pass. But I can still point out how the pass was catered towards JRPG fans if a majority of the pass was comprised of JRPG characters.

They were expecting for a wide range of fans to pre-order the pass. But the JRPG fans would be the one walking away with the most bang for their buck.

All I'm saying is that you wouldn't have complained about representation if Geno was number 5.

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

Lmao people out here really think Lloyd does not look like your typical anime-esque protagonist with a sword no less. Then again I cant expect much from character threads as your dealing with the most passionate people. Oh well.

Have you done anything here besides hate on Lloyd? Like people give other users grief a lot here (not getting into that) but everyone else still contributes to discussion. You just rag on one character.

 

[AugustusB]

People calling Lloyd an anime swordsman, but in actuality, he has TWO swords. Do your research, people.

SMH....

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

Look, I'm not a big fan of Lloyd (he's neutral for me, but I'd be happy to see him finally get a spot. I've known of his support for years) but I've got to a HARD disagree for that last bit of your statement there.

You're saying that this:

Looks identical to this:

Yeah, I'm afraid not.

Also your post makes the assumption that all FE characters look the same. They don't. They do thematically, for the most part, but each character is visually distinct from each other unless there's a specified reason for resemblance (a primary example is bloodline familiarity. Lucina and Chrom are Marth's descendants, hence they somewhat resemble him.)

Put them in the same art style, which Ultimate will do, and yes they look the same

 

[MissingGlitch]

All I'm saying is that you wouldn't have complained about representation if Geno was number 5.

I might have. But it's kinda hard to know for sure right now. I still might have pointed it out, but maybe not have treated it as a big deal. I dunno.

 

[StarLight42]

Wow this thread went to **** fast after Lloyd debates happened.

All i’ll say is that most people who whine “waaah anime sword man bad” probably want Isaac or Sora at the same time.