Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MattX20]

Given the fact that Terry's release date changed from November to coming soon back to November again, I'm fairly convinced it means that we'll see him release next week.

 

[catsforlife1]

Hey guys how everyone doing?

The thread right now https://twitter.com/BoboboOOC/status/1155134360674349057

 

[Deleted member]

Besides, Fatman was giving speculation based off things he's heard. He has done nothing to wrong us and his statements hold water considering the place he's in.

Yeah, Fatman speculates like the rest of us and not really a leaker. Sometimes I think what he has said causes confusion towards Sabi. I think he does get a peek with Sabi and insider circles though at Discord.

 

[Rohanx17]

Etrian Odyssey would like to have a word with you. The reason Persona games are considered SMT spinoffs is mainly because they share the same pool of demons as all SMT games, but these aspects are not actually shared across all Atlus games. Besides maybe a mascot cameo here and there, SMT/Persona demons are missing from Atlus’ non-SMT series, like the aforementioned Etrian, the Vanillaware titles, Trauma Center, Catherine, Dept. Heaven, Radiant Historia, and others.

They're all considered spinoffs of megaten, not SMT which is a spinoff of that too. Either way none of that has anything to do with the point I was making that joker only represents the modern half of 1 of like 9 different series that isn't SMT

 

[RingJ5]

They're all considered spinoffs of megaten, not SMT which is a spinoff of that too. Either way none of that has anything to do with the point I was making that joker only represents the modern half of 1 of like 9 different series not including SMT

...What? None of the series I just listed are considered Megaten spinoffs... well besides Catherine apparently if an in-game cameo is considered canon, but none of the others have anything to do with Megaten.

 

[Rohanx17]

...What? None of the series I just listed are considered Megaten spinoffs... well besides Catherine apparently if an in-game cameo is considered canon, but none of the others have anything to do with Megaten.

I didn't say they were, and I'm fairly sure Catherine is not yes.

 

[RingJ5]

I didn't say they were, and I'm fairly sure Catherine is not yes.

You literally just did with the “They’re all considered spinoffs of Megaten” thing.

...Oh, wait, is this a translation thing? Are you saying that you don’t consider Persona an SMT spin-off because in Japan, both Persona and SMT are technically spinoffs of Megaten, even though the series takes the SMT name internationally?

When I say SMT, I mean it in the international brand name sense.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Hello everyone. I still think Geno is going to be Fighter #76 and is going to be the first post Fighter's Pass character.

I'm so sure that Sakurai is going introduce the Additional DLC with a bang!

 

[ForsakenM]

Word of advice: don't set your hopes tooooo high on Geno, in case you all are expecting a bit of disappointment. Hype is a drug; use it responsibly.

No, 2B doesn't have a decade of fan support behind her, but she's got recency bias and a wider appeal than Geno (even though this thread likes to pretend otherwise when she gets brought up, but they did the same for Dragon Quest, so yeah...). Also, characters that appear in other crossover fighting games that don't appear in others is just kind of dumb to bring up given that these aren't really active decisions that decide which characters appear where and more specifically that Bandai Namco develops Soulcalibur and also develop Smash, so I don't think it'd even be an issue worth bringing up.

2B is hot and popular right now, so that's one reason to look to capitalize off of her. But beyond that, Drakengard/Nier is a longer running series that is beloved by a number of people and recently broke big, so that's another reason to include her. Similarly, Yako Taro is another auteur Japanese developer that speaks to the very idea of Sakurai's "representations of Japanese gaming" and one he specifically respects a great deal. Nier will continue, so Square Enix is certainly interested in seeing the brand continue, so I don't see any real argument against her. She's actually pretty damn likely when you look at it. Yeah, there are other choices, but Square Enix, Nintendo, Sakurai, and Yako Taro all gain from her inclusion. Sora's not even Square Enix's to license out, so that's really not worth bringing up. Lara Croft is an acquisition and not an originally Japanese character, which may hurt her given Sakurai's general focus on Japanese gaming in Smash. Crono is just a crazy hail mary of an idea because Chrono as a series is largely going to remain dead due to various issues and I don't think there's much to compel them to "want Crono over 2B." And Akira Howard? Astral Chain didn't immediately light up the charts based upon sales data, and we'll see what they want to do with them. They certainly don't seem to have made the same impact that 2B and Nier Automata did though.

