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Im pretty sure they will. We’re still missing a bunch of costumes, and I think we’ll get something capcom post-pass, so they’ll probably be dropped there. They already made all these models so theyd lose money just sitting on them.
Honestly I’m getting tired of hype police. Just let us have our fun for goodness sake. We’re on the verge of greatness and we still have people dropping in telling us to “temper our expectations”.
He is not saying "more requests will be granted", rather he is concerning about more requests coming to him. The original text isn't a vague statement by any means.
I've said it before but if Geno doesn't get in I'll be really disappointed, but I will understand that other characters simply had the priority in Nintendo's eyes. I'm certainly not so blinded by my love for Geno that I don't see the value in many other characters. I actually think I would stick around here. I think it's a good idea for us (regardless of the outcome) to band together for a thank you letter to the Smash team for this amazing game. I also wonder what kind of sway we could have on the possibility of a new SMRPG between SE and Nintendo. Like if SE is simply not on board which seems unlikely I'm really curious if we have the power to raise funds for Nintendo to buy the rights to SMRPG Content from SE. I would be totally on board with helping with and organizing some kind of fundraiser like that if it were plausible. Also, I will keep making Smash movesets and lurking in other character threads and supporting other characters I like like Rayman and Crash.What I wonder is this: What do y'all plan on doing if Geno doesn't make it?
I think I will focus on seeing if Nintendo or Square would be willing to work on a new Mario RPG, personally, one with Geno actually involved in some way. Considering how well they're getting on again, with Square even willing to make exclusives for them, I could see it happen. I also feel like fan projects would be a great way to keep Geno (and better yet, Mallow, as well!) alive.
I think he's likely to make it this time, but just in case he doesn't, I'm brainstorming what kinda stuff might happen afterward. I'm still very satisfied with Ultimate itself, given I got 3/4 of my most wanteds, of course... but I hope Geno comes back somehow, some way.
Don't forget that two of those spots are going to be claim by Byleth & a Pokemon Sword & Shield rep because Sakurai LOVES to put the newest FE Protagonist in when the game is relevant and there's an obligation to put the newest Pokemon in there. So it went from 5 down to 2 because there's no way Geno is the fifth Fighters Pass character.
Yeah this is what I suspected
I’m also hoping that we get some more Mii Costumes for characters that have a bit of a following but have a roadblock to being a complete character such as Masked Man or some of the current Assist Trophies that don’t already have them such as Krystal.
Can't tell if you're serious or not, but I do not see this happening. Fatmanonice has stated all the DLC rumored characters he heard so far a good and will likely please people
Nah, he’s more the battle mage type imo not warlock...
Well first off, just because Fatmanonice heard that the rumored characters will likely please people doesn't mean much since it can always turned out to be fake. Not saying he's spreading fake info, but in the pass month we went from "Oh Ryu, Reimu, or Crash are going going to be the fifth fighter. Many insiders are believing this. Wait, we got more info and turns out that that none of these character are making it in." Information chances up a lot, so what one insider may have heard might not be a 100% true due to how information is given out. Remember, there was a time when insiders agreed that it was Steve getting in over Banjo, and there was Star Fox Grand Prix that turned out to be a hoax.
I just need a Captain Syrup Mii costume with a Wario Land song and I'll be good.
I can understand the first point. However we can see so far that consistently, the characters that are largely talked about are all 3rd parties. What is the reason for this? The fact that consistently, every DLC fighter pass character has been 3rd party. It's true rumors can change, but this is something that's been incredibly consistent when it comes to rumored or leaked characters
I have no goddamn idea, like why own a part of Mario franchise if you can't even use it?
Nier Automata was a huge success selling over 4 million copies (1.5 million more than Super Mario RPG sold for comparison's sake) and 2B has become a modern icon in many ways, propelling the Drakengard/Nier series in the same way that Persona 5 helped Persona break out into the mainstream. It was also similarly a Game of the Year 2017 nominee that got lots of praise and attention lavished on to it for being this huge realization of Yako Taro and Platinum Games' respective brands and visions. It's home series has also run for well over a decade (similar to Persona 5) and Sakurai also spoke very highly of Nier Automata and Nier/Drakengard in particular in an old Famitsu column (http://www.sourcegaming.info/2017/03/15/thinking-outside-the-box-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-526/). Like it's kind of crazy how many similarities Nier Automata has to Persona 5, and the same forces that were propelled Joker into Smash can be seen behind 2B (Huge modern hit that redefines a genre, that Sakurai personally likes, and comes from an esteemed Japanese creator that isn't already in Smash). Not to mention, Square Enix has also already been fairly liberal with her having appearances in Soulcalibur VI and Phantasy Star Online 2.