And, no, we don't have anything from insiders. Fatman has proven to me he's not really worth listening to, Sabi burned all of her good will in the past few weeks (particularly with the whole transphobic mess and accusing another "leaker" of trolling or whatever), Vergeben doesn't seem to know anything at all (and hasn't really offered anything new since Dragon Quest), and an unidentified leak that nobody really knows the proper source of came out with a Mii costume list. There's no solid leak about **** and we're all just as in the dark. The insiders aren't actually backing much of anything right now to be honest, they're mostly just taking seemingly random shots in the dark and not vocalizing any "leaks."

*sighs*

Welp, here we go again!

Don't tell us to hype responsibly. Feel free to find some children who are unable to be consoled when they don't get what they want, but as far as I'm concerned, most of us are adults that can handle ourselves (though SOME of us here I do in fact question that).

As for 2B, she's not nearly as likely as you think.

The franchise was dead up until a random sequel that managed to have pretty decent success...but where is the series now? It's been over two years and they haven't announced anything yet. Something could be coming soon, sure, but nothing big yet. so no reason to push 2B for a new game like Hero with DQ11.

She's not nearly as popular as you think. Sure, she is VERY popular as I note seeing stuff about her without knowing who she was, but that popularity has begun to dwindle already. Also, that game released in Feb of 2017, and OTHER games that released in 2017 got 'shafted' (as some people would say) with
ATs and Mii Costumes. So her popularity is fading out and her big game released during a time in Smash development that does her no favors. I would say this would be appealed for after the Fighter's Pass, but not during it.

She's not nearly as popular as other Square characters. Lara Croft, Sephiroth, Sora and yes, even Geno are much more requested than her. You seem to think that just because a character appeals to a group that isn't the "Smash Bubble" that this somehow means that it appeals to more people and therefore carries more weight. Fun fact: the Smash fanbase is GIGANTIC~! There are a metric crap-ton of people who love Smash can consider it one of their favorite games to play. Another fun fact: Geno's surge in his chances as well as our influence as his fans has been bringing over more and more people to root for him. This is in addition to more and more folks playing the game and realizing how good it is. Geno is bigger than you give him credit for.

Now, does he have as much non-Smash fan appeal as 2B? I would say no only due to current relevancy, but on the other side of the coin 2B can't even dream to compare with Geno's pull within the Smash fanbase. He's basically the #1 Square pick by Smash fans and is only challenged for that position by Sora. Speaking of Sora, he has both more Smash pull AND more casual pull and no matter HOW you slice it, Square and Nomura still have to be involved somehow for Sora to be in Smash, so Sora would still count as a Square rep even if he would be a hybrid rep. Lara Croft is arguably around 2B's level of popularity both within and outside of the Smash circle, but even then Lara trumps 2B due to her iconic nature. You can argue that her American background could give her issues, but let's be real and look at and then tell me Western fans haven't had pull and that Western picks are impossible.

So the last comparison is Sephiroth and...I'm sure I don't have to go into that one. As much as you may hate it, it's just like Tifa where the love for FF7 and it's characters puts 2B to shame. Also, once again, outside of Terry and SNK who are the king of crossovers (and in recent times, the only crossovers they have had are Mai in DoA, Haohmaru in SC6, and Terry both in Fighting EX Layer [which is very much a smaller and unknown title] and more recently Smash) most other guest characters don't become guest characters in another big series of the same genre for a rather large period of time...or they become part of the base roster, a la and more recently . Soul Calibur really hasn't had a guest character become part of the base roster, and 2B was proudly displayed as a guest character in SC6, so I truly wouldn't put your hopes or bets on her inclusions.

Seriously, my life in this thread feels like this Spongebob meme sometimes.

Spoiler: Meme

 

[QQS]

Hello everyone. I still think Geno is going to be Fighter #76 and is going to be the first post Fighter's Pass character.

I'm so sure that Sakurai is going introduce the Additional DLC with a bang!

Makes total sense for me. If he isn’t character #75; for sure he will be character #76, cause that would implies that he is The 7th DLC, counting P.Plant of course, and also like you said, a big opening to the next wave of DLC.

I don’t think numbers are an exact thing here. I mean, Sakurai won’t warm his head about Geno being #77 as many think. If he has to be #75 or #76, he is going to be just like that.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Makes total sense for me. If he isn’t character #75; for sure he will be character #76, cause that would implies that he is The 7th DLC, counting P.Plant of course, and also like you said, a big opening to the next wave of DLC.

I don’t think numbers are an exact thing here. I mean, Sakurai won’t warm his head about Geno being #77 as many think. If he has to be #75 or #76, he is going to be just like that.

I'm just saying he'd be #76 because he'd be at the start of the DLC. I wasn't even aware he'd be the 7th DLC character lol.

 

[Rohanx17]

Sometimes I need to just sit back and take in to context that were a bunch of grown ass adults spending our days thinking and talking about seeing a wooden doll cameo in a video game.

You literally just did with the “They’re all considered spinoffs of Megaten” thing.

...Oh, wait, is this a translation thing? Are you saying that you don’t consider Persona an SMT spin-off because in Japan, both Persona and SMT are technically spinoffs of Megaten, even though the series takes the SMT name internationally?

When I say SMT, I mean it in the international brand name sense.

Yeah they did do that for something like a decade but the weird marketing gimmick of slapping the smt logo on everything they could ended several years ago, not sure when but definently between p4 and p4g. I don't really like the term megaten personally because mt basically doesn't exist as far as most people are concerned but avoiding it just causes confusion so I've relented somewhat.

 

[Franco Geno]

What would your reactions be if Mallow were DLC instead of Geno?

 

[Rohanx17]

What would your reactions be if Mallow were DLC instead of Geno?

About as demoralizing a defeat as they could probably give us.
Though I might get to watch serenade eat his copy of smash so that be good for a laugh for about 2 minutes until I remember why.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

What would your reactions be if Mallow were DLC instead of Geno?

So close, yet so far...

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

What would your reactions be if Mallow were DLC instead of Geno?

Mission accomplished...? I mean, we got better SMRPG representation in Smash, right?...

Hoo boy...

 

[Vector Victor]

I'll go with the theory that BOTH Geno and Mallow will be separate playable characters.

And where did this theory originate from? My fever dreams. So this theory is very scientific as you can see.

In fact, the next 5 characters will be Geno, Mallow, Crash, Jill Valentine and Isaac, and each will be bundled with an echo, so Dixie, Ninten, Black Shadow, Impa and Boshi.

 

[Rohanx17]

I'll go with the theory that BOTH Geno and Mallow will be separate playable characters.

And where did this theory originate from? My fever dreams. So this theory is very scientific as you can see.

In fact, the next 5 characters will be Geno, Mallow, Crash, Jill Valentine and Isaac, and each will be bundled with an echo, so Dixie, Ninten, Black Shadow, Impa and Boshi.

you know I think there might actually be something here, for some time there's been a stark disconnect between the 10 open slots and the 5 post pass fighters that keep getting backed by insiders. What if echoes really are how they plan on filling those?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Dream DLC picks:
Unique fighters: Geno, Rayman, Bandana Dee, Tetronimo, Arle, the Knight, and Reimu
Echo fighters: Shadow Dedede, Metal Sonic, Medusa, Dry Bowser, and Globox (if Rayman made it)

 

[Firox]

What would your reactions be if Mallow were DLC instead of Geno?

I'd be excited, but holy **** on a **** sandwich with **** on top, that is some SERIOUS trolling on Sakurai's part. In fact, it would feel like he was purposely slapping us in the face considering how much harder the fanbase has been screaming for Geno in comparison.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

*sighs*

Welp, here we go again!

Don't tell us to hype responsibly. Feel free to find some children who are unable to be consoled when they don't get what they want, but as far as I'm concerned, most of us are adults that can handle ourselves (though SOME of us here I do in fact question that).

As for 2B, she's not nearly as likely as you think.