Just because every DLC in the Fighters Pass is third party doesn't mean that future DLC won't include first party characters. We know that dicussions fpr DLC was talked about back in the beginning of 2018, but it's hard to imagine that they planned every DLC character out way before they were ready to reveal Smash Bros Ultimate. Most likely they made the initial idea of 5 DLC fighters and then in 2019 they decided to make more DLC fighters. We don't know the full details on what's happening behind close doors so there's a chance that you're right and they planned everything and decided to keep putting third party characters in (which honestly isn't a good sign for Geno because if everything was planned way in advance then those Spirits are great indicators that those characters are never getting in at this point), or maybe they wanted to test the Fighters Pass out before investing more into DLC. DLC is a different game for the base roster, but that doesn't mean they won't be putting in another Pokemon character. In Smash 4 we saw them put Corrin in, so why wouldn't they do the same for Ultimates. Plus we know that Greninja was chosen before X & Y were ready to be released, so obviously Sakurai would have knowledge of what Sword & Shield Pokemon were being made.
It's kind of the other way around. They created the characters, so of course they own them. Nintendo licensed Mario (and others) to Square to make the game. The rest came from Square, so they owned them.
It's just standard copyright stuff to be honest. It's not really all that intentional and I'm sure neither party really cared about where the original characters for the game really went at the end of the day. They were Square's creations, so they were just theirs. And I'm sure Nintendo never really thought that much about Square ditching them in the first place, let alone that these characters specifically would ever really be worth anything. And to be honest, they aren't outside of Geno and Mallow, so I'm sure Nintendo has minimal interest in ending up with the overall rights to Super Mario RPG of all things when they own tons of other characters for even just specifically Mario RPGs.
Was that part of some agreement that whatever Square creates, they own it? And how come Nomura created Sora but yet Disney owns him?
Likely part of the agreement, yes. Very standard. It also probably stated that Square can't use them without Nintendo's approval, too. Clauses like that are there so that if Nintendo wants to use the characters, they have to work together with Square. Not just forget that Square was involved. Not as a negative, more like "these are both of ours, let's work together".
So it’s more of a co-ownership situation? Would Nintendo sue Square for using the characters for something else without their permission?
Yes, and vice versa. It sounds bad, but a lawsuit like that usually isn't. "Hey, Nintendo, you forgot we own Geno and you used him in a cameo for a game without credit, can you give us some money?" "Oops, yeah sure."
2B doesnt have decades of fan support behind them. Characters that have crossed over in a fighting game rarely join another in the following years. All I can think of is Terry and he’s the king of crossovers. And both Platinum and Square have characters theyd likely put before 2B. Akira Howard, Lara Croft, Sora (disney permitting), and possibly Crono. (and if Geno if they have a heart). I dont think 2B is impossible, but I wouldnt say she’s too likely to get in. With Geno we actually have a lot of backing from insiders and a solid leak for once
It makes sense. If SMRPG was particularly successful and its characters were particularly well liked, then Nintendo would have to purchase the rights for them from Square.
But Joker & Terry did?
Of course she's likely. TnA in an amazing game = appearances everywhere. Haven't you ever been on the Internet before?
Persona has been around for awhile, SMT even longer. SNK and Terry were fighting game staples and are still around. Pure fan demand isnt everything, but it does matter with many of the choices from Ultimate. We already got two generally popular square enix characters. Its about time for a fan demanded one.
Yep 100% agree with this. Imagine seeing more iconic characters in an expressive story mode like SSE honestly I would take cuts for that. Also yeah a lot could be condensed into alt costumes or more characters like Pokemon Trainer.Yeah but see that's where the idea of a reboot keeps getting thrown around. It would provide the opportunity to totally overall everything that had previously been clung to only for it's legacy
No, 2B doesn't have a decade of fan support behind her, but she's got recency bias and a wider appeal than Geno (even though this thread likes to pretend otherwise when she gets brought up, but they did the same for Dragon Quest, so yeah...). Also, characters that appear in other crossover fighting games that don't appear in others is just kind of dumb to bring up given that these aren't really active decisions that decide which characters appear where and more specifically that Bandai Namco develops Soulcalibur and also develop Smash, so I don't think it'd even be an issue worth bringing up.
I agree with the fan demand, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon now. Plus the NieR series has been around for a while as well being a spinoff of the Drakengard series which has a thing since 2003.
Truth be told I've been tooling around with the idea of what something like this could look like in my head for a while now. Obviously I don't have time or resources to make it happen but its fun to think about. Maybe once I'm done with it I'll post it here in the next time where hit with a nasty dry spell
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a few posts before that had a list of fighters he thought had a good shot. I don't even remember who was there now lol.Same, I couldn't even remember.
Etrian Odyssey would like to have a word with you. The reason Persona games are considered SMT spinoffs is mainly because they share the same pool of demons as all SMT games, but these aspects are not actually shared across all Atlus games. Besides maybe a mascot cameo here and there, SMT/Persona demons are missing from Atlus’ non-SMT series, like the aforementioned Etrian, the Vanillaware titles, Trauma Center, Catherine, Dept. Heaven, Radiant Historia, and others.
I think Vergeben and Sabi both said Terry was coming though. Both said Ryu is not the 5th fighter. What exactly did Fatman do that makes him untrustworthy? What I remember was Sabi confronting memoryman because of his trolling at the discord. I don’t recall anything about some “leaker”.
Besides, Fatman was giving speculation based off things he's heard. He has done nothing to wrong us and his statements hold water considering the place he's in.