The franchise was dead up until a random sequel that managed to have pretty decent success...but where is the series now? It's been over two years and they haven't announced anything yet. Something could be coming soon, sure, but nothing big yet. so no reason to push 2B for a new game like Hero with DQ11.

She's not nearly as popular as you think. Sure, she is VERY popular as I note seeing stuff about her without knowing who she was, but that popularity has begun to dwindle already. Also, that game released in Feb of 2017, and OTHER games that released in 2017 got 'shafted' (as some people would say) with
ATs and Mii Costumes. So her popularity is fading out and her big game released during a time in Smash development that does her no favors. I would say this would be appealed for after the Fighter's Pass, but not during it.

She's not nearly as popular as other Square characters. Lara Croft, Sephiroth, Sora and yes, even Geno are much more requested than her. You seem to think that just because a character appeals to a group that isn't the "Smash Bubble" that this somehow means that it appeals to more people and therefore carries more weight. Fun fact: the Smash fanbase is GIGANTIC~! There are a metric crap-ton of people who love Smash can consider it one of their favorite games to play. Another fun fact: Geno's surge in his chances as well as our influence as his fans has been bringing over more and more people to root for him. This is in addition to more and more folks playing the game and realizing how good it is. Geno is bigger than you give him credit for.

Now, does he have as much non-Smash fan appeal as 2B? I would say no only due to current relevancy, but on the other side of the coin 2B can't even dream to compare with Geno's pull within the Smash fanbase. He's basically the #1 Square pick by Smash fans and is only challenged for that position by Sora. Speaking of Sora, he has both more Smash pull AND more casual pull and no matter HOW you slice it, Square and Nomura still have to be involved somehow for Sora to be in Smash, so Sora would still count as a Square rep even if he would be a hybrid rep. Lara Croft is arguably around 2B's level of popularity both within and outside of the Smash circle, but even then Lara trumps 2B due to her iconic nature. You can argue that her American background could give her issues, but let's be real and look at and then tell me Western fans haven't had pull and that Western picks are impossible.

So the last comparison is Sephiroth and...I'm sure I don't have to go into that one. As much as you may hate it, it's just like Tifa where the love for FF7 and it's characters puts 2B to shame. Also, once again, outside of Terry and SNK who are the king of crossovers (and in recent times, the only crossovers they have had are Mai in DoA, Haohmaru in SC6, and Terry both in Fighting EX Layer [which is very much a smaller and unknown title] and more recently Smash) most other guest characters don't become guest characters in another big series of the same genre for a rather large period of time...or they become part of the base roster, a la and more recently . Soul Calibur really hasn't had a guest character become part of the base roster, and 2B was proudly displayed as a guest character in SC6, so I truly wouldn't put your hopes or bets on her inclusions.

Seriously, my life in this thread feels like this Spongebob meme sometimes.

Spoiler: Meme

I'm not saying "Hype Responsibly." I'm challenging the notion of "Geno's path is now open" because I think the notion is just fundamentally incorrect. I also think you're foolish to use your anecdotal evidence of "I didn't know 2B until Smash" as some sort of gauge of her popularity. If you're not connected to the gaming community beyond Nintendo/Smash, I guess that's fair, but Nier Automata was nominated for a ton of the awards. It won "Best Score/Music" at The Game Awards 2017 and was also nominated in the categories of "Best Narrative" and "Best Role Playing Game." IGN nominated it for "Game of the Year," "Best PS4 Game of the Year," "Best RPG," and "Best Story." Destructoid gave the game "Best PS4 Game." ETC. This game was not some niche title, it was a major player in 2017 alongside titans like Super Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, etc. Also, Nier Automata sold 4 million copies. That's better than all but 8 Switch games, so I think that deserves at least a little more credit than you seem to be giving the game.

You mention that other titles in 2017 got shafted? Not third party wise, just the Nintendo first parties that couldn't make base game and Sakurai didn't want to make DLC like Spring Man and Rex/Pyra/Mythra. Persona 5 came in 2017 and we still got Joker. Dragon Quest 11 came out in 2017 and we still got Hero with a stage based around that title. I don't think she's coming as the next one, but she's not in anyway disqualified for having a 2017 release when other fighters already in the Fighter's Pass came from later in that year. Similarly, her popularity is not fading. She had the big crossover with Soulcalibur VI at the end of last year. She and the Nier Automata world also just appeared in Final Fantasy XIV with a specific Raid for that game (a raid in any game is kind of a big deal). The game just launched last year on Xbox One, and there is a good chance that the game will end up on Switch before everything is said and done as Yako Taro and Platinum have expressed interest in a Switch port. She's remaining pretty steadily in the forefront of people's mind through her crossovers and Nier Automata's developing legacy. As for two years without a new game? Seriously? Two years? How many games go years between titles? That's a non-point and Nier/Drakengard are absolutely going to continue. They've even mentioned that a sequel is in the early planning stages, so this is a moot point.

Square Enix and Nomura have to be involved minimally to make Sora happen. He's still licensed from Disney and doesn't really operate on the same wavelength as the rest of the characters. He does have the most pull, so I actually think he's the most likely at this point of the characters we've mentioned. I just think his circumstances are too unique to put him in with the others considering how that licensing is actually set up and what it would require. You can bring up Final Fantasy VII all you want, but it's already in the game, so I don't really expect them to ever go back to that well for any real reason for Smash when there are other franchises, and more importantly, other Final Fantasy games to pull from if you do go back to Final Fantasy which would honestly make more sense in representing more of the series as people love a lot of those games beyond VII (Nothing against Sephiroth though, he'd still be a cool addition, I just don't expect any more Final Fantasy VII characters).

The "no characters that appear in other crossovers" is just another baseless claim. It's Smash Bros., they can get whoever the hell they want at this point, regardless if the character appeared in another game. And here's the thing. Square Enix would want it to happen as the license holder to continue pushing the recent and surprise success of Nier Automata, so they'd be completely willing to license her out. Then you have Bandai-Namco who did the licensing, who A. Works closely with Nintendo specifically on Smash and thus could easily reach some sort of understanding and B. Had 2B appear in the game in December 2018, and a 2B in Smash wouldn't even show up until 2020 at the earliest, so there really wouldn't be much reason to worry about competition at that point anyway. So, again there's nothing holding her back from inclusion in Smash based upon a much older Soulcalibur appearance (and that goes without mentioning how entirely different Smash is from Soulcalibur lol).

As for the Japanese comment. Again, Yako Taro is a seriously respected and well known creator in Japan with an eccentric and recognizable style. That carries some weight when Sakurai has specifically stated he wants to keep the focus on Japanese gaming in the past, and certainly might be something to consider in the Lara Croft situation where she was just an acquisition of Square Enix's as opposed to an originally developed in Japan character like 2B and Nier Automata/Drakengard as a whole. It fits pretty well into the ideology that has largely driven Smash outside of Banjo & Kazooie until this point, and she's beloved worldwide too, which is just another plus. She wouldn't just be a "Japan" pick or whatever mind you.

Yes, Geno is more popular as a request in the "Smash Bubble." That's why he'd be included in the game is to appeal to that subset of the Smash player base as I've always mentioned before. He's popular in that group and has made his name more known than it arguably ever had any right to be. But that's where he's kind of stuck. If they're appealing to the "Bubble," Geno is a clear winner with only Sora to contend with (who largely operates differently as I've said before) and he'll make it in. But there's other people to appeal to and a future Square Enix inclusion may not be specifically targeted at the "Smash Bubble" in the same way Microsoft's was (which was also directly supported by Microsoft mind you, which helped a lot in that regard).

2B just has a really damn good shot to be honest. The more I've thought about this, the more sense it makes. She's one of the few breakout, new stars of this generation, and has begun to rack up consistent guest appearances and has begun to build her own legacy, popularizing a niche series into a mainstream action RPG title with an incredibly notable visionary behind her in Yako Taro and Platinum Games' excellent realization of that dream. She earned some resounding praise from Sakurai too. I'm not saying she will "most definitely be the next Square Enix" rep by any stretch of the imagination, but she's in an excellent position to be one in all seriousness, especially being the rare female lead that also has earned/starting earning a legacy.

That's my defense of 2B and the refutation of the "clear path for Geno." 2B and Lara Croft are two stars that stand as possibilities, and they will always be a challenge too. Again, Geno's chances have improved because of the current situation, but I really cannot support any idea of him "Being the clear cut choice" at this juncture.

 

[waterhasataste]

Just because every DLC in the Fighters Pass is third party doesn't mean that future DLC won't include first party characters. We know that dicussions fpr DLC was talked about back in the beginning of 2018, but it's hard to imagine that they planned every DLC character out way before they were ready to reveal Smash Bros Ultimate. Most likely they made the initial idea of 5 DLC fighters and then in 2019 they decided to make more DLC fighters. We don't know the full details on what's happening behind close doors so there's a chance that you're right and they planned everything and decided to keep putting third party characters in (which honestly isn't a good sign for Geno because if everything was planned way in advance then those Spirits are great indicators that those characters are never getting in at this point), or maybe they wanted to test the Fighters Pass out before investing more into DLC. DLC is a different game for the base roster, but that doesn't mean they won't be putting in another Pokemon character. In Smash 4 we saw them put Corrin in, so why wouldn't they do the same for Ultimates. Plus we know that Greninja was chosen before X & Y were ready to be released, so obviously Sakurai would have knowledge of what Sword & Shield Pokemon were being made.

There's a great chance that for the next wave of DLC we're going to get a FE & Pokemon character. I might be wrong, but the timing of things makes it seem extremely likely.

I should clarify, I don't believe that they planned out every DLC from the get go. I do believe however, more DLC was always on the table and was likely already a couple months in development at minimum before the official announcement. I agree that it started with 5 and then sometime in 2019 after seeing sales and reception to the DLC, that's when they went ahead to start making more. Maybe I should've been more clear on that

Also yes Corrin, was put in Smash 4, but we should remember the fact that Sakurai had to be swayed in order to add them in and was hesitant at first because he "personally felt that having too many Fire Emblem characters was a problem".

Pokemon has been an obligation for the base game. We have no proof that suggests that extends to DLC

I'm not saying a Pokemon and FE character are impossible. Sure it could happen. But I wouldn't even consider it a lock or even that great of a chance. Like I said, all the DLC has been entirely 3rd party. I know, yes the plans could change, I get that point, but remember Nintendo's whole mindset here with why they are picking 3rd parties in the first place. They are picking 3rd parties because they want to win over fans of those characters, so they can be exposed to other Nintendo games via Smash. That's the game plan. FE and Pokemon have more than enough characters already and aren't going to win over any new audiences. Also just saying, the one character that wouldn't pull in anyone new in this current pass, was a huge fan pick. NOT a character to premote a new game.

Once again. I have extremely high doubts they are going for promotion picks this time around. Maybe one. Maybe. But definitely not 2. Timing is not a convincing evidence to me for Ultimate DLC. People had thought Rex and Springman would fit DLC because of the timing as well, and look where they ended up. And again, some people also believed a FE character would be in the first wave, but that was immediately shot down at the Game Awards. Remember that Reggie stated Joker was emblematic for the DLC fighter pass picks. We have yet to receive a DLC character to specifically promote a first party Nintendo game

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Besides, Fatman was giving speculation based off things he's heard. He has done nothing to wrong us and his statements hold water considering the place he's in.

He hasn't done anything "wrong" (I still think his "I know something that you don't but I won't tell you" commentaries are less than ideal behavior though), but it's just more of a year of seeing him come rushing in with information that leads nowhere has largely made me just not think his "information" or "specific insights" hold much water. I've seen lots of claims go nowhere with his stuff, most notably his "red carpet treatment for the character at E3" and push for the "bird picture." I just haven't really seen much compelling evidence that he knows anything special beyond being linked to Sabi, and Sabi has generally become less and less reliable in both her information and behavior, culminating in the reveal of her transphobic comments against memoryman3 (who is a pretty awful person, but that could have been handled much, much, much ****ing better).

 

[Deleted member]

He hasn't done anything "wrong" (I still think his "I know something that you don't but I won't tell you" commentaries are less than ideal behavior though), but it's just more of a year of seeing him come rushing in with information that leads nowhere has largely made me just not think his "information" or "specific insights" hold much water. I've seen lots of claims go nowhere with his stuff, most notably his "red carpet treatment for the character at E3" and push for the "bird picture." I just haven't really seen much compelling evidence that he knows anything special beyond being linked to Sabi, and Sabi has generally become less and less reliable in both her information and behavior, culminating in the reveal of her transphobic comments against memoryman3 (who is a pretty awful person, but that could have been handled much, much, much ****ing better).

How exactly is Sabi becoming less reliable with her information?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

How exactly is Sabi becoming less reliable with her information?

I mean, from the whole "Cease and Desist" thing forward, she's not revealed a ton of new stuff about Nintendo, and her Smash commentaries have been especially lacking as she only commented upon "Terry" after the SNK leak (doesn't matter if you know beforehand, not speaking up as a leaker means you have no credible backing) and then specifically the whole "Jonesy" affair that we saw where she downright insisted that "Brew" was lying. Those sorts of things push her further and further from credibility as a leaker, and she has been particularly coy and non-committal on the whole Fighter #5 thing after flip flopping who she was supporting.

 

[StarLight42]

I mean, from the whole "Cease and Desist" thing forward, she's not revealed a ton of new stuff about Nintendo, and her Smash commentaries have been especially lacking as she only commented upon "Terry" after the SNK leak (doesn't matter if you know beforehand, not speaking up as a leaker means you have no credible backing) and then specifically the whole "Jonesy" affair that we saw where she downright insisted that "Brew" was lying. Those sorts of things push her further and further from credibility as a leaker, and she has been particularly coy and non-committal on the whole Fighter #5 thing after flip flopping who she was supporting.

Yeah I completely agree, after Sabi’s Jonesy ****posting I genuinuely don’t know when to trust him now.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Passing by to say that for the people that are saying "do not get your hopes up" are not entirely wrong.

Take it from a Ridley' and K. Rool follower during the Smash 4 entire speculation era. People say that to you for a reason.

It's not ideal but it's just a way saying to keep realistic with what you hope Geno's fate will be (if you are hopeful about him that's fine). It's more about the consequences of the "following".

If we don't get any positive conclusion of any sort after speculation, don't go spreading hate, "death threats" or any kind of negativity.

Because we know what happened with Takamaru, Isaac, Waluigi, etc followers after awhile...

 

[Vector Victor]

Passing by to say that for the people that are saying "do not get your hopes up" are not entirely wrong.

Take it from a Ridley' and K. Rool follower during the Smash 4 entire speculation era. People say that to you for a reason.

It's not ideal but it's just a way saying to keep realistic with what you hope Geno's fate will be (if you are hopeful about him that's fine). It's more about the consequences of the "following".

If we don't get any positive conclusion of any sort after speculation, don't go spreading hate, "death threats" or any kind of negativity.

Because we know what happened with Takamaru, Isaac, Waluigi, etc followers after awhile...

The mindset has merit. I think people are just tired of hearing it every time not bad news pops up for Geno.

 

[Datboigeno]

Passing by to say that for the people that are saying "do not get your hopes up" are not entirely wrong.

Take it from a Ridley' and K. Rool follower during the Smash 4 entire speculation era. People say that to you for a reason.

It's not ideal but it's just a way saying to keep realistic with what you hope Geno's fate will be (if you are hopeful about him that's fine). It's more about the consequences of the "following".

If we don't get any positive conclusion of any sort after speculation, don't go spreading hate, "death threats" or any kind of negativity.

Because we know what happened with Takamaru, Isaac, Waluigi, etc followers after awhile...

No, we don't need actually the same handful of people saying the same things everytime people are even slightly optimistic, or dare I even say it, hype about Geno's chances. Like I've said before we really don't need others to be condescending or patronizing anymore than any other character support thread with a slight amount of what seems like evidence to a characters possible inclusion. Do you see these types of posts in Reimu threads or Crash Bandicoot threads? Not really. Or Erdrick threads before Hero was revealed? Not at all. People were just cool with letting people discuss and be hyped by a character.

And in terms of what's "realistic"? He has as much a realistic chance in second wave of DLC as any other highly requested third party character with no mii costume in the game. The only reality is that there's a chance he can be playable and a chance he isn't. Just like any other character.

And like why warn us off from making death threats? Does anything in this thread point to that even being something that people here would do in the slightest? And in terms of "negativity" I feel like people often conflate "I am not very hype about X character" with "X character sucks and I hate them and their fans". People are going to like and dislike things and there's no reason people can't vocalize that as long as they aren't being toxic assholes about it.

 

[Droodle]

The mindset has merit. I think people are just tired of hearing it every time not bad news pops up for Geno.

I agree with you, but there's also another popular mindset in this thread that is pretty tiring. Just because Geno has a good amount of evidence pointing towards his inclusion doesn't mean that he will be in; and if he doesn't get in, that doesn't mean that Nintendo/Sakurai hates the character. Of course it would be great if he got in, but he isn't guaranteed a spot until he is confirmed.

Isaac, Shadow, and Rex all had a good chunk of evidence going for them; but they didn't get in.

 

[valkiriforce]

People here should have an adult-to-adult relationship when talking about Smash speculation; we don't parent each other about it and if people can't control their emotions about a video game character not getting into Smash they ought to take it somewhere else because it certainly doesn't belong here. Also I'm pretty certain most people here don't honestly believe he's 100% guaranteed so the point of making said statements about hyping responsibly for the 15000th time really seems moot.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

People here should have an adult-to-adult relationship when talking about Smash speculation; we don't parent each other about it and if people can't control their emotions about a video game character not getting into Smash they ought to take it somewhere else because it certainly doesn't belong here. Also I'm pretty certain most people here don't honestly believe he's 100% guaranteed so the point of making said statements about hyping responsibly for the 15000th time really seems moot.

I'm not really sure I'm good with getting into an ...adult relationship with people in here.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Passing by to say that for the people that are saying "do not get your hopes up" are not entirely wrong.

Take it from a Ridley' and K. Rool follower during the Smash 4 entire speculation era. People say that to you for a reason.

It's not ideal but it's just a way saying to keep realistic with what you hope Geno's fate will be (if you are hopeful about him that's fine). It's more about the consequences of the "following".

If we don't get any positive conclusion of any sort after speculation, don't go spreading hate, "death threats" or any kind of negativity.

Because we know what happened with Takamaru, Isaac, Waluigi, etc followers after awhile...

Thanks but a fanbase that has continually been let down for even longer than you have doesn’t need any tips on how we should handle our speculating.

No matter what I’ll be bummed if Geno doesn’t get in so I’ll choose to spend this time being excited. Contrary to popular belief, being excited and talking about all the favorable things =\= Ignoring the fact that he might not get in

 

[catsforlife1]

seems like terrys not coming this week

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1190803203073269760

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

No offense, Eric, but personally, I don't see stuff like "best narrative of 2017" by companies like IGN as really mattering because, let's be real here, any game can get that. I'm not saying that game awards don't matter but companies like give those types of quotes to just about anything if they're paid enough. That's just me personally.

 

[CannonStreak]

seems like terrys not coming this week

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1190803203073269760

So it will last until the 17th, huh? Terry will come before then. The 17th is a Sunday.

 

[wynn728]

seems like terrys not coming this week

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1190803203073269760

Guess all that stuff was a mistake. Oh well.

 

[Vector Victor]

That's also 2 days after the next amiibo wave. Makes sense.

 

[Rohanx17]

eh I'm gonna wait and see. Feels just as likely that nintendo caught on and don't want to spoil the release window like with hero and banjo.

that said if we do end up with a late November release then there's no excuse to not show off #5. Possibly even more

 

[wynn728]

Feels like this board has a problem with 2B being more likely than Geno. 2B does seem likely at some point and it's funny how people really want downplay NieR Automata success or her popularity by saying there's more popular characters to put in. News flash, we got Joker who wasn't really thought had a chance in Hell, Hero from Dragon Quest who's series was extremely niche in America, and Terry Bogard, a character that nobody ever thought was happening.

Honestly, just about any character is likely at this point. Thinking Geno is more likely due to his demand is just fooling yourself. (do I need to make a list of all the most popular demanded character that lost out to a certain flora?) Literally anything can happen, expect for Spirits being upgraded in the Fighters Pass.